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Miestrol posted 03-07-2009 08:41 PM ET (US)
I purchased a 1988 2200 temptation w/whaler drive. I pulled the two original 150 evinrudes off and went with a 225 mercury optimax. I am trying to figure out how to get a kicker motor on the back , does extending the transume with a 2 foot half inch piece of flat stainless steel sound like a workable solution for a 15hp kicker. By the way my rating plate sayes 400hp. the other owner said they got 47mph out of twin 150s. The 225 optimax with 5 people and and full tank of fuel hits 43mph on the gps
TransAm posted 03-08-2009 10:34 AM ET (US)
Personally, I think it was a mistake to re-power with a single outboard. That boat was designed primarily for dual engine operation and cruising, although it can certainly accommodate a day of fishing as well. It would seem to me that is you are thinking of mounting a kicker then your activities may focus on fishing, and perhaps an Classic Outrage or Revenge would have been a better choice. As for distinctiveness, you may have the only Temptation with a kicker mounted on it. If your single outboard is mounted in the center of the Whaler-drive, there may be enough clearance to mount a small kicker. Otherwise, you may need to fashion something more custom as you have suggested. As for your speed notations, 43 MPH seems just about right for a single 225 HP motor. I would have thought twin 150's would have pushed a 22' Temptation to 50 MPH or a bit more.
Miestrol posted 03-08-2009 08:11 PM ET (US)
Thank you for your commments, when fuel hit $4.00 dollars a gallon and the seventy gallon fuel capacity would barely let me go 60 miles as opposed to this optimax going a comfortable 200 miles the step to move to the single optimax was a no brainer. It is really to tight to mount a kicker next to an optimax. That is why I am trying to find someone who knows about an off set kicker bracket. I can tell you if you are 35 - 50 miles off the jetties at South Padre Texas, you really dont care if it looks smooth or not to have a kicker on a Temptation. The real problem between twin engine reliabity could merely put both dead, with a tank of bad fuel. I have come home in a i/o 22 cudy with a 7 and a half with 6 gallons of fuel. The deck on the whaler drive may not have any wood backing to even mount a bracket from the top. Does anyone have any Knowledge of the whalerdrive construction?
logjam posted 03-09-2009 12:47 AM ET (US)
When I peeled the old mid-eighties 200hp twin gas hogs off the back of my wifes' Temptation and replaced with a single 1999 250hp OX66, it was for the same reasons you stated, as well as the fact that I can think of more interesting things to do with 25k than heaping the added weight of twin bohemiths on the stern of the vessel. Unless you have the fuel systems and battery systems isolated from each other I don't want to hear about dual engine reliability and if you really want to go fast buy something other than a whaler.
I used a jack plate and a 30" shaft hoping to keep the powerhead out of the slop and used 1" aluminum flat stock in the same manner as you planned to use stainless for the kicker. I put a 1/4" backing plate on the inside of the well to keep from pulling bolts through the fiberglass, but you probably wouldn't even need to do that. Since I already had a 25hp kicker I use it and it works fine. When I pulled the old outboards off I left the shift and throttle cables in place with the thought of hooking a kicker up that was wired for electric start and console shift.
By the way a properly fitted Temptation fishes better than an Outrage or a Revenge of similar size.
TransAm posted 03-09-2009 08:48 AM ET (US)

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By the way a properly fitted Temptation fishes better than an Outrage or a Revenge of similar size.
Well, I certainly don't want to argue with you about this statement-it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I would be curious if anyone else here shares your opinion that the Temptation, absent a radical transformation, is a superior fishing vessel than an Outage or Revenge of equal size. Perhaps you could elaborate some-I would be interested in how my 25' Temptation could become as efficient of a fishing vessel as a 25' Classic Outrage absent radical alterations. Personally, I have found the cabin very restrictive and useful only for equipment storage on fishing expeditions. However, getting in and out can certainly be a challenge especially as you get on in years. There is no direct access to the topside section of the boat to deploy the anchor unless you are 5'8/140lbs and can slip through the hatch, or acrobatic enough to climb around the windshield. Loosing this type of fishing utility for 1/2 of the boat would be problematic for most.
The cockpit area is equally restrictive compared to the openness of an Outrage. My challenges would include the rear bench seat (and loss of well area underneath), interior side panels limiting gunwhale storage (especially in the cockpit area) increased freeboard for landing fish, and the larger captains chairs. All of this adds up to much less "fish" space. Adding even just a 96 quart fishing cooler and a smaller cooler for drinks, etc and more deck space is is gobbled up.
As for fuel consumption, many folks believe 2 engines burn twice the fuel as a single, which is not the case. My set-up is with twin Yamaha 250 OX66EFI's. To obtain 40 MPH (3,800 RPM) with both engines I average 2 MPH; using a single engine it takes 4,500 RPM I average 2.5 MPH. So basically pay a 25% fuel penalty. Now I realize if you are trolling a lot, a kicker will certainly burn less. And if that's your goal, a kicker will certainly get you there. As for dual engine reliability, I think having both fail as a result of poor fuel quality would be an extremely rare occurrence indeed. However, it this is of concern fuel tank with separate chambers could take care of this. I'm considering it when I replace my 20 year old tank next year. A couple Perko switches easily isolate the battery systems, which is recommended in any case.
Miestrol, you could certainly mount a piece of say 16" x 24" piece of aluminum flat stock as was suggested extending a mounting panel to port and perhaps add a mahogany panel if additional thickness is desired. The Whaler-drive mounting panel is plenty strong. Good luck on the project.
logjam posted 03-09-2009 08:42 PM ET (US)
TransAm, OK my choice of words should have been "radically transformed" or "bastardized" instead of "properly fitted".
And all of the issues that you brought up are the reasons I passed on buying the boat in the first place. In it's stock form a Temptation will kill you If you attempt to fish or anchor it in rough water.
After my wife bought it (I'm glad she did) I pulled out the "sofa" in the stern, the interior "space waster" side panels, the "sports bar stool" captain chairs, the "access preventer" windshield, and the "ankle grabber"
bow rail. What remained is a great fishing platform if you put a real bow rail on it. The same thing that makes it uncomfortable for an overnight is what gives it so much fishing space. The relatively flat roof of the cuddy cabin is all usable space for fishing with a custom bow rail.
I put twin consoles with access through the middle, but I think a person could also use a single aft console in the same manner as an outrage cuddy. I put an aft casting platform over the whalerdrive because I do a lot of saltwater flyfishing and it is truly a great fishing machine. I don't think I would ruin a pristine 25' Temptation such as yours, but it works for me and I've never had any complaints from anyone wedged into my bow rail in sloppy conditions as to how ugly the boat looks.
If you plan on replacing the fuel tank I would put the partition down the middle and a pick up on each side for each engine but maybe you don't need to be cocerned about it if you've never had the problems that I have had with bad gas.
When I replaced the fuel tank I went a few inches over on size and gained an extra 10 gallons capacity. I also placed a tube to the low point of the fuel tank compartment to allow a hand pump to empty water from the compartment.
The much maligned Temptation is shunned by most serious fishermen myself included, and I have always leaned towards the grey side of the Boston whaler world, but a Temptation can be had for a quarter of the price of a Guardian and at this point I wouldn't trade for one.
Miestrol, Sorry about derailing the thread with my comment.

Getting back to your kicker bracket I think mine was only six or eight inches wide and unsupported on the outboard end.
Miestrol posted 03-10-2009 08:35 PM ET (US)
Thank you very much for all of you folks comments. I will try an 8/24 piece of stainless steel half inch thick with a wood face and yes thank you, I will put a piece inside of the transome. Would a swing up and down bracket be too much tork or should I hang the motor directly on the extension? The other thing is someone mentioned about pumping out the tank compartment. Yes my foam was soaked in that compartment, but I think I dried it out before the floor rotted. How much foam can I dig out if I just come in from the inspection plate? Thank you again. Miestrol
logjam posted 03-12-2009 08:15 PM ET (US)
I would just hang the outboard on and try it. You can always add a swinging bracket later if you have to.
I wouldn't mess with the foam unless you have to replace the fuel tank due to corrosion.

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Author	Topic: 2200 temptation trolling motor bracket
Miestrol	posted 03-07-2009 08:41 PM ET (US) I purchased a 1988 2200 temptation w/whaler drive. I pulled the two original 150 evinrudes off and went with a 225 mercury optimax. I am trying to figure out how to get a kicker motor on the back , does extending the transume with a 2 foot half inch piece of flat stainless steel sound like a workable solution for a 15hp kicker. By the way my rating plate sayes 400hp. the other owner said they got 47mph out of twin 150s. The 225 optimax with 5 people and and full tank of fuel hits 43mph on the gps
TransAm	posted 03-08-2009 10:34 AM ET (US) Personally, I think it was a mistake to re-power with a single outboard. That boat was designed primarily for dual engine operation and cruising, although it can certainly accommodate a day of fishing as well. It would seem to me that is you are thinking of mounting a kicker then your activities may focus on fishing, and perhaps an Classic Outrage or Revenge would have been a better choice. As for distinctiveness, you may have the only Temptation with a kicker mounted on it. If your single outboard is mounted in the center of the Whaler-drive, there may be enough clearance to mount a small kicker. Otherwise, you may need to fashion something more custom as you have suggested. As for your speed notations, 43 MPH seems just about right for a single 225 HP motor. I would have thought twin 150's would have pushed a 22' Temptation to 50 MPH or a bit more.
Miestrol	posted 03-08-2009 08:11 PM ET (US) Thank you for your commments, when fuel hit $4.00 dollars a gallon and the seventy gallon fuel capacity would barely let me go 60 miles as opposed to this optimax going a comfortable 200 miles the step to move to the single optimax was a no brainer. It is really to tight to mount a kicker next to an optimax. That is why I am trying to find someone who knows about an off set kicker bracket. I can tell you if you are 35 - 50 miles off the jetties at South Padre Texas, you really dont care if it looks smooth or not to have a kicker on a Temptation. The real problem between twin engine reliabity could merely put both dead, with a tank of bad fuel. I have come home in a i/o 22 cudy with a 7 and a half with 6 gallons of fuel. The deck on the whaler drive may not have any wood backing to even mount a bracket from the top. Does anyone have any Knowledge of the whalerdrive construction?
logjam	posted 03-09-2009 12:47 AM ET (US) When I peeled the old mid-eighties 200hp twin gas hogs off the back of my wifes' Temptation and replaced with a single 1999 250hp OX66, it was for the same reasons you stated, as well as the fact that I can think of more interesting things to do with 25k than heaping the added weight of twin bohemiths on the stern of the vessel. Unless you have the fuel systems and battery systems isolated from each other I don't want to hear about dual engine reliability and if you really want to go fast buy something other than a whaler. I used a jack plate and a 30" shaft hoping to keep the powerhead out of the slop and used 1" aluminum flat stock in the same manner as you planned to use stainless for the kicker. I put a 1/4" backing plate on the inside of the well to keep from pulling bolts through the fiberglass, but you probably wouldn't even need to do that. Since I already had a 25hp kicker I use it and it works fine. When I pulled the old outboards off I left the shift and throttle cables in place with the thought of hooking a kicker up that was wired for electric start and console shift. By the way a properly fitted Temptation fishes better than an Outrage or a Revenge of similar size.
TransAm	posted 03-09-2009 08:48 AM ET (US) quote: By the way a properly fitted Temptation fishes better than an Outrage or a Revenge of similar size. Well, I certainly don't want to argue with you about this statement-it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I would be curious if anyone else here shares your opinion that the Temptation, absent a radical transformation, is a superior fishing vessel than an Outage or Revenge of equal size. Perhaps you could elaborate some-I would be interested in how my 25' Temptation could become as efficient of a fishing vessel as a 25' Classic Outrage absent radical alterations. Personally, I have found the cabin very restrictive and useful only for equipment storage on fishing expeditions. However, getting in and out can certainly be a challenge especially as you get on in years. There is no direct access to the topside section of the boat to deploy the anchor unless you are 5'8/140lbs and can slip through the hatch, or acrobatic enough to climb around the windshield. Loosing this type of fishing utility for 1/2 of the boat would be problematic for most. The cockpit area is equally restrictive compared to the openness of an Outrage. My challenges would include the rear bench seat (and loss of well area underneath), interior side panels limiting gunwhale storage (especially in the cockpit area) increased freeboard for landing fish, and the larger captains chairs. All of this adds up to much less "fish" space. Adding even just a 96 quart fishing cooler and a smaller cooler for drinks, etc and more deck space is is gobbled up. As for fuel consumption, many folks believe 2 engines burn twice the fuel as a single, which is not the case. My set-up is with twin Yamaha 250 OX66EFI's. To obtain 40 MPH (3,800 RPM) with both engines I average 2 MPH; using a single engine it takes 4,500 RPM I average 2.5 MPH. So basically pay a 25% fuel penalty. Now I realize if you are trolling a lot, a kicker will certainly burn less. And if that's your goal, a kicker will certainly get you there. As for dual engine reliability, I think having both fail as a result of poor fuel quality would be an extremely rare occurrence indeed. However, it this is of concern fuel tank with separate chambers could take care of this. I'm considering it when I replace my 20 year old tank next year. A couple Perko switches easily isolate the battery systems, which is recommended in any case. Miestrol, you could certainly mount a piece of say 16" x 24" piece of aluminum flat stock as was suggested extending a mounting panel to port and perhaps add a mahogany panel if additional thickness is desired. The Whaler-drive mounting panel is plenty strong. Good luck on the project.
logjam	posted 03-09-2009 08:42 PM ET (US) TransAm, OK my choice of words should have been "radically transformed" or "bastardized" instead of "properly fitted". And all of the issues that you brought up are the reasons I passed on buying the boat in the first place. In it's stock form a Temptation will kill you If you attempt to fish or anchor it in rough water. After my wife bought it (I'm glad she did) I pulled out the "sofa" in the stern, the interior "space waster" side panels, the "sports bar stool" captain chairs, the "access preventer" windshield, and the "ankle grabber" bow rail. What remained is a great fishing platform if you put a real bow rail on it. The same thing that makes it uncomfortable for an overnight is what gives it so much fishing space. The relatively flat roof of the cuddy cabin is all usable space for fishing with a custom bow rail. I put twin consoles with access through the middle, but I think a person could also use a single aft console in the same manner as an outrage cuddy. I put an aft casting platform over the whalerdrive because I do a lot of saltwater flyfishing and it is truly a great fishing machine. I don't think I would ruin a pristine 25' Temptation such as yours, but it works for me and I've never had any complaints from anyone wedged into my bow rail in sloppy conditions as to how ugly the boat looks. If you plan on replacing the fuel tank I would put the partition down the middle and a pick up on each side for each engine but maybe you don't need to be cocerned about it if you've never had the problems that I have had with bad gas. When I replaced the fuel tank I went a few inches over on size and gained an extra 10 gallons capacity. I also placed a tube to the low point of the fuel tank compartment to allow a hand pump to empty water from the compartment. The much maligned Temptation is shunned by most serious fishermen myself included, and I have always leaned towards the grey side of the Boston whaler world, but a Temptation can be had for a quarter of the price of a Guardian and at this point I wouldn't trade for one. Miestrol, Sorry about derailing the thread with my comment. Getting back to your kicker bracket I think mine was only six or eight inches wide and unsupported on the outboard end.
Miestrol	posted 03-10-2009 08:35 PM ET (US) Thank you very much for all of you folks comments. I will try an 8/24 piece of stainless steel half inch thick with a wood face and yes thank you, I will put a piece inside of the transome. Would a swing up and down bracket be too much tork or should I hang the motor directly on the extension? The other thing is someone mentioned about pumping out the tank compartment. Yes my foam was soaked in that compartment, but I think I dried it out before the floor rotted. How much foam can I dig out if I just come in from the inspection plate? Thank you again. Miestrol
logjam	posted 03-12-2009 08:15 PM ET (US) I would just hang the outboard on and try it. You can always add a swinging bracket later if you have to. I wouldn't mess with the foam unless you have to replace the fuel tank due to corrosion.