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Bigshot posted 08-27-2002 03:39 PM ET (US)
Just got back from a week in Barbados with my lovely wife Laurie. We had a great time celebrating our 5th anniversary. We went there on our honeymoon along with a few other islands in the W.I.
Saw about a 15 Whalers. Dozen? were classics and 11-18'. 1 was a 21? dauntless or whatever has dual console and another 23' outrage. The classics have had some hard use, most were commercial boats. 2 hotels by us had a 15 with a 115 Johnson(really), and a 17 with a 115' Johnson. I also saw a 17 Montauk(no wood so newer) with a 115 Johnson(99). These were all in decent shape. I saw a pre-smirk 16 with a 65 Johnson commercial that was green inside with some makeshift twart type interior but was in OK shape. A 13 sport that had more glass and marinetex on it that it looked 6" thicker with a 15 evinrude. A couple 11's with small Yamahas(probably a tender). A stock and decent shape 13(1981) with a 60hp Evinrude on it. Another smirked 17' that was ready for the BW resthome in the sky(just trashed). A 18 outrage with no rubrail but in decent shape with a Yamaha v6 on it. The Coast Guard had a 22' & a 25' outrage with twin Ficht Evinrudes(could not see HP but were v6's). A 15' painted yellow with a Evinzuki 50 4 stroke. And probably a couple more Whalers here and there. Was nice to see that they were all floating with the hard use they have seen.
All the boats down there run mainly Yamahas but many Johnson & Evinrudes(say 65-35%). Not ONE Mercury or Mariner(sorry LHG)and a couple Force engines. Did not see any Mako's, Grady's, Contenders, etc. Most small boats were either some weird brand, couple Wellcrafts, etc or Whalers. Mainly weird brand boats that look more like lifeboat skiffs with a 55 Yamaha Enduro tiller on it.
Land is VERY expensive there so most do not have garages or a place to park a boat. The Barbados Yacht club had many small boats stored there. I only saw 2 people towing behind their car. From what I saw a 9.9hp is about $3500US so a Montauk is probably about $65,000. sure glad we live in the states huh?
PSW posted 08-27-2002 08:39 PM ET (US)
Bigshot-
Just got back from fishing trip in Sitka, AK and I too saw quite a few whalers. A couple nice classic 27's with twin gamaha power. Plenty of Montauk's, one even had a diamond plate bow hatch, console, and doors (looked pretty commercial). Plenty of half submerged 13's with gamahas or omc's (rain just fills them up in the water and everyone knows a BW won't sink). Even a few Coast Guard boats for morale. No newer hull designs from the post Bob Daugherty era...interesting. Wish I could have fished off the 27, the 30 foot aluminum rides like a sea sport.
Like Barbados most the power was yamaha for some reason. I am a mercury man myself.
Caught lots of salmon. Even caught a 30 pound king on an 8 weight sage flyrod with g-loomis knuckle buster reel using 10 pound test. Even have a blood blister and flesh wound to prove it. What a blast.
PSW
Swellmonster posted 08-27-2002 11:05 PM ET (US)
In Isla Mojeres Mexico, it seemed 90% of the boats used that enduro motor.
Big, any pics to e-mail from Barbados?
Did you eat any flying fish down there?
KeysNole posted 08-28-2002 12:23 AM ET (US)
Bigshot, I was in Aruba/Curacao/Panama/Costa Rica earlier this year and noticed the same thing. I actually asked a captain about the lack of name brand fishing boats, and when you think about it, it is very simple:
Deep sea fishing is done literally 100 yards offshore due to the drastic drop off of the continental shelf. There is no need for a Contender, Mako, Grady, etc. I spent a bunch of time down there and saw old men with huge reels marlin/tuna/dolphin fishing a couple hundred yards offshore with small outboards. (If you dove the wall in Curacao like I did you would know what I mean...scary stuff). One reason Whalers might be so popular is due to the ease of purchasing them both used and in good condition. Most imports are taxed 40-60% in those countries.
I have also been to Bermuda recently and it was much of the same, although the "weekenders" in Bermuda are among the wealthiest in the world, so there were many name brand boats to be found.
Swellmonster, I also noticed many enduro motors.
jimh posted 08-28-2002 08:06 AM ET (US)
When we were in Matzatlan, Mexico, on the Pacific coast, we noticed the large fleet of outboard fishing "pangas" were almost all powered with Yamaha engines. There were a couple with Mariner outboards, but I think Mariner was just the brand name that Mercury used at one time to market engines they got from Yamaha.
It is interesting to see the market mix for outboards outside of the United States. I think that part of it stems from Yamaha having been in the overseas market for a long time, while domestic brands like Mercury have only recently begun to try to market outside of the US and Canada.
Bigshot posted 08-28-2002 09:29 AM ET (US)
I love flying fish and the blue Marlin was excellent as usual.
I dove Cozumel where the wall drops from 50' to 3000 or whatever....I know what you mean. In Barbados the island is made entirely of coral, not a volcanic island like most so there are no dropoffs like that but you will get a couple hundred feet in less than a mile off. Game fishing is pretty popular. I do have some pics but not developed yet. What a great place to go to.
Scirocco posted 08-28-2002 09:56 AM ET (US)
Little side note about all the yamaha's. i used to work for a yamaha dealership/service center in Nags Head North Carolina. Yamaha makes a ROCK SOLID outboard engine. When I started working at the shop I was a big OMC fan but after a month or so i quickly changed my tune. Yamaha engines can take the abuse and the 5 layer finishes on their housings can resist the effects of salt-water better then any other engine i've seen.
In short:
Yamaha's are a solid choice for commercial applications in salt-water environment and that's probably why you see so many of them in the islands.
Saltforbrains posted 08-28-2002 10:27 AM ET (US)
The human body needs 500-1000 milligrams of sodium per day.
It's all about parts.
Scirocco posted 08-28-2002 10:31 AM ET (US)
So what your saying is that margarita's (with salt) are part of a healthy diet??
Bigshot posted 08-28-2002 02:42 PM ET (US)
One can of tomato juice has 1050mgs(51% of daily intake) of salt so be careful how many bloody Mary's you drink:)

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Author	Topic: Whalers in Barbados.
Bigshot	posted 08-27-2002 03:39 PM ET (US) Just got back from a week in Barbados with my lovely wife Laurie. We had a great time celebrating our 5th anniversary. We went there on our honeymoon along with a few other islands in the W.I. Saw about a 15 Whalers. Dozen? were classics and 11-18'. 1 was a 21? dauntless or whatever has dual console and another 23' outrage. The classics have had some hard use, most were commercial boats. 2 hotels by us had a 15 with a 115 Johnson(really), and a 17 with a 115' Johnson. I also saw a 17 Montauk(no wood so newer) with a 115 Johnson(99). These were all in decent shape. I saw a pre-smirk 16 with a 65 Johnson commercial that was green inside with some makeshift twart type interior but was in OK shape. A 13 sport that had more glass and marinetex on it that it looked 6" thicker with a 15 evinrude. A couple 11's with small Yamahas(probably a tender). A stock and decent shape 13(1981) with a 60hp Evinrude on it. Another smirked 17' that was ready for the BW resthome in the sky(just trashed). A 18 outrage with no rubrail but in decent shape with a Yamaha v6 on it. The Coast Guard had a 22' & a 25' outrage with twin Ficht Evinrudes(could not see HP but were v6's). A 15' painted yellow with a Evinzuki 50 4 stroke. And probably a couple more Whalers here and there. Was nice to see that they were all floating with the hard use they have seen. All the boats down there run mainly Yamahas but many Johnson & Evinrudes(say 65-35%). Not ONE Mercury or Mariner(sorry LHG)and a couple Force engines. Did not see any Mako's, Grady's, Contenders, etc. Most small boats were either some weird brand, couple Wellcrafts, etc or Whalers. Mainly weird brand boats that look more like lifeboat skiffs with a 55 Yamaha Enduro tiller on it. Land is VERY expensive there so most do not have garages or a place to park a boat. The Barbados Yacht club had many small boats stored there. I only saw 2 people towing behind their car. From what I saw a 9.9hp is about $3500US so a Montauk is probably about $65,000. sure glad we live in the states huh?
PSW	posted 08-27-2002 08:39 PM ET (US) Bigshot- Just got back from fishing trip in Sitka, AK and I too saw quite a few whalers. A couple nice classic 27's with twin gamaha power. Plenty of Montauk's, one even had a diamond plate bow hatch, console, and doors (looked pretty commercial). Plenty of half submerged 13's with gamahas or omc's (rain just fills them up in the water and everyone knows a BW won't sink). Even a few Coast Guard boats for morale. No newer hull designs from the post Bob Daugherty era...interesting. Wish I could have fished off the 27, the 30 foot aluminum rides like a sea sport. Like Barbados most the power was yamaha for some reason. I am a mercury man myself. Caught lots of salmon. Even caught a 30 pound king on an 8 weight sage flyrod with g-loomis knuckle buster reel using 10 pound test. Even have a blood blister and flesh wound to prove it. What a blast. PSW
Swellmonster	posted 08-27-2002 11:05 PM ET (US) In Isla Mojeres Mexico, it seemed 90% of the boats used that enduro motor. Big, any pics to e-mail from Barbados? Did you eat any flying fish down there?
KeysNole	posted 08-28-2002 12:23 AM ET (US) Bigshot, I was in Aruba/Curacao/Panama/Costa Rica earlier this year and noticed the same thing. I actually asked a captain about the lack of name brand fishing boats, and when you think about it, it is very simple: Deep sea fishing is done literally 100 yards offshore due to the drastic drop off of the continental shelf. There is no need for a Contender, Mako, Grady, etc. I spent a bunch of time down there and saw old men with huge reels marlin/tuna/dolphin fishing a couple hundred yards offshore with small outboards. (If you dove the wall in Curacao like I did you would know what I mean...scary stuff). One reason Whalers might be so popular is due to the ease of purchasing them both used and in good condition. Most imports are taxed 40-60% in those countries. I have also been to Bermuda recently and it was much of the same, although the "weekenders" in Bermuda are among the wealthiest in the world, so there were many name brand boats to be found. Swellmonster, I also noticed many enduro motors.
jimh	posted 08-28-2002 08:06 AM ET (US) When we were in Matzatlan, Mexico, on the Pacific coast, we noticed the large fleet of outboard fishing "pangas" were almost all powered with Yamaha engines. There were a couple with Mariner outboards, but I think Mariner was just the brand name that Mercury used at one time to market engines they got from Yamaha. It is interesting to see the market mix for outboards outside of the United States. I think that part of it stems from Yamaha having been in the overseas market for a long time, while domestic brands like Mercury have only recently begun to try to market outside of the US and Canada.
Bigshot	posted 08-28-2002 09:29 AM ET (US) I love flying fish and the blue Marlin was excellent as usual. I dove Cozumel where the wall drops from 50' to 3000 or whatever....I know what you mean. In Barbados the island is made entirely of coral, not a volcanic island like most so there are no dropoffs like that but you will get a couple hundred feet in less than a mile off. Game fishing is pretty popular. I do have some pics but not developed yet. What a great place to go to.
Scirocco	posted 08-28-2002 09:56 AM ET (US) Little side note about all the yamaha's. i used to work for a yamaha dealership/service center in Nags Head North Carolina. Yamaha makes a ROCK SOLID outboard engine. When I started working at the shop I was a big OMC fan but after a month or so i quickly changed my tune. Yamaha engines can take the abuse and the 5 layer finishes on their housings can resist the effects of salt-water better then any other engine i've seen. In short: Yamaha's are a solid choice for commercial applications in salt-water environment and that's probably why you see so many of them in the islands.
Saltforbrains	posted 08-28-2002 10:27 AM ET (US) The human body needs 500-1000 milligrams of sodium per day. It's all about parts.
Scirocco	posted 08-28-2002 10:31 AM ET (US) So what your saying is that margarita's (with salt) are part of a healthy diet??
Bigshot	posted 08-28-2002 02:42 PM ET (US) One can of tomato juice has 1050mgs(51% of daily intake) of salt so be careful how many bloody Mary's you drink:)