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Author | Topic: Classic Whaler/Classic LandRover I'm curious! |
jmacd99 |
posted 08-04-2003 12:22 PM ET (US)
I have been an admirer of the classic Land Rover for years and now I have been introduced to the Boston Whaler. I find myself having very similar feelings about these two succeses in historical transportation. Some simple things work well and work well for a long,long time. I wonder if there are any members here that have a dual admiration such as this? |
Bigshot |
posted 08-04-2003 02:06 PM ET (US)
Yes I do but I stay away from anything that says..."Made in England" except Liz Hurley of course (.)(.) Are you going to run a British Seagull for a kicker by any chance? Actually Del-Quay is made in England. This kinda sounds like a slam response but it is not intended to be, just small talk. |
captbone |
posted 08-04-2003 02:12 PM ET (US)
The Hummer, the orginal one, not the knock off on the surburan chassis! |
JDH |
posted 08-04-2003 02:28 PM ET (US)
Not a rover, but Toyota Land Cruiser..... Jim |
jaccoserv |
posted 08-04-2003 03:21 PM ET (US)
I see the connection, both strong, classy, timeless and (relatively) no frills. When I say frills, please understand that I am referring to leopard seat upholstery, aft cabins, and mirrors on every flat surface, and not 316 stainless steel. For some reason, I don't associate a classic Boston Whaler with a Japanese automobile. |
Tom2697 |
posted 08-04-2003 05:11 PM ET (US)
I pull my '89 Classic 18 with a '71 Ford Bronco roadster conversion (convertible). I guess you can say there are a few of us out here.... |
Tom2697 |
posted 08-04-2003 05:18 PM ET (US)
captbone, I saw THE ULTIMATE RIG via a picture on the internet... A medium armored, AM General HUMMVEE (complete with 50 caliber machine gun) towing a 27' Boston Whaler Guardian with 2 matching 50 caliber machine guns!!! I fell in love INSTANTLY!!! It became the background for my computer... |
HAPPYJIM |
posted 08-04-2003 05:54 PM ET (US)
Tom2697 Please send me that picture!! A 50 on my 21 footer would be sweet! |
JDH |
posted 08-04-2003 06:07 PM ET (US)
My Land Cruiser is a 71. I don't see it as a Japanese automobile either. In reality, it has almost as much Chevy in it as the AM General Hummer - SB350, SM465 tranny, rear calipers are from a Monte Carlo front end, PS is Saginaw etc... Utilitarian to the extreme, a classic brand (that like BW has been somewhat poluted in the US due to concessions to chasing the almighty $ - not so in the rest of the world). I count on them - (1962 Whaler and the 71 TLC)to take me to the adventure and bring me home again. Jim |
adaps4 |
posted 08-04-2003 06:11 PM ET (US)
Question for Tom2697- How does the 71 do for pulling that boat? I am currently looking at classic Broncos, and have wondered what they are rated at for towing capacity. I have a 13 now, so that is not a worry, I just want to upgrade soon to a 18 - 22 Outrage, and wonder if the truck will be capable. Thanks for the reply, and if you know anyone selling one- 72-77, shoot me an e-mail. |
captbone |
posted 08-04-2003 06:12 PM ET (US)
Tom Was that a USCG Hummer? I saw ONE in my life, and it had the 50 on top. I would love to see that picture! |
Drisney |
posted 08-04-2003 08:55 PM ET (US)
I towed my 16/17 with my 71 landcruiser and it was a great match! I sold the boat last year. I still have the Land cruiser......want to buy it?>???? lol Dave |
alkar |
posted 08-04-2003 09:18 PM ET (US)
I have a 1987 Land Cruiser that my dad bought new in 1988. I has been an amazingly durable rig - which explains, I suppose, why they seem to have displaced the Land Rover to such a large extent in Africa and Australia. I't slow, and it drinks gas, but it tows a little Montauk easily. |
jmacd99 |
posted 08-04-2003 09:31 PM ET (US)
My 68 Land Rover was already worn out (low, low compression) when I blew the head gasket between the 2nd and 3rd cylinder. Although it was slow drive home she still got me home. I got more $ for her when I sold her than I paid and three guy's were bidding on it the first day I listed. Once in a while it seems that some guy's get together and build something right. It is usually an enormous success. I wish that were the goal more often. Cheers J |
WMBS |
posted 08-05-2003 04:37 PM ET (US)
Tom 2697 I have an 87 Outrage 18. Would that mount a 50 successfully, or would I need a 21? I could scale down to a 30 caliber, if I needed to. |
Barnett Childress |
posted 08-05-2003 04:54 PM ET (US)
Hi jmacd99, Funny similar interests here. Whaler is a Montauk old style hull and vehicle is Landrover Defender 90. Love offroading as much as fishing. Barnett |
KVT |
posted 08-05-2003 07:16 PM ET (US)
This is kind of funny.. I own a Land Rover web site with two friends.. I just returned from Texas where I was picking up the cap for the outrage I am restoring... http://www.discoweb.org/heather/IMG_0124.JPG http://www.discoweb.org/heather/IMG_0126.JPG Kyle |
hardensheetmetal |
posted 08-05-2003 11:20 PM ET (US)
I don't remember who it was, but someone that used to post here worked for a pretty cool place in Maine that restored LandRovers. I remember there website was nice. Dan |
mjcrawford |
posted 08-06-2003 12:33 AM ET (US)
I pull my Classic 1967 Easport with a 1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. Quite a tandem going down the road! Good Boating! |
Duckin Whalers |
posted 08-06-2003 01:36 AM ET (US)
We used to pull our 1972 13' with a 1972 Baby Blue F-100. That was a classy looking combo. The Ford baby blue matched the 13's gelcoat almost perfectly. |
dhueske |
posted 08-06-2003 08:09 AM ET (US)
I'm in the middle of restoring a 63 Sakonnet, and I sold my Defender 90. As soon as I'm done restoring my classic house (1785), I'm going to sell the Dodge ram and get a late sixties Land Rover 109. it will look nice next to the MG. That place in Maine that someone referred to is East Coast Rover. I'm considering having them do a galvanised frame swap as well as an engine upgrade. That way I can save my back from the brutal ride, and will be able to reach highway speeds. |
North Beach |
posted 08-06-2003 05:38 PM ET (US)
Not to be too much of a butthole, but (at least in my experience in my family), saying you love older (read: cheaper) stuff and that you would never buy the newer (read: more expensive) stuff is often, though not always, a cover for cheapness or lack of financial ability. You can sort of pretend to appreciate and have the "good old classic" stuff and still put on airs like you could afford the new stuff, but just don't want it, 'cause its no good. As for me, of course, I acknowledge that I ain't got the money for the newer stuff, alot of which I think is great, but to me, unaffordable. For example, I would take a 70k new Range Rover over a beat up old one any day, but can't.
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Tom2697 |
posted 08-06-2003 06:28 PM ET (US)
My '71 Bronco is rated to tow 3000 lbs with the hard top. The hard top has since disintegrated from the salt air since I never restored it when I redid the body. Towing with the soft top...U-haul will not even rent me a trailer. I don't care! The rig looks too good. Now, the truck has plenty of power to pull the boat (I'm at about 280 hp and plan to go up to about 330 hp after my next mod!) and the brakes, although manual, are powerful enough to lock all four wheels at 40 mph (without the trailer). The steering is manual too so backing the trailer is fun. I plan to install power steering shortly so this problem will soon be solved. If I need to pull the boat up a steep ramp...the 2.5:1 transfer case coupled with the 3:1 1st gear coupled with the 3.5:1 ring gear will rip the boat out of the water! Regarding the comment about being too cheap to buy a newer vehicle...obviously North Beach has never owned a classic vehicle. Otherwise he (or she - profile is not listed) would know that many classic vehicle owners could have bought a new vehicle many times overs for the cost of restoring one classic. Since I stopped modifying my Bronco about 2 years ago, I was able to buy a 2002 Oldsmobile Bravada. It's a beautiful vehicle, It's easier to tow my boat with this vehicle It's more comfortable to tow my boat with this vehicle. It gets better mileage towing with this vehicle. But, it is NOT my Bronco and it doesn't get nearly as many looks that the Bronco/Boston Whaler combo does! Nor do I get the satisfaction of completing an adventure (note: I didn't say "trip") with this rig. As I've stated before: Some people will just never understand! |
Tom2697 |
posted 08-06-2003 06:35 PM ET (US)
WMBS, Regarding mounting a 50 caliber on your 18, it should work...Just make sure you mount it on the 2nd hole up! But, be careful strafing a boat alongside of you while running WOT...you might tip over! |
North Beach |
posted 08-06-2003 08:23 PM ET (US)
Tom: READ my post. What you say about it (and your "obvious" conclusion) are just wrong. You are a classic "write before you read (or think)". |
jmacd99 |
posted 08-06-2003 09:30 PM ET (US)
North Beach I have no idea if a new Land Rover falls in the catagory that I am referring to. It may well do, I have never owned one. My point being is just that sometimes designers or engineers or individuals come up with a product that just works really really well. I have experienced a couple in my lifetime so far. One was an old land rover. I have noticed a similar loyaly amoung Land Rover owners as to BW owners and that is what started this discussion. Old or new dosen't make any difference. I love my 10" Makita sliding compound miter saw and it's new. It just seems to me to be one of those rare products that works. There are lots of cheaper saws out there. Cheers J |
Dick |
posted 08-06-2003 09:58 PM ET (US)
Since Land Cruisers have been mentioned here I have to get my comments in. The true Land Cruiser is a classic, no creature comforts, rough riding and ugly. Made in Japan, sure, but the engine was a take off of the GM I-6. I bought one new in 1967 and drove it for 6 months befor I pulled the I-6 and dropped in a 350 HP 327. I drove it to work every day and on weekends it either towed a boat to the lake or was involved in sand drags. The front license plate read "CHEVOTA", a worthy vehicle. Dick |
critch22 |
posted 08-07-2003 09:13 AM ET (US)
My opinion on the most classic American setup... A mint-condition Montauk and a mint-condition Navy blue or green Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the woodgrain sides of early nineties vintage. Thumbs up to Landcruisers, MG's, old Broncos, and did anyone mention Triumph motorcycles? |
Tom2697 |
posted 08-07-2003 09:52 AM ET (US)
North Beach, I have nothing against older vehicles. I also agree that some people keep older vehicles, proclaim "they just don't make 'em like they used to" but are actually just too cheap to buy a new vehicle. I am not talking about these people. I am referring to classic vehicles. Some people do own a classic vehicle that is complete junk but that still runs. Others have classic vehicles that have been restored, hopped up, or are originally mint. THESE are the vehicles I am talking about. I have friends in some car clubs that have spent more money on their vehicles than I've spent on my house. I don't believe there is any way to classify these people as cheap. Why would someone spend $50K to restore/modify a junker? Why would someone spend $150K to buy an original condition, low mileage '67 427 AC Cobra instead of $90K to buy an '04 Dodge Viper or $120K to buy an '04 Ford GT (soon-to-be-released modern version of the '69 Ford GT-40)? ....as I've stated before: some people will never understand! Fortunately, I don't understand some of these people either! Come to think of it: Why would someone spend $11000 to repower an 1989 18' Boston Whaler Outrage when they could buy a 2003 Bayliner for less money? (If anyone on this site cannot answer this question....please leave now!) |
Robob2003 |
posted 08-07-2003 10:07 AM ET (US)
Tom2697, 2003 Bayliner? Please, no profanity on this site:-) |
hughmcmillan |
posted 08-12-2003 09:09 AM ET (US)
I just picked up my second Discovery II, an '03 which replaced an '00, and I have an '02 Montauk 170 with a 90 four stroke. I love the Rover and the Whaler. BTW, my wife has a Freelander. My second (land) vehicle is a New Holland Commercial Mower. Hugh |
adaps4 |
posted 08-12-2003 10:57 PM ET (US)
Hey guys. I posted before about the Bronco, but I think I found the tow vehicle for the Whaler. It is a 1976 International Scout II. Pretty rare, and in good condition. Check it out here- http://community.webshots.com/photo/85136388/85484270VSrBWJ http://community.webshots.com/photo/85136388/85484382sZBrwc http://community.webshots.com/photo/85136388/85484474NAUluK http://community.webshots.com/photo/85136388/85484514QCujGi I think it will look real smart with the Whaler. Let me know what you think- I have not jumped on it yet, but it is a good deal. Sorry if this seems off topic, but I think the appearance of your complete rig on the road is just as important as your appearance on the water. Just reminds me of when I was young, reading WaterSki magazine, and looking at the readers rigs. They always looked really classy. |
boxers |
posted 08-13-2003 12:13 AM ET (US)
This has been a fun thread. I have owned a 1973 Land Cruiser FJ 40 there are some similarities between adventure vehicles and our beloved Boston Whalers. Funny thing is we recently thought about buying another FJ 40 but the criteria was that it had to have a V-8 and auto tranny. The FJ 40 in stock form only had 125 horsepower so it is a pretty wimpy tow vehicle. In low range however, the Land Cruiser will go places off road that most vehicles don't dare. I think this may be the parallel to whalers.... that the FJ 40 is such a capable rig you can count on it to get you home every time just as we trust our whalers at sea. my 02 cents |
Tin Man |
posted 08-13-2003 05:19 PM ET (US)
I also got the Rover/ Whaler bug a few years ago. I currently have a 1974 Series III 88, a Montauk and a Boston Whaler Harpoon 6.2. We have owned a Range Rover, another Montauk and 11' Tender. I also like the old Chris Crafts and Ford Mustangs. Right now I'm in the process of restoring a 1976 Jim Smith Tournament so the Harpoon and Series are going to have to go. |
newbee |
posted 08-14-2003 09:07 AM ET (US)
i have a 98 montauk and 95 jeep wrangler. have always had a love affair with jeeps and have owned 5. the one i wish i still had was a '46 willys overland cj-2a. it was a real beaut. red with the split windshield. also had a 77 cj-7, 81 cj-7, 85 cj-5 and the 95 wrangler i have now. i don't like a lot of frills on them and don't really care that they look shiny and made for magazine covers. i like them bare bones and able to do what they were intended to do which is get off road. if you get off road you want keep them pretty for long, except in your mine. |
newbee |
posted 08-14-2003 09:10 AM ET (US)
oh yea, i forgot to mention that i also love the toyota landcruisers, older ones. never had one but my cousin did and it was tough. one of the best 4 wheel drives ever. not good on gas but a strong puller. |
alukban |
posted 08-14-2003 11:07 AM ET (US)
Alright... I can't resist. I had a '62 Series II, '80 CJ5, and '97 TJ - all at once. I preferred the CJ to them all. The right hand drive Rover was in pristine condition.... except for you had to keep oiling EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. No matter what, the Rover was just a rendition of a Jeep but had more expensive parts because I was in North America. If you were in the middle of nowhere and actually only had a flat head screwdriver and two adjustable crescent wrenches then, maybe, I'd go for the tinker toy Rover. At one point, I "didn't get it" anymore. Oiling the freakin' ball joints!, being "one with your knees" driving position and having to pull off the WHOLE fender to get to the brake master cylinder just was not cutting it for me. I guess I was just getting lazy. Every ride was like a flight check. It was fun but I need to just drive and not have to worry about changing clothes all the time to keep my vehicle "maintained". It does depend on the person. You can have one, but I couldn't RELY on one as a no-brainer daily driver though I was willing to maintain her. Some people choose to heat their homes with a wood stove and chop wood all the time, some don't. I suppose it's an aesthetic you are going after. I wanted to the option to use wood to heat my home as a redundant system. The thing about my Whaler is it'd keep-going, un-sinkable, "turn the key and go" quality. I also want to learn how to scull it with a single 10' oar as a redundant system. For me, the mechanical/electrical/design simplicity award belongs to the Jeep, not the Rover. I still have the old TJ, hung on to the CJ as long as I could, liquidated the Rover a long time ago. Now, I also have the Rubicon - talk about "bullet proof" internals. I refuse to drive anything else. Choosing to get a Classic Rover is not like choosing a classic Whaler, as far as boating comparisons go. A more appropriate comparison would be classic Rovers and a wooden sailboat with not enough sail, a really bad bung and caulk job and loads upon loads of teak decking that you need to oil all the danged time :)
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BillB |
posted 08-14-2003 11:35 AM ET (US)
As The classic Boston Whaler was on the cutting edge of several technologies, how about a bleeding edge tow vehicle... This was conceived by a guy I used to work for. Or maybe you'd prefer the vehicle that they're working on now. Bill |
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