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Opinions of Ride 1987 22-Revenge Cuddy Cabin
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| Author | Topic: Opinions of Ride 1987 22-Revenge Cuddy Cabin |
| MightyAnchovie |
posted 10-01-2002 12:26 PM ET (US)  
1987 Model: Revenge Cuddy I am looking at one right now. How does the Montauk compare? Chove |
| Drisney |
posted 10-01-2002 12:46 PM ET (US)
Apples and Oranges....those are two dramatically different boats...if you can afford the revenge go for it...Dave |
| jimh |
posted 10-01-2002 01:39 PM ET (US)
Could you possibly double check that model designation of "REVENGE CUDDY"? If the boat you are looking at is really a Revenge Cuddy it would be interesting to see a few pictures of it. Are any available? It is my impression that in 1987 most Revenge models were the Walk-Through design. A Revenge Cuddy would have the foredeck mold from the Cuddy series mated with the windshield of the Revenge series. It is probably a very rare combination. I have only heard of one other boat like this. |
| jimh |
posted 10-01-2002 01:44 PM ET (US)
Also, I would recommend when seeking opinions about particular boats that you specify the boat length and the transom. The Revenge series of boats was made in 19,20,21,22,and 25 foot hulls. The transom was available in either standard or full transom, with drive appendages of SeaDrives, Whaler Drives, Gill Brackets, or aftermarket brackets. This makes for quite a number of permutations of the hull and transom. The more information you provide with your inquiry the better the quality of the information that can be furnished to you in response. As for making comparison to a 17-foot Montauk, in many of the Revenge models you could put the Montauk in the rear cockpit of the Revenge, so there is a substantial difference in weight, length, beam, and of course, handling. |
| MightyAnchovie |
posted 10-01-2002 09:42 PM ET (US)
Here is more info. I will send you pictures since I cannot post them 22' 0" |
| JohnM |
posted 10-02-2002 12:18 AM ET (US)
I have a 1983 Revenge Cuddy which I picked up last year. At this point the only thing I am concerned about is the notched transom. I have a 175 Evinrude with 15 Johnson kicker for power and would be concerned about repowering due to weight. It is rated for 240hp but I have problems now in following seas!! |
| Drisney |
posted 10-02-2002 12:21 AM ET (US)
Chovie, The Revenge 22 is 5 feet longer approx 12-18 inches wider and that much deeper as well. The Revenge weighs more than twice as much ; therefore...the 17 will float in less water and handles very reponsively. it will get much better miles per gallon and require a lot less money to repower (if/when necesary) The Revenge on the other hand, has deeper sides, a drier ride, a softer ride, the cuddy cabin is great to get kids out of the sun/weather. Usually people have the 17 first then when they get tired of being wind burned, sun burned, wet, and pounded (coming back in after wind picks up) they buy a bigger boat such as the Revenge. I had my 17 for about 11 years before I recently purchased my Revenge V-22. I also purchased a 13 for flyfishing lakes. The 22 is a big boat more expensive to run....I really, really like it. Dave |
| MightyAnchovie |
posted 10-02-2002 12:59 AM ET (US)
Regarding the "bumpy" ride with the Montauk... Is it true that some hull designs, for the Montauk, are superior to others? If it is true, is this based on the year the Montauk was made? |
| njwhalerman |
posted 10-02-2002 06:00 AM ET (US)
I have owned both over the years and currently have a 22 revenge. This is a apple to oranges comparison. Originally I had T120's mounted and in following seas water would flow over the transom. The boat is rated for 240hp but the weight of the 120' was about 900lbs. I now run a 175 but in hind sight I would recommend a 225. For what is worth. |
| Taylor |
posted 10-02-2002 03:17 PM ET (US)
Chove - Regarding the Montauk ride and different hulls - there are three Montauk hull designs. The pre-smirk classic through 1976, the so called 'smirk' design from 1976 through last year, and the very new Montauk 170. In general the pre-smirk hull is considered to be a wetter and somehwat harsher ride, while the smirk hull is much dryer, and a little softer. The new 170 hull is really different, wider, a little longer, and much heavier. Early reports are that it does offer a much smoother ride. Dave (Drisney) is right on, the Classic Montauk is really intended for a different use than the Revenge. Its light, small, tows easiliy and yet still handes a wide range of conditions. But its really just a very compentent skiff while the Revenge is a big boat. That's why people are saying apples and oranges. |
| rsgwynn1 |
posted 10-02-2002 03:32 PM ET (US)
I have an 83 22' Revenge Cuddy and love it. Access to the bow for anchoring is the only drawback. I have a 225 Evinrude on it. I've been in 6' seas and it handled just fine. If you'd like photos, email me. |
| jimp |
posted 10-02-2002 03:34 PM ET (US)
Mighty Anchovie - If you want to compare the size of a 1990 Revenge 22 WT and a 1982 Montauk, see Cetacea page 44, the last two pictures. I currently own the Revenge, which I traded up to from the Montauk. Two different boats, two different missions. I loved the Montauk for smaller bays, calm water, ease of operation. I love the Revenge for much better ride in chop, more comfort, overnight accommodations. Both are OUTSTANDING! JimP |
| jimh |
posted 10-02-2002 11:01 PM ET (US)
I am still somewhat unsure that the boat we're talking about is really a 22-Revenge Cuddy. There is a photo of a Revenge Cuddy at http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage10.html There are many photos of Revenge Walk-Throughs,a much more commonly seen boat. |
| jimp |
posted 10-03-2002 10:54 AM ET (US)
Chove & JimH - Maybe this will help. What boat is Chove talking about? Revenge 22 Walk-Thru - 3 windshields (my boat Cetacea 44) Revenge 22 - older, 2 windshields (Russ Hubbard in Cetacea 64) Revenge 22 Cuddy - plastic wrap-around windshield - (Cetacea 10 & rsgwynn1 has one also.) Aren't theyy all pretty much the same hull? JimP |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 10-03-2002 11:59 AM ET (US)
Jim Potdevlin, You are correct. All these models share the same hull and as such the discussion of how its ride compares to a Montauk’s is not dependent on which configuration it is. But to clear up any confusion (or perhaps to add to it) here are my comments: A 22' Revenge, be it the 1980 to 1985 Revenge model like Russ Hubbard's http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage64.html or the 1985 to 1990 Revenge Walk Through like Jim Potdevlin’s http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage44.html can correctly be described as a "cuddy." Both have a small covered area in the bow with bunks to lie down on. Then there is what Whaler called the "Revenge Cuddy" which was essentially the "Outrage Cuddy" model without the center console and the addition of a plastic wrap around windshield and bulkhead mounted steering console. Now to really throw a wrench in the works, I will point out that when the "Outrage Cuddy" model was first introduced, the term “Outrage Cuddy” was used to describe both the center console model and the bulkhead console with windshield model. It appears that Whaler almost immediately decided to change the name of the latter to “Revenge Cuddy” to help avoid any confusion. The photos on Cetacea page 17 http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage17.html were initially labeled as an “Outrage Cuddy” (and still are in the Photo Log) by jimh and there was a thread where many pointed out that it should be labeled as a Revenge Cuddy as it is now. One could argue that jimh's first caption was correct as well. How’s that for confusing? |
| jimh |
posted 10-03-2002 12:06 PM ET (US)
Tom--thanks for that excellent summary of the Revenge models. The term "cuddy" is perhaps being applied as a generic term for a boat with a cuddy cabin, but as you point out, in Whaler model nomenclature a "Cuddy" designation has a specific meaning. As for the difference in the ride, the location of the helm station varies among these boats. It looks like the Revenge Cuddy would have the helm located the farthest forward. This might affect the ride characteristics slightly. I am looking forward to seeing some pictures of these Revenge Cuddy models. |
| Peter |
posted 10-03-2002 01:14 PM ET (US)
A Revenge Cuddy is currently listed for sale at www.yachtworld.com. The listing has pictures. See http://www.yachtworld.com/listing/yw_listing_detail.jsp?checked_boats=1027972¤cy=USD&units=Feet . To me, it looks like an Outrage Cuddy with a shrunken console mounted on the starboard side adjacent to the starboard cabin bulkhead (see picture 2). I find the "off-set" arrangement of the pilot seats where the port side navigator seat is a little bit forward of the helm seat a little strange. It looks like the distance between the port side bulkhead and the navigator seat is about the same as it is on my 22 Revenge WT. In my estimation, this seating akwardness probably may this model a hard sell. |
| jimh |
posted 10-03-2002 07:33 PM ET (US)
Thanks to Chove for trying to send a picture, but unfortunately it arrived in the .art format, a closed and secret format used only by AOL and for which there is no way for me to view. (One critic said the .art file format was created by AOL just to upset web developers.) Also thanks to rsgwynn for sending a shot of his Revenge Cuddy, which I will post. |
| jimh |
posted 10-04-2002 10:21 PM ET (US)
Here is a preview of a 22-Revenge Cuddy. http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/images/22RevengeCuddy640x412.jpeg |
| Andy Holmes |
posted 10-05-2002 12:14 PM ET (US)
I currently own a 17' standard, and am seriously considering upgrading to one of the mid to late 80's revenge models. I would like to hear some discussion on the difference in ride of the revenge model variants. For example, a 20' Walk Through vs. a 22'. Those are the two I am most seriously considering. By the way, this has been one of the most informative threads I have ever read on this web site. My complements to all participants. Perhaps the spirit of this thread will become contagious. |
| rsgwynn1 |
posted 10-05-2002 12:20 PM ET (US)
This was taken last April when we went up to Zavalla, TX, to look at the boat. It had been sitting under trees for a couple of years and was pretty nasty. I've done quite a bit of work on it since then, adding new Mills canvas, and hope to have more done over the off-season. Thanks, jimh, for publishing the photo. When my "restoration" is complete I'll send you more. |
| andygere |
posted 10-05-2002 03:25 PM ET (US)
Mighty Anchovy, Something to consider is how you will use the boat. I think if you plan to single hand, and launch/land from the trailer by yourself, you may want to start with a Montauk and then upgrade later on. Every time I think about trading up from my Montauk to a Revenge or Outrage 22, I consider how easy the 17 is to dock, fish from and handle solo. When flycasting in close the surf zone, I can leave it idling, and back it out from my casting deck up on the bow by just reaching over the console. It's also easy to land fish solo because of the low gunwales. I netted a 10 lb halibut by myself a few weeks ago as easily as I would a small brook trout. That said, I am also confident taking it offshore when the weather is reasonable. Most of my boating is in the open Pacific, with no shelter from wind or waves. I think the rough ride of the Montauk is overplayed, and that it has earned that reputation simply because it is usally compared with boats that are much larger in the same offshore conditions. I've yet to be in another 17 foot boat that handles as well, is as dry in a chop, and is as stable at rest. |
| rsgwynn1 |
posted 10-05-2002 08:15 PM ET (US)
andygere has a good point. Through my 16.5' Whaler Bass Boat and the 19' HydraSports, launching and loading was an easy 1-man operation. Not so with this beast, at least on the trailer I have now (keel rollers). If you're planning on fishing alone and trailering, go for the smaller boat. If you have a wife who doesn't mind being yelled at, go for the Revenge. Come to think of it, mine does mind. But I've been very careful to keep my voice down while loading. Plan on getting a bunk trailer for next year, so all should be well. |
| jimh |
posted 10-09-2002 09:42 AM ET (US)
Finally received a link from Chove to some photos of the boat, which turned out to be a 22-REVENGE W/T. This was somewhat anticipated as there is no mention of the REVENGE CUDDY model being made in 1987. The surprise was the several REVENGE CUDDY owners who surfaced in this thread. I did not realize there were so many of that model out there! I'll have to plan a Cetacea feature on them. http://www.marinesource.com/buyerslistings/xtrapics1.cfm?ListingNmb=6120026 |
| raydent99 |
posted 10-09-2002 01:04 PM ET (US)
Hey! I think I know that boat. I had a 1988 22' Revenge stolen 6 days after repowering it with a brand new Yamaha 225. I spent the next year obsessing about the loss, and keeping a sharp lookout for it. The boat in that picture was one of the ones I "investigated" with a closer look. It was sitting in the water at my marina. The owner was selling it to make way for a new Proline he had on order...he told me he'd take $9k for it. A few months later, I saw it on a consignment lot in Estero, FL. I called to ask how much, but never got a reply from the message I left. It's not on the lot in Estero any longer...so maybe that's it...in Cape Coral! Anchovie, what are they asking for it? PS--if I'm right, the boat was registered in the Midwest at one point...and the prior owner's first name was Frank. I still have his number somewhere if you want it. |
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