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dhlaw posted 10-07-2002 11:23 PM ET (US)
Well I finally got an opportunity to take out the new boat "'93 13 w/ 2001 merc 50 2s" and the bad new is I don't think I like it. Maybe the motor is too big, it porpoised alot with me alone. I think I need a larger boat, maybe a 17 Montauk. Or maybe trading into a smaller motor would help also. Any suggestions?? Anybody want to take a 13 in trade toward a larger boat?? Or take the motor in trade??
KeysNole posted 10-08-2002 12:12 AM ET (US)
About the porpoising: get a hydro-fin, or move the battery and/or gas tank up to the middle of the boat. The weight is not distributed properly. If you get one or two more people in the boat it will trim out better and you will LOVE it.
Swellmonster posted 10-08-2002 04:25 AM ET (US)
Bring it over to the Sarasota Rendezvous and we will put your issues to rest! ;)
keltonkrew posted 10-08-2002 10:02 AM ET (US)
I love my 13'. Granted I only have a Merc 35 (wish I had more). With 1 person it moves great. Start loading up and it is not as quick, but still safe and dry!. I just got mine. mid 60's hull, 1986 Merc 35 with the stingray hydrofoil.
Even though she's old and ugly, she's dry and easy to manuever, great to fish from. I would love to have a bigger boat, but this is what I have. Maybe a bigger motor would be my answer, but mine runs too good to spend any money.
lhg posted 10-08-2002 02:40 PM ET (US)
Is that a 1993 you are talking about? If so, it's the 13 Dauntless, and I understand what you are talking about.
msullivan006 posted 10-08-2002 08:02 PM ET (US)
I have classic '87 13' Whaler with a Johnson 40 and Doel Fin(?) It does take some careful trimming with only one aboard to keep it from porposing -always seems that the motor angle adjustment is just too high or too low for flat out running without feeling as if the nose is pushed too much down. I have often thought that an electric trim motor would be well worth the extra cost, but with theJ-40 having perhaps 200 hours total, I'm too cheap to dump it just for a trim motor. With a second person sitting in the middle seat, it trims right out and flies. Also with 3-4 people. I am currently running a cuppped blade Michigan prop (diminensions escape me at the moment) that has made the trim more of a problem than it was with a straight blade that was more tuned to skiing. apparently there are props that tend to be "bow up" or "bow down". The cupped blade adds to the bow downforce, and is a disservice to the 13. With a lower pitched flat blade, ski oriented prop, I seldom felt any issue with not being able to trim it right. I do make my trim problem worse with a 12+ (really 14) gallon Tempo under-seat gas tank that is under the stern seat. If this weight was under the forward seat, I think it would be great, but don't want to have all that plumbing out in sight :-( Anyway, the basic message is that you can change the charachter of the 13 greatly by changing the prop characteristics. After 10+ years of mixed open water (Boston) and quiet lake(Maine mountains) use, these classic 13's are really a great balance of capabilities, so long as you don't mind gettng wet or a hard ride in open water.
boxers posted 10-08-2002 08:45 PM ET (US)
dhlaw,
I have a 98 anniversary special with a Honda 40. Lots of problems early on with trim and it porpoised severly.
Add one doel-fin and it runs like a champ. Even with 5-6 persons it trims out.
One question: the boat is rated for 40HP and your looking at one with 50HP isn't that a liability if an accident were to occure?
credditt posted 10-16-2002 09:50 PM ET (US)
lhg,
To my knowledge, the Dauntless 13 wasn't introduced until 1995. The 1995 hull porposes and chinewalks badly with 50 hp. (At least with my 3 cylinder 50). In 1996 they changed the hull design slightly (I think they called it Accutrack?). I'm not sure if that cured the porposing or not.
The '95 Dauntless 13 wasn't the most stable of vessels above 35 mph or so. To it's credit, the Daunless 13 is a great "rough water" 13 footer, if there ever was such a boat.
Christian
Wreckdiver posted 10-18-2002 05:34 AM ET (US)
I had a 95 Dauntless 13 (the first year for this model) with the old 40HP Mercury four cylinder engine. At 177 pounds it was about 30 pounds lighter than the 50 HP three cylinder engine. The boat didn’t have much lift aft, so I used a Doel-Fin to help get it on plane. I think it reduced porposing by keeping the aft und up.
The boat really worked well in the rough water that I often run in. I was running between 20 and 30 MPH most of the time. I could top out at 36 MPH with the boat light. At that speed, most of the hull was out of the water.
Bob
thebone12 posted 10-18-2002 09:41 AM ET (US)
You say new whaler, But my 2002 13 ft does not porpose one bit with any load, It has the 40 mercury 4 stroke efi and is amazing!

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Author	Topic: First ride in "new" 13
dhlaw	posted 10-07-2002 11:23 PM ET (US) Well I finally got an opportunity to take out the new boat "'93 13 w/ 2001 merc 50 2s" and the bad new is I don't think I like it. Maybe the motor is too big, it porpoised alot with me alone. I think I need a larger boat, maybe a 17 Montauk. Or maybe trading into a smaller motor would help also. Any suggestions?? Anybody want to take a 13 in trade toward a larger boat?? Or take the motor in trade??
KeysNole	posted 10-08-2002 12:12 AM ET (US) About the porpoising: get a hydro-fin, or move the battery and/or gas tank up to the middle of the boat. The weight is not distributed properly. If you get one or two more people in the boat it will trim out better and you will LOVE it.
Swellmonster	posted 10-08-2002 04:25 AM ET (US) Bring it over to the Sarasota Rendezvous and we will put your issues to rest! ;)
keltonkrew	posted 10-08-2002 10:02 AM ET (US) I love my 13'. Granted I only have a Merc 35 (wish I had more). With 1 person it moves great. Start loading up and it is not as quick, but still safe and dry!. I just got mine. mid 60's hull, 1986 Merc 35 with the stingray hydrofoil. Even though she's old and ugly, she's dry and easy to manuever, great to fish from. I would love to have a bigger boat, but this is what I have. Maybe a bigger motor would be my answer, but mine runs too good to spend any money.
lhg	posted 10-08-2002 02:40 PM ET (US) Is that a 1993 you are talking about? If so, it's the 13 Dauntless, and I understand what you are talking about.
msullivan006	posted 10-08-2002 08:02 PM ET (US) I have classic '87 13' Whaler with a Johnson 40 and Doel Fin(?) It does take some careful trimming with only one aboard to keep it from porposing -always seems that the motor angle adjustment is just too high or too low for flat out running without feeling as if the nose is pushed too much down. I have often thought that an electric trim motor would be well worth the extra cost, but with theJ-40 having perhaps 200 hours total, I'm too cheap to dump it just for a trim motor. With a second person sitting in the middle seat, it trims right out and flies. Also with 3-4 people. I am currently running a cuppped blade Michigan prop (diminensions escape me at the moment) that has made the trim more of a problem than it was with a straight blade that was more tuned to skiing. apparently there are props that tend to be "bow up" or "bow down". The cupped blade adds to the bow downforce, and is a disservice to the 13. With a lower pitched flat blade, ski oriented prop, I seldom felt any issue with not being able to trim it right. I do make my trim problem worse with a 12+ (really 14) gallon Tempo under-seat gas tank that is under the stern seat. If this weight was under the forward seat, I think it would be great, but don't want to have all that plumbing out in sight :-( Anyway, the basic message is that you can change the charachter of the 13 greatly by changing the prop characteristics. After 10+ years of mixed open water (Boston) and quiet lake(Maine mountains) use, these classic 13's are really a great balance of capabilities, so long as you don't mind gettng wet or a hard ride in open water.
boxers	posted 10-08-2002 08:45 PM ET (US) dhlaw, I have a 98 anniversary special with a Honda 40. Lots of problems early on with trim and it porpoised severly. Add one doel-fin and it runs like a champ. Even with 5-6 persons it trims out. One question: the boat is rated for 40HP and your looking at one with 50HP isn't that a liability if an accident were to occure?
credditt	posted 10-16-2002 09:50 PM ET (US) lhg, To my knowledge, the Dauntless 13 wasn't introduced until 1995. The 1995 hull porposes and chinewalks badly with 50 hp. (At least with my 3 cylinder 50). In 1996 they changed the hull design slightly (I think they called it Accutrack?). I'm not sure if that cured the porposing or not. The '95 Dauntless 13 wasn't the most stable of vessels above 35 mph or so. To it's credit, the Daunless 13 is a great "rough water" 13 footer, if there ever was such a boat. Christian
Wreckdiver	posted 10-18-2002 05:34 AM ET (US) I had a 95 Dauntless 13 (the first year for this model) with the old 40HP Mercury four cylinder engine. At 177 pounds it was about 30 pounds lighter than the 50 HP three cylinder engine. The boat didn’t have much lift aft, so I used a Doel-Fin to help get it on plane. I think it reduced porposing by keeping the aft und up. The boat really worked well in the rough water that I often run in. I was running between 20 and 30 MPH most of the time. I could top out at 36 MPH with the boat light. At that speed, most of the hull was out of the water. Bob
thebone12	posted 10-18-2002 09:41 AM ET (US) You say new whaler, But my 2002 13 ft does not porpose one bit with any load, It has the 40 mercury 4 stroke efi and is amazing!