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The Most-Classic Classic Montauk
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| Author | Topic: The Most-Classic Classic Montauk |
| CLK |
posted 04-18-2009 10:46 AM ET (US) 
I really like the looks of the classic Montauks, but don't know enough about them to make fine distinctions. I've viewed the pics in the Cetacea section several times. Is there a particular year or style of Montauk which Whaler connoisseurs and aficionados consider special or quintessential--The Classic? Cheers! |
| jimh |
posted 04-18-2009 01:00 PM ET (US)
In my opinion the most desirable classic Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 would be a boat that has: --the smirked hull --the Desert Tan gel coat color --teak and mahogany wood trim and components --reversible pilot seat --the center console design as shown in http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/images/consoleDetail512x335. jpeg This combination would probably be available in a c.1986 hull. In terms of accessories, a true classic should have a Wm. J. Mills & Sons flying top, with the Sunbrella fabric in the Pacific Blue color. In addition it would be nice to have matching covers for the console and seat, and a mooring cover. I think Rob's MONTAUK (ratherwhalering) fill all these criteria. |
| Sal A |
posted 04-18-2009 07:14 PM ET (US)
CLK, if you are interested in one of the older style Montauks instead of the 170, search this site for PMUCCIOLO, and email him. You'll know why after you do. |
| CLK |
posted 04-18-2009 09:59 PM ET (US)
Sal, Will do - Thanks!
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| CLK |
posted 04-18-2009 11:18 PM ET (US)
Hey Jim, Thanks for the criteria & a specific year. Also, do you have other pics of Rob's Montauk? I did some searches & came across a few,......but is there a specific thread(s) I could see more pics of his boat? (don't want to go thru all 81 pgs of the Ceteacea again,....I did that last night) :-) Finally, I would like to pose the same question about classic years &/or styles, but as it pertains to the Outrage models: Aside from the early (1970-71) ribbed 21 Outrages - Is there a particular year or features, of the 19 Outrage, which Whaler aficionados consider special or quintessential-- The Classic?
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| CLK |
posted 04-19-2009 12:57 AM ET (US)
Just want to add 2 things to my previous post: *I'd love to see pics of any fine Classic Montauks [Not just Rob's]. *Re: Classic Outrages, I'm interested in the 18-19 footers.
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| Dave Sutton |
posted 04-19-2009 10:11 AM ET (US)
"This combination would probably be available in a c.1986 hull"
It would also have a Mills forward shelter cover with the zip-on console cover that comes back over the RPS for casual storage, and might even have the forward casting platform so you can sleep under the forward shelter. I wonder who has one one set up like that? ;-) Power would be one of the classic 2-stroke 90's, take your choice. In the 86/87 year class, look for a Yamaha. In the old days it would also have had a Pate tank under the RPS, bit alas... Ethanol. Dave . |
| jimh |
posted 04-19-2009 03:54 PM ET (US)
Here is a picture I took of Rob's fine classic MONTAUK at the dock in San Francisco a year or so ago: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/images/ratherwhaleringMONTAUK800x600. jpg I think it displays all of the criterion I mentioned above. |
| CLK |
posted 04-19-2009 10:15 PM ET (US)
Thanks Jim! I'd probably want a Classic,... without the aft bench seat. Could anyone tell me if the aft bench came stock, or was an option. If issued stock - during what years. Again, I'd proabaly want to look for a 'Classic', wo/ this ********** Hey Dave - Thanks for the info. Cheers! |
| lizard |
posted 04-20-2009 01:08 AM ET (US)
That is my rig, minus the E-tec, with a V4 Johnson 90. Mine is a 1985, console cover, full mooring cover, Pacific blue. |
| CLK |
posted 04-20-2009 01:14 AM ET (US)
Hey lizard,... ........Any pics?
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| erik selis |
posted 04-20-2009 02:57 AM ET (US)
Here are some pics of a 1984, Classic Montauk that I fixed up a couple of years ago. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/ 1984%20Montauk%20Restoration/DSC00879Medium.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/ 1984%20Montauk%20Restoration/DSC00992Medium.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/Rendezvous%20Biesbosch/ Biesbosche120Large.jpg Erik |
| Teak Oil |
posted 04-20-2009 08:41 AM ET (US)
Here is my 1985 with the original 90hp Evinrude. |
| themclos |
posted 04-20-2009 09:20 AM ET (US)
CLK, The aft seat for the Montauk was an option. In my opinion, it is a must if you want to use the Montauk for day cruising with more than 2 people. It only takes minutes to install or remove, and is very comfortable. At one point or another, every member of my family has taken a siesta on that seat. Dan |
| boater12 |
posted 04-20-2009 09:38 AM ET (US)
I also like the late 70s smirked Montauks - you can see one I restored at http://oceancrazy.shutterfly.com in the Montauk album. |
| boater12 |
posted 04-20-2009 09:40 AM ET (US)
http://oceancrazy.shutterfly.com |
| mgeiger |
posted 04-20-2009 11:43 AM ET (US)
Here's my 1986. About as all-original as it gets. http://picasaweb.google.com/mgeiger72/BostonWhalerMontauk17# |
| Brian7son |
posted 04-20-2009 02:26 PM ET (US)
Well, first of all, it's nice to know I have a "Classic". Hey Matt, I have a 1985 and the wood is in dire need of a tune up. Can you please let me know what the process was. I know that I have to sand and prep the wood and remove it all from the boat, unless you can recommend a liquid that will strip the wood. I also have a wood rear bench seat. What products did you use, etc. Also, did you use any type of grit in the varnish on the anchor hatch to make sure that it's not slick when done. That's my concern with both the anchor hatch and rear bench seat areas. I've been planning on getting this done for about 2 years, maybe I'll get around to it sooner. I know that it will look awesome when it's done. Thanks, Brian |
| andygere |
posted 04-20-2009 03:11 PM ET (US)
Here's one: It's a 1979 model, a boat I miss dearly. http://home.earthlink.net/~andygere/sitebuildercontent/ sitebuilderpictures/namaquoit.jpg Classic features in my mind include a chrome Morse controller, and a pair of steel 12 gallon Tempo fuel tanks (red) under the RPS. |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 04-20-2009 04:59 PM ET (US)
Matt, that rig is sweet! Funny, I installed the same plug, in the same location, to keep a trickle charge on the battery. P.S. I note the battery strap is not OEM ;-) --Rob-- |
| CLK |
posted 04-21-2009 12:34 AM ET (US)
Pictures,...Pictures,...Pictures! I love them pictures! Would like to hear some feedback, & of course....Pictures, of Classic Outrages, too. Thanks everyone!
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| Tom W Clark |
posted 04-21-2009 03:52 PM ET (US)
In general, I agree with Jim's criteria for the most desirable Montauk, but let me add a few fine points and clarifications. All Montauks have Desert Tan hulls...on the inside. Beginning in 1984 they also had Desert Tan exteriors instead of white gel coat. The classic Montauk has used four different console designs. The most ergonomic of them was the last one used starting in 1986. This is often why you will see 1986 cited as the best of the best year for the Montauk. But the same console was used until 2002 when the last classic hull was produced. The console design used from some point in 1982 through 1985 was very nearly the same but had a dash angle that was too steep to see the instruments clearly from a standing position. The angle was eased for the 1986 model year. It is a very subtle but important difference. The use of teak was continued into the 1990s though it became optional at some point as fiberglass and plastic took over as trim. Because of the console and the teak, I have often maintained that the 1986 to 1989 models were the creme-de-la-creme of Montauks. HOWEVER, that does not mean those model years were superior in all regards to other model years. I have found that the quality of the wood and the woodwork was superior in the late 1970s and early 1980s. I believe this was because teak was more plentiful, available and less expensive back then but also because Whaler was still producing their own woodwork in-house instead of subcontracting it out as they did later. Whaler always had very high standards and quality control. Later woodwork was not as well made. Some fine points: Fuel tanks were various; none were standard on the Montauk. The Pate tanks became popular in the later 1980s while the twin steel 12 gallon tanks were the top of the line choice before that. The very best tank option however, was the aluminum version of the 12 that MIRAX came out with in 1986. Two of my three Montauks have had those MIRAX aluminum tanks, and to this day, there is nothing better. Montauk hulls produced in the early 1980s sometimes suffered the "puckered" topsides that the Outrage 18 is known for. This phenomenon is not isolated to just those years, but is far more common in the 1980-1983ish period. As to Rob's Montauk, I have operated this boat on San Francisco Bay a few times. It is a nice boat but fails inspection on at least one point: It is equipped with a measly 72 Igloo Marine cooler seat. As we all know, the correct cooler for a 1986 Montauk would be the next larger size. Tisk, tisk. |
| jimh |
posted 04-21-2009 04:05 PM ET (US)
Comparison of these images will show the console difference in the 1980's epoch: c.1984: c.1986 |
| mgeiger |
posted 04-21-2009 04:29 PM ET (US)
Hey ratherwhalering - I have the OEM strap and buckle on it now. :0) |
| Jeff |
posted 04-21-2009 04:45 PM ET (US)
Here is our 1984 100% freshwater always garage kept Montauk. We sold this boat (the family's boat) in 2007 and I still to this day think about it every day and kick myself for letting my father sell it. I should have sold my outrage and bought it from him. The boat was absolutely perfect. Here is a link to them all..I could not choose just one. |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 04-21-2009 05:58 PM ET (US)
Oh Jeff...what were you thinking! So Mr. Clark, you have publicly divulged my dirty little secret. Shame on you. As a final note, I think the 1986 17-Montauk is the most desireable year, for all the reasons stated herein, but also for one other critical reason. In late 1986 (offered as a 1987) Whaler made a significant change to the 17-Montauk. What was it, and why was it important? Tom is not allowed to answer this... |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 04-21-2009 06:01 PM ET (US)
He's bluffing, folks. |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 04-21-2009 06:15 PM ET (US)
The answer lies within the pictures posted in this thread. |
| Jeff |
posted 04-21-2009 06:56 PM ET (US)
I am going to say it was when they changed how the console mounted to the deck. Instead of mounting it to wood blocks that were screwed to the deck, they used aluminum L channel mounted to the console and then screwed that to the deck. |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 04-21-2009 07:08 PM ET (US)
JEFF, Jeff, jeff. We had such high hopes for you taking over the mantle of Whaler Trivia Master. *sigh* The console mounting changed with the console itself in the 1981/1982 console changeover from the second generation console to the third generation console. Next? |
| Sal A |
posted 04-21-2009 07:50 PM ET (US)
Mere novices. I got this one covered boys. In 1986, offered as a 1987 model, Whaler introduced two important changes. First, They started using Congo-harvested malapa wood anchor locker hatches. These hatches showcased the incredible grain of the malapa tree, which was a staple in Steinway pianos until 1989. That change allows me to transition to the second change Whaler made. The special anniversary special order boats with music industry tie-ins. Whaler introduced three such special edition boats in late 1986 (I believe August). There was the Billy Ocean Carribean Queen edition. There was the Falco Rock Me Amadeus edition. And finally... anyone? anyone? Bueller? OK I will not keep you waiting. The best selling Miami Sound Machine Conga edition. This model showcased a splashy multi technicolor hull, very similar to the sweaters that Bill Cosby wore in The Cosby Show. It also, in Miami Sound Machine style, featured brass thru hulls, brass console rails, and brass bow and side rails. Michael Douglas bought one of these hulls for $46,300 in late 1986. There are rumours that CLK is negotiating for this hull as we speak. Novices. I feel like Vizzini in The Princess Bride: Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha... |
| CLK |
posted 04-22-2009 12:51 AM ET (US)
Sal - That was AWSOME!! Erik,... Teak Oil,... boater12,... mgeiger,... andygere,... & Jeff - Thanks for sharing your pics!! Your Montauks are/were all fantastic!! Tom - Thanks for the erudite information & opinions,....plus the dirt on Rob's Montauk ;-) Anyone else want to post pics of their Classic Montauk??????
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| LKD |
posted 04-22-2009 08:02 AM ET (US)
This is a pic of our 87 Montauk approaching the dock: This one is at rest on a summer morning at the lake: |
| elaelap |
posted 04-22-2009 12:14 PM ET (US)
A classic in classic use mode north of San Francisco: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/Ketchagroundwhalers062-1. jpg Tuco |
| elaelap |
posted 04-22-2009 12:24 PM ET (US)
Tom Clark fueling Rob/ratherwhalering's classic: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/TomandRobsMT005.jpg Tuco Those E-TEC 90s will run on any kind of gas--check out the green hose ;-) |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 04-22-2009 01:03 PM ET (US)
Damn, Sal, that was very, very funny. Come on guys! In late 1986 and early 1987 there was the beginning of a significant change to the 17-Montauk, although it is unclear if it was endemic to the production line. Here's some pics for ya, CLK Tom and Tony(elaelap), on my Montauk, heading out for an afternoon cruise, pretending they don't hear me yelling from shore to come pick me up Matt's classic 1984 18-Outrage Brian's classic 1989 22-Revenge WT Brian 1982 and Matt's 1984 classic 18-Outrages |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 04-22-2009 01:10 PM ET (US)
Brian's classic 1989 22-Revenge WT http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/Revenge-22/ ?action=view¤t=SternSeat011.jpg |
| Tohsgib |
posted 04-22-2009 01:30 PM ET (US)
You guys missed the boat. Here is the rarest of rare smirked 17's from the factory in Rockland, my 1986 Newtauk: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/BiggieFL/Newtauk/kice3.jpg PS..I think the 1989 addition of the fiberglass nonskid front hatch is a MAJOR plus for all 17's. |
| Tohsgib |
posted 04-22-2009 01:31 PM ET (US)
If you notice my front hatch is open and yes I salvaged it out of my 89 Montauk. |
| Sal A |
posted 04-22-2009 01:33 PM ET (US)
Nick why did you sell that boat? |
| JMARTIN |
posted 04-22-2009 01:49 PM ET (US)
Can not see Brian's classic 1989 22-Revenge WT, but I would argue that it is not a classic. Not enough wood on the WT but a better overall design. John |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 04-22-2009 01:52 PM ET (US)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v641/ratherwhalering/Revenge-22/ ?action=view¤t=SternSeat011.jpg |
| Tohsgib |
posted 04-22-2009 02:28 PM ET (US)
Sal...I still ask myself that question whenever I look at the pics. Truth is I wanted something bigger with storage and could hide from the florida rainstorms. I love 17's but with the wife's back and owning my original 13', I needed something more substantial, economical, enclosed, but yet draw close to no draft...hence a banana Revenge. |
| JMARTIN |
posted 04-22-2009 02:30 PM ET (US)
Revenge 22 classic, more wood, nifty keen foot rests. http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/DSCF3322.jpg I like this Montauk with the stern cover doohickey, but I think the bow locker might not be OEM. http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/2006trip029-2.jpg http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/2006trip028-1.jpg John |
| CLK |
posted 04-23-2009 10:45 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for the additional pics - Very cool stuff!
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| MisDee |
posted 04-27-2009 04:41 PM ET (US)
My first attempt at a Whaler update, done with much advice learned herein - thanks all. The boat was purchased through this site, several years ago, from a lovely woman who, because of a life style change, was forced to part with her. Her loss is certainly our gain. Our goal was to maintain the Classic's integrity while doing some minor tweaks to make her a little more current.
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| andygere |
posted 04-27-2009 09:42 PM ET (US)
This one has got to be among the finest original classic Whalers around. It's owned by a nice old gentleman from Santa Cruz named Bud Clingey, and he's owned it since new. Check out the OEM fuel tanks, transom mounted kicker, original painted fir forward platform, and the rare combination of desert tan interior with the mahogany console and pilot seat. That would put the vintage at 1974 if my memory serves me. I took the photos of this boat at the 2001 NorCal Rendezvous, and it was (and surely still is) flawless. Note that this boat is not restored, it's in original condition. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/andygere/ Random%20Whaler%20Photos/budswhaler2.jpg |
| RLwhaler |
posted 04-27-2009 09:54 PM ET (US)
Very nice Andy..thanks for sharing.My Sakonnet came with the same color interior.For while there,I really thought that mine was a little odd...Guess not! RL |
| ttboy |
posted 04-29-2009 12:58 AM ET (US)
Hey ClK check out whaler marketplace "1972 21 outrage. You never know. But its a 71 not a 72. |
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