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Author | Topic: Whaler Owner (and CW member) missing at sea |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-20-2007 01:42 AM ET (US)
http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_078193158.html got the basic facts right. He's a very good friend of mine. We dive off each other's I gotta commend the CG. They've put a lot of resource on this, He's in a good drysuit, young, smart, and very fit, but it's
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erik selis |
posted 03-20-2007 02:24 AM ET (US)
Chuck, is this the gentleman with the 170 Montauk that you often refer to? I hope he's alive and safe. I wonder what could have happened as he seems to be very experienced and well prepared. Erik |
towboater |
posted 03-20-2007 02:52 AM ET (US)
Chuck, Im very sorry to read this about your friend but there is still plenty of hope. I dont understand some things. Did he take tanks & plan to dive alone in the open sea? mk |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-20-2007 03:00 AM ET (US)
Yes, it's the guy with the 170 Montauk I refer to. He's a good friend of mine and Adm. Linda (they work for the same company). Yes, he took tanks and planned to dive a site about five Yes, there's still a chance. A fading chance if he's still
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Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-20-2007 07:56 AM ET (US)
The Eureka paper had an article this morning: http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=21824
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elaelap |
posted 03-20-2007 08:34 AM ET (US)
What a crappy way to wake up this morning, Chuck. I feel that I know Kawika a little because of your many references about him at this website over the years. I just read his impressive bio in the Eureka paper. All we can do now is hope, I guess. Damn. Tony |
blackdog54 |
posted 03-20-2007 09:16 AM ET (US)
Chuck- I just went to Kawika's website, what beauty. Keep hope. |
capnrik |
posted 03-20-2007 10:05 AM ET (US)
Prayers sent from Texas, Chuck. |
Dan |
posted 03-20-2007 10:09 AM ET (US)
Let us know what happens. His photos are amazing. |
poker13 |
posted 03-20-2007 10:25 AM ET (US)
Absolutely beautiful photography. I hope he's OK. |
Bella con23 |
posted 03-20-2007 10:31 AM ET (US)
Prayers sent from Central Jersey, Chuck. |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-20-2007 10:49 AM ET (US)
The amazing thing about Kawika's photography is that he's completely self-taught and has only owned a camera (any camera) for a couple years. I just found out that when they picked up his boat yesterday,
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fishinchips |
posted 03-20-2007 10:51 AM ET (US)
Kawika is missing ! I hope he is ok. I am leary up there because of big white sharks. Another diver got killed a couple of years ago up north diving for abs. Ken |
Sal A |
posted 03-20-2007 10:55 AM ET (US)
I just spent some time visiting his site. It is quite beautiful. I enjoyed reading his FAQ section, and its Q & A format gives a glimpse of his personality. We pray for him. |
Sal DiMercurio |
posted 03-20-2007 12:44 PM ET (US)
It's not the time of year for great whites, but blues can get pretty mean to. My very close friend Randy Fry was cut in half by a GW. Only found from his waist down [ legs ] & his head washed up 3 weeks later. If there were any Humbolt squid in the area, they are meaner than any shark, & attack like a pack of wolves. Sure hope your buddy is ok, but the outlook looks pretty bleak. Sorry |
Yiddil |
posted 03-20-2007 01:20 PM ET (US)
I am startled and saddened to hear this abd news but hope against hope that he will be found safe........... I used to teach underwater photog. in the warm waters of Panama...can't imagine doing that in cold water.... Harty guy!.............. Ive got to say also that if you go diving alone, warm or cold water, your asking for trouble, I dont care how many dives you have, warm or cold water whatever...One of the first things you learn at PADI is that!You never go alone........and they dont even fill your tanks if your not certified, and the certification courses make it plain you dont dive alone........... I hope in this case He makes it ....just upset to hear a diver is lost and he went out by himself...thats all.... Saying a prayer they find him oky doky! |
erik selis |
posted 03-20-2007 01:31 PM ET (US)
I just had a look at his photographs. They are absolutely awesome. Let's hope they find him soon. Erik |
Liteamorn |
posted 03-20-2007 02:30 PM ET (US)
I'm keeping my hopes high , his art is amazing. Ed |
Mardav |
posted 03-20-2007 03:36 PM ET (US)
Heartfelt prayers for our missing member. 40 years diving, I never go alone. Marc |
jimh |
posted 03-20-2007 07:19 PM ET (US)
The website often mentioned above is http://www.coldwaterimages.com/ I hope for the best for this fellow. Miracles can happen. |
InHerNet |
posted 03-20-2007 07:54 PM ET (US)
He possesses an amazing talent and appears to be a fit individual. After reading about him on his website, I can only assume he is a survivor unless something else caused him problems while diving. Hope they find him soon. My prayers are for him and his love ones. |
fishinchips |
posted 03-20-2007 09:18 PM ET (US)
Sal, You think humbolt squid come that close in ? and usually blues are offshore sharks aren't they ? I wouldn't think that kawika would dive that far out from shore, but I don't know. ken |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-20-2007 10:39 PM ET (US)
The site was about 5 nm offshore, the anchor was in a bit over 100', and there were some shallower sites around. Humboldt squid like deeper water, and turn up when the water is warm, and it's been plenty cold (48-49F in Monterey on the bottom, and this was way north). And yes, blues are offshore, and also warm water, and not All the indications are that the currents were really ripping I'm very bummed. There's a lot of discussion on Chuck |
taypow1 |
posted 03-20-2007 11:07 PM ET (US)
Chuck, Awsome website. Our prayers are with you. Jock and Patsy |
Fishcop |
posted 03-20-2007 11:12 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I am so sorry to hear of your friends situation. I know that area well, and Punta Gorda is very unforgiving. I also know the Men and Women of the USCG in that area (Noyo and Eureka) and they are the best at what they do. I hope for the best and send our thoughts and prayers to Kawika and his family and friends. Please keep us updated as you are able. Andy |
zpeed7 |
posted 03-20-2007 11:12 PM ET (US)
Wow, that's the second one I've read about for the same weekend. There was another fisherman lost in NE Florida. Here's a link. http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=141021&start=1& highlight=sad&highlightmode=1 Very sad. Prayers sent. GM |
twernst10 |
posted 03-21-2007 07:35 AM ET (US)
Chuck, I hope that your friend is found quickly and well. As many of us know the USCG is the best at search and rescue. They will find him if they can. My prayers are with you and your friend's family. Tim |
elaelap |
posted 03-21-2007 08:37 AM ET (US)
Our Santa Rosa newspaper has an article this morning stating that the Coast Guard has suspended its search. Very, very sad. Tony |
mikeyairtime |
posted 03-21-2007 08:40 AM ET (US)
There's an interesting book called solo diving. I picked it up several years ago when I thought I was the only guy out there doing it. When sightseeing a diving partner is fairly unobtrusive. For hardcore hunting or photography it's a little different. We're praying for Kakika and his family. |
davej14 |
posted 03-21-2007 09:58 AM ET (US)
Those are terrific images, I pray that Kawika has a chance to continue his work. |
bigjohn1 |
posted 03-21-2007 04:41 PM ET (US)
Very sad news. Chuck, my thoughts and prayers are with you and Linda as well as his family. |
Yiddil |
posted 03-21-2007 04:47 PM ET (US)
Anything new? I hope they found him by now and alive and well...............Henry |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-21-2007 05:27 PM ET (US)
No real news. There were no recent pictures in his camera. That's about it. ;-(
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blackdog54 |
posted 03-21-2007 06:48 PM ET (US)
Chuck- First of all, I just can't get this man out of my mind. His website has so many levels of beauty & intimacy. So, if there were no recent photos, and his anchor was down, he got there, dropped anchor, readied for his dive and.....? There have been a rash of odd and tragic things in the past few weeks. I keep hoping that this will be the one happy ending. My brother's closet friend from grade school through college, 38 years old, was playing softball last week, slid into base, got a surface abrasion on the ankle. Did not think much about it. 3 nights later he went to the ER for pain. They put him on antibiotics as it looked infected. He got out of bed the next morning and coded in front of his wife and 3 kids (under age 9). He died that night in renal failure due to septicemia. Kawika is in my thoughts, wherever he is. |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-21-2007 08:10 PM ET (US)
His hook was deeper (a bit over 100') than he would normally set it. It could be that he was aiming for a high spot up current and missed, or that he hit the high spot, and it eventually pulled off, or he hit the high spot, and it was stuck there, and when he reset it, he lost it. Net: we don't know.
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minitauk85 |
posted 03-21-2007 08:29 PM ET (US)
Chuck- I am curious if you could educate me on what the techniques and the protocols are for diving solo. What sort of safety backups might your friend have used. Drift dive? Tether to the boat? You mentioned his anchor being set. Would he have done this himself, or could it have dragged and caught later? I was always taught to never dive alone, and never lose sight of your dive buddy. What sort of precautions/procedures would he have taken to keep from drifting too far from his boat? I hope things turn out right for your buddy, great photos and even better adventures! -k |
andygere |
posted 03-21-2007 08:43 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I just returned from a trip and saw this news. Nancy and I are praying that your friend Kawika is found alive. |
David Pendleton |
posted 03-21-2007 09:57 PM ET (US)
What a tragic, sad story. Dry suit or not, it's been four days now and that's a long time to go without fresh water. Have they given up searching entirely? |
PeteB88 |
posted 03-21-2007 10:50 PM ET (US)
Not another one - best to you all, fam and friends. I am going to hook up that kill switch and take extra precautions. I found another river guide knife like the one I used to use which will be on PFD. Need best idea for PFD, not sure about SOSpenders. Very sad to hear about anything like this. |
towboater |
posted 03-22-2007 12:11 AM ET (US)
Chuck, Ive been trying to follow the Yahoo Kawika Search Divers Forum but I cant seem to separate one topic from.... Seems like one of the Search Divers reported one strand of the anchor rope had parted not too far from the anchor yesterday. Can you confirm this? Maybe the anchor...this broken strand...is a big key to what happened? What was the total length of the anchor rope in the water when they found the boat? You may know better than anyone the relevance of the length of his anchor rope in that area taking all things into consideration. Sure, it's likely the strand parted later when the boat was drifting and the anchor suddenly hooked up hard but the fact it was drifting, his camera in the boat has me a little perplexed. I still have hope. mk |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-22-2007 07:25 AM ET (US)
First some comments on solo diving. The two most common things that kill divers are panic, and diving beyond their training, skills, and experience. A good example of panic killing occurred at Pt. Lobos a couple of summers ago. At the very beginning of the dive, with a full tank, a diver became entangled in kelp. She panicked, spit out her regulator (not uncommon in a panicked diver) and just flailed around. She tore the mask off one of her two buddies and died. I good example of lack of training occurred this week in Florida. Three divers died penetrating the wreck of the Spiegel Grove. They were certainly doing it wrong - single tanks, no reel of line to trail behind them to show the way out. So, as in all diving, safety lies in staying out of those In Kawika's case, the most likely scenario is that he was There are several possibilities about the anchor. It was The fraying was due to abrasion over two days in rough There's no evidence the boat drifted. And there's negative
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ConnorEl |
posted 03-22-2007 10:22 AM ET (US)
Chuck, First, I’m very sorry to hear about your friend. What a tragedy. How sad. Second, I completely defer to you with respect to the things that place a diver most at risk. I was once open water certified but that was years ago and wouldn’t claim any expertise. But . . . from what I can recall, those guys in FL were supposedly well trained. I think that I read that they were certified to dive on wrecks and “technical” divers. So . . . it seems that perhaps in their case it wasn’t a lack of training as much as a lack of good judgment. And this might be a third category for increased diving risk. Then again, I suppose that anyone “diving beyond their training, skills, and experience” is using poor judgment. Anyway, I’m so sad to hear of this event. Best wishes to you and all who love Kawika. |
JayR |
posted 03-22-2007 02:55 PM ET (US)
If I recall correctly, the #1 safety rule I learned back in the late 70's was to NEVER dive alone.... My thoughts are with him and his family. |
DaveH |
posted 03-22-2007 04:38 PM ET (US)
Chuck: I just read this thread and wanted to express that I am saddened by the news. I lost a friend this past week off Sebastian Inlet here in Florida. What a terrible week for us all. I look forward to better times...DaveH out. |
Ron1959 |
posted 03-22-2007 10:10 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I am not a frequent poster here, but have been a longtime BW fan. So very sorry to hear about your pal. Prayers sent for him, his family and you. |
gtxhal |
posted 03-23-2007 01:40 PM ET (US)
very sad. my thoughts are with his family and friends who must deal with his loss. <sigh> hal |
bretm1 |
posted 03-23-2007 07:29 PM ET (US)
Amazing images on his website. Thoughts and prayers from Buzzards Bay, Ma. |
roloaddict |
posted 03-24-2007 12:26 AM ET (US)
Best wishes and hopes from Shelton,WA. Sometimes the highest rewards in life demand the highest risk. I hope he returns. John |
17 bodega |
posted 03-24-2007 02:39 AM ET (US)
I am moved by this individual and his work and love for the sea. |
DeeVee |
posted 03-24-2007 09:00 AM ET (US)
Chuck, I am very sorry to of your missing friend. My thoughts are with his family. Doug |
blackdog54 |
posted 03-25-2007 09:57 PM ET (US)
Well, I am guessing that no news, is, in fact, bad news. I can not shake this and I do not know the man, but I guess it is a reminder of the fragile nature of our existence. My deepest thoughts are with those who were touched by Kawika. |
dburton |
posted 03-25-2007 10:16 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I've waited to post hoping that your friend Kawika would be found. I've been praying for him since your first post. I am sorry for your loss and know that the ocean has lost a friend as well. My best, Doug |
jsgrise |
posted 03-26-2007 12:05 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I'm really sorry for your friend. That kind of thing should just not happen. It's really sad that it has to end that way. But I'd like to send a message to all of us, let's all learn about this tragedy, How many time have you been at sea without wearing a PFD thinking that everything is going to be fine or without using you kill switch? well I don't know about you, but I've been several times. But I can assure you that I'll think vigorously about it before leaving the dock for the next fishing trip. Rest in peace Kawika, JS |
nevada |
posted 03-27-2007 07:16 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I am truly sorry for Kawika’s family and friends. I am also sorry for the rest of us who spend our time on the surface, we have lost a person who had a phenomenal gift in the ability to show us what lives below the surface. Thank you for sharing the link to his website. I hope that the website continues on as a tribute to his work. Joe |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-27-2007 11:16 PM ET (US)
Another friend of his and I will make sure his website lives on. There is stuff to learn here. Just because you got away with There's a really good article in this morning's Eureka Reporter:
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sr |
posted 03-28-2007 12:17 AM ET (US)
Would this be our Chuck? http://www.coldwaterimages.com/chuck0.html If this turns out bad, the guy went out doing what he loved. |
17 bodega |
posted 03-28-2007 11:19 PM ET (US)
The only thing I don't see an explanation for is the swamped boat. Is there an explanation of how the water got there? All reports indicate the seas were calm. |
towboater |
posted 03-29-2007 03:49 AM ET (US)
Bodega. Wouldnt a Montauk flush water out the stern if it took a freak wave over the bow while at anchor? Kawika certainly was a smart Man, hell of a guy. Something very extraordinary happened in a very extraordinary area. prayers. mk |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-29-2007 07:16 AM ET (US)
If it got a lot of water in, some would go out over the stern. With the plug in (and Kawika did run with the plug in), if there were just some water (say, 6") it would stay in the boat. Kawika's anchor line was three-strand nylon, 7/16" I think
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Sheila |
posted 03-29-2007 08:33 AM ET (US)
I've been away from the forum for a few weeks. What tragic news to find. Chuck, I am so, so sorry. |
njwhaler |
posted 03-29-2007 12:45 PM ET (US)
Chuck, I am so sorry to read about your friend. His pictures are beautiful. |
The Chesapeake Explorer |
posted 03-29-2007 09:43 PM ET (US)
A very talented person all around. I liked the self portrait of him and the seal. Im sure that was a favorite of his. Truly sorry to hear about this. |
17 bodega |
posted 03-30-2007 12:52 AM ET (US)
that's interesting info towboater, and I think it serves Kawika well to try to piece together what happened in this situation. On the other hand, a bunch of speculation in many different directions may not be fruitful, but productive discussion nonetheless. One of the great assets of this website is the ability to share quality information to make us all safer on the water. |
njwhaler |
posted 03-30-2007 10:24 AM ET (US)
This event really makes you think about your own safety. How many of us are out all alone? I know that I fish alone quite often and I don't always have a life jacket on. I am sure the diver here in question was extremely experienced. That is obvious from seeing the web site. However, we all getlazy with out own safety. I am not a diver at all, so someone please tell me what the proper method of safety is when diving alone? Should you have a leash which ties you to the boat? |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 03-30-2007 06:36 PM ET (US)
No, you don't tether. The most important thing is to know when and where to NOT The site where Kawika went missing is beyond double black The key thing on those sites is to have someone in the boat
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Binkie |
posted 03-30-2007 07:02 PM ET (US)
Chuck I hope your not encouraging divers that its all right to dive solo, just because you don`t mind taking unnecessary risks with your own life. I was taught to dive with a buddy, and never dove alone. When you become comfortable with an inherently dangerous sport, some people take chances, and those are the ones that usually make the papers. Same with rock climbing, flying, motor sports racing, motorcycle riding, and other risky hobbies. Sorry about your buddy. Rich |
placerville |
posted 04-01-2007 03:11 AM ET (US)
Chuck, Unlike many of the members here that have pounded home the point that you should "never dive alone", I wholeheartedly agree to your philosophy that it's more important to know when and where NOT to dive solo. There are many inherently risky activities that we get enjoyment from. To limit ourselves to participating in our passions only when you have another body along will cause you to miss out on a lot. We all have to make our own decisions regarding the risk we're willing to take. I think it's super important to understand those risks, understand your capabilities and accept responsibility for your actions. I don't think anyone here should be criticizing Kawika for doing what he loved in the manner he chose. Never having met Kawika, I'm never the less moved by him Matt |
WT |
posted 04-01-2007 12:37 PM ET (US)
FYI Kawiki is on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle this morning. I don't know if you have to register in order to see this story, if not perhaps you can search under title "Legacy Of The Deep". http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/01/ MNGMROVNMM1.DTL Warren |
Perry |
posted 04-01-2007 01:07 PM ET (US)
Great article in the Chronicle. It says his Mom lives in Hawaii so that explains his Hawaiian name; Kawika means David. It's sad that his young life was cut short. May he rest in peace. |
gtxhal |
posted 04-01-2007 03:20 PM ET (US)
thx for the link to the very good article. hal |
FRSam |
posted 04-01-2007 05:36 PM ET (US)
There's nothing quite like diving off the north coast of California. I've been up and down the Pacific Coast HWY a number of times. It's a beautiful drive - there's no question about that. But it wasn't until I started diving that I realized how much we were all missing just being able to look over the surface. What was beneath the surface was absolutely breath taking - a whole other world. I can see where Kawika was drawn to the ocean - the diversity and beauty is beyond belief. To be able to capture it with a camera the way Kawika did is a true gift. I can understand why Kawika dove alone If you play it to safe you'll probably never leave home plate and if you do it's only to first base. Kawika seemed like he type of person who was willing to take a well thought out risk and did. Unfortunately it just wasn't his day and I'm sure it wasn't without a fight that he gave up his life. It's a sad day when you lose someone like Kawika but I can't help but admire him for following his dream - he certainly had one very creative ride here on the planet Earth. Pete |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 04-01-2007 07:54 PM ET (US)
Actually, the fact that Kawika's mom lives in Hawaii is independent of his name. Both his mom and dad are mainlanders.
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David Pendleton |
posted 04-01-2007 09:38 PM ET (US)
The first time I saw Kawika's name on CW, I posted a message asking him to contact me. My godparents are Hawaiian and called me Kawika and I wanted to know about his name. I don't encounter it too often. I found the messages in my archive folder and it made me laugh again... From: Kawika Chetron [mailto:kawika@sbcglobal.net] you called? --- From: David Pendleton [mailto:davepen@tcq.net] A weird question, perhaps, but is your real name Kawika? --- From: Kawika Chetron [mailto:kawika@sbcglobal.net] Well, it's not "Mr. Bat Guano". Yes, Kawika is my real name. --- We exchanged a couple of more messages about us both being What a shame this whole thing has turned out to be. I didn't even know him, but I feel badly about his disappearance. So long, Mr. Bat Guano. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 04-01-2007 11:25 PM ET (US)
Do not dive alone. Do not dive solo. It is risky to be on a boat solo. One slip, one fall, one wave. Never dive alone. It is not a trendy statement, but a prediction if you do. |
placerville |
posted 04-02-2007 03:10 AM ET (US)
Frsam wrote, "I can understand why Kawika dove alone If you play it to safe you'll probably never leave home plate and if you do it's only to first base" FRSAM, I love that statement. I would imagine it captures |
Binkie |
posted 04-02-2007 07:03 AM ET (US)
Diving alone goes against common sense, and any diver knows this. Eventually it will probably cost you, and also the taxpayer`s dollars searching for you. Probably the ones that dive alone don`t wear seatbelts either. |
RocketMan |
posted 04-02-2007 08:31 AM ET (US)
I've been on about a hundred dives over the years on various dive boats including my own or with friends and coworkers. It occurred to me after not too many dives that most divers are just not good buddy-divers, groups don't stick together well, and safety is regularly overlooked. This is especially true during lobster season, wreck diving, or with a strong current. Unoffically, here in Florida it seems that you read about losing a diver on a fairly regular basis, maybe a half dozen or so cases a year. In nearly all of the cases the lost diver was with other diver(s). There's an article in today's Palm Beach Post about losing a diver off Clearwater yesterday who failed to surface with his group. "Failed to surface with his group" seems to be a commonly used description of a lost diver event. Based on that I think an experienced, lone diver is normally not significantly worse off than most divers are in a group. But in this case the described dive conditions were not normal and carried a high degree of risk. Being successful in beating the odds say 9 times out of 10, 99 times out of 100, or even 999 times out of 1000 represent a relatively high degree of risk. Often it seems that with a string of 5, 50, or 500 consecutive successes we lull ourselves into thinking that nothing bad is going to, or can, happen and end up paying the ultimate price.
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Plotman |
posted 04-02-2007 10:20 AM ET (US)
For the love of Pete, Binkie, get off your high horse. A man with some pretty amazing talents is missing, and presumed dead. He died to young, a damned shame. Yes, he was diving alone. Had he had a partner, maybe he would be alive, or maybe there would be two missing. Had he not gone out that day, he would most likely be alive. Wouldof, couldof, shouldof. Your prostletizing, or saying "I told you so" isn't going to change anything, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind here about whether they choose to dive alone. So please, give it up. |
mitch13 |
posted 04-02-2007 11:02 AM ET (US)
Binkie, I've been scuba diving since 1953. I don't know how may dives I have made, but for about seven years I dove almost every day off my own boat , mostly by myself. sometimes I ran a 31' Bertram dive boat and if everything looked OK I dove while the group was down. Like Plotman said, there are not many divers that make good partners, someone you would bet your life on. And yes, I wear a seat belt when I drive a car, a Mustang self inflating vest when I'm out in my whaler, a helmet when I ride a motorcycle and when I was flying I wore a helmet, shoulder harness and parachute. I think it's a damn shame that such a talented and experiencd person like Kawika should have to go but we will probably never know if a dive partner would have helped him or not. |
mitch13 |
posted 04-02-2007 11:04 AM ET (US)
Sorry, Plotman, that was Rocketman I quoted. |
Binkie |
posted 04-02-2007 12:06 PM ET (US)
No offense against Kawika, its very sad he had his accident, and no one knows whether a buddy could have saved him, I was never an expert diver, so I always took precautions. If you dive off a head boat, and are alone, probably no one will be really be checking on you much anyway. When we used to lobster in the keys, with friends, it was generally every person for themselves, but lobstering is generally done in shallow water in the keys anyway, under 20 ft. When I take my raceboat out for testing, I never go alone. I always have at least a person on the beach with a cell phone, although It`s better to have a chase boat or an other race boat with me. If I had a crash, I wouldn`t want to be bobbing up and down in my lifejacket , and maybe injured, hoping someone would come along and find me. Sorry for preaching about safety, you all can do as you please, but thats just the way I do it. Rich |
elaelap |
posted 04-02-2007 01:47 PM ET (US)
I cruise and fish alone more than half the time I go out, and I'm planning an extensive single-handed blue water sailboat cruise. I've sailed alone for literally hundreds of days along the southern California coast and in San Francisco Bay. I used to surf alone when I was young, hitting the beach in the pre-dawn morning and watching the sun rise from my board. I don't have much experience diving with scuba gear--never had the skill or inclination to do that without a 'buddy'--but I've skin-dived all over the world, often alone or with friends/family on shore while I've snorkled around on reefs a quarter of a mile or more away. When I was an undergraduate at UC Berkeley, I went alone on a four-day 'quest'--a solo scramble, mostly off-trail including low-intensity rock-climbing, in the Sierra Nevada mountains near Yosemite, and I've hiked and climbed alone in the Alps near Chamonix. Hell, I even enjoy driving alone on occasion, regularly down and back to Los Angeles from Sonoma County, and once thirty years or so ago alone from Pennsylvania cross country to Berkeley. Yeah, we're continually told by unnamed 'authorities' that participating in certain activities alone is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. Well, one of the costs of avoiding solo adventures in the name of security is the loss of one's sense of self, of independence, of personal discovery--the loss of those incredibly important special contemplative times that can only be experienced and enjoyed alone. In our busy, complicated, industrialized and over-populated world, especially for those of us living and working in an urban setting, solo undertakings are truly therapeutic, and IMO absolutely necessary (in varying degrees according to one's personality) to maintain one's balance and sanity. We come into existence alone and we leave for our final cruise single-handed. Kawika was living life with an intensity very few experience, and he had creative skills which allow all of us to share his vitality, his life-energy, in a small degree. From all accounts (and undeniably demonstrated by his amazing photography) he had a high degree of skill as a diver. That he took risks is also undeniable, but life without some degree of risk is actually lifelessness, cowardess, a life unlived in fear. His work, and the admiration of those who knew him personally and those who, like me, knew him only through his work and from stories about him from his friends, will stand as a memorial to a man who truly lived. Vale, Kawika! Tony |
elaelap |
posted 04-02-2007 02:24 PM ET (US)
I probably meant to say "cowardice" rather than "cowardess." |
Binkie |
posted 04-02-2007 03:49 PM ET (US)
Hey Mitch, Did Delta or any of the other carriers actually let you on an airplane wearing a parachute and helmet? That`d be pretty cool, but not much of a show of confidence, must of been many years ago. Tony, I love to fish alone, I don`t think thats dangerous at all, I never even thought about wearing a life jacket but your probably better off if you wear one, one of the suspender type that don`t inhibit movement. I like to drive alone on long trips too, I don`t like to go to bed alone though ;-). Rich |
gwenieone |
posted 04-02-2007 06:05 PM ET (US)
So very well said. Thank you Tony gwenieone |
mitch13 |
posted 04-02-2007 07:48 PM ET (US)
No, Binkie, I had to fly the damn things myself. |
JOHN W MAYO |
posted 04-08-2007 10:02 PM ET (US)
Chuck, sorry to hear about your frind. I dive also from my whaler, I usually never dive by myself, but I have done it several times and after reading your post, I am considering taking a Personal Locator Beacon, putting it in a Pelican case, both I already have and attaching it to a dive flag that would be floating in the water pulled by a line with me. I know this would not work in all dive situations, but I think it would work in many situations if something happened to you being unable to get back to you whaler. How does this idea seem to you? |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 04-09-2007 04:50 AM ET (US)
Well, that certainly wouldn't work in California kelp beds. ;-) I've towed a buoy a few times because I was going to mark something. It's work. I'd be looking for a way to take the PLB with me. I vaguely
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JOHN W MAYO |
posted 04-09-2007 09:46 PM ET (US)
Thanks Chuck, that enclosed case is a much better idea you have for the PLB. We can try to do things safe as we can, and maybe we often learn from others experiences and mistakes, but we take risk doing what we enjoy. |
elaelap |
posted 04-11-2007 10:41 AM ET (US)
The Mendocino coast took two more lives this past week: a scuba diver died of an apparent heart attack and a fisherman was swept off the rocks and drowned yesterday. The Pacific Ocean off northern California is a dangerous place, and when things go wrong they go wrong swiftly out here, especially because of the year-round low water temperature (49 degrees on salmon opening day this past Saturday). This doesn't keep us away, but tragedies like the loss of Kawika underscore the need for even the most skilled and experienced to be extra cautious. I fish alone about half the time I go out, and I shiver when I think about the times I've slipped or stumbled while moving about my boat or while leaning over the gunwales to net or gaff a fish, and only just caught myself in time to prevent myself from going overboard. Even though I keep a GPS in one pocket and a submersible VHF in the other (most of the time!) when single-handing, they would be of dubious value to while I was thrashing around in fifty-degree water as my Whaler putted away into the fog at three knots. Hmmm, maybe I'll take up needle-point and gardening instead...after this salmon season, that is. Tuco |
Grasshopper |
posted 04-19-2007 05:54 PM ET (US)
Chuck, My condolences. I am sorry about your friend and diving partner. Being a retired Network Administrator with all Cisco routers and switches I understand the rigors of Cisco. I met some really good people at Cisco and your friend looks and sounds like a combination of all of them. Good luck and peace to you and David. |
elaelap |
posted 04-20-2007 10:55 AM ET (US)
And now three more: FRI Ap 20, Santa Rosa--A man who drowned near the Point Arena lighthouse on Thursday morning was the third abalone diver to die on the Mendocino Coast in little more than 24 hours, authorities said. (Santa Rosa Press Democrat) The story goes on to say that three people died and two were seriously injured on the Sonoma-Mendocino coastline last year, and in 2005 six people drowned and one diver was fatally bitten by a great white shark. And so it goes... Tony |
PeteB88 |
posted 04-20-2007 11:05 AM ET (US)
Maybe I posted this before - but this stuff reminds me of my first hike up the N side of Cape Kiwanda from the beach side- there used to be (hope it's still there and would love to have a photo of it for my wall) a simple wooden sign that said "Beyond This Point Your Life May Depend on Your Good Judgement" Our condolences and respects for those who lived their lives with adventure, purpose and vigor. |
towboater |
posted 04-20-2007 12:58 PM ET (US)
St George Reef Lighthouse has aways facinated me. (A little north of these incidents) I have a collection of every West Coast Lighthouse between Cabo & Point Barrow. Never been there by boat. Built on a Island no bigger than a postage stamp in 1867 out of granite concrete. mk |
17 bodega |
posted 04-22-2007 02:00 PM ET (US)
I hope we continue to discuss the details of boating safety and how to avoid these fatalities rather than simply highlighting the body count and moving on. I think in most cases, excercising the proper precautions can avoid death by boating. Sometimes it can't be avoided, but most fatalities are avoidable. Today, I walked aboard several public safety boats and got up close and personal with two incredible helicopters, all of which are technically owned by you and me; the taxpayers. Flying around in an aluminum framed box propelled by rotors is much more inherently dangerous than boating, and yet the number of helicopter crashes are very small and rare in this country. That is because the operators are highly trained, use extreme judgement and caution, and would not hesitate to cancel a flight or operation due to foul weather. This is not true for the general public as is witnessed by any given opening day for fishing. The last two crab and salmon opening days have been under small craft advisories, yet many boaters went out despite warnings. At least one commercial boat I know of sustained damage that was discovered later due to their decision to go out in the rough weather. Anyway... let's keep up the discussion but perhaps with more suggestions on how to avoid the tragedies. Always dive with a buddy, have a system of checks, avoid fishing alone, or at least be sure and establish vhf contact and a rescue plan. I admit to not always doing things perfectly, but working next to a coast guard station part time has given me an opportunity to observe some good habits for boating safety. |
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