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phantom309 posted 07-18-2007 02:07 AM ET (US)
This is a grossly ragged question, with several missing pieces of relevant information, but any general opinions would be appreciated:
I own a 1984 18 Outrage, and am looking to get bigger and a little farther out. I currently run a 1994 Johnson 120 2-stroke on it, and on a flat day can make it out 35 miles, troll the better part of the day, and make it back in safely (carry an extra tank for security but have never tapped into it).
I'd love to move up to a 25 Outrage, but don't want to put myself completely out of the bay, and thus am thinking about a 22 outrage until I can afford to own both an offshore and inshore whaler.
Specifically, I'm looking at a 1987 22 outrage with a 225 yamaha 2 stroke. my question is, is the standard fuel tank in the 22 much bigger than the 18? I'd assume there is a much bigger jump from the 22 to the 25 in fuel capacity than from the 18 to the 22?
Obviously the specific motor, boat and prop are going to determine mileage, but do y'all think my range would improve significantly from the 18 with a 120 hp, to a 22 with a single 225, or should I be looking to go all the way to a 25 if I really wanna get out there? Thanks in advance.
Plotman posted 07-18-2007 09:16 AM ET (US)
A OUTRAGE 22 had a standard tank of 77 gallons. There was also an option - pretty rare, but out there - that increased fuel capacity to 129 gallons at the expense of the stern well. I get about 2.4 mpg at my best cruise with twin yamaha 130s, and I generally figure 2 as my overall average. I'm not sure how you troll - what speed, do you use a kicker, etc., so I'm not going to be much help with that part.
jimh posted 07-18-2007 09:26 AM ET (US)
Information about the internal fuel tank capacity for most all Boston Whaler boats made prior to c.1997 is given in:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html
Capt Darryl posted 07-18-2007 06:09 PM ET (US)
Do not think you cannot fish the local area (Galveston Bay) in a 25 Outrage. There are several guides who have been doing this for years. I wanted a 25 to use guiding in Galveston Bay but ran accross a 22 Guardian that I could not pass up for the money. My 22 Guardian holds 77 gallons and feel that I can fish 50 miles offshore with a 225 Yamaha OX66 just fine.
I think you would be adding a bit more range and improved ride with the 22. I don't think the range would be a significant improvement to what you have in the 18. I cannot remember what the fuel consumption of the 120 is but, the 225 Yamaha is going to average around 2-2.5mpg. If it is a HPDI, it will get around 3-3.25mpg. Most 25's carry around 150 gallons.
As you know, there is no such thing as the "perfect boat". If you plan to fish 50 plus miles offshore, you get the 25 for the extra fuel capacity and ride. If most of your time is spent in the bay with the occasional trip 30 miles offshore, I would recommend the 22.
If you are thinking about twins on the 22 Outrage, I would not suggest it. It is too much weight on the transom and will be filling the aft portion of your boat on most occasions. The boat's transom can handle it with no problem but, in our Gulf of Mexico, the weight of the single two-stroke is a better option. Even the extra weight of the four-stroke makes the transom squat lower than I would want it. If you want twin outboards, go with the 25. It distributes the weight much better.
If this were my decision and I wanted to have an inshore and offshore Whaler, I would be looking for a 25 Outrage and keeping the 18.
David Ratusnik posted 07-23-2007 05:01 PM ET (US)
309- Go 25' -- you need the weight offshore. Sell the 18'
and pick up a Gheenhoe or a 15' to knock around in the flats. Better yet, extend yourself to go offshore with a Contender,
SeaVee or Regulator. D
Buckda posted 07-23-2007 05:13 PM ET (US)
As an inexpensive temporary measure that you may wish to try:
I just finished rigging a 27 gallon Tempo tank forward of my console on my 18 and hard plumbed it into the fuel delivery system upstream of the fuel/water separating filter.
With a 120 HP Johnson 2-stroke, you probably see 3 MPG, but let's call it 2.5 for safety sake. Discounting the capacity by 10% gives you 81 gallons of "usable fuel" (63 gallon main tank, 27 gallon Tempo). That's 200 miles total range, or going by the rule of Thirds; it provides you with range to go out about 50 miles, troll and come back home with 1/3 of your fuel in reserve for weather.
HOWEVER, the 25' Outrage (and even the 22' Outrage) are more capable offshore boats with greater waterline length and higher freeboard to help keep the ocean OUT.
Pick your days, and enjoy extended life of your 18' Outrage for less than $200 invested.
Dave
WT posted 07-23-2007 07:03 PM ET (US)
I'm with Bucka on this one.
I have a 24 gallon main Pate tank and I just bought a 27 gallon Tempo for additional range during my offshore tuna runs in my 170 Montauk.
For less than $200 you can increase your range by another 60 plus miles.
Warren
macdougall70 posted 07-23-2007 08:43 PM ET (US)
Of course another option is to repower with an EFI E-tec or four stroke and and double your range on the current 22.
Outrage22Cuddy posted 07-24-2007 03:28 PM ET (US)
My outrage has a 118 gallon tank. Don't get twin engines on the 22! I have Whaler Drive & went from twins to single. I'll never go back to twins again under any circumstances. Gas mileage stinks with twins! Too much weight on stern means awful ride quality. I have main & 9.9 2-stroke kicker. Only thing twins were good for was zipping around at high speed. Everything else about it I hated.

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Author	Topic: Outrage 22 fuel capacity
phantom309	posted 07-18-2007 02:07 AM ET (US) This is a grossly ragged question, with several missing pieces of relevant information, but any general opinions would be appreciated: I own a 1984 18 Outrage, and am looking to get bigger and a little farther out. I currently run a 1994 Johnson 120 2-stroke on it, and on a flat day can make it out 35 miles, troll the better part of the day, and make it back in safely (carry an extra tank for security but have never tapped into it). I'd love to move up to a 25 Outrage, but don't want to put myself completely out of the bay, and thus am thinking about a 22 outrage until I can afford to own both an offshore and inshore whaler. Specifically, I'm looking at a 1987 22 outrage with a 225 yamaha 2 stroke. my question is, is the standard fuel tank in the 22 much bigger than the 18? I'd assume there is a much bigger jump from the 22 to the 25 in fuel capacity than from the 18 to the 22? Obviously the specific motor, boat and prop are going to determine mileage, but do y'all think my range would improve significantly from the 18 with a 120 hp, to a 22 with a single 225, or should I be looking to go all the way to a 25 if I really wanna get out there? Thanks in advance.
Plotman	posted 07-18-2007 09:16 AM ET (US) A OUTRAGE 22 had a standard tank of 77 gallons. There was also an option - pretty rare, but out there - that increased fuel capacity to 129 gallons at the expense of the stern well. I get about 2.4 mpg at my best cruise with twin yamaha 130s, and I generally figure 2 as my overall average. I'm not sure how you troll - what speed, do you use a kicker, etc., so I'm not going to be much help with that part.
jimh	posted 07-18-2007 09:26 AM ET (US) Information about the internal fuel tank capacity for most all Boston Whaler boats made prior to c.1997 is given in: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html
Capt Darryl	posted 07-18-2007 06:09 PM ET (US) Do not think you cannot fish the local area (Galveston Bay) in a 25 Outrage. There are several guides who have been doing this for years. I wanted a 25 to use guiding in Galveston Bay but ran accross a 22 Guardian that I could not pass up for the money. My 22 Guardian holds 77 gallons and feel that I can fish 50 miles offshore with a 225 Yamaha OX66 just fine. I think you would be adding a bit more range and improved ride with the 22. I don't think the range would be a significant improvement to what you have in the 18. I cannot remember what the fuel consumption of the 120 is but, the 225 Yamaha is going to average around 2-2.5mpg. If it is a HPDI, it will get around 3-3.25mpg. Most 25's carry around 150 gallons. As you know, there is no such thing as the "perfect boat". If you plan to fish 50 plus miles offshore, you get the 25 for the extra fuel capacity and ride. If most of your time is spent in the bay with the occasional trip 30 miles offshore, I would recommend the 22. If you are thinking about twins on the 22 Outrage, I would not suggest it. It is too much weight on the transom and will be filling the aft portion of your boat on most occasions. The boat's transom can handle it with no problem but, in our Gulf of Mexico, the weight of the single two-stroke is a better option. Even the extra weight of the four-stroke makes the transom squat lower than I would want it. If you want twin outboards, go with the 25. It distributes the weight much better. If this were my decision and I wanted to have an inshore and offshore Whaler, I would be looking for a 25 Outrage and keeping the 18.
David Ratusnik	posted 07-23-2007 05:01 PM ET (US) 309- Go 25' -- you need the weight offshore. Sell the 18' and pick up a Gheenhoe or a 15' to knock around in the flats. Better yet, extend yourself to go offshore with a Contender, SeaVee or Regulator. D
Buckda	posted 07-23-2007 05:13 PM ET (US) As an inexpensive temporary measure that you may wish to try: I just finished rigging a 27 gallon Tempo tank forward of my console on my 18 and hard plumbed it into the fuel delivery system upstream of the fuel/water separating filter. With a 120 HP Johnson 2-stroke, you probably see 3 MPG, but let's call it 2.5 for safety sake. Discounting the capacity by 10% gives you 81 gallons of "usable fuel" (63 gallon main tank, 27 gallon Tempo). That's 200 miles total range, or going by the rule of Thirds; it provides you with range to go out about 50 miles, troll and come back home with 1/3 of your fuel in reserve for weather. HOWEVER, the 25' Outrage (and even the 22' Outrage) are more capable offshore boats with greater waterline length and higher freeboard to help keep the ocean OUT. Pick your days, and enjoy extended life of your 18' Outrage for less than $200 invested. Dave
WT	posted 07-23-2007 07:03 PM ET (US) I'm with Bucka on this one. I have a 24 gallon main Pate tank and I just bought a 27 gallon Tempo for additional range during my offshore tuna runs in my 170 Montauk. For less than $200 you can increase your range by another 60 plus miles. Warren
macdougall70	posted 07-23-2007 08:43 PM ET (US) Of course another option is to repower with an EFI E-tec or four stroke and and double your range on the current 22.
Outrage22Cuddy	posted 07-24-2007 03:28 PM ET (US) My outrage has a 118 gallon tank. Don't get twin engines on the 22! I have Whaler Drive & went from twins to single. I'll never go back to twins again under any circumstances. Gas mileage stinks with twins! Too much weight on stern means awful ride quality. I have main & 9.9 2-stroke kicker. Only thing twins were good for was zipping around at high speed. Everything else about it I hated.