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Island Bwoy 420 posted 02-20-2003 11:52 PM ET (US)
Hows it going everyone? My name is Kyle and I live down in Palm Beach, Florida and I have come across a find for someone my age, I am 17 by the way. I grew up in Freeport Grand Bahama Island and there are Whalers everywhere down there and Ive always wanted one and I came across a 17' Montauk that had been kept in pretty good shape by its previous owners but the story went that it had been stolen and completely stripped. There is nothing in the boat except the gas tank, which would go anyway. So I left a number on the guys truck to call me and he did so. He told me about the boat being stolen and that he bought it from an insurance company for $3000 as it was (including a trailer)the hull is a 1991 and it in decent condition. Now I work at a marina and I have a buddy that works with me and he knows whaler and told me not to pay more than 1800 dollars for it because the person probably got it a lot cheaper that he claimed. But at any rate this is my dream boat project and it would be and awesome runabout for my area in and around the ocean and intercoastal. I am wondering if any of you whaler nuts can help quide me in my attempt to become a proud whaler owner. So as it is now it sits under a tree collecting leaves and I want this boat!
Thanks for the help!
Kyle
Island Bwoy 420 posted 02-21-2003 12:10 AM ET (US)
Kyle again, just wondering what engine everyone would recommend for this 17' ft montauk? I was thinking a 115 or 130 Yamaha 2 stroke but not older than maybe 5-8 years. Let me know
Thanks
newt posted 02-21-2003 06:47 AM ET (US)
island boy, give us some more details about the boat. Does "completely stripped" mean no console, bow rail, reversable pilot seat, etc? If so, $3000 is a total waste of your money in my opinion.
Also, look around this website a little. In the performance section, you will find lots of info on power for a montauk.
JBCornwell posted 02-21-2003 08:20 AM ET (US)
Ahoy, Islander.
First: If the hull is in near perfect shape, $1200 to $1500 would be my offer.
Second: If this boat has been sitting out in the weather with open screw holes it is likely to have rot in the wood backing for those screws. An ice pick can probably tell you. If it does have rot it is still repairable, but my price would drop to about $800.
It would be a big and expensive project in any case. You can buy an '80s Montauk in pretty good shape for less than you would have to spend to rehab that boat.
Good luck.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
Bigshot posted 02-21-2003 09:23 AM ET (US)
Well....a new 17 alert is close to $8k without trailer. A 1991 with trailer is surely worth more than $1200(my trailer is worth almost that alone). I would say $2-2500k if in great shape otherwise. What kind of gastank is in there, just a 6gal or the 27gal Pate?
weekendwarrior posted 02-21-2003 11:45 AM ET (US)
Wow Montauk theft must be a big deal down here, I bought my Montauk the same way. I got it from a salvage yard in Miami (Edmonsons Salvage, or something similar) which purchased it from an insurance company. The one thing that I can tell you is DO THE TITLE WORK FIRST before you give them any money! I was lucky, the guys were totally honest. There was some trouble with my title (there were multiple copies of the title, the insurance company initially didn't give us the only valid copy), but the salvage guys worked with me to get it all straitned out and in my name before they asked for any cash. Having the paper title in your hand is NOT enough, you have to be sure that you're holding the ONLY valid copy of the title (only the most recent title is valid)! Call the DMV with the title in your hand, they will help you verify that it's the valid copy. Also you have to be sure that it is either signed by owner whos name is on the title (likely the owner that it was stolen from) or have power of attourney by the previous owners to sign for them on the title. Otherwise you will have trouble transfering the title to your name.
If this helps, I picked up my stripped 1996 Montauk (it had ONLY a Mills bimini top, rails, and bow light, everything else was gone), no trailer, for $6000 + tax. I checked local prices and for the condition and year I was happy. During my search I did find out that Montauk parts are VERY expensive! I ended up using parts from my old boat to complete my Montauk. If you have access to cheap parts then that will help, otherwise you will spend a lot rigging the boat. Also check underside of the boat in the front. Is it smooth from the bottom up to the bow light, or is there a big lip towards the top which will deflect splashes down toward the water? My '96 has the lip to deflect waves, a Montauk down the street from me does not but I don't know what year it is. It may be a wet ride if it's the old style.
As for motor; I've got a 50HP Honda and I'm totally satisfied. Top speed with my stock prop is just over 30 mph at redline, cruise at 20-24mph. It's got enough power to go wakeboarding with several people in the boat and best of all it goes all day on 6 gallons of gas. If you want to go faster then get a bigger motor. I believe the boat is rated for a max of 100HP.
My best advice is do your price shopping for rigging the boat first. You may find out that the total price is more than spending a little more for a boat that's already fully rigged. Good luck!
Kelly posted 02-21-2003 03:36 PM ET (US)
I personally think if you want a Montauk, you are better off to buy a Montauk with all the pieces. The console and RPS are expensive. Everything adds up.
On the other hand, if you can get the boat at a price you can afford, and pick up a motor that will work, maybe even a tiller model, you can start using the boat and make improvements as you are able to find parts and pieces. It may take a while, but in the end you could have something worthwhile.
My first boat was a very cheaply made 14' skiff that I purchased for $80 while in college. It was perfect for the way I used it, but it was never going to be anything more. With a 17' Whaler hull, there are a lot of possibilities.

Kelly
Bigshot posted 02-21-2003 03:56 PM ET (US)
there is a salvage surplus joint in the Daytona area that frequently has whaler consoles, etc. You might be able to piece it together if they will call you when stuff comes in.

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Author	Topic: Looking for adivce on buy a Montauk hull
Island Bwoy 420	posted 02-20-2003 11:52 PM ET (US) Hows it going everyone? My name is Kyle and I live down in Palm Beach, Florida and I have come across a find for someone my age, I am 17 by the way. I grew up in Freeport Grand Bahama Island and there are Whalers everywhere down there and Ive always wanted one and I came across a 17' Montauk that had been kept in pretty good shape by its previous owners but the story went that it had been stolen and completely stripped. There is nothing in the boat except the gas tank, which would go anyway. So I left a number on the guys truck to call me and he did so. He told me about the boat being stolen and that he bought it from an insurance company for $3000 as it was (including a trailer)the hull is a 1991 and it in decent condition. Now I work at a marina and I have a buddy that works with me and he knows whaler and told me not to pay more than 1800 dollars for it because the person probably got it a lot cheaper that he claimed. But at any rate this is my dream boat project and it would be and awesome runabout for my area in and around the ocean and intercoastal. I am wondering if any of you whaler nuts can help quide me in my attempt to become a proud whaler owner. So as it is now it sits under a tree collecting leaves and I want this boat! Thanks for the help! Kyle
Island Bwoy 420	posted 02-21-2003 12:10 AM ET (US) Kyle again, just wondering what engine everyone would recommend for this 17' ft montauk? I was thinking a 115 or 130 Yamaha 2 stroke but not older than maybe 5-8 years. Let me know Thanks
newt	posted 02-21-2003 06:47 AM ET (US) island boy, give us some more details about the boat. Does "completely stripped" mean no console, bow rail, reversable pilot seat, etc? If so, $3000 is a total waste of your money in my opinion. Also, look around this website a little. In the performance section, you will find lots of info on power for a montauk.
JBCornwell	posted 02-21-2003 08:20 AM ET (US) Ahoy, Islander. First: If the hull is in near perfect shape, $1200 to $1500 would be my offer. Second: If this boat has been sitting out in the weather with open screw holes it is likely to have rot in the wood backing for those screws. An ice pick can probably tell you. If it does have rot it is still repairable, but my price would drop to about $800. It would be a big and expensive project in any case. You can buy an '80s Montauk in pretty good shape for less than you would have to spend to rehab that boat. Good luck. Red sky at night. . . JB
Bigshot	posted 02-21-2003 09:23 AM ET (US) Well....a new 17 alert is close to $8k without trailer. A 1991 with trailer is surely worth more than $1200(my trailer is worth almost that alone). I would say $2-2500k if in great shape otherwise. What kind of gastank is in there, just a 6gal or the 27gal Pate?
weekendwarrior	posted 02-21-2003 11:45 AM ET (US) Wow Montauk theft must be a big deal down here, I bought my Montauk the same way. I got it from a salvage yard in Miami (Edmonsons Salvage, or something similar) which purchased it from an insurance company. The one thing that I can tell you is DO THE TITLE WORK FIRST before you give them any money! I was lucky, the guys were totally honest. There was some trouble with my title (there were multiple copies of the title, the insurance company initially didn't give us the only valid copy), but the salvage guys worked with me to get it all straitned out and in my name before they asked for any cash. Having the paper title in your hand is NOT enough, you have to be sure that you're holding the ONLY valid copy of the title (only the most recent title is valid)! Call the DMV with the title in your hand, they will help you verify that it's the valid copy. Also you have to be sure that it is either signed by owner whos name is on the title (likely the owner that it was stolen from) or have power of attourney by the previous owners to sign for them on the title. Otherwise you will have trouble transfering the title to your name. If this helps, I picked up my stripped 1996 Montauk (it had ONLY a Mills bimini top, rails, and bow light, everything else was gone), no trailer, for $6000 + tax. I checked local prices and for the condition and year I was happy. During my search I did find out that Montauk parts are VERY expensive! I ended up using parts from my old boat to complete my Montauk. If you have access to cheap parts then that will help, otherwise you will spend a lot rigging the boat. Also check underside of the boat in the front. Is it smooth from the bottom up to the bow light, or is there a big lip towards the top which will deflect splashes down toward the water? My '96 has the lip to deflect waves, a Montauk down the street from me does not but I don't know what year it is. It may be a wet ride if it's the old style. As for motor; I've got a 50HP Honda and I'm totally satisfied. Top speed with my stock prop is just over 30 mph at redline, cruise at 20-24mph. It's got enough power to go wakeboarding with several people in the boat and best of all it goes all day on 6 gallons of gas. If you want to go faster then get a bigger motor. I believe the boat is rated for a max of 100HP. My best advice is do your price shopping for rigging the boat first. You may find out that the total price is more than spending a little more for a boat that's already fully rigged. Good luck!
Kelly	posted 02-21-2003 03:36 PM ET (US) I personally think if you want a Montauk, you are better off to buy a Montauk with all the pieces. The console and RPS are expensive. Everything adds up. On the other hand, if you can get the boat at a price you can afford, and pick up a motor that will work, maybe even a tiller model, you can start using the boat and make improvements as you are able to find parts and pieces. It may take a while, but in the end you could have something worthwhile. My first boat was a very cheaply made 14' skiff that I purchased for $80 while in college. It was perfect for the way I used it, but it was never going to be anything more. With a 17' Whaler hull, there are a lot of possibilities. Kelly
Bigshot	posted 02-21-2003 03:56 PM ET (US) there is a salvage surplus joint in the Daytona area that frequently has whaler consoles, etc. You might be able to piece it together if they will call you when stuff comes in.