posted 10-16-2002 02:38 PM ET (US)        

Are we going to let a few malcontents ruin this site?

I sell hell no I won't go! Just like I did after I had #286 in the "71 draft:)

Let's get this train back on the tracks.

posted 10-16-2002 05:22 PM ET (US)            

No, it was not my brain.

It's the drugs I'm on remind me of the early 70's :)))).

Both Whalers are waiting for me in there nice warm garage.

I think another trip to FLA. is what the Dr. ordered. Do you think the IRS will like that RX?

posted 10-16-2002 05:28 PM ET (US)            

It had nothing to do with "balls" it had to do with brains.

posted 10-16-2002 05:30 PM ET (US)            

If you would like to take this issue up with me personally, my emaill adress (and my name) is in my profile. I really enjoy having a battle of wits with someone who doesn't have any ammo.

Sincerely,

posted 10-16-2002 05:52 PM ET (US)            

don't ask me why,
Yipee, we are all gonna die

You have no clue do you Greg?

posted 10-16-2002 05:53 PM ET (US)            

Let me give you a little advice,

posted 10-16-2002 06:00 PM ET (US)            

12345,
I also do not like people like you. Have any of your posts had anythink to do with whaler's? YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE LEAVE.I bet you doin't even own a whaler.

Althow I do not like draft doders we all have our own point of veiw and you should keep your's to yourself.

posted 10-16-2002 06:06 PM ET (US)            

I agree with 11 Footer. None of his comments have been directed at whalers, but attacks at others. Could this be a mole?

posted 10-16-2002 06:23 PM ET (US)            

I was lucky, I had a high # and did not and would not dodge the draft. I too, lost buddies, we all did back then.

Perhaps you, and 12345 can explain to my wife and kids why I cry and can't stop, when we go to DC and visit THE WALL.

posted 10-16-2002 06:36 PM ET (US)            

I don't thing 12345 was referring to 11 footer as he had not yet posted on this topic. I think he was referring to you since it came right after your post. Why would he crap on 11 Footer when he hadn't yet posted here, unless it is just another attack on him stemming from other posts that he has attacked 11 Footer.

posted 10-16-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)            

Reading your posts took up 12 seconds of time in my life which I will never get back. Where can I send the bill?

JFM - way to let the S*** roll off your back.

Who cares about draft dodgers, etc... True patriots don't need a draft to serve their country - they volunteer...and to those who accepted the call when the draft did come - God bless you and thank you. If you decided to be a concientious objector...well, that's your right...and is the reason that people fight and die for this country - to give you that right - as long as you're at least thankful for the fact that others are willing to fight in your stead, I don't have any qualms with your stance.

Oh...in case anyone is wondering...I proudly volunteered...how about you 12345? The fact that you lack any discipline at all in your posts leads me to think that you have not and will not. Who's the bigger pussy? The one who stands up for what he believes in, even if it's not popular - and even against the law, or the person who sits on the sidelines and criticizes others for their beliefs and opinions?

Think well on it, and leave Jay alone.

posted 10-16-2002 07:24 PM ET (US)            

I'm sorry you don't understand the meaning of my post. I make reference to the post that I won't go away from here to be dragged into something I don't want to be (like your attack on me in this thread).

I won't let people like you ruin this site as long as I'm around to defend it.

After 31 years, that puts you in Nam, were you there? If so, you have my deepest and sincere apologies if I offended you in any way.

If not please go away. Or come out from where you are hiding with a real name and join in some Whaler Fun.

posted 10-16-2002 07:29 PM ET (US)            

11

posted 10-16-2002 07:34 PM ET (US)         

P. S.

posted 10-16-2002 07:56 PM ET (US)            

I missed Nam only because of my age. The war started when I was in kindergarten and ended my sophomore year in high school. Being from a blue collar neighborhood my friends and I grew up assuming that when we were 19 we would all be going to Vietnam.

Since we couldn't afford college (and the student deferrment was lifted any way when I was entering high school), we did not have access to high powered legal representation, our senators did not have a clue who we were (did not get the 18 year old vote until the war was lost), and were not a part of the priveleged class, we spent our time planning a road trip that would last until we received our draft notices.

My family all worked construction over there for the entire war. I learned from them what a waste it was, how much money the corporations were pulling in and that we really shouldn't have been there in the first place. When my aunts, uncles and grandfather would blow back into the States (after the mandatory 18 months out so they would not have to pay taxes) the arguments in my parent's kitchen were ferocious. My dad took the approach that we were fighting for freedom and would win. His family argued that we weren't in it to win and that we would eventually leave defeated. You all know how it played out.

I really respect and appreciate the men and women who went when the country called. But I also admire, somewhat, those who stood up to their belief that it was an unjust war. History will prove them right.

The real tragedy of all of this is that we even have "The Wall".

I am Vietnam era draft (I was required to register in 1975)and when the government eliminated the draft, I burned my draft card. And I did it as a symbol that I would never allow my government to dictate the battles I will fight. I burned it in honor of the guys I knew who came back screwed up because they never knew exactly what they were fighting for. I burned it in honor of those who served and paid the price that allowed me the freedom to do this.

But most of all, I burned it because I was a stupid 19 year old kid.

Give it a rest 12345.

posted 10-17-2002 07:07 AM ET (US)            

1) We were fighting to stop the worldwide spread of Communism.

2) We lost the war.

3) 35 years later, none of this seems to have made any difference one way or the other.

posted 10-17-2002 08:20 AM ET (US)            

Every time someone posts one of these inflammatory posts, we can vent our frustration by posting the following.

"No Comment"

posted 10-17-2002 10:03 AM ET (US)            

The fact that we all own Whalers is what brought us together on this site. The fact that we all own Whalers means we are above the curve regarding our level of intelligence as it implies we did the homework before we decided on purchasing the toughest, safest boat on the water, (as well as being able to earn enough to afford one). The fact that we are above the curve r.e. our level of intelligence means that we each place a high value on the importance of our individual opinions. So, because we place such a high value on the importance of our individual opinions we just can't refrain from putting our .02 in when we see an opinion that challenges our own.

posted 10-17-2002 10:34 AM ET (US)            

Well then......no comment!

Actually....I think all the wars since the Japanese bombed us have been senseless and strictly political or economic. What are we doing now? All about money and watching our Real estate interests. When 9/11 happened I saw patriotism that I have never experienced but I bet was similar to WWII. In a year we have forgotten.....what a shame.

posted 10-17-2002 02:41 PM ET (US)            

lmao....never fail to come up with the icing.

posted 10-17-2002 03:15 PM ET (US)            

I'm not saying we SHOULD have been there, but I don't think it's as simplistic as some peaceniks make it out to be. What if the U.S. had been isolationist after WWII and made no effort to slow the rapid spread of communism? Would it have matterred? I don't know & I doubt anyone else does either. But we all saw what happenned when Europe & the U.S. did nothing militarily to stop the rise of Hitler until Germany was a military juggernaut, taking over Europe & building concentration camps. We've seen what happens by ignoring the fighting between ethnic groups in Africa who kill hundreds of thousands in ethnic cleansing. We've seen what happens by not risking money & lives to break up Al Qaeda until after 9/11 occurs. Knowing when, and when not to act against evil in this world is not an easy answer to come by for anyone.

posted 10-18-2002 02:45 AM ET (US)            

God bless your father and his brothers in arms. They are part of the heritage that helps make us the free society that we are.

I wish your father could have ridden in your Whaler. I find myself wishing mine could ride in my Whaler. But they are no longer with us, but thay had the wisdom to dispense the knowledge that Whalers are the boats we should have and nothing can substituted for them.

I regret that some on this Forum feel the need to judge those that did not serve in Vietnam, whether by luck of the draw or by contientious objection to the action.

I stand to, for those that served and make these judgements, but for those that didn't serve and make these judgments, keep it to yourselves, you had nothing preventing you from joining and doing what may have been asked of you.

Badfish

posted 10-20-2002 09:45 PM ET (US)            

And it’s 5 6 7
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we’re all going to die.