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jimh posted 01-01-2006 04:44 PM ET (US)   Profile for jimh   Send Email to jimh  
Approaching the dock is always a tense moment for boaters, and particularly when you have a new (and expensive) boat and are coming into a new port where you are not familiar with the waters and local docks, etc. A similar situation occurred recently, although on a somewhat larger scale than most Boston Whaler owners experience.

The recently built USCGC MACKINAW WLBB 30, a new replacement for the beloved USCGC MACKINAW WAGB 83, was on a cruise from the builders in Marinette, Wisconsin to her home port of Cheboygan, Michigan under U.S. Coast Guard command. The Coast Guard had just taken over the ship from Marinette Marine Corporation, a subsidiary of The Manitowoc Company, Inc. on November 16, 2005. On Monday, December 12, 2005, she was calling on South Haven, Michigan to make a planned public relations appearance. Coming up the entrance between the breakwalls, something went awry on the new $90-million ship. She made an abrupt right turn and rammed the breakwall, hitting it hard enough to do (by one report an estimated $100,000) damage to the structure. The allision with the breakwall also caused a rather visible 8-foot by 3-foot dent in the new ship's bow.

Considering that the new USCGC MACKINAW is designed as an icebreaker, you would anticipate that her bow is rather well designed and reinforced to sustain heavy blows and repeated contact with ice. The impact with the breakwall must have been quite a bang to dent her structure like that. The damage to the bow was painted over, but the vessel remained in port for two extra days while a careful inspection was made to determine the extent of the damage. This resulted in the cancellation of other planned PR stops (in Sault St. Marie and Rogers City) on the route to Cheboygan.

The commanding officer was relieved of his command pending an investigation, and the new ship left port under a new captain. The MACKINAW arrived in Cheboygan without further incident, where a welcoming ceremony and gala was held, albeit perhaps with some slight damper on the festivities due to the awkward situation with her commanding officer and the pending investigation.

According to some observers, it is highly unusual for a commanding officer to return to a vessel after being relieved of command in a situation like this. However, this is a somewhat unusual situation in that the captain had been involved in two years of specialized training in preparation for command of the new vessel.

The new MACKINAW has some rather different propulsion systems, including twin ABB Azipods that provide her main ship's thrust. The immediate explanation for the maneuvering problem coming up the harbor entrance blamed a junior officer and his unfamiliarity with control systems.


A few interesting articles on this incident and some background:

The Old MACKINAW
http://continuouswave.com/boats/mackinaw/

The New MACKINAW
http://www.mightymac.org/mackinawlaunch1.htm
(Shows the Azipod propulsion system.)

Coast Guard icebreaker crashes into Grand Haven pier
http://www.twincities.com

Mac's captain bumped down after ship's ram incident
http://www.mlive.com

phatwhaler posted 01-01-2006 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for phatwhaler  Send Email to phatwhaler     
From what I read Capt Triner assumed full responsibility for the incident. Blaming it on a J.O. is a bunch of b.s.
Here's a video of the incident.

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/videoarchiveplayerframe.asp?cmd=view& articleid=7649

They should have had the BMC on the bridge and everything would have been fine. :-)

phatwhaler out.

jimh posted 01-01-2006 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
A local paper (Muskegon Chronicle) reported:

"After the incident Monday, Triner publicly accepted responsibility for the collision. He said when the Mackinaw began veering unexpectedly to the starboard, a junior officer was at the helm. Triner said he took control of the helm but it was too late to avoid striking the seawall.

"'It was inexperience with the control system and we made mistakes,' Triner told The Chronicle in an interview about an hour after the collision. 'I tried to let someone bail themselves out longer than I should have. But again, I'm the captain -- it's my fault.'"

See: http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-4/ 1134753302195500.xml&coll=8 for the full article.

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Here is the ship's homepage:

http://www.uscg.mil/d9/glib/DEFAULT.htm


I watched the video, too. It looked to me like the ship just veered hard right and hit the breakwall as it was coming down the entrance.

Outraged posted 01-01-2006 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Outraged  Send Email to Outraged     
The ship was open to the public the next day for a couple of hours in the morning before they left for their next port. A friend and I went aboard for the tour, as well as quite a few others for a cold day in December. The ship was very impressive, heated windows in the wheelhouse, state of the art electronics, and titanium propellors made in Russia. It was to be working along with the older Mackinaw thru this winter, and tenative commisioning is listed as 6/09/06, according to the brochure we were handed. It will probably visit again for Coast Guard festival in Grand Haven.
ConB posted 01-01-2006 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
I sure felt bad for the crew of the new Mackinaw, scuffing up the new boat with all of Michigan and others watching.
The old Mackinaw is a better looking boat though.
Con
PeteB88 posted 01-01-2006 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Does the new icebreaker have the third propeller forward to suck water out from under ice slabs? That sounds pretty cool.
RJG posted 01-01-2006 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for RJG  Send Email to RJG     
Is it possible that someone inadvertantly turned on the bow thruster? That was a real hard turn.
TomG posted 01-01-2006 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
I went down to take a look at it the day after the accident. The dent in the bow was an ugly reminder of the collision. The rest of their "shakedown" cruise (to the other Lake Michigan ports) was cancelled until the bow could be repaired. And, the captain was put on temporary suspension pending a full investigation. Apparently the damage to the seawall is not as extensive as originally feared...but it will be a while before all is back to normal.
where2 posted 01-01-2006 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
After growing up with outboard power and that short little stint where dad had a tunnel drive inboard (Penn-Yan) while I was away at college, imagine my dismay when first attempting to dock the Rage_15.

As a result, I can understand the problem well: It's a completely different propulsion system, a completely different hull design, and twin engines to make life more interesting. I'm sure if you slip one engine into forward and one into reverse you can walk that ship right up to a dock. Or, if you accidentally shift each engine into the opposite gear you can smash the bow into the bulkhead rather abruptly.

cgodfrey posted 01-01-2006 11:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for cgodfrey  Send Email to cgodfrey     
Anyone seen a video from another angle? or better yet, with sound? I'm curious to hear the "uh ohhh!"s of the onlookers and the ker-screeech of hull on seawall. Just morbid curiousity.
Speedo66 posted 01-02-2006 09:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Speedo66  Send Email to Speedo66     
$90,000,000?!!!!! To break ice? Just throw a big party on the lake, you always run out of ice.
deepwater posted 01-02-2006 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
i see he was observing the no wake in the no wake zone,,and who among us havent said ooooooooooooooh sssssssssssss,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,t
jeffs22outrage posted 01-02-2006 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeffs22outrage  Send Email to jeffs22outrage     
I was over in at the in-laws in Grand Haven for Christmas however, I did not get any free time to head down to the pier to look at it. Still over a week later it was the talk of the of the town.

Over the summer I was on the Old Mackinaw during the Coast Guard Festival in Grand Haven. On the stern deck there was a PO standing next to a nice display and presentation of the New Mackinaw. I asked him what the public's reaction to the new Mackinaw. He said probably 90% of the people did not like it. I had to agree on the design of the new ship does not seem as grand as the ship of old but, the technology does out weight the design.

With our winters as of late who needs an Ice Breaker in these parts anyway?

whalerfran posted 01-03-2006 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerfran    
The captain was unquestionably responsible. He should not have stood by and allowed a junior officer to try to bail himself out at the wheel of a $90M ship. Any other employer would have fired the captain.
uhu posted 01-03-2006 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for uhu  Send Email to uhu     
I dunno - maybe just me, but he sure seemed to be going fast - at least too fast for that narrow an entrance. Then it would be the captains fault for not crrecting his speed.
capedave posted 01-03-2006 07:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for capedave  Send Email to capedave     
I too would say he was going to fast, hit the dock to prove it. The first thing you should lean as CAPTAIN is to lean how your boat handles FIRST. Speed most of the time comming to a dock is not your friend.
They should paint his name in the dent, on the boat and the dock.

Dave EX MK USCG

cgodfrey posted 01-03-2006 08:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for cgodfrey  Send Email to cgodfrey     
quote:
$90,000,000?!!!!! To break ice?

I share Speedo's sentiment.

I understand the need for icebreakers: they keep vital lanes of commerce open, and can help prevent ice damage to things like bridges that can cost tens of millions to repair.

I also understand this vessel is most likely stupefyingly state of the art, and having one of the most advanced ship on the water anywhere in the world can't be cheap.

But that begs the question, why do you need such an expensive, advanced ship to break ice, something that's been unglamourously* practiced since the 1860s?

Maybe it's answering my own question, but is the old WWII era Mackinaw so expensive to operate, that a new $90m dollar ship is actually more cost effective?

I'm not trying to sound like an old curmudgeon, I'm just curious.

-Chris

*No disrespect meant to the Coast Guard. Regardless of this incident, I think they are Maritime & Aviation Professionals of the highest caliber.

Chuck Tribolet posted 01-03-2006 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Come in too slow, and wind+current wins out.


Chuck

JimG posted 01-03-2006 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for JimG  Send Email to JimG     

This little incident makes you wonder about the current
training program for the USCG. In 2004 the USCG had their
newest ice breaking cutter Hollyhock assigned to the port of Port Huron. On her first ice mission which took place on
the St Mary's, she rammed a 1000' freighter that was at
anchor in the river. As I remember the damage to the bow was
about $70,000. After an investigation, it was determined the
accident was caused by crew being unfamiliar with the state
of the art equippment on the new vessel. I'm sure if you look for USCG cutter Hollyhock you can find a full report.
jimh posted 01-03-2006 11:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Good (and very long) thread on the Hollyhock incident:

http://forums.military.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/ 3970014500001/p/1

myakka posted 01-04-2006 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for myakka  Send Email to myakka     
As a freshman in high school, I saw two upperclassmen prepare to be accepted to the Coast Guard Academy. Those two were Jeff Crane and Don Triner. If you do a search on them both, you will find them to be courageous and honorabe men. If Commander Triner is found responsible for the actions of him and his crew, I belive he will accept it without question.
Mike
Royboy posted 01-05-2006 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royboy  Send Email to Royboy     
We can second guess the skipper all we want, but the fact is WE weren't at the helm of the 90 million dollar vessel, nor have any of us ever been at the helm of such a vessel. Let's leave the investigation to the investigators.

As for the price tag of the new ship, consider that the old one has lasted since 1944, ergo, this one should still be bustin' ice come 2068, when $90 million will likely seem a pittance.

And I have to agree that the Old Mackinaw is much better looking that the new one. She was also the world standard in ice breaking for most of her commission. Here's a nice shot of her withthe 14 foot Shoals Light and her namesake bridge in the same shot, taken from the deck of Ichthus last Summer:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v406/MC1888/Mackinaw/?action=view& current=CutterMackinaw-bridge-14ftshoalslt.jpg

deepwater posted 01-05-2006 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for deepwater  Send Email to deepwater     
he is only guilty of making an error in judgment while in the public eye if he had dented the boat while breaking ice it would have been just another hazard of the duty no loss of life occured it was cosmetic send the both of them back to sea
jimh posted 01-12-2006 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Press Release

Date: January 11, 2006

PERMANENT RELIEF RECOMMENDED FOR (NEW) MACKINAW CAPTAIN

CLEVELAND – Rear Adm. Robert Papp, Commander of the Ninth Coast Guard District, has recommended to the Commandant of the Coast Guard that Capt. Donald Triner, commanding officer of the new Mackinaw, homeported in Cheboygan, Mich., be permanently relieved of command.

Papp temporarily relieved Triner of his command Dec. 15 after the cutter hit a break wall in Grand Haven, Mich. Papp made the decision to recommend permanent relief, citing loss of confidence in Triner’s ability to command. He reached this conclusion after reviewing investigations concerning the collision and subsequent reports of inappropriate use of alcohol by Triner and some members of his crew at an event in Cheboygan on Dec.17.

“After reviewing both investigations, I have concluded that Capt. Triner gave insufficient attention to navigation and ship-handling training during the ship’s shakedown cruise, thus contributing to the collision in Grand Haven,” said Papp. “With respect to the event in Cheboygan, Capt. Triner has exhibited personal behavior and conduct inconsistent with service norms and expectations for the commanding officer of a Coast Guard cutter.”

Triner is temporarily assigned to Sector Lake Michigan in Milwaukee. Capt. Michael Hudson is now in command of the cutter, a position he assumed following Triner’s temporary relief.

HAPPYJIM posted 01-12-2006 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Alcohol related incidents are not tolerated in today's Coast Guard, even minor ones. Definitely different than back in the 70's when drinking was a Coast Guard tradition. Back then, it was considered ok to have a few with the crew and it actually boosted moral.
I wonder if Triner really is a bad Captain or if he was just a victim of left over times that are not accepted today.
prj posted 01-12-2006 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Beauty,
I can offer Triner a beer when I'm next stopped for a safety inspection.

Here in Milwaukee, that's considered the minimum threshold
of "polite cooperation"!

Buckda posted 01-12-2006 10:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Sounds like the timing of having a few drinks with the crew was off. Two days after an accident/incident?

At sea, where no one but the crew is around, and as a morale booster - okay...but on the mainland with civilians all around? Perhaps not the best command decision, and two poor calls in as many days would lead any commanding officer to wonder.

I agree, it's too bad...and we don't really know what all was involved in the decision; but when you damage the newest boat in the fleet, you need to lay low for awhile.

Dave

HAPPYJIM posted 01-12-2006 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
He probably figured his goose was cooked and didn't matter that having a drink in public was not in his best interests for promotion. Bending a new Cutter sealed his retirement...he understood that, I'm sure. Having a few drinks with the crew was probably done knowing he wouldn't be around much longer anyway.
jimh posted 01-12-2006 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
More background on some of the events leading up to this:

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1461591.php

capedave posted 01-13-2006 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for capedave  Send Email to capedave     
HMMMM... There are those in comand that know what they are doing and those that shouldn't comand a rubber duck in the tub.....I once saw a chief warrent oficer use devining rods to find a leak in a parking lot.....He had the crew digging on a gas main!!!.... Incompitence should not be tolerated..... And yes speed can be a neceary but I would rather have a second shot at getting it right then ramming the dock with my boat.....
pglein posted 01-13-2006 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
This is why I like saltwater boating. No need for icebreakers.

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