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Whaler19 posted 01-18-2009 04:24 PM ET (US)
Went to the Chicago Boat Show yesterday. Decent traffic, but I guess Thursday and Friday were light days. The BW dealer said they usually write 10-12 boats during the show, and will most likely do 3 deals this year.
On display - 11, 13, 15 Sport, 150 Montauk, 170 Montauk, 190 Montauk, 20 Danutless, 22 Outrage
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/?albumview=slideshow
Boat Show "Promos" !!!
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ ?albumview=slideshow
Here's a good shot of the 2009 170 console, which is higher than the 2003-2007 console. The background shows the 150 Montauk console, which is still the shorter version. The 3" makes a big difference.
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/Montauk%20170%20vs%20150%20console/ ?albumview=slideshow
Worried about the future of larger Whalers(and maybe Whaler)...the 2009 22 Outrage looks like crap compared to the Everglades products. Photos of 23 Everglades, 35 Everglades CC Cuddy w/900HP! 2009 Yamaha 350 on an Everglades 32. Also Pursuit 31 CC...beautiful ride.
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/Montauk%20170%20vs%20150%20console/Competition/ ?albumview=slideshow
Safe Boat (Chicago PD and Coast Guard)
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/Montauk%20170%20vs%20150%20console/Competition/ Safe%20%20Boat/?albumview=slideshow
Wish I could have gone for a boat ride after the show, so off to ice skating downtown and a few beers in Lincoln Park.
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/After%20Boat%20Show/ ?albumview=slideshow
jimh posted 01-18-2009 04:39 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the views of the Chicago Boat Show.
On the Pursuit boat in particular, but also on the Everglades, too, I noticed that beautifully finished wood seems to be making a return. There were tables and other wooden trim components on those boats, and they looked wonderful. They gave the boats a more yacht-like appearance. As long as you are going to spend enough money to get a yacht, the boat ought to at least look like a yacht.
fourdfish posted 01-18-2009 08:25 PM ET (US)
Thanks Whaler19 this is 3 years in a row I missed the show.
My kid didn't even go this year! He said the weather was crap.
lizard posted 01-18-2009 08:29 PM ET (US)
I have to agree, the Everglades blew Whaler out of the water at the boat show. The 17 Montauk had excess sealant in gobs, where the RPS met the deck. The hardware, fit and finish were terrible.
The Everglades was a remarkable beauty and filled with comfort and engineering. Unfortunately, it stood head and shoulders above the current Whaler line. It was sad in an odd way.
The 21 Everglades with motor of choice up to 200 cc, with trailer and a bunch of other amenities-$55K. They had most of the line powered with Yamahas and Suzukis.
Interesting story relayed about why Yamaha is the motor of choice in many countries, from a woman who has been in the marine industry since 1972- they obtained fishing rights in places no one else can fish in Central and South America and basically bought the right to near exclusivity. So she said.
lizard posted 01-18-2009 08:30 PM ET (US)
I have to agree, the Everglades blew Whaler out of the water at the boat show. The 17 Montauk had excess sealant in gobs, where the RPS met the deck. The hardware, fit and finish were terrible.
The Everglades was a remarkable beauty and filled with comfort and engineering. Unfortunately, it stood head and shoulders above the current Whaler line. It was sad in an odd way.
The 21 Everglades with motor of choice up to 200 cc, T-top, trailer, cushions and a bunch of other amenities-$55K. They had most of the line powered with Yamahas and Suzukis.
Interesting story relayed about why Yamaha is the motor of choice in many countries, from a woman who has been in the marine industry since 1972- they obtained fishing rights in places no one else can fish in Central and South America and basically bought the right to near exclusivity. So she said.
SC Joe posted 01-18-2009 09:24 PM ET (US)
Bob Dougherty--the Steve Jobs of the marine industry?
bdb posted 01-19-2009 09:23 AM ET (US)
Correction on the Everglades (our) display. No Suzukis. Mostly Verado with some Yamaha.
lizard posted 01-19-2009 10:55 AM ET (US)
They had twin 140 Suzukis on their 25 at our show. Did not see any Mercs. THey did tell us "power of choice" at signing.
lizard posted 01-19-2009 11:25 AM ET (US)
Maybe it was on the 27, not the 25, can't remember.
bdb posted 01-19-2009 01:39 PM ET (US)
Gee Lizard,
I do not mean to be argumentative, but the Everglades display is ours (Yacht Works, Inc.) and there were no Suzukis there...believe me. The 350LX had triple Verados; the 320 EX, twin Yamahas; the 290cc, twin Verados; the 230cc a single Verado.
Honest
bdb posted 01-19-2009 01:42 PM ET (US)
Well lizard, I just checked your profile and see you're in CT. Since the topic is the Chicago Boat Show I naturally thought your comments were were descriptive of the Chicago Boat Show. You must have been at another. Which one?
Whaler19 posted 01-19-2009 02:41 PM ET (US)
Yes, I think Lizard was talking about the New York boat show, and had the same "sinking" feeling about comparing the 2009 BW line to the competition.
I posted a few more shots of the Pursuit 31 CC. Great helm seating combination and wood work details.
I also noticed glue around the RPS base and rub rail on 170 Montauk.
I'm all about the success of BW, but if you look at the 2009 websites of Everglades and Pursuit (easier navigation, photos, videos) and compare the products (design, outboard options, fit and finish)...let's just say I wouldn't be buying any Brunswick stock anytime soon.
If Bob Dougherty has plans for an Everglades "Montauk" with Yamaha power...watch out.
Hopefully other CW members can report back on upcoming boat shows.
onlyawhaler posted 01-19-2009 06:12 PM ET (US)
Great comments and photos. I agree with your last post, Whaler 19 that if Bob and Everglades decided to build a 17 "Montauk" anything, especially classic, it would be a popular choice for alot of loyal Whaler owners and others as well.
Onlyawhaler
seabob4 posted 01-19-2009 06:22 PM ET (US)
You know, it's weird. Bob Doughtery has a magnificent career designing Whalers, Brunswick steps in, they don't see eye-to-eye, Doughtery leaves, starts Edgewater, which does well, sells it, starts Everglades, which is doing quite well despite...
Genmar buys Aquasport. Great line of boats. Buys a whole bunch of other boat lines. Decides to just totally s***can AS even though it has as loyal of following as BW.
What is it with these retards? Don't they get it?
lizard posted 01-19-2009 08:22 PM ET (US)
Boat shows on both coasts- NY and San Diego. There were definitely Suzukis on that boat. There were no Mercs in San Diego, I think there were Yamahas at both.
I could go on about how many things I noticed on the Montauk, in terms of slop. It really disappointed me.
The Everglades guy (Seal Beach CA) said he does not take in trade, anything later than a 2000 BW, as he has trouble unloading them, due to fit and finish, motor, etc problems. He was super. This is his second business, he sold 3 Everglades in the 2 preceding weeks between 25 and 32 ft. He does not need to make another sale for 9 mos. Very down to earth guy. I guess you get to be that way if your dealership is not desperate.
I was on Facebook recently and found an old friend in So. FLA. He has the 25 Everglades, with twin Hondas on it. He can't say enough about the boat. Very well appointed.
I, too, am about the survival of Boston Whaler, our family has been in them for 4 decades. The current boats have a long way to go in competition.
Finally, we left CA and warm weather and are presently looking for the snow shovel to dig out the walkway. Snow 3 days in a row, unusual for coastal CT. Took a walk on Silver Beach today- there is something about the New England coastline during snow.
bruser posted 01-23-2009 12:27 PM ET (US)
SEABOB4
The problem is the big guys dont have a passion for their product they have a passion for money.
The successful companies make a good product and the money comes to them, they don't chase it!
jeffs22outrage posted 01-23-2009 01:33 PM ET (US)
SeaBob,
It was my understanding Bob Doughtery was escorted off company property by Whaler. That sounds a little more heated than Bob deciding on his own leave because he did not see eye to eye with management.
seabob4 posted 01-23-2009 01:49 PM ET (US)
"Leaving" can be a relative term...
lizard posted 01-24-2009 12:12 AM ET (US)
I also understood that Dougherty was escorted off of the property and his daughter, briefly remained. The gestalt was he was talented, bright and difficult to work with.
The Everglades guy I met portrays him in another light- bright, easy to work with but calls the son a "nazi leader". As with most things in life, somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
Again, Everglades does not have the historical loyalty of 40+ years owners. Also, while not a marine expert, I do know fit and finish, quality, amenities. I can tell you, the Everglades boats are remarkably superior. And per the dealer, it is-
MOTOR OF CHOICE AT SIGNING. That is an important factor for me.

lizard posted 01-24-2009 12:13 AM ET (US)
Oops, I was referring to his departure from Edgewater.
hauptjm posted 01-24-2009 12:24 AM ET (US)
Not to pile on, but at the New Orleans boat show I came away with the same impressions.
I am/have been looking into something in the 23/24 foot range, center console, two engine market for roughly 6 months. I might have pulled the trigger this past fall, if it were not for the current affairs in my line of business. With that said, I do indeed intend to purchase something within the year and still maintain ownership of my Whaler. The Classic Outrage 18 is a wonderful boat for many uses.
Since, my pursuit (no pun intended) is to buy new, I am being overly cautious. I am very interested in the Everglades 23 and 24. Two very different boats in many more ways than just the 12 inches of hull length. Both are incredibly well built boats with an attention to detail rarely found at this size vessel. I am also considering the Pursuit line.
The 23 ft. Center Console from Pursuit is a wonderful package that can be had for a reasonable amount. Not Cheap by any means, but reasonable. With that said, there is a wide range of pricing with regard to the Everglades and Pursuit lines. Just with the Everglades the cost between the 23 and 24 can be as much as a $25,000 differential. These boats are not cheap.
In all of the comparisons of the various manufacturers (I'm looking at more than just the two), notice that Whaler is not among them. Although, they obviously have an appeal to someone, I think overall, there are better (not equal, but better) choices to be had in the size category I'm considering. And that's a shame.

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Whaler19	posted 01-18-2009 04:24 PM ET (US) Went to the Chicago Boat Show yesterday. Decent traffic, but I guess Thursday and Friday were light days. The BW dealer said they usually write 10-12 boats during the show, and will most likely do 3 deals this year. On display - 11, 13, 15 Sport, 150 Montauk, 170 Montauk, 190 Montauk, 20 Danutless, 22 Outrage http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/?albumview=slideshow Boat Show "Promos" !!! http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ ?albumview=slideshow Here's a good shot of the 2009 170 console, which is higher than the 2003-2007 console. The background shows the 150 Montauk console, which is still the shorter version. The 3" makes a big difference. http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/Montauk%20170%20vs%20150%20console/ ?albumview=slideshow Worried about the future of larger Whalers(and maybe Whaler)...the 2009 22 Outrage looks like crap compared to the Everglades products. Photos of 23 Everglades, 35 Everglades CC Cuddy w/900HP! 2009 Yamaha 350 on an Everglades 32. Also Pursuit 31 CC...beautiful ride. http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/Montauk%20170%20vs%20150%20console/Competition/ ?albumview=slideshow Safe Boat (Chicago PD and Coast Guard) http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/BW%20Promos/ BW%20Show%20Overview/Montauk%20170%20vs%20150%20console/Competition/ Safe%20%20Boat/?albumview=slideshow Wish I could have gone for a boat ride after the show, so off to ice skating downtown and a few beers in Lincoln Park. http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn121/Whaler19/After%20Boat%20Show/ ?albumview=slideshow
jimh	posted 01-18-2009 04:39 PM ET (US) Thanks for the views of the Chicago Boat Show. On the Pursuit boat in particular, but also on the Everglades, too, I noticed that beautifully finished wood seems to be making a return. There were tables and other wooden trim components on those boats, and they looked wonderful. They gave the boats a more yacht-like appearance. As long as you are going to spend enough money to get a yacht, the boat ought to at least look like a yacht.
fourdfish	posted 01-18-2009 08:25 PM ET (US) Thanks Whaler19 this is 3 years in a row I missed the show. My kid didn't even go this year! He said the weather was crap.
lizard	posted 01-18-2009 08:29 PM ET (US) I have to agree, the Everglades blew Whaler out of the water at the boat show. The 17 Montauk had excess sealant in gobs, where the RPS met the deck. The hardware, fit and finish were terrible. The Everglades was a remarkable beauty and filled with comfort and engineering. Unfortunately, it stood head and shoulders above the current Whaler line. It was sad in an odd way. The 21 Everglades with motor of choice up to 200 cc, with trailer and a bunch of other amenities-$55K. They had most of the line powered with Yamahas and Suzukis. Interesting story relayed about why Yamaha is the motor of choice in many countries, from a woman who has been in the marine industry since 1972- they obtained fishing rights in places no one else can fish in Central and South America and basically bought the right to near exclusivity. So she said.
lizard	posted 01-18-2009 08:30 PM ET (US) I have to agree, the Everglades blew Whaler out of the water at the boat show. The 17 Montauk had excess sealant in gobs, where the RPS met the deck. The hardware, fit and finish were terrible. The Everglades was a remarkable beauty and filled with comfort and engineering. Unfortunately, it stood head and shoulders above the current Whaler line. It was sad in an odd way. The 21 Everglades with motor of choice up to 200 cc, T-top, trailer, cushions and a bunch of other amenities-$55K. They had most of the line powered with Yamahas and Suzukis. Interesting story relayed about why Yamaha is the motor of choice in many countries, from a woman who has been in the marine industry since 1972- they obtained fishing rights in places no one else can fish in Central and South America and basically bought the right to near exclusivity. So she said.
SC Joe	posted 01-18-2009 09:24 PM ET (US) Bob Dougherty--the Steve Jobs of the marine industry?
bdb	posted 01-19-2009 09:23 AM ET (US) Correction on the Everglades (our) display. No Suzukis. Mostly Verado with some Yamaha.
lizard	posted 01-19-2009 10:55 AM ET (US) They had twin 140 Suzukis on their 25 at our show. Did not see any Mercs. THey did tell us "power of choice" at signing.
lizard	posted 01-19-2009 11:25 AM ET (US) Maybe it was on the 27, not the 25, can't remember.
bdb	posted 01-19-2009 01:39 PM ET (US) Gee Lizard, I do not mean to be argumentative, but the Everglades display is ours (Yacht Works, Inc.) and there were no Suzukis there...believe me. The 350LX had triple Verados; the 320 EX, twin Yamahas; the 290cc, twin Verados; the 230cc a single Verado. Honest
bdb	posted 01-19-2009 01:42 PM ET (US) Well lizard, I just checked your profile and see you're in CT. Since the topic is the Chicago Boat Show I naturally thought your comments were were descriptive of the Chicago Boat Show. You must have been at another. Which one?
Whaler19	posted 01-19-2009 02:41 PM ET (US) Yes, I think Lizard was talking about the New York boat show, and had the same "sinking" feeling about comparing the 2009 BW line to the competition. I posted a few more shots of the Pursuit 31 CC. Great helm seating combination and wood work details. I also noticed glue around the RPS base and rub rail on 170 Montauk. I'm all about the success of BW, but if you look at the 2009 websites of Everglades and Pursuit (easier navigation, photos, videos) and compare the products (design, outboard options, fit and finish)...let's just say I wouldn't be buying any Brunswick stock anytime soon. If Bob Dougherty has plans for an Everglades "Montauk" with Yamaha power...watch out. Hopefully other CW members can report back on upcoming boat shows.
onlyawhaler	posted 01-19-2009 06:12 PM ET (US) Great comments and photos. I agree with your last post, Whaler 19 that if Bob and Everglades decided to build a 17 "Montauk" anything, especially classic, it would be a popular choice for alot of loyal Whaler owners and others as well. Onlyawhaler
seabob4	posted 01-19-2009 06:22 PM ET (US) You know, it's weird. Bob Doughtery has a magnificent career designing Whalers, Brunswick steps in, they don't see eye-to-eye, Doughtery leaves, starts Edgewater, which does well, sells it, starts Everglades, which is doing quite well despite... Genmar buys Aquasport. Great line of boats. Buys a whole bunch of other boat lines. Decides to just totally s***can AS even though it has as loyal of following as BW. What is it with these retards? Don't they get it?
lizard	posted 01-19-2009 08:22 PM ET (US) Boat shows on both coasts- NY and San Diego. There were definitely Suzukis on that boat. There were no Mercs in San Diego, I think there were Yamahas at both. I could go on about how many things I noticed on the Montauk, in terms of slop. It really disappointed me. The Everglades guy (Seal Beach CA) said he does not take in trade, anything later than a 2000 BW, as he has trouble unloading them, due to fit and finish, motor, etc problems. He was super. This is his second business, he sold 3 Everglades in the 2 preceding weeks between 25 and 32 ft. He does not need to make another sale for 9 mos. Very down to earth guy. I guess you get to be that way if your dealership is not desperate. I was on Facebook recently and found an old friend in So. FLA. He has the 25 Everglades, with twin Hondas on it. He can't say enough about the boat. Very well appointed. I, too, am about the survival of Boston Whaler, our family has been in them for 4 decades. The current boats have a long way to go in competition. Finally, we left CA and warm weather and are presently looking for the snow shovel to dig out the walkway. Snow 3 days in a row, unusual for coastal CT. Took a walk on Silver Beach today- there is something about the New England coastline during snow.
bruser	posted 01-23-2009 12:27 PM ET (US) SEABOB4 The problem is the big guys dont have a passion for their product they have a passion for money. The successful companies make a good product and the money comes to them, they don't chase it!
jeffs22outrage	posted 01-23-2009 01:33 PM ET (US) SeaBob, It was my understanding Bob Doughtery was escorted off company property by Whaler. That sounds a little more heated than Bob deciding on his own leave because he did not see eye to eye with management.
seabob4	posted 01-23-2009 01:49 PM ET (US) "Leaving" can be a relative term...
lizard	posted 01-24-2009 12:12 AM ET (US) I also understood that Dougherty was escorted off of the property and his daughter, briefly remained. The gestalt was he was talented, bright and difficult to work with. The Everglades guy I met portrays him in another light- bright, easy to work with but calls the son a "nazi leader". As with most things in life, somewhere in the middle lies the truth. Again, Everglades does not have the historical loyalty of 40+ years owners. Also, while not a marine expert, I do know fit and finish, quality, amenities. I can tell you, the Everglades boats are remarkably superior. And per the dealer, it is- MOTOR OF CHOICE AT SIGNING. That is an important factor for me.
lizard	posted 01-24-2009 12:13 AM ET (US) Oops, I was referring to his departure from Edgewater.
hauptjm	posted 01-24-2009 12:24 AM ET (US) Not to pile on, but at the New Orleans boat show I came away with the same impressions. I am/have been looking into something in the 23/24 foot range, center console, two engine market for roughly 6 months. I might have pulled the trigger this past fall, if it were not for the current affairs in my line of business. With that said, I do indeed intend to purchase something within the year and still maintain ownership of my Whaler. The Classic Outrage 18 is a wonderful boat for many uses. Since, my pursuit (no pun intended) is to buy new, I am being overly cautious. I am very interested in the Everglades 23 and 24. Two very different boats in many more ways than just the 12 inches of hull length. Both are incredibly well built boats with an attention to detail rarely found at this size vessel. I am also considering the Pursuit line. The 23 ft. Center Console from Pursuit is a wonderful package that can be had for a reasonable amount. Not Cheap by any means, but reasonable. With that said, there is a wide range of pricing with regard to the Everglades and Pursuit lines. Just with the Everglades the cost between the 23 and 24 can be as much as a $25,000 differential. These boats are not cheap. In all of the comparisons of the various manufacturers (I'm looking at more than just the two), notice that Whaler is not among them. Although, they obviously have an appeal to someone, I think overall, there are better (not equal, but better) choices to be had in the size category I'm considering. And that's a shame.