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Knot at Work posted 09-25-2003 11:32 AM ET (US)
Hey whalers, Killinger Marine down here in Pensacola sold out to Marine Max. Thought you would want to know.
My 170 Montauk maybe the last Whaler sold by them.
We will see.
Jeff
Moe posted 09-25-2003 12:49 PM ET (US)
As a Pensacola native, this breaks my heart!
--
Moe
Knot at Work posted 09-25-2003 02:00 PM ET (US)
Moe,
yes it is sad. Big time Name and products with a small town feel. Hopefully they will be as responsive as the reputation they have built.
Great group of folks, from the time you walk in the door until the the first sea trial on your Whaler...
Jeff
jameso posted 09-25-2003 02:44 PM ET (US)
Although I had limited dealings with them I do hate to see them go. Afraid this is more of the trend for small, customer oriented, companies to go by the way. I would think that Brunswick would be concerned too. Sea Island Marine in Beaufort SC and Lockwood Marine in Darien GA are the only true Whaler dealers in our area now. I won't count SeaRay of Savannah, name says it all.
Jim Armstrong
Florida15 posted 09-25-2003 04:30 PM ET (US)
They had a tent sale a couple of weeks ago. You could get a great deal on engine cowlings (if you needed those particular ones), tops, covers,misc. parts, etc. But you had to know what you were looking at because the salesmen didn't know what boat they went on.
They have been advertising new 2002 Johnson 175s for $6995 and new 2002 Evinrude 90s for $4995. I was hoping they would have some deals on 50s or 60s but no such luck.
mtbadfish posted 09-25-2003 07:17 PM ET (US)
Evidently MarineMax Killinger is savvy enough to know where to go looking for Whaler enthusiats. It might be that continuouswave.com is one of the first venues that they used to advertise a surplus Whaler.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004783.html
jimh posted 09-25-2003 09:09 PM ET (US)
I think you will see more dealer consolidation among Brunswick brands. One thing that Brunswick wants from its boat dealers is that they do not sell competing brands.
If an old line Boston Whaler dealer sold Yamaha outboards, they probably have been pressured to switch to Mercury.
If a Whaler dealer sold a brand that competed with another Brunswick boat, for example Sea Ray competitor, the dealer might have been similarly pressured to drop the competition.
Brunswick wants dealers to become more closely allied with its brands, and to commit to long term deals, say ten years or more.
For the Brunswick Boat Group (see list of ten brands below), the model of success is Sea Ray. Selling Sea Rays has made millions of dollars for Brunswick and for the dealers that sell them, and that model is going to be applied to the other brands, too.
The Boston Whaler boat is probably the finest brand name in all of boating, and any dealer would be glad to have it. Why not keep a jewel like Whaler in the family, with dealers sell Mercury engines, with dealer selling other Brunswick boats? It just makes sense.
Hey, you don't see a car dealer selling Chevrolet's and Ford's.
BRUNSWICK BOAT GROUP BRANDS
--Baja
--Bayliner
--Boston Whaler
--Hatteras
--Maxum
--Meridian
--Princecraft
--Sea Ray
--Sealine
--Trophy
--Land 'n' Sea (Parts and Accessories)
--Attwood (Part/Accessory manufacturer)
GAwhale posted 09-25-2003 09:26 PM ET (US)
I just noticed that TAL Marine, north of Atlanta is no longer listed as a Whaler dealership.
It is now Bolling Bridge Marine with two locations. Acworth, GA which would cover Lake Alatoona and Gainsville, GA which would cover Lake Lanier.
TAL did not have Whaler for long and carries several other brands. Does anyone have the scoop on why TAL dropped the Whaler brand???
I bought my Montauk from TAL early in 2001.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-25-2003 09:52 PM ET (US)
Guess that Atlanta is not a Whaler market, Boating Atlanta had Whaler prior to TAL and could't make a go of it. TAL also sells Yamaha and that may also be a reason behind it. Before TAL Stovall was the dealer and they don't sell Whaler either even though they are Marine Max.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-25-2003 09:55 PM ET (US)
Mr. Webmeister;

"Hey, you don't see a car dealer selling Chevrolet's and Ford's"
I see the Dealer where I purchased my GMC Chevrolet/GMC ALSO sells Fords!
jimh posted 09-26-2003 12:17 AM ET (US)
New or Used cars?
Boy, in SE Michigan, you'd never see a new retail car store selling mixed domestic brands. Maybe Buick and Honda, but never something like Chevrolet and Ford.
How big is that town you live in?
bwmenemsha posted 09-26-2003 05:09 AM ET (US)
Fla 15...were you at the Killinger marine yard sale? That was quite a hoot. l bought several hundred $$$$ worth of stuff for peanuts. l watched the fellow and gal load up all the wood in boxes and carry them out just as l got there. These are the items folks were talking about on E-bay (cooler cleats and such), if you knew what he paid for the boxes of mahogany wood you would be ill, but he did exactly what l would and put them on Ebay. I wished l had more $$$$ with me as l would have bought some of those cowlings and several of the many BW and Searay bimini tops with all the hardware for $30.00 a copy, probably 10% of retail. I did buy some brand new SS rails for the Sha for 20...initially l was not sure about the size and fit so l used killingers menemsha in the showroom to check it out....worked out real well. That was a sale that comes around once in a lifetime...and they fed ya with dawgs and burgers to boot.
Florida15 posted 09-26-2003 09:24 AM ET (US)
Yep, I was there. There were some steals but you had to
need that particular piece and you had to know what you were looking at. There were a bunch of BW cushions that were a steal if you needed them and knew what they went to. Same way with motor cowlings. The motor cowlings were
cheap and they are several hundred $ if you buy one new but
I looked on E-Bay and was surprised to find that most of them on there only brought $15 - $50.
They have some nice vintage boats in the showroom, don't they ? I would love to have that brand new 80s model 13'
they have standing up verticle. It doesn't even have holes
in the stern - no motor has ever been mounted on it.
What time did you go ? I was there around noon on Friday, the first day.
Knot at Work posted 09-26-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)
Fellas I went to the Killinger Owners tournament at Holiday Marina last Saturday, Sean told me that the Menemsha in the show room was refinished. It was sold new my Mr Killinger to a guy somewhere, he was able to buy it back and they restored it.
Curious what will happen to it now. It is a good looking boat.

Didnt know they had a tent sale, Damn!

Jeff
Florida15 posted 09-26-2003 10:22 AM ET (US)
Knot,both of those boats there in the back of the showroom
are restored. One of the salesmen several years ago told me that the Menemsha was sold new by Killinger to a guy in Pensacola and that Mr.Killinger tried for years to get him to sell it back to him. I don't remember if the guy finally got too old to use it or he bought it from his heirs but he finally got it back. I don't know if MarineMax will keep it in the showroom or if the Killingers will take it.
The 13' standing up vertically is not restored. It is brand new original. It's an anniversary edition. What year would that be, 1988 ?
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-26-2003 12:12 PM ET (US)
Jimh:
NEW cars!
Whalerdan posted 09-26-2003 12:44 PM ET (US)

Hey Jim,
Ever hear of Rick Hendrick? Rick Hendrick Toyota, Rick Hendrick Dodge, Rick Hendrick Chevrolet....
Danny
kgregg posted 09-26-2003 01:36 PM ET (US)
Danny-
I guess that JimH was referring to a car dealer selling cars from multiple domestic manufacturers under the same roof. I'm pretty sure that Rick Hendrick's Dodge dealership has a different mailing address from the Hendrick Toyota dealership.
Kevin

jimh posted 09-26-2003 01:41 PM ET (US)
Never heard of them.
I guess if you live in some hamlet you might get a Chevrolet/Pontiac/Buick/Olds/Cadillac/GMC dealer. I've seen that in some small jerkwater towns.
I don't think you'll see Brunswick Boat Group makin' too many deals where the Whaler franchise is handed out to guys that sell Yamaha, Bombardier, Grady-White, Scout, or GenMar brand boats/motors.
But you go ahead and prove me wrong.
Florida15 posted 09-26-2003 02:03 PM ET (US)
Maybe it's because they are an old Boston Whaler dealer so
Brunswick doesn't mess with them but Killinger in Pensacola sells Merc,Yamaha and Johnson.
Besides Whaler they also sell Grady White, Scout and Sea Ray.
waterguy posted 09-26-2003 02:06 PM ET (US)
Here in our 'jerkwater' town the local big car dealer sells Ford and Jeep. Seems to work well to me. Why not get the guy who is on the fence about choice to make his choice with you?
gnr posted 09-26-2003 02:11 PM ET (US)
BW dealer in Southern Vermont sells Honda outboards.
Course it is probably considered a hamlet or jerkwater town (can anyone tell me the difference?) so I guess it doesn't count...
Whalerdan posted 09-26-2003 02:28 PM ET (US)

RH is probably the biggest car dealer in the US. They have dealerships from California to here in South Carolina. I'm not positive but I believe I remember seeing them sell two different brands under the same roof in California.
Whalerdan posted 09-26-2003 02:36 PM ET (US)
http://www1.dupont.com/NASApp/dupontglobal/corp/index.jsp?page=/content/US/en_US/overview/motorsports/hendrick-profile.html
Whalerdan posted 09-26-2003 02:39 PM ET (US)

2.3Billion! I'll live in Jerkwater for that!
2manyboats posted 09-26-2003 04:59 PM ET (US)
jerkwater? isn't that where knowitall yankees live
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-26-2003 05:33 PM ET (US)
No, only people from S.E. MI
Barney posted 09-26-2003 05:42 PM ET (US)
Where are you "2manyboats"? Everyone that lives north of I-10 is a Yankee. Jim
Florida15 posted 09-26-2003 06:21 PM ET (US)
Southeast Michigan ?
Knot at Work posted 09-26-2003 07:15 PM ET (US)
Barney,
Please make an exception for me and Florida we live in Pace and we are about 15 miles north of I-10 too close to be called a Yankee.....
Barney posted 09-26-2003 08:33 PM ET (US)
Knot, I've been in Pace to buy Ford Mustang parts when I had a 66 model. I guess we'll let you in the club! The south of I-10 thing is a joke around here. BTW I was in the Civil Engineering Corp. Jim
Perry posted 09-26-2003 10:12 PM ET (US)
The Boston Whaler dealership here on Oahu also sells Sea Ray, Glacier Bay, Pro-Sport, Glass-Pro, Triumph and Twin Vee. As for outboard motors, they sell Evinrude, Johnson, Yamaha and Honda. I guess they have not updated their web site because they don't include Mercury. Up until this year they did not sell Mercury's but because of the package deal thing, they sell them on Boston Whalers now.
Florida15 posted 09-27-2003 12:20 PM ET (US)
Jim, you must've visited Salter's to buy those parts.
They do a great job. I have drooled in their showroom
many times. I drove a '67 all through college and wish I had it back. Got a big $700 when I traded it in on my new 1979 Cutlass Supreme. But then, hindsight is 20/20.
Barney posted 09-27-2003 01:06 PM ET (US)
Florida, That's the place. Is Salter's still there? My 66 is gone too. I went through the car twice and used as a daily driver, the salt air does a number on the old metal. Jim
2manyboats posted 09-27-2003 01:42 PM ET (US)
south of i-10 gautier
Barney posted 09-27-2003 03:40 PM ET (US)
South Gulfport here.
Florida15 posted 09-27-2003 04:09 PM ET (US)
Oh yeh, Salter's is still there turning 'em out.
My wife went to school with the owner. They apparently have quite a reputation nationwide. I drive by occasionally and
peek in the showroom. From what I understand people from all over send their Mustangs to them for restoration. I know I was in there a couple of years ago and they were restoring a Shelby for some guy up north. It's amazing what
those cars are worth these days.
Barney posted 09-27-2003 05:00 PM ET (US)
Small world, guy I used to know here had been restoring Mustangs as a hobby and knew the folks over in Pace real well. He helped me alot on mine. Kinda like this Forum but a neighbor. After he retired from Sears, he worked with Salter's. That was over 10 years ago.
Moe posted 09-27-2003 05:54 PM ET (US)
Panhandle natives used to joke and tell tourists they were from LA...
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Barney posted 09-27-2003 06:18 PM ET (US)
Moe, As a Pensacola native you probably will want to come back down here in the next month or so. Brrrrrrrrr. Jim
bwmenemsha posted 09-27-2003 08:40 PM ET (US)
What irony!!! l just drove by Salters today for the 1st time in ten years.....they have the big window facing roadside that allows you to see the "Tangs" sitting side by side awaiting there turn.
Florida15 posted 09-27-2003 10:20 PM ET (US)
Sorry JimH, sometimes these things just take on a life of their own.
Barney posted 09-27-2003 10:58 PM ET (US)
Oh yeah, JimH, don't forget the Classic Mustangs in the Topic. This one has gone on all over the place. I now know there are several nice folks in the Pensacola/Pace area that own Whalers. Oh yeah, Whalers!
alkar posted 09-28-2003 01:09 AM ET (US)
Do you Pensacola guys know anything about Brown's Marine?
I bought a boat from them, and I'm interested in any information you can provide...(via e-mail).
OutrageMan posted 09-28-2003 01:21 PM ET (US)
Twin Cities Marine in Two Rivers Wisconsin sells both Whaler and Grady White, in addition to Yamaha and Mercury engines.
Brian
jimh posted 09-28-2003 03:19 PM ET (US)
Not a problem--can always change the topic.
JFM posted 09-28-2003 08:18 PM ET (US)
OK JIM I think they get the point, why don't you make like a sheepherder and get the flock out of here.
Or you can add to the post some more, so we that want to, can't see anything else! If not I'll add to this with stories of my Ranger Dealer buddy.
Regards, Jay
P.S. It sure makes the site look like crap!
Knot at Work posted 09-28-2003 08:43 PM ET (US)
All, I am not sure how we did/said anything wrong to upset anyone and require all the sarcasim, seems we were more upsetting to all of you by talking about the Pensacola Whaler dealers, then the whole lawyer strand.
Jimh, please just delete this strand so none of us folks from Pensacola will comment and offend any of you classic purists..
I will just motor around the Pensacola Pass and Bay in my 170, NOT A CLASSIC AS I AM SO REMINDED Boston Whaler... Hell I might even put a "CAROLINA SKIFF" Sticker on it so I can blend in a little better....
slinking away and probably not looking back.
Jeff
jimh posted 09-28-2003 08:56 PM ET (US)
jay--Good advice. Let's try this:
"Dealership Sold"
[TOPIC was "Lists of Small Towns and Car Dealers--Hyperlinks to Bios of Successful Car Dealers--Yankee and I-10 Jokes--Bargains at the Closeout Sale now that its over--Weather in Pensacola--Good Places to get Mustang Parts--Brands of Boats Sold at Twin Cities Marine--Brand of Engines Sold at Twin Cities Marine"--jimh]
Barney posted 09-28-2003 09:01 PM ET (US)
Jeff, Stay with us. Jim
JFM posted 09-28-2003 09:44 PM ET (US)
Thanks Jim,
The site looks like the great class of old!
Regards, Jay
Knot at Work posted 09-29-2003 07:14 AM ET (US)
Okay I tried to put the Carolina Skiff sticker on my whaler but a bunch of circus midgets appeared with poodles and fire hoops, and stole the sticker!
staying put
Jeff
Robob2003 posted 09-29-2003 10:23 AM ET (US)
Marine Max in Clearwater, Fl. sells Whaler, Hatteras and Sea Ray and maybe others. Is there a different mix of brands at their other locations?
Bob on Tampa Bay
Whalerdan posted 09-29-2003 11:48 AM ET (US)

Sorry about the Rick Hendrick thing there Jim. Just wanted to point out you didn't have to live in a hamlet to find a dealer that sold more than one brand, and I thought, you being from Michigan and all, you might be interest in who sells all those cars you guys make up there.
Wonder why automakers aren't afraid to let their dealers sell other brands, but Brunswick is? Seems like it should be against the law to try and monopolize the business like that.
(That should fire up Brunswick and Attorney mongers;))
ducktwin posted 09-29-2003 04:20 PM ET (US)
Hendrick Automotive may have many domestic brands-true.
However, you will NEVER see domestics (from different corps.-GM/Ford) being sold under the same roof.
The only exceptions to that are some old Chrysler/Ford combos. They are rare and are no longer available. The different mailing address explanation is VERY valid and true.
All this from someone south of I-10 and about 2500 miles west.
Marinemax dumped Whaler here too.
Barney posted 09-29-2003 07:33 PM ET (US)
Wow, Marine Max must be a large outfit. It's a shame they dumped Whaler. Whalers on the lakes of Arizona must be a fine thing. However, I think the Yankee line diverts down to I-8 in AZ.
ducktwin posted 09-30-2003 12:29 AM ET (US)
OK Barney, you got me on the I-8 issue. :-))
Yes, Whalers here are as rare as hens teeth.
Marinemax (here) deals in only "flashy" boats and charges flashy prices for them.
I almost bought their last Montauk. It was a '01' with a 90 Merc 2 stroke and a Shore Land'r trailer. There were asking $15,300 for it including a bimini and fish package.
I'm still kicking myself over that lack of judgement.
Whalerdan posted 09-30-2003 01:14 PM ET (US)
Go check these two places out. I know they have different "addresses" but you'd have to be paying close attention to to tell they aren't the same building when you drive by.
Rick Hendrick Chevrolet
(843) 571-7500 1500 Savannah Hwy
Charleston, SC
Hendrick Rick Dodge
(843) 763-8400 1468 Savannah Hwy
Charleston, SC
Florida15 posted 09-30-2003 01:59 PM ET (US)
I was at Killinger Marine Max at noon today. The now infamous 2002 Montauk is in the showroom on a cradle. It's a good looking boat. It has the front cushion, bimini top, fishing package and a 27 gallon Pate. The salesman told me the Pate was standard then but is not now.
The sign on the boat said $22,500.
Knot at Work posted 09-30-2003 02:38 PM ET (US)
Florida,
Did you ask if they are having any other sales?
Jeff
Florida15 posted 09-30-2003 06:58 PM ET (US)
Naw, didn't think about it. Probably not.They rarely do except maybe in the spring. I looked at the Montauk and talked to a salesman a few minutes. I was looking at the new 15' and asked him the price. He said he was selling them all day long for $16,500 when Killinger had the place and now Marine Max's "discount" price is $14,900. I didn't have the heart to tell him I stopped at Killinger's in Fort Walton last summer and the salesman gave me a price of $12,900.

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Author	Topic: Dealership Sold
Knot at Work	posted 09-25-2003 11:32 AM ET (US) Hey whalers, Killinger Marine down here in Pensacola sold out to Marine Max. Thought you would want to know. My 170 Montauk maybe the last Whaler sold by them. We will see. Jeff
Moe	posted 09-25-2003 12:49 PM ET (US) As a Pensacola native, this breaks my heart! -- Moe
Knot at Work	posted 09-25-2003 02:00 PM ET (US) Moe, yes it is sad. Big time Name and products with a small town feel. Hopefully they will be as responsive as the reputation they have built. Great group of folks, from the time you walk in the door until the the first sea trial on your Whaler... Jeff
jameso	posted 09-25-2003 02:44 PM ET (US) Although I had limited dealings with them I do hate to see them go. Afraid this is more of the trend for small, customer oriented, companies to go by the way. I would think that Brunswick would be concerned too. Sea Island Marine in Beaufort SC and Lockwood Marine in Darien GA are the only true Whaler dealers in our area now. I won't count SeaRay of Savannah, name says it all. Jim Armstrong
Florida15	posted 09-25-2003 04:30 PM ET (US) They had a tent sale a couple of weeks ago. You could get a great deal on engine cowlings (if you needed those particular ones), tops, covers,misc. parts, etc. But you had to know what you were looking at because the salesmen didn't know what boat they went on. They have been advertising new 2002 Johnson 175s for $6995 and new 2002 Evinrude 90s for $4995. I was hoping they would have some deals on 50s or 60s but no such luck.
mtbadfish	posted 09-25-2003 07:17 PM ET (US) Evidently MarineMax Killinger is savvy enough to know where to go looking for Whaler enthusiats. It might be that continuouswave.com is one of the first venues that they used to advertise a surplus Whaler. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004783.html
jimh	posted 09-25-2003 09:09 PM ET (US) I think you will see more dealer consolidation among Brunswick brands. One thing that Brunswick wants from its boat dealers is that they do not sell competing brands. If an old line Boston Whaler dealer sold Yamaha outboards, they probably have been pressured to switch to Mercury. If a Whaler dealer sold a brand that competed with another Brunswick boat, for example Sea Ray competitor, the dealer might have been similarly pressured to drop the competition. Brunswick wants dealers to become more closely allied with its brands, and to commit to long term deals, say ten years or more. For the Brunswick Boat Group (see list of ten brands below), the model of success is Sea Ray. Selling Sea Rays has made millions of dollars for Brunswick and for the dealers that sell them, and that model is going to be applied to the other brands, too. The Boston Whaler boat is probably the finest brand name in all of boating, and any dealer would be glad to have it. Why not keep a jewel like Whaler in the family, with dealers sell Mercury engines, with dealer selling other Brunswick boats? It just makes sense. Hey, you don't see a car dealer selling Chevrolet's and Ford's. BRUNSWICK BOAT GROUP BRANDS --Baja --Bayliner --Boston Whaler --Hatteras --Maxum --Meridian --Princecraft --Sea Ray --Sealine --Trophy --Land 'n' Sea (Parts and Accessories) --Attwood (Part/Accessory manufacturer)
GAwhale	posted 09-25-2003 09:26 PM ET (US) I just noticed that TAL Marine, north of Atlanta is no longer listed as a Whaler dealership. It is now Bolling Bridge Marine with two locations. Acworth, GA which would cover Lake Alatoona and Gainsville, GA which would cover Lake Lanier. TAL did not have Whaler for long and carries several other brands. Does anyone have the scoop on why TAL dropped the Whaler brand??? I bought my Montauk from TAL early in 2001.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-25-2003 09:52 PM ET (US) Guess that Atlanta is not a Whaler market, Boating Atlanta had Whaler prior to TAL and could't make a go of it. TAL also sells Yamaha and that may also be a reason behind it. Before TAL Stovall was the dealer and they don't sell Whaler either even though they are Marine Max.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-25-2003 09:55 PM ET (US) Mr. Webmeister; "Hey, you don't see a car dealer selling Chevrolet's and Ford's" I see the Dealer where I purchased my GMC Chevrolet/GMC ALSO sells Fords!
jimh	posted 09-26-2003 12:17 AM ET (US) New or Used cars? Boy, in SE Michigan, you'd never see a new retail car store selling mixed domestic brands. Maybe Buick and Honda, but never something like Chevrolet and Ford. How big is that town you live in?
bwmenemsha	posted 09-26-2003 05:09 AM ET (US) Fla 15...were you at the Killinger marine yard sale? That was quite a hoot. l bought several hundred $$$$ worth of stuff for peanuts. l watched the fellow and gal load up all the wood in boxes and carry them out just as l got there. These are the items folks were talking about on E-bay (cooler cleats and such), if you knew what he paid for the boxes of mahogany wood you would be ill, but he did exactly what l would and put them on Ebay. I wished l had more $$$$ with me as l would have bought some of those cowlings and several of the many BW and Searay bimini tops with all the hardware for $30.00 a copy, probably 10% of retail. I did buy some brand new SS rails for the Sha for 20...initially l was not sure about the size and fit so l used killingers menemsha in the showroom to check it out....worked out real well. That was a sale that comes around once in a lifetime...and they fed ya with dawgs and burgers to boot.
Florida15	posted 09-26-2003 09:24 AM ET (US) Yep, I was there. There were some steals but you had to need that particular piece and you had to know what you were looking at. There were a bunch of BW cushions that were a steal if you needed them and knew what they went to. Same way with motor cowlings. The motor cowlings were cheap and they are several hundred $ if you buy one new but I looked on E-Bay and was surprised to find that most of them on there only brought $15 - $50. They have some nice vintage boats in the showroom, don't they ? I would love to have that brand new 80s model 13' they have standing up verticle. It doesn't even have holes in the stern - no motor has ever been mounted on it. What time did you go ? I was there around noon on Friday, the first day.
Knot at Work	posted 09-26-2003 09:39 AM ET (US) Fellas I went to the Killinger Owners tournament at Holiday Marina last Saturday, Sean told me that the Menemsha in the show room was refinished. It was sold new my Mr Killinger to a guy somewhere, he was able to buy it back and they restored it. Curious what will happen to it now. It is a good looking boat. Didnt know they had a tent sale, Damn! Jeff
Florida15	posted 09-26-2003 10:22 AM ET (US) Knot,both of those boats there in the back of the showroom are restored. One of the salesmen several years ago told me that the Menemsha was sold new by Killinger to a guy in Pensacola and that Mr.Killinger tried for years to get him to sell it back to him. I don't remember if the guy finally got too old to use it or he bought it from his heirs but he finally got it back. I don't know if MarineMax will keep it in the showroom or if the Killingers will take it. The 13' standing up vertically is not restored. It is brand new original. It's an anniversary edition. What year would that be, 1988 ?
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-26-2003 12:12 PM ET (US) Jimh: NEW cars!
Whalerdan	posted 09-26-2003 12:44 PM ET (US) Hey Jim, Ever hear of Rick Hendrick? Rick Hendrick Toyota, Rick Hendrick Dodge, Rick Hendrick Chevrolet.... Danny
kgregg	posted 09-26-2003 01:36 PM ET (US) Danny- I guess that JimH was referring to a car dealer selling cars from multiple domestic manufacturers under the same roof. I'm pretty sure that Rick Hendrick's Dodge dealership has a different mailing address from the Hendrick Toyota dealership. Kevin
jimh	posted 09-26-2003 01:41 PM ET (US) Never heard of them. I guess if you live in some hamlet you might get a Chevrolet/Pontiac/Buick/Olds/Cadillac/GMC dealer. I've seen that in some small jerkwater towns. I don't think you'll see Brunswick Boat Group makin' too many deals where the Whaler franchise is handed out to guys that sell Yamaha, Bombardier, Grady-White, Scout, or GenMar brand boats/motors. But you go ahead and prove me wrong.
Florida15	posted 09-26-2003 02:03 PM ET (US) Maybe it's because they are an old Boston Whaler dealer so Brunswick doesn't mess with them but Killinger in Pensacola sells Merc,Yamaha and Johnson. Besides Whaler they also sell Grady White, Scout and Sea Ray.
waterguy	posted 09-26-2003 02:06 PM ET (US) Here in our 'jerkwater' town the local big car dealer sells Ford and Jeep. Seems to work well to me. Why not get the guy who is on the fence about choice to make his choice with you?
gnr	posted 09-26-2003 02:11 PM ET (US) BW dealer in Southern Vermont sells Honda outboards. Course it is probably considered a hamlet or jerkwater town (can anyone tell me the difference?) so I guess it doesn't count...
Whalerdan	posted 09-26-2003 02:28 PM ET (US) RH is probably the biggest car dealer in the US. They have dealerships from California to here in South Carolina. I'm not positive but I believe I remember seeing them sell two different brands under the same roof in California.
Whalerdan	posted 09-26-2003 02:36 PM ET (US) http://www1.dupont.com/NASApp/dupontglobal/corp/index.jsp?page=/content/US/en_US/overview/motorsports/hendrick-profile.html
Whalerdan	posted 09-26-2003 02:39 PM ET (US) 2.3Billion! I'll live in Jerkwater for that!
2manyboats	posted 09-26-2003 04:59 PM ET (US) jerkwater? isn't that where knowitall yankees live
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-26-2003 05:33 PM ET (US) No, only people from S.E. MI
Barney	posted 09-26-2003 05:42 PM ET (US) Where are you "2manyboats"? Everyone that lives north of I-10 is a Yankee. Jim
Florida15	posted 09-26-2003 06:21 PM ET (US) Southeast Michigan ?
Knot at Work	posted 09-26-2003 07:15 PM ET (US) Barney, Please make an exception for me and Florida we live in Pace and we are about 15 miles north of I-10 too close to be called a Yankee.....
Barney	posted 09-26-2003 08:33 PM ET (US) Knot, I've been in Pace to buy Ford Mustang parts when I had a 66 model. I guess we'll let you in the club! The south of I-10 thing is a joke around here. BTW I was in the Civil Engineering Corp. Jim
Perry	posted 09-26-2003 10:12 PM ET (US) The Boston Whaler dealership here on Oahu also sells Sea Ray, Glacier Bay, Pro-Sport, Glass-Pro, Triumph and Twin Vee. As for outboard motors, they sell Evinrude, Johnson, Yamaha and Honda. I guess they have not updated their web site because they don't include Mercury. Up until this year they did not sell Mercury's but because of the package deal thing, they sell them on Boston Whalers now.
Florida15	posted 09-27-2003 12:20 PM ET (US) Jim, you must've visited Salter's to buy those parts. They do a great job. I have drooled in their showroom many times. I drove a '67 all through college and wish I had it back. Got a big $700 when I traded it in on my new 1979 Cutlass Supreme. But then, hindsight is 20/20.
Barney	posted 09-27-2003 01:06 PM ET (US) Florida, That's the place. Is Salter's still there? My 66 is gone too. I went through the car twice and used as a daily driver, the salt air does a number on the old metal. Jim
2manyboats	posted 09-27-2003 01:42 PM ET (US) south of i-10 gautier
Barney	posted 09-27-2003 03:40 PM ET (US) South Gulfport here.
Florida15	posted 09-27-2003 04:09 PM ET (US) Oh yeh, Salter's is still there turning 'em out. My wife went to school with the owner. They apparently have quite a reputation nationwide. I drive by occasionally and peek in the showroom. From what I understand people from all over send their Mustangs to them for restoration. I know I was in there a couple of years ago and they were restoring a Shelby for some guy up north. It's amazing what those cars are worth these days.
Barney	posted 09-27-2003 05:00 PM ET (US) Small world, guy I used to know here had been restoring Mustangs as a hobby and knew the folks over in Pace real well. He helped me alot on mine. Kinda like this Forum but a neighbor. After he retired from Sears, he worked with Salter's. That was over 10 years ago.
Moe	posted 09-27-2003 05:54 PM ET (US) Panhandle natives used to joke and tell tourists they were from LA... \| V \| V \| V \| V Lower Alabama
Barney	posted 09-27-2003 06:18 PM ET (US) Moe, As a Pensacola native you probably will want to come back down here in the next month or so. Brrrrrrrrr. Jim
bwmenemsha	posted 09-27-2003 08:40 PM ET (US) What irony!!! l just drove by Salters today for the 1st time in ten years.....they have the big window facing roadside that allows you to see the "Tangs" sitting side by side awaiting there turn.
Florida15	posted 09-27-2003 10:20 PM ET (US) Sorry JimH, sometimes these things just take on a life of their own.
Barney	posted 09-27-2003 10:58 PM ET (US) Oh yeah, JimH, don't forget the Classic Mustangs in the Topic. This one has gone on all over the place. I now know there are several nice folks in the Pensacola/Pace area that own Whalers. Oh yeah, Whalers!
alkar	posted 09-28-2003 01:09 AM ET (US) Do you Pensacola guys know anything about Brown's Marine? I bought a boat from them, and I'm interested in any information you can provide...(via e-mail).
OutrageMan	posted 09-28-2003 01:21 PM ET (US) Twin Cities Marine in Two Rivers Wisconsin sells both Whaler and Grady White, in addition to Yamaha and Mercury engines. Brian
jimh	posted 09-28-2003 03:19 PM ET (US) Not a problem--can always change the topic.
JFM	posted 09-28-2003 08:18 PM ET (US) OK JIM I think they get the point, why don't you make like a sheepherder and get the flock out of here. Or you can add to the post some more, so we that want to, can't see anything else! If not I'll add to this with stories of my Ranger Dealer buddy. Regards, Jay P.S. It sure makes the site look like crap!
Knot at Work	posted 09-28-2003 08:43 PM ET (US) All, I am not sure how we did/said anything wrong to upset anyone and require all the sarcasim, seems we were more upsetting to all of you by talking about the Pensacola Whaler dealers, then the whole lawyer strand. Jimh, please just delete this strand so none of us folks from Pensacola will comment and offend any of you classic purists.. I will just motor around the Pensacola Pass and Bay in my 170, NOT A CLASSIC AS I AM SO REMINDED Boston Whaler... Hell I might even put a "CAROLINA SKIFF" Sticker on it so I can blend in a little better.... slinking away and probably not looking back. Jeff
jimh	posted 09-28-2003 08:56 PM ET (US) jay--Good advice. Let's try this: "Dealership Sold" [TOPIC was "Lists of Small Towns and Car Dealers--Hyperlinks to Bios of Successful Car Dealers--Yankee and I-10 Jokes--Bargains at the Closeout Sale now that its over--Weather in Pensacola--Good Places to get Mustang Parts--Brands of Boats Sold at Twin Cities Marine--Brand of Engines Sold at Twin Cities Marine"--jimh]
Barney	posted 09-28-2003 09:01 PM ET (US) Jeff, Stay with us. Jim
JFM	posted 09-28-2003 09:44 PM ET (US) Thanks Jim, The site looks like the great class of old! Regards, Jay
Knot at Work	posted 09-29-2003 07:14 AM ET (US) Okay I tried to put the Carolina Skiff sticker on my whaler but a bunch of circus midgets appeared with poodles and fire hoops, and stole the sticker! staying put Jeff
Robob2003	posted 09-29-2003 10:23 AM ET (US) Marine Max in Clearwater, Fl. sells Whaler, Hatteras and Sea Ray and maybe others. Is there a different mix of brands at their other locations? Bob on Tampa Bay
Whalerdan	posted 09-29-2003 11:48 AM ET (US) Sorry about the Rick Hendrick thing there Jim. Just wanted to point out you didn't have to live in a hamlet to find a dealer that sold more than one brand, and I thought, you being from Michigan and all, you might be interest in who sells all those cars you guys make up there. Wonder why automakers aren't afraid to let their dealers sell other brands, but Brunswick is? Seems like it should be against the law to try and monopolize the business like that. (That should fire up Brunswick and Attorney mongers;))
ducktwin	posted 09-29-2003 04:20 PM ET (US) Hendrick Automotive may have many domestic brands-true. However, you will NEVER see domestics (from different corps.-GM/Ford) being sold under the same roof. The only exceptions to that are some old Chrysler/Ford combos. They are rare and are no longer available. The different mailing address explanation is VERY valid and true. All this from someone south of I-10 and about 2500 miles west. Marinemax dumped Whaler here too.
Barney	posted 09-29-2003 07:33 PM ET (US) Wow, Marine Max must be a large outfit. It's a shame they dumped Whaler. Whalers on the lakes of Arizona must be a fine thing. However, I think the Yankee line diverts down to I-8 in AZ.
ducktwin	posted 09-30-2003 12:29 AM ET (US) OK Barney, you got me on the I-8 issue. :-)) Yes, Whalers here are as rare as hens teeth. Marinemax (here) deals in only "flashy" boats and charges flashy prices for them. I almost bought their last Montauk. It was a '01' with a 90 Merc 2 stroke and a Shore Land'r trailer. There were asking $15,300 for it including a bimini and fish package. I'm still kicking myself over that lack of judgement.
Whalerdan	posted 09-30-2003 01:14 PM ET (US) Go check these two places out. I know they have different "addresses" but you'd have to be paying close attention to to tell they aren't the same building when you drive by. Rick Hendrick Chevrolet (843) 571-7500 1500 Savannah Hwy Charleston, SC Hendrick Rick Dodge (843) 763-8400 1468 Savannah Hwy Charleston, SC
Florida15	posted 09-30-2003 01:59 PM ET (US) I was at Killinger Marine Max at noon today. The now infamous 2002 Montauk is in the showroom on a cradle. It's a good looking boat. It has the front cushion, bimini top, fishing package and a 27 gallon Pate. The salesman told me the Pate was standard then but is not now. The sign on the boat said $22,500.
Knot at Work	posted 09-30-2003 02:38 PM ET (US) Florida, Did you ask if they are having any other sales? Jeff
Florida15	posted 09-30-2003 06:58 PM ET (US) Naw, didn't think about it. Probably not.They rarely do except maybe in the spring. I looked at the Montauk and talked to a salesman a few minutes. I was looking at the new 15' and asked him the price. He said he was selling them all day long for $16,500 when Killinger had the place and now Marine Max's "discount" price is $14,900. I didn't have the heart to tell him I stopped at Killinger's in Fort Walton last summer and the salesman gave me a price of $12,900.