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Author | Topic: Brunswick to close Bayliner plant |
SC Joe |
posted 11-16-2008 09:47 PM ET (US)
And another one goes... |
SC Joe |
posted 11-16-2008 09:52 PM ET (US)
Brunswick is hemorrhaging jobs. I forgot to add this one: |
glen e |
posted 11-16-2008 09:58 PM ET (US)
Every employee of Brubnswick -in every division- is ordered to take 7 days off before Jan 1, 2009 without pay. They can choose which days...and Merc just got a new president last week. |
glen e |
posted 11-16-2008 09:59 PM ET (US)
damn no edit site..."Brunswick" |
SC Joe |
posted 11-16-2008 10:05 PM ET (US)
I hate to see anyone lose their jobs; I hope things turn around soon for them. Budget cuts have hit the state of SC as well--Clemson University employees are also being furloughed for 5 days without pays as well and other state agencies are attempting to not lay folks off. |
seabob4 |
posted 11-16-2008 10:06 PM ET (US)
Glen, who's the new prez? |
an86carrera |
posted 11-16-2008 10:19 PM ET (US)
What we should really be concerned with is what is the old chief's golden parachute going to cost us?? That is the problem with our free enterprise system. How many CEO or such jobs would any of us need to retire and screw the employees. It does not go as planned, you get fired but hell I still get my bonus for saving money on paper. nuf said.. Len |
WT |
posted 11-17-2008 02:20 AM ET (US)
It ain't even ugly yet. Wait until unemployment hits 20%. Then many more boat builders will shut their doors. Warren |
Sal A |
posted 11-17-2008 05:39 AM ET (US)
Unemployment is at 12.5% if it is calculated the same way it was 20 years ago. |
Ridge Runner |
posted 11-17-2008 10:25 AM ET (US)
LAKE FOREST, Ill. (November 6, 2008) -- Brunswick Corporation (NYSE: BC) today named Mark D. Schwabero, 55, president of Mercury Marine, the world's largest manufacturer of marine engines. Schwabero most recently led the outboard business at the Brunswick unit, and in his new capacity, will continue to report to Dustan E. McCoy, Brunswick's chairman and chief executive officer. "Since joining Mercury Marine in 2004, Mark has been an integral member of a management team that has secured Mercury's position as the industry leader in technology, quality and operational excellence," said McCoy. "Mercury has been at the forefront of marine-engine manufacturing since the company's inception in 1939, and that tradition will carry on under Mark's leadership as Mercury products will continue to meet the evolving demands of discriminating and ecology-minded consumers," McCoy added. Schwabero will lead a seasoned and successful management team that will include Kevin S. Grodzki and Stephen M. Cramer. This trio had most recently been jointly leading Mercury. "We are fortunate to have had such an experienced and cohesive management team in place at Mercury," explained McCoy. "Mark, Kevin and Steve have each played key roles in shaping and executing the strategies and day-to-day conduct in elevating Mercury's performance. Going forward, we will continue to benefit from their combined and complementary expertise in advancing Mercury's industry leadership position by fostering innovation, introducing new products to the marketplace, and further expanding its growing international presence." Schwabero joined Mercury in 2004 with 28 years experience as a senior executive in the automotive and commercial vehicle industries. During that time, he had leadership positions in such companies as Hendrickson International, Pilkington Libbey-Owens-Ford, Bosch Braking Systems North America, and Navistar International. Schwabero holds both a bachelor's of science degree and master's of science degree in industrial and systems engineering from Ohio State University, where he was recognized with the University's Distinguished Alumnus Award in 1991 and a Meritorious Service Award in 2008. |
Whalerdog |
posted 11-17-2008 05:56 PM ET (US)
Warren how was the unemployment based 20 years ago differently. |
WT |
posted 11-18-2008 01:47 AM ET (US)
Whalerdog: Look at section titled "United States Bureau of Labor Statistics". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment Warren |
WT |
posted 11-18-2008 01:55 AM ET (US)
chopbuster: Let's say my 170 Montauk had a cut-off problem that my Boston Whaler dealer and Mercury Marine could not resolve. Do you think that a politician could solve my problem? So let's say Wall Street is broken and the Wall Street professionals and PHD's from Harvard Business School can't figure out a solution. Do you think that a politician could solve the problem? The politician can only throw your money and my money at the problem, hoping that it might go away. Good luck to all, Warren |
wezie |
posted 11-18-2008 07:19 AM ET (US)
Joe, your abilities fit the job description of a headline writer for one of the media companies. Sensationalism. Another one goes!!! Shout it from the mountains!!! Is the plant front door padlocked? Most of all are you making the situation worse by mis-stating the information. The plant is closing for a few days. That is not good for anyone there. Duuh, sales are off and that is expected. They are trying to keep it together so there will be a future. I would imagine that the employees are not surprised; and though not pleased, are at this point happy that there is still some promise of a job. There is one area in which you can be sure there will be few if any layoffs!! I just hope that the shouting and glee about the slow down will subside and allow the system to stabilize. I am not the least bit happy that boat sports sales are slow. I pray that those folks have their jobs come the new year; however I am not going to shout the supposed news from the hill tops. |
fourdfish |
posted 11-18-2008 07:45 AM ET (US)
wezie-- Please, Joe's post won't make any difference at all. Besides, it is out on the internet for all to see. |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 11-18-2008 07:46 AM ET (US)
WT, that section doesn't say anything about it being measured differently 20 years ago.
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SC Joe |
posted 11-18-2008 08:48 AM ET (US)
Wezie, It's not like I made the story up; I picked it up as a link from Boatingnews.com. Perhaps you should ask them not to report the news. I didn't see it to be temporary; it appeared they are shifting the manufacturing to another location and these jobs are gone. Perhaps I missed something you saw. |
Sal A |
posted 11-18-2008 08:55 AM ET (US)
Regarding unemployment: This article discusses the unemployment rate, and backs up my claim. The jist of it is, that although the official unemployment rate is 6.5%, once people become discouraged and give up looking for work, they magically are no longer considered unemployed in the statistics. Poof. They disappear. In addition in today's employment statistics, laughably the government feels that in this historic slowdown in building and construction that jobs were created in businesses that "are too small to measure". Amazing. The article I sited discusses this and much more. |
Sal A |
posted 11-18-2008 09:09 AM ET (US)
The best(worst) part of it is that the government is adding payroll, and its statistics are growing, for the two biggest bureaucracies in our economy, and the two things that are arguably hurting it the most: the government and healthcare. |
elaelap |
posted 11-18-2008 12:41 PM ET (US)
Let's not forget the U.S. military budget, Sal. Over one-half one trillion dollars budgeted for 2009, not counting, of course, the billions upon billions we'll never know about budgeted via black book secrecy for clandestine ops. Just imagine what $10 billion per month per year for six years totally wasted on the disasterous Iraq mess could have done for this nation's infastructure, schools, health care, etc. There's gotta be a better way... Tony |
elaelap |
posted 11-18-2008 12:42 PM ET (US)
Whoops...make that "infrastructure". |
fourdfish |
posted 11-18-2008 01:04 PM ET (US)
I know I said it before but.....I just cannot help saying that the goofs in charge at Brunswick have no foresight. They saw what happened to OMC when they bought all those boat companies and the result of that fiasco! Brunswick is a recreation business and they knew what could happen if they |
A2J15Sport |
posted 11-18-2008 02:51 PM ET (US)
fourdfish wrote: "Brunswick has one section which may carry them thru this period. That is the Exercise equipment division. Life Fitness machines are quality pieces of equipment which have a very good reputation. However, some upstart competitors with good equipment are at this moment moving in on the business." "For NOW" are the key words. We (Americans) love "cheap", especially "knock offs". We'll support the Red (China) state as long as we get stuff cheap. Be damned the patent rights, etc. It's atrocious what is out there. The blatant copies of American designs produced and distributed, ignoring patent rights. A great design of a freind of mine was "ripped off" and he has NO say even though he had a so called international patent right. That international patent right cost him $10K. So far, he's SOL. It will take years to go through the courts. It's not worth the $10K to fight it. Let the Chinese have it. He sees his idea being sold and there is not one damn thing he can do about it. At least not financially. What's the use of "thinking" only to see it ripped off? |
L H G |
posted 11-18-2008 03:26 PM ET (US)
Come on, Fourdy. You've got it 100% backwards on your OMC analogy. OMC went broke on terrible engine performance and quality, not boats. As a matter of fact, the boats were their strong component, and were quickly picked up by buyers. Only now are those same boat companies, like all boat companies including the SeaDoo stuff, in trouble. Brunswick, unlike OMC, has a strong engine business. This is the worst economic situation in 70 years. All business, and almost all citizens, have been caught up in it to some extent. Maybe the fact that the American public, taken as whole, for the last thirty years were borrowing and purchasing over their heads, living extravagantly on foreign goods and debt, building a huge trade deficit while all the times hiring foreign workers to build our goods while firing our own workers for building inferior goods, at too high a cost. Kind of hard to blame Brunswick for all of this. Now we all pay. Maybe Brunswick should have forseen this collapse little better, like those same people who SOLD them their boat companies, but that is pretty harsh judgement to make, considering the others who are doing no better, like the banks. |
fourdfish |
posted 11-18-2008 03:28 PM ET (US)
A2J--I agree, however, I don't know how that applies to the expensive high quality equipment which LifeFitness produces. This is for the most part, commercial Health Club type equipment which sells for fairly high prices. Major players include Precor etc. Maybe the Chinese are involved however, I do not know how. I agree that the Chinese constantly violate our product market but they don't do it openly. |
fourdfish |
posted 11-18-2008 03:46 PM ET (US)
Larry- If you actually read my post you would have noticed that I did not say WHY OMC went bankrupt. I said that buying the boat companies made the problem far worse than it could have been. Poor management and putting out FICHT engines before they were ready were their biggest downfall. Having all those recreational boat companies was a big farce. Did the boat companies save them from bankruptcy. HELL NO! Their ownership pushed them over the edge. Could they have sold them in order to save themselves. HELL NO! They lost the biggest part of their investment in them and they went on the block dirt cheap. What good I think came out of it, was the fact that the boat companies, for the most part did not close forever. Brunswick is closing these companies forever. Even Schwinn Bicycle sold the name and some company is making Schwinn bikes. BTW- the sale of the engine business has not been bad |
A2J15Sport |
posted 11-18-2008 04:07 PM ET (US)
fourdfish, The "level" of expense does not matter. They're here and we LOVE it. Again, we like-CHEAP. Cheap does not necessarily mean the level of build. It looks the same on the outside, thus we buy. It does open up other questions. 1. Who (Americans) supports it? 2. Who pays for failures? So, 1. We all do. 2. We all do. I have actually been asked, by unknowing customers, to pay for repairs for equipment (with our name on it) that WE DID NOT make. It's identical, in appearance. What do we do about that? This goes a lot deeper than brand protection. It undermines our entire patent process. Not to mention our manufacturing base. This is all about the education system we have here. We have at least, for two generations, uneducated our offspring as to basic capitalist economics. What I'm trying to say here as that we've been far to open. We let our secrets/ideas out with no regard as to how they may be used to hurt us. I'm not a "protectionist" but we need to keep our citizens ideas-HERE. If somneone likes them, let them pay for them. |
fourdfish |
posted 11-18-2008 04:35 PM ET (US)
A2J-- I'm with you on that! I'm a protectionist also and a conservative when it comes to business. It is time we start charging the rest of the world more for our products and controlling our imports. We should never allow dumping of goods on our doorstep. I for one do not buy cheap. I try to buy American if at all possible and think we need to charge the people of the world more for our agricultural products. Why are we still giving food away? This economy is akin to a war and we are not fighting back. |
A2J15Sport |
posted 11-18-2008 07:47 PM ET (US)
fourdfish, Thanks. I came on a bit strong but it's nice to see that someone, at least, is on the same page. There's always room for debate and compromise. |
chopbuster |
posted 11-21-2008 01:18 AM ET (US)
Happy Days, ARE here again ! |
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