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| placerville |
I've spent the past month as a crew member on the Sea Shepherd ship the "Steve Irwin". Here's a pic of the ship in Melbourne, Australia: http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm4/placerville3/sea%20shepherd/ ?action=view¤t=P7030038.jpg http://s292.photobucket.com/albums/mm4/placerville3/?action=view& current=P7010037.jpg For those of you not familiar with Sea Shepherd, they are an environmental group that aggressively takes a stand against organizations or countries that rape our ocean's marine life. Sort of like Greenpeace on steroids. The "Steve Irwin"s current focus is to disrupt the Japanese whaling fleet when they come down to Antarctica to harvest 1000 Fin and Minke whales in the name of Research. For the past 30 years I've spent a chunk of my time working on ships and tugboats. And whalering. This was my way of giving back to the seas that have provided so much to me. It's been a great experience working with an almost totally volunteer crew who are so dedicated to their beliefs. Here's a link to their website: |
| HuronBob |
The night photo is fantastic! And, good for you! Not many people are willing to take that kind of effort to make a difference! |
| erik selis |
Wow Matt, that is so cool. Great picture of the boat at night. What was your task on the boat? Erik |
| DaveS |
I think I saw something about that organization on the Discovery Channel a while back. They try to shadow the Japanese Whaling fleet and do what they can to "disrupt" their activities. I've seen them purposely "side swip" the whaling vessels. Interesting move. Cool pics. Dave |
| elaelap |
Best wishes from Edie and me for the trip home, Matt. I've been sitting on this story for many months now and I'm sure happy you've posted about your adventures...more details please when you get the chance. For those of you who don't know, Matt, Warren/WT and I have been boat partners for three years--owned and operated three Whalers together and gotten to know each other pretty well in the process. My hat is off (which I don't do very often for fear of blinding people with the sun's reflection off my balding dome) to Matt for his commitment to the environment and to the sea. He has been an inspiration to me and my family, since he lives his beliefs rather than just talking about them. See ya soon in California, pard, and our very best regards, Tony |
| minitauk85 |
WOW!!! Serious, and dangerous big adventure! For those that don't know, these volunteers take their lives in their hands with every encounter! Wasnt' it the Steve Irwinthat had two shipmates board a Japanese whaler, only to be held at gun point for a day or two? I believe the Japanese considered them pirates, and wanted to transport them back to the law in Japan. Sure would like to hear more about what you did and what it was like. Not sure if I approve of some of the tactics employed, but I really admire your comittment to a good cause. Just can't jibe with the brutal slaughter of such great animals. Thanks for taking a stand!-k |
| placerville |
I came to the ship with an open mind, willing to do anything to help their cause. The first day I spent chipping rust. By the third day, the ship's manager had me working on the three RIBs outboards. The rest of time spent doing various steel, electrical, plumbing and cleaning projects. The shore crew consists of a manager, chief engineer and a cook as permanent and then about 10 volunteers from around the world with varying degrees of skills. Then there are a contingent of local Melbourne volunteers who come for the day to either work or stand watch. All the shore stuff we do is pretty mundane. But come December, the crew does hang their butt out there in defense of the whales. Kevin, I can fully understand your opposition to our tactics. I had reservations also before I came here. Greenpeace actually hates Sea Shepherd. But since learning more and talking to people who been on the campaigns, I'm pretty OK with what Sea Shepherd does. In the 30 years that Sea Shepherd has operated, they boast that no one, crew or opponent has ever been seriously hurt or killed during an action. And no crew member has ever been convicted of any crime. From my own standpoint, the greatest risk during the campaign is to the Sea Shepherd crew members. Actually the greatest risk is to the 1000 whales if we weren't there. |
| WT |
Hey Matt: Glad to see you're helping the whales. Strike 3 is waiting for the three of us to take her out for some rock cod. Stay safe, Warren |
| frontier |
Is this an ad for the Sea Shepherd fund raising group? Anything about whales or seals or whatever the Sea Shepherd group claims as fact we all need to ask the question "That's interesting - I wonder if it's true? Currently the Canadian Coast Guard is holding under guard the Sea Shepherd ship "Farley Mowat" in Sydney Harbor for breaking Canadian laws. The Captain and First Officer are charged with crimes. |
| elaelap |
frontier, Whether you believe it or not, each year thousands of baby harp seals are brutally killed for their fur, unfortunately with the Canadian government's sanction. It's illegal under Canadian law to even take photos of the slaughter, let alone interfere in any way. Tens of thousands of Canadians and people from all over the world protest the hunt each year in various ways, and some violate the misguided laws by doing so, just as many people in this country participated in non-violent civil disobedience and purposefully violated unjust segregation laws during the 'sixties. Sea Shepherd activists did involve themselves in the continuing campaign against the seal slaughter, and the Canadian government reacted unwisely and charged some members with crimes. As one political philosopher stated: "When laws and rules are foolish and serve no purpose, an honorable man is duty-bound to disregard them. It's the only way to prevent our lives from being governed by fools." The entire world (except for Japan and Norway) condemns whale hunting, and the Sea Shepherd organization has taken courageous action for many years to 1) interfere with the killing; and 2) to draw attention to what's going on; to raise public consciousness. If you believe that whales should be slaughtered for food, fine, that's your right. But please don't attack and insult courageous, committed people who put themselves in harms way to protect the creatures. If you want to find out more about these and other Sea Shepherd activities, go to their website and educate yourself. Finally, it's not a liberal vs conservative thing. Sea Shepherd volunteers come from all areas of the political spectrum, and many principled conservatives are as concerned about environmental issues as liberals, no matter what idiots like Rush Fatbaugh might say. Tony |
| placerville |
The "Farley Mowat" was in Canada to film the seal hunt. Which yes is illegal to film. At the time they were seized, they were in international waters. The Canadian Coast Guard seized the ship to cover up their botched towing of sealing vessel vessel that had lost power. This resulted in the vessel capsizing while under tow with tragic loss all 4 crew members. This is what Sea Shepherd opposes and will take an active stand against: Frontier, if you believe in all these things, that's your right. Bet you'd love it if it occurred in your Puget Sound. |
| kazankota |
Hats off to you Matt! Thanks for taking a stand. And yes they were in international waters, not Canadaian waters, however it was easier to have them removed by saying they violated the boundary. I am a veterinarian who went to school in Prince Edward Island, Canada and have experience with the seal hunt. One thing I can tell you is that the annual seal hunt is an unneccesary atrocity, serving absolutely no purpose. I love Canada and it is a wonderfull country (my wife and kids are Canadian), however Canadians should be embarrassed that they let this continue each year. |
| crab |
Tony is it okay to kill for sport as you do. It's not illegal to film the the seal hunt but it is illegal to interfere and indanger people's life. Why don't you visit Atlantic Canada get the truth instead of Paul Watsons propaganda. |
| jimh |
I believe that killing whales is an anachronistic barbarism. It should be stopped. If abandoning whaling would cause economic harm to a few people employed in the industry in Japan and Norway, their governments ought to provide some economic relief and end their whaling. |
| Tom W Clark |
Good on you Matt. You and Sea Shepherd Conservation Society have my deep respect. As a show of my support (and as a direct response to some of the criticism leveled above) I have just made a $100 donation to Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. Perhaps others may choose to join me: |
| crab |
Jim I also oppose whaling, as well as bottom trawling which cause's habitat destruction.If the sea shepard society wanted to do good why is that not on the list.Climate change as caused more seals to be crushed to death from poor sea ice conditions than hunting, maybe we should all stop using our whalers to stop killing seals. |
| towboater |
What is this, the Bodega Bay Vagabond Society? hehe. Bodega Bay "Clay" (His Dad owns one of the Marina's) is up here trying to restore a 180 ft Trawler. I dont know enough about the Whale situation to form a opinion, but I do know, if I was Skipper on a ship that had orders to harvest whales legally, I would do everything within my power to protect my vessel/crew from harm. Matt, be careful with this. mk |
| frontier |
I really, honestly, do admire the passion that some of you folks have for this cause. Questioning where your donated money goes, however, is something ALL of us need to do, no matter what the cause. Don't be threatened by that. |
| Ernest T Bass |
If I was there I'd throw rocks at them whalers. |
| jstachowiak |
Steve Irwin story links: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18176709 I understand from some scientists that whales are so full of mercury they are sometimes treated as a toxic waste and the market for whale meat in Japan is not that good given teh high levels of muercury. |
| placerville |
This is all healthy conversation pro and con. I expected it when I first posted. Even within my own family. That's all fine. Towboater, you bring up an insightful sailor's view of this. I had many a conversation with Tuco regarding the qualifications of people I'd find on the ship. There are definitely some folks onboard who have more zeal than skill. But the chief engineer is a semi-retired Scottish chap whose knowledge and experience puts mine to shame. And Paul Watson, love him or hate him is a hard core sailor. I've watched video of the RIBs in action. I always felt like I can drive a boat pretty well. Not like these guys. Of course the nature of this ship isn't getting from point A to point B safely. But everyone who signs up knows this. As you surely know, on any ship, there will be pros and slackers. Crab, Sea Shepherd hasn't done anything regarding trawlers. But they have done campaigns against longliners and driftnetting. They've hauled ups miles of ghost nets (drift nets that have long since been abandoned). Of course these don't generate any press and hence dollars for our campaigns. We fully understand that press and propaganda are weapons that we use and will be used against us. Frontier, I agree that you shouldn't give a penny to Sea Shepherd or any organization without know where the $$ are going. Tom Clark, Thanks! Matt |
| frontier |
My main concern with Paul Watson (Sea Shepard founder) is his tactics. His activism includes the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and now Sea Shepherd. I live in the Pacific Northwest in a wood products producing area and worked in a logging camp for years. Paul Watson is the self-proclaimed inventor of "Tree Spiking", which involves pounding a metal rod or even a ceramic rod into a tree to discourage logging. |
| elaelap |
Fact check: It is believed that tree spiking originated in timber logging labor disputes in the Pacific Northwest of the United States in the late 1800s. It came to prominence as a contentious tactic within unconventional environmentalist circles during the 1980s, after it was advocated by Earth First! co-founder Dave Foreman in his book Ecodefense. Some tree spikers tend to mark the spiked trees, ostensibly to deter the harvesting of the spiked trees. This practice along with directly informing milling companies is a key practice when tree spiking, since the objective is to stop the cutting of the tree, not damaging the chainsaw. Some sawmill operators check trees with metal detectors prior to milling. Also, chainsaws are equipped with chain guards that are designed to prevent a broken chain from injuring the operator. Due to the intentional informing of sawmills to the presence of tree spikes and logging company safety practices the likelihood of human injury is considered negligible by activists. While Foreman claimed that injury to humans was an unlikely consequence of tree-spiking if the spiking was made known to authorities or logging companies, the tactic was condemned not only by the companies themselves, but by labor interests and, eventually, other members of Earth First. Tony |
| towboater |
Logging is legal Tuco. Trees serve a purpose for mankind, no less than cattle or a corn field. To quote Matt; Tree Arrow is in jail. Matt has my blessings...dont get me wrong here. Im not nearly as concerned about qualifications of Irwin's Bridge Crew as I am their attitude & resolve. Keep in mind, I read Matts posts more than others since we both bought GSA Divemasters and restored around the same time. I tried to keep up with him...spoke to him on the phone about rub rails and other BS and maybe Im taking a big of a big brother attitude here. Sorry. I care. I know he is nothing near Tree Arrow, rather, an adventurist, like another guy from Bodega Bay. The methods of DISRUPTING a legal harvest bothers me. What is "Greenpeace on steroids"? Keep your options open Matt. mk |
| jimh |
One fundamental difference between trees and whales, other than the obvious sentient being distinction, is that someone owns trees. If the owner of a tree wants to cut it down, that ought to be his privilege. Clearly pelagic whales swimming around the globe are not owned by anyone other than perhaps the collective earth. Logging is a land based activity quite far from boating, although I suppose the teak we appreciate so much on our classic Boston Whalers came from logging. You can argue about how the guy who owns the trees came to own them, but if someone owns a tree and wants to cut it down, that is a completely different situation than a few renegade nations out on the high seas killing whales under the dubious imprimatur of science and research. |
| elaelap |
Guys, guys--I only posted that Wikipedia quote to "fact check" frontier's assertion that Sea Shepherd leader Paul Watson didn't invent tree spiking, as frontier asserted. As far as I know, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society concerns itself with environmental problems involving the ocean, and has nothing at all to do with interfering with logging operations or tree spiking, frontier's assertion notwithstanding. Tony |
| elaelap |
And I assert, again and again, that my post just above this one is about as clumsy and grammatically unsound as they get. Hope you get the point anyway. Tony Musta been the Guiness ;-) |
| frontier |
Tony, you're right, you have had a little too much. As I said in my post "Paul Watson is the 'self proclaimed' inventer of tree spiking". He has said he wants to be known for that. And he's proud of it. Most people who encourage violence to make a point want the notoriety. |
| HAPPYJIM |
I live in a logging area where southern pine is a big commodity. I have friends that are loggers and lumberman. When spiked trees are harvested and brought to the mill the logs go through a metal detector. Any metal found in the log is just discarded and left to rot in the back lot. It's a real waste of our resources. The trees still get cut down but it's too dangerous to use them for anything. I married a Newfoundlander(and happily divorced) whose extended family hunted seals. Tradition thing. I saw the other side of the coin and understand why they do it. Seal flipper pie was a delicious treat and felt honored to be invited to the affair. Different folks do different things in this big world of ours. I'm sure you will be careful out there, Matt. |
| 17 bodega |
Glad to hear your trip is going well Matt, Good job. I'm waiting some diving action. I've researched a few spots near your secret spot! I've been watching "Megabite" drive by the boat ramp while cleaning out those reefs up North! |
| placerville |
To clarify some points. In 1986, the internationaly whaling commission banned commercial whaling. That means it is legal for indigenous people to hunt for their consumption and yes harvesting for research is legal. Taking 1000 whales in the name of research is just wrong. Greenpeace will have nothing to due with Sea Shepherd. Officially, they condemn our tactics. Unofficially, we steal their thunder (press) and that means loss of $$$. Towboater, when I say "disrupt", I don't mean to sink. Our ship would lose that battle in a hurry. We're a fraction of the weight of the factory ship. There are rammings in Sea Shepherd's past. In the collision you can see on Youtube, we were running close alongside them when they used their size and bulk to force our ship into the ice. Quite a brilliant move on their part. We'll be throwing stink bombs and smoke on their deck. Our Zodiacs will be doing circles around them. Last year two crew members boarded their vessel to hand a letter to the captain telling them to go home. Yes, a stunt. They stopped working until it got sorted out. Money poured in A while this is happening, whales aren't killed, quotas not met. Winters coming down there. Let's go home, we only got 800 this years and didn't cover costs. The best thing we can make happen, is to have it not economically feasable to whale. And no Japanese whaler can get hurt. If we cause a whaler's death, we know we'd be screwed. The analogy I use is this: And Towboater, can you please stop using the term "Jap". Steve, Yeah I can't wait to go out diving with you. Matt |
| wezie |
Just remember that old "Steve and his Money", has a cause today involving whales. He is right and everyone else is wrong. Tomorrow his cause may be "You". Then you will be wrong. Be careful who/what you support. Just thinking ahead. |
| Mobjack |
Unless you are a zealot on either end of the spectrum, this is a very difficult topic to consider. On one hand, we have a truly magnificent group of species that are highly intelligent and a living monument to the power of nature. For our entire seafaring history, we have pursued and killed these animals in one way or another. These practices obviously have their root in subsistence cultures for whom one whale could provide for a variety of needs, from food to tools. In those ancient gambits, the whales won more than they lost, but by the late nineteenth century it became clear that we could actually wipe them out for good with overfishing and technology that is, by today's standards, crude. I don't think it is debatable that this world would be a lesser place without them. Enter the Japanese. They have scoffed at the moratorium, and under the guise of "research," have planned to harvest hundreds of whales. These are some of the same folks who for decades have helped to fuel the black market trade in rhino horns and bear gall bladders, usually because they value them as "aphrodesiacs." Unchecked, I believe the Japanese whaling fleet could cause irreparable harm to the worldwide whale population. However, I don't condone, in any fashion, operations which violate the rules of the road in international waters. These are commercial fishing vessels, doing a job. These situations, which sometimes end with intentional collisions, are dangerous, imprudent, and will eventually result in loss of life on one or both sides. Imagine how Americans would raise hell if a pair of Japanese guys in a Zodiac tried to board the Northwestern to "deliver a letter" to Captain Sig, because they disagreed with where he was crab fishing. It would be an international incident!! |
| towboater |
whoa Mate. Jap is typo. Abreviated w/o a dot. Social reference never crossed my mind. My brother-in-laws last name is Chan. He is one of my best friends, I introduced him to my Sister. Other Rellies live in Cairns and would take you in if you ever get up north. High seas Piracy (illegal fishing) is a huge but underrated International problem. Thanks for your efforts. Take care, keep us posted. mk
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| Tom W Clark |
Well, it seems the courts are finally willing to admit that The Emperor Has No Clothes. Tony would be pleased: http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/ 2023267093_apxworldcourtjapanaustralia.html |
| fluke |
That's good news! We really miss Tony here. Mark |
| jimh |
The decision of the court at The Hague has formalized what was already just about a universally held opinion about the invalidity of the scientific or research aspect of the Japanese whaling in the Southern Ocean. |
| EJO |
I use my little whale(sp pun intended) for pleasure and how many of you fellow whalers use them to kill fish by catching them (those poor fish). As stated in this thread B-4 it is a question of law and ownership. Research is research and you don't kill a 1000 whales for research especially not as efficiently as these Japanese whale-ships do. They do it for profit and if that is against the law (International Law). Therefore I then take my red BW hat off for those running interference. Spiking a tree on private land in a tree that is not owned by the "spiker" is against the law. Change the law/laws if you don't want them logged. I envy your adventure Matt. |
| pete r |
Yea !!!! At last the world has recognised their horrible tradition. Unfortunately Japan will only move practise elsewhere. meantime, good to see the ship in my home town. |
| Don SSDD |
Whales are an endangered species, Canada gave up whaling a long time ago. Harp and other seals in Atlantic Canada are not an endangered species, in fact they are a huge predator of species of fish that are endangered. There are millions of seals here, if there is a shortage of ice, you will see them on roads and lawns near the ocean. Killing a seal, if done humanely, is no different than killing any fish that you catch with a hook, other than some people think they are much cuter. They are a great resource for raising money from the general public who are largely ignorant of the fact that seals in Atlantic Canada are not endangered, they are a pest if anything. I totally agree with what is being done to stop any harvest of whales anywhere in the world. But harp seals 2013 numbers: Harp Seals: There are three harp seal populations in the north Atlantic; the stock in Atlantic Canada and western Greenland is the largest. The Northwest Atlantic harp seal population is healthy and abundant with an estimated population of 7.4 million animals, almost three times what it was in the 1970s. |
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