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chopbuster posted 01-11-2009 06:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for chopbuster  
Have any readers bought a new or left over Boston Whaler boat just prior to the onset of the recent incentive programs? Have any of those buyers gone back to their dealer looking for financial relief?
chuck130 posted 01-11-2009 07:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for chuck130  Send Email to chuck130     
I' wondering the same. I just purchased a new 2009 late fall 2008.--Chuck
SC Joe posted 01-11-2009 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
I bought an 2008 Boston Whaler, when there were no incentives in Aug '08. There were no rebates nor free extended warranty incentives (though I may still buy the extended engine warranty).

I didn't even get the free anniversary scale model they were giving away earlier in the year!

I came across my boat that had several factory options I wanted at a highly reduced price, so I went for it. I felt the trade off in savings I got with the options my boat has was worth it, and still do. I did call Mercury and Boston Whaler several times in the preceding weeks to my purchase to see if they had any upcoming sales or incentives, and at that time, they did not.

I gambled that they would not be discounting until spring, and lost the gamble. Oh well. As stated in another thread, I won't trade my '08 for an '09 just to get a $2000 ($1500 off and $500 customer loyalty incentive).

I did however, get a 50th anniversary keychain.

BlueMax posted 01-12-2009 08:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
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BlueMax posted 01-12-2009 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Caveat Emptor...

I purchased a new F-150 back in 2006. For a while that year Ford was running 0% finance incentive - when I purchased the incentive had changed to a little more cash back and 4.9% finance for 72 months. The dealer could not, and would not, offer me 0% - I had a choice, take the current offer or wait until they (hopefully) ran the 0% finance again. As I was in and out of town quite a bit at the time and wanted/needed the truck to take care of things while I was home (such as hauling stuff for shoring up the driveway and doing the landscaping), I went with the current offer and took the 4.9% for 72 months.

Lo and behold the following month or so - maybe 4-5 weeks later - they once again offered 0%. I went back to the dealer and inquired as to how I could restructure to get that deal. Essentially they said "buy a new truck." Ford was in the sales business and not in the refinance or retro-finance business. I think we will find that it is very much the same with BW. Purchase terms were negotiated, spelled out and agreed to - stinks for the buyer that better terms (for whatever myriad of reasons) may become available sometime after the purchase.

Out of curiosity - how far back should BW go in their gesture to previous owners - and wouldn't we have the same "what about me?" argument from those that purchased just prior to that retro-active cut-off date?

I don't know how many "ordinary" (non-commercial) folks buy a brand new replacement boat every couple of years to begin with - especially Whalers that are somewhat expected to last a lifetime - unless they are moving up or down in size, or changing models for whatever reason.

I would be interested to know just how much of BW's new boat sales are repeat customers and how much time on average elapses between those purchases (folks that have purchased new before and are purchasing new again; not folks that had bought a "new to you" re-sale and liked it enough to make it the brand of choice for a brand-new-from-the-dealer boat next time they purchase).
I think that would be an interesting bit of trivia for us here on CW, if BW even keeps such statistics.

BlueMax posted 01-12-2009 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
I hope this doesn't post twice - I just wrote a reply and hit submit, but it completely disappeared (I don't believe I hit "clear fields" as I got the Thanks for posting screen and redirected back to the conversation)

In general I wrote:

Caveat Emptor.

Back in 2006 I purchased a brand new F-150. For a while that year Ford was offering 0% finance, but when I went to purchase the offer changed to a little more back and 4.9% for 72 months. I had a choice to make, take the current offer or wait and hope that they would offer 0% again sometime in the future. Since I was in and out of town quite a bit at the time and wanted/needed the truck for getting things done around the house and property, I took the deal. Lo and behold about a month or so later - like 4-5 weeks - Ford offered 0% financing again. I went back to the dealer and asked how I could re-structure to get 0%. Essentially they said "buy a new truck." Ford was in the sales business and not in the re-finance or retro-finance business. I believe we will find BW to be the same.

Out of curiosity - how far back would you want BW to go with their retro offer, and wouldn't we have the same "what about me?" argument from those that fall outside of that cut-off date?

I would be interested to know just how many of BW's new boat sales are repeat customers. Folks that bought their previous BW brand new and are purchasing brand new again (not a "new to you" re-sale owner now buying brand new next time around). I think that would be a neat bit of trivia for us here on CW, if BW even keeps such statitistics.

BlueMax posted 01-12-2009 10:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
I hope this doesn't post twice - I just wrote a reply and hit submit, but it completely disappeared (I don't believe I hit "clear fields" as I got the Thanks for posting screen and redirected back to the conversation)

In general I wrote:

Caveat Emptor.

Back in 2006 I purchased a brand new F-150. For a while that year Ford was offering 0% finance, but when I went to purchase the offer changed to a little more back and 4.9% for 72 months. I had a choice to make, take the current offer or wait and hope that they would offer 0% again sometime in the future. Since I was in and out of town quite a bit at the time and wanted/needed the truck for getting things done around the house and property, I took the deal. Lo and behold about a month or so later - like 4-5 weeks - Ford offered 0% financing again. I went back to the dealer and asked how I could re-structure to get 0%. Essentially they said "buy a new truck." Ford was in the sales business and not in the re-finance or retro-finance business. I believe we will find BW to be the same.

Out of curiosity - how far back would you want BW to go with their retro offer, and wouldn't we have the same "what about me?" argument from those that fall outside of that cut-off date?

I would be interested to know just how many of BW's new boat sales are repeat customers. Folks that bought their previous BW brand new and are purchasing brand new again (not a "new to you" re-sale owner now buying brand new next time around). I think that would be a neat bit of trivia for us here on CW, if BW even keeps such statitistics.

BlueMax posted 01-14-2009 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Booga-Booga-Booga....

Test Test. This thread is whacked. Test Test

Jefecinco posted 01-12-2009 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
A deal is a deal is a deal. No matter how well you do someone somewhere will do better. It's better to be lucky than to be smart.

Butch

Ritzyrags posted 01-12-2009 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Hey Joe,

No,
What I meant was that after having seen you shop elsewhere for the same product;
A competitive outfit would have learned from that and logically try a bit harder to get your patronage.
If I was that dealer and having lost you as a sale I would be asking questions to my sales department as to why you ended up shopping elsewhere for the same product..
That's a lot of money to see going elsewhere.
The important thing is that you are happy with your newest boat, right?

Ritzyrags posted 01-12-2009 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Let's try to stay on top of this one.
But then again,It wasn't me who dealt with the dealership..
It makes sense that the dealer will sell for a profit, looks like the personality of the PR department has somehow been neglected a bit.
Perhaps making regular visits and calling them by phone over a period of six months to a year may have put the prospective buyer on better terms with the dealership.
And this by getting a personal; one on one relationship with the salesmen.
And I mean by calling on first name basis here.
It is amazing what deals have been made by befriending the salesman's team at times.
PS- I am in sales with my own private business..And have been known to look after people that I befriended with that "extra mile" of care and attention.
Just to trow my experience at this one here but by no means attempting to explain as to the lack of satisfaction between two unknown parties...

Serge.

Ritzyrags posted 01-12-2009 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Let's try to stay on top of this one.
But then again,It wasn't me who dealt with the dealership..
It makes sense that the dealer will sell for a profit, looks like the personality of the PR department has somehow been neglected a bit.
Perhaps making regular visits and calling them by phone over a period of six months to a year may have put the prospective buyer on better terms with the dealership.
And this by getting a personal; one on one relationship with the salesmen.
And I mean by calling on first name basis here.
It is amazing what deals have been made by befriending the salesman's team at times.
PS- I am in sales with my own private business..And have been known to look after people that I befriended with that "extra mile" of care and attention.
Just to trow my experience at this one here but by no means attempting to explain as to the lack of satisfaction between two unknown parties...

Serge.

Ritzyrags posted 01-12-2009 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Sorry about the double post folks,
I was expecting it to show at the bottom of the thread..
Ritzyrags posted 01-12-2009 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Hey Joe,
Nice chatting with you again,

I have a question here..
After having bought your unit @ 30% below MSRP from the "other" dealer;
Did you drive to your local dealer with your prized boat and show them the great deal that you got?

SC Joe posted 01-11-2009 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
I guess they figure there isn't a real reason to help out any past customers. They already have my money.
SC Joe posted 01-12-2009 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
RR-

Yeah--I love the boat.

I doubt seriously the local dealer cares though; they didn't seem to care enough to drop the price any. This area ia unique market; seems like a pretty captive audience as far as I can tell.

SC Joe posted 01-12-2009 07:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
This thread is all jacked up.
SC Joe posted 01-12-2009 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
lol on the editing Jim.
SC Joe posted 01-12-2009 09:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Ritzyrags wrote: >>Let's try to stay on top of this one.
But then again,It wasn't me who dealt with the dealership..
It makes sense that the dealer will sell for a profit, looks like the personality of the PR department has somehow been neglected a bit.
Perhaps making regular visits and calling them by phone over a period of six months to a year may have put the prospective buyer on better terms with the dealership.
And this by getting a personal; one on one relationship with the salesmen.
And I mean by calling on first name basis here.
It is amazing what deals have been made by befriending the salesman's team at times.
PS- I am in sales with my own private business..And have been known to look after people that I befriended with that "extra mile" of care and attention.
Just to trow my experience at this one here but by no means attempting to explain as to the lack of satisfaction between two unknown parties...
Serge.<<<<

6 months to a year? I don't know about anyone else...but I don't want to talk to boat salesman that long. It was a boat, not a house, and I was ready to buy it.

I bought my boat 800 miles away because i couldn't get my local dealer to budge off of MSRP PLUS a few %'s. Had I "kept a relationship" with the local guy for 6 months to a year, think i could have gotten him to sell at just MSRP?

I ended up buying mine so far away because it was 25-30% below MSRP.

SC Joe posted 01-12-2009 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for SC Joe  Send Email to SC Joe     
Ritzyrags wrote: >>>Hey Joe,
Nice chatting with you again,
I have a question here..
After having bought your unit @ 30% below MSRP from the "other" dealer;
Did you drive to your local dealer with your prized boat and show them the great deal that you got?<<<

And of what value would that be for me? They have seen the boat, as they performed the 20hr (actually 15 hr) service on it.

but if you're going down the "save my local dealer" route...
I've always wondered about the "buy local at any cost" sentiment. What if I bought my boat in another state and moved? I couldn't get service performed then?

If my local dealer wanted to sell me a boat, they should have come off the price to make it worth it to me.

chopbuster posted 01-14-2009 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
windsenfl;

I can only surmise by your post that retro-active price discounts and/or quarantees are unfamiliar and foreign to your buying experieces. Too bad if you've been burned by failing to avail yourself of these common post sale offers.

Couln't help but notice all the redundant posts, what's up with that....I know, it's those damn mac computers and their damn os. Someone we all know and...well...needs to pull the trigger and get a PC...Perfect Computer.

wezie posted 01-14-2009 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for wezie  Send Email to wezie     
Come on Chopbuster, how much have you refunded lately to old customers or to those that you bought something from last year. Obviously you should have paid them more, so send it to them.
witsendfl posted 01-12-2009 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for witsendfl  Send Email to witsendfl     
chopbuster,

You own a fairly new Whaler 07 15 footer. Do you think that BW should give you some kind of financial rebate for a 2 year old boat? Heck why not give the folks some money who bought back in 1986. Who cares what Whaler spends on there dealers at annual dealer gatherings. It is there way of saying THANKS FOR BEING THERE AND SUPPORTING AND SELLING THE PRODUCT. What is a matter with that? It is called capitalism. Why do you feel that you are ENTITLED somehow because of there success? BW does have incentive programs for prior owners just like GM or whomever. Go out and make the best deal that you can.

Dealers and manufactuers must create an urgency to purchase NOW. Boat show sales pricing and rebates cannot go on forever.
What the heck is the purpose of having a sale if you really aren't having one. Sort of false advertizing in my eyes. Quit worrying about whether you got a good deal or not and whether your redistribution check is coming. Go out and enjoy your boat.

BlueMax posted 01-12-2009 01:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for BlueMax  Send Email to BlueMax     
Boston Whaler has no responsibility to offer "past" customers any new purchase options unless they are buying a new Boston Whaler vessel. Unless you buy your boat from Sears or Monkey Wards, the game has always been the same from the beginning of time - do you want to buy the product for the deal you can make on it today or not; you can wait for a better deal tomorrow or a week/month/year from now and maybe lose the deal you can make today - but it is up to you the purchaser. The retailer has no obligation to "make right" a deal you could have made better in hind sight when borrowing rates, market dictations and incentives change in the future.


PS - Thanks to whoever-the-heck-it-was that turned me on to Google toolbar spell check option.
Just looking at the mistakes after how fast and incorrectly I typed this post, Ize be a idjut!

chopbuster posted 01-11-2009 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster    
Thanks for sharing your experience.

What would it cost Boston Whaler to make even a partial incentive gesture with some sort of reduced discount or throwing in a few goodies for prior customers? If you knew what they spend on dealer getaways and conventions, you'd...never buy another whaler.

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