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David Jenkins posted 10-26-2002 12:21 PM ET (US)   Profile for David Jenkins   Send Email to David Jenkins  
I need to trailer two 9' Boston Whaler Squalls to Durham, NC. One is in San Antonio, TX and the other is in Jackson, MS. Assuming I figure out how to get the one on Texas to Jackson, the question is, how do I trailer them both 800 miles to Durham?

If I could figure out how to do the wiring and attach a hitch to the back of the first trailer, could I legally pull two trailers down the interstate at 65 mph?

That sounds like a ridiculous idea--I was just trying to consider all of the options.

Since I would eventually like to find a trailer that could accomodate both boats, maybe I should find/make the right trailer now and then go get the boats. I think that they might be too wide to put them side-by-side, as in a double PWC trailer. (But maybe not?) I was thinking that they might go on a 20' trailer, one in front of the other. Maybe?

Or maybe someone knows someone who has a trailer hitch on their car and would be willing to pull one of the boats to NC if I paid for their fuel?

Thanks for any and all ideas!

keltonkrew posted 10-26-2002 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for keltonkrew  Send Email to keltonkrew     
I'm going to be towing my travel trailer and boat. I'm having a 2" receiver hitch welded to my trailer.

Here is a link for towing laws: http://www.rvadvice.com/rvtowlaw.html

In Texas, OK, Kansas, etc you can triple tow if your entire rig in less than 65 feet. I wouldn't tow at 65mph. Lights are easy to wire up. After looking at the site, you CANNOT triple tow (2 trailers) in South Carolina or North Carolina. See if you can put them on a 20' flatbed trailer, or build you double bunk trailer (1 on top of the other). side by side would be too wide.

Hobie1981 posted 10-26-2002 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hobie1981  Send Email to Hobie1981     
David: How much do those bad boys weigh. We used to piggy back our Hobie 18 with another couple's 18, when we were going to races some distance from home. Had a heavy duty trailer so it was no problem. You might be able to piggy back the squalls if they don't weigh too much and you have a trailer to handle the load.

Just a thought..

Hobie

thebone12 posted 10-26-2002 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for thebone12  Send Email to thebone12     
Someone said before to use a dual side by side jet ski trailor and I think that is the best bet. They can be bought new for under a 1000.00
Jerry Townsend posted 10-26-2002 03:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
As others have pointed out, a double tow is not legal in every state.

But, aside from that potential problem, a boat trailer is not designed to tow another trailer. Therefore, the frame of the towing trailer would have to be modified for the additional load. ----- Jerry/Idaho

Buckda posted 10-26-2002 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
adding to the options...how about on their sides next to each other? You could rig a trailer so they sit this way (l l) instead of this way (- -).

Does that make sense? Would the dingy handle that kind of load? The other option I like best is double stacked (=) because you can have one upright, and the other on top upside down.

In my opinion, doubletowing is risky..seems like a recipe for disaster unless you're prepared adequately.

What's the tow vehicle? Can a 9' Squall fit in the back of a long-bed full size pickup? Perhaps you can leave the trailer behind and pick up a new one for the boat when you get there?

Throwing out options here.

jimh posted 10-26-2002 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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jimh posted 10-26-2002 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Last week we were passed on the Ohio Turnpike by a semi-trailer/tractor rig hauling THREE TRAILERS! I think it was a UPS truck. Apparently on the Ohio Turnpike such triple trailer rigs are legal.
Eagleman posted 10-26-2002 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eagleman  Send Email to Eagleman     
David Jenkins,
Id take a full size 3/4 ton pickup and leave the tailgate down. Take the axles and fenders off the trailers and load all the trailer stuff flat in the bed of the truck. Then load the two squalls on top of the trailers and tie them down and drive home pulling nothing. Pad everything well and it would be fine.
Eagleman
David Jenkins posted 10-26-2002 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
Excellent suggestions--thanks. I own four station wagons, all with big V-8 engines (2 pair of identical wagons, actually:) I think that they would handle the load as I have pulled a 23' Glastron easily with all of these cars. However, I am a little frightened about the idea of attaching one trailer to another trailer, so I'm thinking that I will not try that idea.

I now think that the Boston Whaler Squall would be too wide to trailer side-by-side. Does anyone know the beam of that boat (1969 model)?

I am not sure what the expression "piggy back" means. I like the idea of using one long trailer and putting one boat behind the other. I'm reluctant to turn them on their side for trailering. It seems to me that this would make my time at the boat launch a big headache and people would be starting mean threads about me.

After reading these ideas, it seems to me that the ideal thing would be to buy a one-way Southwest ticket from RDU to San Antonio, then rent a flat-bed truck with a "one-way drop off" provision, pull the Texas boat to Jackson, then put the Jackson boat and its trailer on the truck and head for Durham. However, I don't know if rent-a-car agencies rent trucks or allow you to use the vehicle to tow a trailer. Could you really fit a 9' Squall and its trailer in the back of a pickup truck?

Maybe I could find a University of Texas student who will be driving to NC for Thanksgiving and I could pay his travel expenses if he will trailer the boat to Durham for me. Then I only have to go 1600 miles round trip from Durham to Jackson.

jimp posted 10-26-2002 08:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
DAVID -

I just measured my '68 Squall in the garage, got 50-1/2". Printed BW info says 4'4".

Piggy-back means putting one Squall on its trailer, then building some keel chocks (2x4s, or 4x6s) padding the seats of the bottom Squall, placing the chocks on the padding, setting the second Squall upright in the chocks inside the bottom Squall, then strap them down to the trailer. I made chocks for my Squall with 4x6s in about 15 minutes (I had the wood handy). Piggy backing boats is commonly done with Hobies as Hobie1981 pointed out.

The Squall only weighs 125 pounds (except mine which is waterlogged & drying out, already lost 40 pounds and down to... 440 lbs). Getting to the launch ramp and unloading will require you to find a few volunteers to help lift the upper one off, otherwise, just back down the ramp and launch both... They might roll, one might capsize, but guess what? They won't sink!

How many trailers do you presently have? One or two? If one, its a piece of cake. If two, strap the second to the top of your roof rack on the station wagon. Obvoiusly not perfect. But I like it better than a tandem trailer.

A longer single trailer would work fine also.

U-Haul trucks let you trailer, but that could be expensive with a drop off charge and a plane ticket.

Looks like a fun challenge. In 1984 I put a 18.5' rowing shell on top of my 14' Subaru and drove it from New Orleans to Ft Lauderdale.

JimP

Hobie1981 posted 10-26-2002 09:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hobie1981  Send Email to Hobie1981     
Dave: Check with Hertz or Budget Rental folks. When I used to sub-contract for USGS, I used to rent from H/B all the time. Vans, pick-ups etc are available. Used to haul all sorts of equipment around the country. Can't remember if I informed them that I'd be towing :-).

Hobie

JBCornwell posted 10-26-2002 09:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Ahoy, David.

I have seen double decker arrangements with two boats. The top one appeared to be on a frame that lowered after the lower "deck" was empty. It was clearly a special trailer, made to handle two bass boats, but was towing rather nicely behind a F250 4x4.

Red sky at night. . .
JB
JB

Bigshot posted 10-28-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
David....

Put the one on your roof and the other on the trailer. My parents brought ours home on the roof of a Chevette. We are only talking 125lbs here. The other might even fit inside the wagon.

If not on the roof, just stick one inside each other .

Last resort would be 2 on 1 20' trailer which would eb fine too but take longer to engineer. When I had my 24' Baja shipped to Fl he had a 17' Montauk on the trailer as well. Don't know how but he did.

In the days we could fit 3 4 wheelers in the back of a pickup.....I think we can get 2 9' 125lb boats to NC.

David Jenkins posted 10-28-2002 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
Thanks, Bigshot. I like your philosophy: be resourceful and keep it simple. After I get the boats home, I will research buying/making a 20' trailer that will accomodate both boats, one behind the other.
triblet posted 10-28-2002 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
David, plesae post a picture showing how you
get them home.

Chuck

Chap posted 10-28-2002 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Hello,
The roof works for Optis with no trouble so I would imagine a Squall is no problem.

Seitech products are used around here as well for multiple boats.

www.seitech.com/m/_general/cat_dept_2.asp

Thanks
Chap

Swellmonster posted 10-28-2002 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Just rent the big u-haul truck, put them both inside, tow your vehicle behind the u-haul truck.
andygere posted 10-28-2002 01:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Rent a flatbed trailer, the type used for moving cars or construction equipment, and put both trailers on it, one in backwards, one forwards so the tounges face each other. Alternatively, put one squall on the roof as Bigshot suggests, and then stack both boat trailers and one boat on the flatbed trailer. Final idea: fly out and rent a large enough U-Haul or Hertz van to load both boats and trailers inside.
RMS posted 10-28-2002 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for RMS  Send Email to RMS     
David, The wagon should be able to hold one Squall inside. That's how I used to transport a Sunflower back in the day. Put the other on the roof. Good luck. Bob
bluewater posted 10-28-2002 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewater  Send Email to bluewater     
David- Do you plan on keeping the trailers?
Bigshot posted 10-28-2002 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
One last thing.....we are talking about $1800 worth of boats, no need to spend $1000 to transport them. If I could get both on 1 trailer or better yet, both on/in the car, would make it feasible. I put 2 jetskis on the rear sun hatch of my 21 Scarab once due to engine(s) failure and they weighed over 300lbs each and were about 7+' long. Getting that squall on the roof is NOTHING!
Minke posted 10-28-2002 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Minke  Send Email to Minke     
David,

I put my squall in the back of my Commanche pickup (7' bed) with the tailgate off, and there is still room enough to attach the trailer and tow the montauk behind.
I agree with Bigshot, keep it simple, it would be very easy to arrange one squall on top of another with a little padding.

Good Luck!

hauptjm posted 10-28-2002 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Only two options:

One on the roof and one on the trailer (the easiest)

or, One on the trailer prone, and the other upside down placed gunnel to gunnel using simple 2x4s and some carpet, then lashed down.

JohnAz posted 10-28-2002 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
make a wood frame on one boat and put the other boat up-side down on the first boat on the trailer,,no problem
Capt_Tidy posted 10-28-2002 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Capt_Tidy  Send Email to Capt_Tidy     
My dad did the "road train" between Ontario and the Baja for years pulling his fishing boat behind the house trailer... never a question from authority.... but he poked along at 55.

The 9 footers are pretty light... why not go for the tandem if legal.

Aside: I hitched in Australia a long time ago... in my wondering around days. With a local gal from Perth, I spent the better part of four days in a little bar in West Kalgoorlie waiting for a ride up north to the Northern Territory. We finally got a ride on a road train... oversized tractor pulling SIX 45 foot trailers hauling supplies north and ore south! It was pretty slick... 150 tons of truck at 75 mph on washboard. The driver worked his butt off and manhandled that rig hour after hour. He also talked endlessly on the radio to figure out who was where... cause we weren't stopping! He had a very very loud air horn. Kangaroos (road rats) are pretty dumb... or have bad hearing. We hit quite a few.

The only time I was nervous was when the driver had to pee (about his ever 6th pint versus my 3) since we didn't stop... we never stopped! And all this worry about driving with a cell phones in the US.

David Jenkins posted 10-28-2002 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
I'm tempted to pull them tandem except it is apparently illegal in SC and NC, and I worry about the strength of the trailer that will be closest to the car as it was not designed to pull another trailer. Plus I don't know how I would attach a trailer hitch to the first trailer.

The original owners of these Squalls kept them in great shape and I do not want to risk putting any scratches in them, but if one of the boats could be flipped and placed upside down on the other, with 2x4s in between, that sounds pretty darn good. I imagine that I could put the second trailer on the top of my car. Maybe.

I may eventually get a 20' trailer that both boats could go on but even if I do, I would prefer to keep the little trailers for the future owner (in 5-10 years). On the other hand, my wife does not know that I have bought these boats, and she is not going to like the idea of having extra trailers in our driveway that I will not use until I sell the boat. So the future of those little trailers is uncertain.

Instead of getting a custom-made 20' trailer, I'm thinking about andygere's idea of using a flatbed trailer. If I could find a good one second-hand, I could permanently keep the little trailers on it, and pull it when we go camping.

Or I could get rid of one small trailer and permanently keep the boats on the other small trailer, with the top Squall upside down (resting on 2x4s). Gosh, these are all excellent ideas. Thanks!

JohnAz posted 10-29-2002 06:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz     
Wrap the 2x4's with some scrap carpet,,,just like trailer bunks,,,
Capt_Tidy posted 10-29-2002 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Capt_Tidy  Send Email to Capt_Tidy     
I would think about the weight of two boats on those little tires and suspension... maybe better to put them in the back of truck and simply stack the trailers for towing.
nevada posted 10-30-2002 01:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for nevada  Send Email to nevada     
Take Two Station wagons and a FRIEND!!!! Buy him a beer and forget about the rest of this BS!!!!!
David Jenkins posted 10-30-2002 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
From Durham to San Antonio and back is 2400 miles. It would have to be a really good beer....

I like the idea of using the best trailer to carry both boats, one flipped on top of the other with some sort of padded brace between them. That setup could be a permanent solution, not just a temporary one.

David Jenkins posted 11-13-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
I actually travelled 3100 miles in five days. Whew! Good to be home. I did 1000 miles the first day. Visited some friends and family along the way. And took a sail on one of the Squalls!

I ended up leaving one of the boats in Jackson, MS--I will get it later. Pulling the boats in tandem proved to be impossible, even if legal. With the wagon, it was just over 50' in length and I spend too much time going through McDonalds drive throughs to be pulling that rig. Stacking them one on top of the other might have worked but the boats have a curve in the top of their gunnels so it would have required a custom-made brace to make it road safe, and I did not have the time (or talent) to design it. Plus the boats stacked are much higher than I had anticipated. I could have tied it to the top of the car, but I was driving a long way at 75 mph with an 8-year-old as my co-pilot and I was not sure that I could safely tie it without running some ropes through the inside of the car. Too much hassel for a long, multi-day road trip. I looked at buying a flat-bed utility trailer but these little trailers are almost 18' long and so I would have had to buy a big, double-axle utility trailer, which was going to cost over $1000 new. Even then, it would have been a tight fit, with the small boat trailers oriented in opposite directions (to reduce the required width).

For a long term solution, I am going back to the idea of buying a 20' trailer and modifying it so that the boats can sit one in front of the other. Still working on that idea....

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