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mustang7nh posted 05-21-2003 02:47 PM ET (US)
I was wondering how Whaler phased out the classic foam filled hull construction into their newer Accutrak hulls? [Note: Boston Whaler never phased out the Unibond construction process--I think the author is asking when they began to use the Accutrack hull, which also used Unibond construction--jimh.]
The brochures for 1992 definitely show the 22-OUTRAGE, etc. But the 1993 brochure looked the same. Did they make [the 22-Outrage] also in 1993?
The Guardian looks like the traditional method [Note, again the author confuses the Unibond construction with the difference between the traditional Boston Whale hull and the Accutrack hull] in the [Commerical and Government Products]. Could you get a classic hull under the Guardian badge in later years?
Lastly, the Offshore 27 in 1996 Brochure looks like the classic [hull form]; is this accurate?
Thanks
hauptjm posted 05-21-2003 02:58 PM ET (US)
All Whalers are foam-filled construction, regardless of vintage. Different shapes, designs and interior forms have come and gone, but as far as I am aware, Whaler never ceased use of their original construction methods.
DaveS posted 05-21-2003 08:19 PM ET (US)
Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the distinction placed when Whaler went to an all composite construction, removing the wood and replacing it with whalerboard, with the 1989 models being that last of this vintage?
Hope this helps...
DaveS
Dick posted 05-21-2003 08:44 PM ET (US)
In my opinion they stopped building classics when they discontinued the Montauk.
Dick
doobee posted 05-21-2003 10:19 PM ET (US)
Whaler was still using wood into early nineties. I'm not sure what year they switched to Whalerboard. I believe accutrak refers to hull shape, not construction.
jimh posted 05-21-2003 11:52 PM ET (US)
The author of this thread has confused the Unibond process, the Accutrack hull, and the "classic" Outrage hull.
Unibond is the process by which Boston Whaler makes all their boats. Literally every catalogue they have produced contains information on their Unibond process.
Accutrack refers to a hull design intoduced c.1990 (I don't have the exact date handy--does anyone?). The Accutrack was built with the Unibond method. It was just a different hull shape.
The "classic" Boston Whaler hull was built with Unibond techniques. I don't know that Boston Whale ever gave it a trade name (like they did for Accutrack) but we refer to the "classic" hulls as those designed by Fisher, Hunt, or Dougherty, and typified by the classic 13-foot and 17-foot hulls. You can also consider the c.1985 Outrage hulls used on the 20, 22, 25, and 27-foot hulls as a "classic" if you like.
In this sense and in the sense of your original question ("Classic construction ended which year?") the proper answer is that classic construction has never ended. The Unibond process is still in use.
If you want to know when the Accutrack hull was introduced, again, that is around 1992 or so.
The Commercial and Government Products division has been molding boats with the classic 20-27 foot "Outrage" hull and continues to have them available in boats they call GUARDIANs.
To make things more complicated, the current labeling seems to be split into three styles of hulls:
--so-called "classic" hulls as seen reprised in the newly designed 130-SPORT 150-SPORT and 170-MONTUAK models;
--the Accutrack hulls, seen in models like the DAUNTLESS and VENTURA
--a newly named OUTRAGE hull now used in the more recently Outrage models, but not the same as the c.1985 Outrage hulls that we refer to as the "classic" hull. This new designation of "Outrage hull" applies to boats like the 270-Outrage and feaures very tall gunwales and a more pointed bow.
This can be quite confusing, and may require further comments from other knowledgeable authors to get completely straight.
mustang7nh posted 05-22-2003 07:26 AM ET (US)
I'm sorry if the question was unclear- I think I was asking two questions. First, I was referring to the two part hulls like the 80s and earlier Whalers, where the foam was sandwiched between two layers of glass, whereas I understand the new Brunswick hulls are actually three pieces. In this sense, I saw that the Offshore 27 was offered for many years after the "classic Outrages" and was wondering if this was the original two piece design.
Second, I think I was mixing in the 80s Outrage hull design. The smirk if you will. Its my impression that the Offshore 27 (well into the 90s) and the Guardians to this day are the same construction technique and hull designs as the earlier 80s whalers. Thanks again.
jimh posted 05-22-2003 09:51 AM ET (US)
Boston Whaler made boats with three-part hulls as far back as the c.1970 Revenges and Outrages.
Without the third piece (top piece) the 21-Outrage became the 21-LoProfle.
The cabin of all Revenges is a third piece of the hull. Even 17-foot hulls had a three-part hull, like the Newport.
Only the classic SPORT models and the classic OUTRAGES were two-part hulls.
Ritzyrags posted 05-26-2009 03:04 PM ET (US)
For the need to settle an Argument;
I have stated that the 97 Dauntless 17 was a three part hull;
As I will very much doubt that the "top" molded seating sections will be filled with foam..
My take on this manufacturing process has been assessed as
1-Hull
2-Deck section
3-Seating and "Cap"
I have looked at Tom's CD but somehow found the solution to have eluded me.

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Author	Topic: Classic construction ended which year?
mustang7nh	posted 05-21-2003 02:47 PM ET (US) I was wondering how Whaler phased out the classic foam filled hull construction into their newer Accutrak hulls? [Note: Boston Whaler never phased out the Unibond construction process--I think the author is asking when they began to use the Accutrack hull, which also used Unibond construction--jimh.] The brochures for 1992 definitely show the 22-OUTRAGE, etc. But the 1993 brochure looked the same. Did they make [the 22-Outrage] also in 1993? The Guardian looks like the traditional method [Note, again the author confuses the Unibond construction with the difference between the traditional Boston Whale hull and the Accutrack hull] in the [Commerical and Government Products]. Could you get a classic hull under the Guardian badge in later years? Lastly, the Offshore 27 in 1996 Brochure looks like the classic [hull form]; is this accurate? Thanks
hauptjm	posted 05-21-2003 02:58 PM ET (US) All Whalers are foam-filled construction, regardless of vintage. Different shapes, designs and interior forms have come and gone, but as far as I am aware, Whaler never ceased use of their original construction methods.
DaveS	posted 05-21-2003 08:19 PM ET (US) Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the distinction placed when Whaler went to an all composite construction, removing the wood and replacing it with whalerboard, with the 1989 models being that last of this vintage? Hope this helps... DaveS
Dick	posted 05-21-2003 08:44 PM ET (US) In my opinion they stopped building classics when they discontinued the Montauk. Dick
doobee	posted 05-21-2003 10:19 PM ET (US) Whaler was still using wood into early nineties. I'm not sure what year they switched to Whalerboard. I believe accutrak refers to hull shape, not construction.
jimh	posted 05-21-2003 11:52 PM ET (US) The author of this thread has confused the Unibond process, the Accutrack hull, and the "classic" Outrage hull. Unibond is the process by which Boston Whaler makes all their boats. Literally every catalogue they have produced contains information on their Unibond process. Accutrack refers to a hull design intoduced c.1990 (I don't have the exact date handy--does anyone?). The Accutrack was built with the Unibond method. It was just a different hull shape. The "classic" Boston Whaler hull was built with Unibond techniques. I don't know that Boston Whale ever gave it a trade name (like they did for Accutrack) but we refer to the "classic" hulls as those designed by Fisher, Hunt, or Dougherty, and typified by the classic 13-foot and 17-foot hulls. You can also consider the c.1985 Outrage hulls used on the 20, 22, 25, and 27-foot hulls as a "classic" if you like. In this sense and in the sense of your original question ("Classic construction ended which year?") the proper answer is that classic construction has never ended. The Unibond process is still in use. If you want to know when the Accutrack hull was introduced, again, that is around 1992 or so. The Commercial and Government Products division has been molding boats with the classic 20-27 foot "Outrage" hull and continues to have them available in boats they call GUARDIANs. To make things more complicated, the current labeling seems to be split into three styles of hulls: --so-called "classic" hulls as seen reprised in the newly designed 130-SPORT 150-SPORT and 170-MONTUAK models; --the Accutrack hulls, seen in models like the DAUNTLESS and VENTURA --a newly named OUTRAGE hull now used in the more recently Outrage models, but not the same as the c.1985 Outrage hulls that we refer to as the "classic" hull. This new designation of "Outrage hull" applies to boats like the 270-Outrage and feaures very tall gunwales and a more pointed bow. This can be quite confusing, and may require further comments from other knowledgeable authors to get completely straight.
mustang7nh	posted 05-22-2003 07:26 AM ET (US) I'm sorry if the question was unclear- I think I was asking two questions. First, I was referring to the two part hulls like the 80s and earlier Whalers, where the foam was sandwiched between two layers of glass, whereas I understand the new Brunswick hulls are actually three pieces. In this sense, I saw that the Offshore 27 was offered for many years after the "classic Outrages" and was wondering if this was the original two piece design. Second, I think I was mixing in the 80s Outrage hull design. The smirk if you will. Its my impression that the Offshore 27 (well into the 90s) and the Guardians to this day are the same construction technique and hull designs as the earlier 80s whalers. Thanks again.
jimh	posted 05-22-2003 09:51 AM ET (US) Boston Whaler made boats with three-part hulls as far back as the c.1970 Revenges and Outrages. Without the third piece (top piece) the 21-Outrage became the 21-LoProfle. The cabin of all Revenges is a third piece of the hull. Even 17-foot hulls had a three-part hull, like the Newport. Only the classic SPORT models and the classic OUTRAGES were two-part hulls.
Ritzyrags	posted 05-26-2009 03:04 PM ET (US) For the need to settle an Argument; I have stated that the 97 Dauntless 17 was a three part hull; As I will very much doubt that the "top" molded seating sections will be filled with foam.. My take on this manufacturing process has been assessed as 1-Hull 2-Deck section 3-Seating and "Cap" I have looked at Tom's CD but somehow found the solution to have eluded me.