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| Author | Topic: 2006 285 Conquest listing to port side |
| Ron Ellis |
I recentley purchased a 2006 285 conquest. I am having serious problems with the boat listing to the port side. I have nine red lights on Bennet trim tabs. I have to trim starboard trim tab down 7 or 8 lights to equalize boat. The dealer keeps insisting that it is my imagination and not the boat. The whaler has twin 200 Verados. I traded in a 32'Wellcraft with twin 300 Yahmaha's that I never had this problem with. I think Boston Whaler has a design issue with this new boat. The microwave, refridgerator, range, 3 batteries plus live well is on the port side. The boat also is only rated at 450 HP. Is anyone else having this same problem. PLEASE REPLY. Thanks, |
| Dick |
Take your dealer for a ride and let them see the problem. When I worked for the Whaler dealer we had the same problem with a couple earlier CQs. Addition of lead ballast to the up side corrected the problem. |
| Tom W Clark |
Ron, I do not have this same problem nor do I have this same boat. I hope you don't mind me chiming in anyway. Does the boat list while not moving? If it floats level but runs with a list then we can be reasonably sure it is not a weight distribution problem. If there is a static lost, then that is certainly the problem or at least *part* of it. How are the motors trimmed while underway? Have you inspected the hull bottom for any obvious defect of problem? Have you watched the trim tabs while underway to ascertain if they are functioning correctly and moving as you think they are? Do the motors have trim tab zincs behind the propellers? (I would have to presume NOT with counter rotating motors.) |
| Peter |
Is the tab indicator calibrated correctly? To calibrate the indicator, see www.bennetttrimtabs.com/TPIINSTALL.pdf |
| Ron Ellis |
Tom, Thanks for your reply. No the boat does sit level while in the water but I am positive it is a weight distribution problem because I can stabilize the listing while moving pasengers around in the boat which I should not have to do with a 30' boat. The dealer has been aware of the problem for several weeks now, since I live four hours away from the boat dealer I have not had the opportunity to take them out myself.which I am going to do the Sat after Thanksgiving.This is why I wanted to get on line to see if anyone else was having this same problem. The hull has been inspected, as have the trim tabs which I had them to install indicater lights. The motor trim has been checked and that is not the problem. This can't be the only 285 conquest with this problem. Someone came up with the idea of installing lead ballast to the hull which Dick also suggested. I don't know much about this procedure and I feel this should not be necessary with a boat with only 10 hrs on it. How would I explain this when I ever decide to sell the boat? I still have a problem with it being rated for only 450 HP. Anyone with any ideas or suggestions please reply. Thanks, Ron |
| TRAFFICLAWYER |
Although I do not have this problem, my 255 Conquest came from Whaler with a single and the 200 lbs of installed ballast. The addition of twins did not affect the boat as to how it sat in the water. If I get totally bored I'll remove the lead. Sounds as if you may need the 100 lbs on the S side. |
| kglinz |
I don't know how you use your boat, or what the battery lay out is, but I assume you have two engine and a single house battery. You may find out you need more house battery. If you do you may want the mount a battery starboard. |
| Tom W Clark |
Ron, If your boat floats level side-to-side as you say it does, then your problem of listing while underway is NOT a weight distribution problem. You have some sort of dynamic problem. The only thing of substantial weight that *might* shift side-to-side while running is the fuel in the fuel tank. But that would only happen if the fuel tank is mounted off center and had an odd shape, which it does not. Yes, you could add or shift enough weight to make your boat level while underway but then it would list at the dock. That is not a solution, that is merely dealing with a symptom. I would be looking at your trim tabs and your motors/propellers. Things that typically can cause a boat to list while underway: 1) Improper weight distribution. But the simple test of this is to observe how a boat floats at the dock. If it floats level, weight distribution is not the problem. 2) Strong cross wind. A boat will always lean into the wind. But you would only have a list to port if you only ever ran your boat with a cross wind from port. 3) Propeller torque, especially when combined with a misadjusted trim tab on the motor. I would rule this out in this case because you have counter rotating twins and (I assume) you have the flat zincs with no fin to counteract steering torque. The counter rotating motor counteract each other. 4) Non-synchronized twin motors. If you have twin outboards and one motor is producing more thrust than the other then the boat will tend to yaw away form the side with the stronger motor. The maintain a straight course, the helm will have to be steered a little bit in the direction of the weaker motor and the sideways thrust vector of the motor will induce a list. I have to presume you run the boat with the motors synchronized vis-à-vis RPM, no? This may sound silly, buy have you verified that you have the exact same model/pitch propellers on both motors? |
| Ron Ellis |
Tom, Thank you for your reply. You sound very knowledgable about boats,more so than the dealer I am dealing with. I haven't noticed having to steer in either direction. I had them check to make sure the prop's were the same. I do run the boat with motor's synchrozanized. The new Verado's have a smart craft gauge that allows you to synchronize motors exactly. I still don't understand why I can move my passengers to the starboard side with no starboard trim tab adjustment and the boat runs level. I will go over with the dealer,,. information and advice that you you have given me. I would still like your input on why this model is only rated for 450 HP. I still think that there may be a design problem that they are trying to hide. Boston Whaler has been involved in this. As you might imagine, I able very concerned and worried about this. I have had numerous boats and ridden in numerous boats and never encountered this problem. Thanks for your help and if you think of anyhing else please let me know. Ron Ellis |
| Tom W Clark |
Ron, You would not perceive that you are steering in either direction in order to maintain a straight course. It is exactly like steering across a strong wind. You do not realize you are steering into the wind in order to maintain a straight course and counteract the weathervaning tendency, it just happens, as does the ensuing list. If you are running the motors synchronized (and can rule out any problem with the instrumentation) then it could also be that the starboard motor is not developing as much power as the port motor. Imagine the starboard motor is only running on three cylinders. (For the sake of argument let's say) it would only develop half as much power. You could still synchronize the motors but the port motor would be doing the most of the work. Ceteris paribus, the boat would consequently tend to steer to starboard. You, as the helmsman, would input steering to port to maintain a straight course. The motor thrust now being directed slightly to port as well as the rudder effect of the lower units would make the boat list to port. That is one possible scenario. But consider anything on the hull itself that would tend to raise the starboard side (out of control trim tab?) or add drag to the starboard side (trim tab again). Transducers? Hull defect? Swim ladder dragging? Another possible source of asymmetrical thrust would be motors mounted off center. I cannot believe this would happen and not be noticed. It would also not create much difference. It is amazing how off center a single motor can be before the effect is apparent. With twins, it would have to be a profound variance. Have you checked the alignment of the two motors to one another. This is commonly referred to the toe-in or toe-out adjustment. Again, I doubt this is the case, but have it checked so you can rule it out. As to the 450 HP rating, I do not find that remarkable at all. Whaler can assign any rating they want to that boat. 450 is 225 twice and this Whaler is sold as a complete package of boat and motors. Mercury makes a lot of 225 HP motors and it probably proved to be a good fit with this hull. |
| TRAFFICLAWYER |
Great input from Tom, as a side note my 255 is rated at 450 also and I have always felt 500-600 would be more appropriate for the 285 hull. |
| dhlaw |
I think that you may have a hull problem or a motor alignment issue. I would first check the toe-in on the motors and make sure that the alignment is correct. If that is not the issue then take a 3 foot straight edge to the bottom of the boat from the stern forward and start checking to see if you have a hook or any rocker in the hull. A slight hook on one side of the hull will cause this same effect yet be relatively imperceiveable to the eye, the same for rocker. (hook is concave, rocker is convex) If you do indeed have this you will need to return the boat to Whaler to have the issue addressed. This is more common than you would imagine. I have bought brand new Cigarette race boats with hull issues and had to pay to have the bottom blue printed. Good luck and let me know if this helped!! |
| Plotman |
Ron - Have YOU calibrated the trim tab indicators as described in the bennett literature? Also make sure that they are doing what you think they are based on the indicator, and that they are even. While you are trying to figure this out, it might make sense to get a clinometer - one with a fine scale - and temporarily mount it to the boat with double stick tape. This way you can check lean in a more objective manner, both at rest and running. Also, whenever you measure lean, make sure a) you are running a straight compass course and b) you measure lean and then turn around and remeasure on a reciprocal course - this will take out any environmental factors like wind or current. It really sucks when you have a new toy and something gets in the way of just having fun with it... David |
| revsrobson |
Are you SURE the props are counter-rotating? If the props are the same as you say, then they are NOT counter-rotating. I think the 285 is only rated at 450 hp because Whaler doesn't want the boat to outperform a 305 with twin 250's. |
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