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Rick U posted 01-20-2003 11:11 PM ET (US)
This is my first post. I just found this forum yesterday and can’t believe how much valuable information is here. I have a 1986 27’ Revenge and have decided to refurbish and re-power her. I am considering the Yamaha 200hp HPDI’s or the Honda or Yamaha 4 strokes. Availability, price, and warranty will all be a factor. I am the original owner and was not aware so many consider this a classic. I’m not alone! Anyway the fuel tank has some pitting. The boat has always been in the water and will continue to be. I think I better consider replacing the fuel tank but how much work is involved? That year they offered the full cabin, the whaler cabin and the CC. Mine is the whaler cabin. Are the factory tanks still available? I think it’s 175 gallons. After reading so many posts here I will be mindful to stay original (to an extent). The motors and controls and gauges will hit the savings account pretty hard but I know there will be other things I will want done. Where do I start?
Tom W Clark posted 01-20-2003 11:32 PM ET (US)
Rick,
Welcome to the FORUM. You have found the right place for answers to your Whaler questions. I cannot speak to your 27 with any personal experience, but I can make a few comments which may or may not be of any value.
Your boat is not a 27' Revenge. What you have is a Whaler 27 as opposed to a Whaler 27 Full Cabin or a Whaler 27 Center Console Cuddy or even a Whaler 27 Walkaround or 27 Offshore if it were few years newer.
I suspect the fuel tanks can be still had from Florida Marine Tanks http://www.floridamarinetanks.com/ . They were the OEM of the aluminum tanks Whaler used in the 1980's. Replacement of the fuel tank sounds like a pretty big (but doable) job.
Use the site's search engine http://continuouswave.com/htdig/ to research the topic of fuel tank replacement and whatever other subject you might want to know more about. There is an awful lot of material in the archives.
Rick U posted 01-21-2003 12:06 AM ET (US)
You are the first person outside of the dealership to know that it was a Whaler 27. I stopped calling it that years ago when everyone used to ask me, “which one”? My reply was Whaler 27 and they would get that stumped look on their faces. I went to the boat show in San Diego last week and was talking to a local Whaler dealer so I thought it would be okay to call it a Whaler 27. She got that look, corrected me and said it was a Revenge. Anyway, great site!
lhg posted 01-21-2003 04:54 PM ET (US)
With a boat that size, I would think you'd get more longevity out of a pair of anybody's 225's rather than the 200's. If you do go with 200's, find a brand that has them on their 225 block size. The Yamaha 200 hpdi is not a good choice in this respect, nor the Merc or Yamaha 200 EFI's. Yamaha 200 4-strokes are, as are the Merc 200 Optimax or 200 HP Bombardier Ficht. The larger displacement makes these engines a better buy, with better relative power.
Your biggest bang for the buck is a pair of Merc 3 liter 225 EFI's. Nothing in 225 HP will outrun them.
Capt_Tidy posted 01-21-2003 05:12 PM ET (US)
I was wondering how you have concluded you need to replace vs. repair - these tanks are pretty tough. I see some minor surface pitting on my tanks but I am pretty confident that my tanks will last another 10-15-20 years (1982 outrage 25). In my case the drains were plugged for likley many years - and the tanks literally were sitting in muck (leaves and old bait.... former owner).
But there must be options around for repairing as well versus outright replacement. What I don't have for you is a good alround suggestion for a local yard for any fuel tank service in SoCAl... our local BW dealer once he realized I was not buying 20K worth of engines was less than helpful.
Ian
Newport Beach
Rick U posted 01-21-2003 06:20 PM ET (US)
I’m considering the Yamaha 4 strokes but figured for the same weight I should move up to the 225’s. How about the Yamaha 250hp HPDI’s? What do you like between the 225 4 stroke and the 250 HPDI? Both the 200HPDI and the 250 HDPI come with a free extended warranty if purchased before March 31, 03. They are close in price and the 250 is a little lighter than the 225. The boat is rated for 600hp but the old 200’s never left me thinking I needed more power.
Rick U posted 01-21-2003 06:31 PM ET (US)
Dana Marine center in Dana Point was very helpful and said they have the number of a guy who could make a copy of the tank if necessary. Chad over there recommended a pressure test and said the replacement job was pretty involved because the tank is imbedded in foam. I looked at the outside of the tank and all the visible fittings. There is some pitting and pretty good corrosion around the fittings. I have not noticed a leak. I was thinking if it was a relatively easy job I would do it for preventative purposes. Doesn’t sound like it’s an easy job. Now I’m thinking about just replacing all the hoses and doing the pressure test. Does it make any sense to disturb the seals on the fittings?
jmarlo posted 01-22-2003 05:13 PM ET (US)
Another good, honest, boat guy in So. Cal. is Audiss Marine in Orange. Ask for Rolf at 714 744 8220.

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Author	Topic: Referbishing my 27' Revenge, Help!
Rick U	posted 01-20-2003 11:11 PM ET (US) This is my first post. I just found this forum yesterday and can’t believe how much valuable information is here. I have a 1986 27’ Revenge and have decided to refurbish and re-power her. I am considering the Yamaha 200hp HPDI’s or the Honda or Yamaha 4 strokes. Availability, price, and warranty will all be a factor. I am the original owner and was not aware so many consider this a classic. I’m not alone! Anyway the fuel tank has some pitting. The boat has always been in the water and will continue to be. I think I better consider replacing the fuel tank but how much work is involved? That year they offered the full cabin, the whaler cabin and the CC. Mine is the whaler cabin. Are the factory tanks still available? I think it’s 175 gallons. After reading so many posts here I will be mindful to stay original (to an extent). The motors and controls and gauges will hit the savings account pretty hard but I know there will be other things I will want done. Where do I start?
Tom W Clark	posted 01-20-2003 11:32 PM ET (US) Rick, Welcome to the FORUM. You have found the right place for answers to your Whaler questions. I cannot speak to your 27 with any personal experience, but I can make a few comments which may or may not be of any value. Your boat is not a 27' Revenge. What you have is a Whaler 27 as opposed to a Whaler 27 Full Cabin or a Whaler 27 Center Console Cuddy or even a Whaler 27 Walkaround or 27 Offshore if it were few years newer. I suspect the fuel tanks can be still had from Florida Marine Tanks http://www.floridamarinetanks.com/ . They were the OEM of the aluminum tanks Whaler used in the 1980's. Replacement of the fuel tank sounds like a pretty big (but doable) job. Use the site's search engine http://continuouswave.com/htdig/ to research the topic of fuel tank replacement and whatever other subject you might want to know more about. There is an awful lot of material in the archives.
Rick U	posted 01-21-2003 12:06 AM ET (US) You are the first person outside of the dealership to know that it was a Whaler 27. I stopped calling it that years ago when everyone used to ask me, “which one”? My reply was Whaler 27 and they would get that stumped look on their faces. I went to the boat show in San Diego last week and was talking to a local Whaler dealer so I thought it would be okay to call it a Whaler 27. She got that look, corrected me and said it was a Revenge. Anyway, great site!
lhg	posted 01-21-2003 04:54 PM ET (US) With a boat that size, I would think you'd get more longevity out of a pair of anybody's 225's rather than the 200's. If you do go with 200's, find a brand that has them on their 225 block size. The Yamaha 200 hpdi is not a good choice in this respect, nor the Merc or Yamaha 200 EFI's. Yamaha 200 4-strokes are, as are the Merc 200 Optimax or 200 HP Bombardier Ficht. The larger displacement makes these engines a better buy, with better relative power. Your biggest bang for the buck is a pair of Merc 3 liter 225 EFI's. Nothing in 225 HP will outrun them.
Capt_Tidy	posted 01-21-2003 05:12 PM ET (US) I was wondering how you have concluded you need to replace vs. repair - these tanks are pretty tough. I see some minor surface pitting on my tanks but I am pretty confident that my tanks will last another 10-15-20 years (1982 outrage 25). In my case the drains were plugged for likley many years - and the tanks literally were sitting in muck (leaves and old bait.... former owner). But there must be options around for repairing as well versus outright replacement. What I don't have for you is a good alround suggestion for a local yard for any fuel tank service in SoCAl... our local BW dealer once he realized I was not buying 20K worth of engines was less than helpful. Ian Newport Beach
Rick U	posted 01-21-2003 06:20 PM ET (US) I’m considering the Yamaha 4 strokes but figured for the same weight I should move up to the 225’s. How about the Yamaha 250hp HPDI’s? What do you like between the 225 4 stroke and the 250 HPDI? Both the 200HPDI and the 250 HDPI come with a free extended warranty if purchased before March 31, 03. They are close in price and the 250 is a little lighter than the 225. The boat is rated for 600hp but the old 200’s never left me thinking I needed more power.
Rick U	posted 01-21-2003 06:31 PM ET (US) Dana Marine center in Dana Point was very helpful and said they have the number of a guy who could make a copy of the tank if necessary. Chad over there recommended a pressure test and said the replacement job was pretty involved because the tank is imbedded in foam. I looked at the outside of the tank and all the visible fittings. There is some pitting and pretty good corrosion around the fittings. I have not noticed a leak. I was thinking if it was a relatively easy job I would do it for preventative purposes. Doesn’t sound like it’s an easy job. Now I’m thinking about just replacing all the hoses and doing the pressure test. Does it make any sense to disturb the seals on the fittings?
jmarlo	posted 01-22-2003 05:13 PM ET (US) Another good, honest, boat guy in So. Cal. is Audiss Marine in Orange. Ask for Rolf at 714 744 8220.