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Sal A posted 06-17-2009 12:24 PM ET (US)
For those of you who have, or have had Montauks, I really would love your input on the proper boat trailer for my Montauk. It weighs about 1200 lbs, I am guessing.
My choices are:

2009 new Loadrite 17220090V, rated for 2200lbs, 13" tires, 15-17 foot boat, 90"wide.
2009 new Loadrite 16150076V, rated for 1500lbs, 12" tires, 14-16 foot boat, 76" wide.
There is a $400 price difference between the two 2009 models.

hauptjm posted 06-17-2009 12:59 PM ET (US)
Based on current threads and anecdotal accounts I'm getting locally, I would avoid Loadrite altogether.
Continental, Champion or a local builder whose product matches well to a Whaler would be preferred.
Tom W Clark posted 06-17-2009 01:01 PM ET (US)
LoadRite makes an excellent trailer. Choose your dealer carefully.
The 16150076V is not big enough. The 17220090V is a much better fit.
Hoosier posted 06-17-2009 01:01 PM ET (US)
Check out Shore Land'r.
Jeff posted 06-17-2009 01:21 PM ET (US)
Sal,
With Dan's problems I may not consider Loadrite as it seems most dealers in your area are less than knowledgable what trailers are best for a classic Whaler.
To David's point we had a Shoreland'r SLB22L painted steel trailer under out Montauk. It was a great trailer for the boat. It was sturdy and towed very well behind any car or truck. The hull sat super low so it we were able to launch it at any ramp and needed little water. I seem to remember it was $1200 for the trailer 6 years ago and there was no cost to set the trailer up for the hull.
Here are some images
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/dads%20whaler/ ?start=all
Shoreland'r makes an aluminum version of this trailer. It's product # is SLB20AL. I would look into one for your application.
Phil T posted 06-17-2009 01:34 PM ET (US)
Sal -
I have a Load Rite 18280096VT for my Outrage 17. It has 14 inch tires. It is just a few inches wider and longer than a Montauk. Fits like a glove and is a breeze to solo launch/retrieve
See the setup here - http://picasaweb.google.com/CascoBayOutrage/OutrageTrailer#
Sal A posted 06-17-2009 01:40 PM ET (US)
Thank you all.
Tom, the dealer tells me that the smaller trailer is what he would get if he were me, and towing only locally to and from a ramp a few times a year. I think I will go for the bigger one.
Jeff, the red Eagle trailer is actually a perfect fit. The fenders are pretty rusty though, and I think the trailer will have a 10 year life by you, while a 3 year life by me tops.
Sal A posted 06-17-2009 01:43 PM ET (US)
And Phil,
do you have two keel rollers?
I also have a third option, a perfectly set up 2006 loadrite 17170090V (rating 1700 lbs) with 13" wheels, that is set up by a local Whaler dealer for Montauks. It has two keel rollers. I know it would be set up perfectly, but he is asking the same price as the 2009 17220090V I referenced above.
bluewaterpirate posted 06-17-2009 01:45 PM ET (US)
A LoadRite trailer has been home to my Ventura 210 for the last eight years. It's been a terrific investment. It has exceeded all expectations in regards to construction and safety. My LoadRite has transported my Ventura to and from many locations up and down the eastern seaboard. I strongly recommend LoadRite trailers to anyone.
Like anything look at all your choices and then make your decision.
Tom
Tohsgib posted 06-17-2009 01:47 PM ET (US)
For what a trailer costs, why not just have it pulled and put in for about $200 per season?
Tom W Clark posted 06-17-2009 01:49 PM ET (US)
Sal,
You have grossly underestimated the wight of your boat. If the Montauk weighs 900 pounds and the motor weighs 300 pounds, you are already at 1200 pounds.
Add fuel, the tanks, battery(s), canvas, electronics, fishing gear, tools/spare parts, coolers and other options, the total weight will very quickly exceed 1500 pounds.
Trailers with load capacities of between 1750 and 2000 pounds are good for classic Montauks.
Phil T posted 06-17-2009 03:08 PM ET (US)
Sal -
I have double keel rollers on the rear cross member and a single keel roller on the other cross member, just forward of the axle.
I really like my trailer since it has the torsion axle (ride is very smooth) and the boat sits inside the fenders and is low to the ground.
Blackduck posted 06-17-2009 03:30 PM ET (US)
Sal,
I had a 1500 pound trailer with a Montauk, Tom Clark is right, it is not heavy enough. The rear cross member had bent from to much weight/stress, The boat was right, no extra weight from water, ect. Spend the $400 for the bigger one, I assume the last 3 months have been good? Walter
Dan posted 06-17-2009 04:04 PM ET (US)
Sal, in New Jersey you have more options. Franklin Trailers sells Sea Lion Trailers: http://www.sealiontrailers.com/
The only way I would go anywhere near a Loadrite product is if the dealer had it in stock, and offered to put my boat on (to see if I liked it) at no charge.
Sure there are some that had a good experience with LR, but I know of at least one other CW member that has had an awful experience with them.
I sent LR at least 100 photos of my boat, and a diagram of the hull from BW, and they still haven't been able to get it right. And I'm dealing with their president, head of marketing, and regional sales rep.
You could also try Tidewater Trailers. Their owner used to work at Loadrite. I spoke to him and he was very knowledgeable. Making a customer, like me, have to fight to be treated right is a huge warning flag.
The 3rd trailer Loadrite is providing may indeed do the trick. I certainly hope so. A refund at trailer 1 would have set me free.
Good luck. Your Montauk's a beauty.
bluewaterpirate posted 06-17-2009 04:08 PM ET (US)
Dan ......
Did you go to the LoadRite Website and check out the trailer designs before you started the odyssey?
Nauti Tauk posted 06-17-2009 04:20 PM ET (US)
I have had flawless service from Continental trailers. I have an aluminum model with torsion suspension, and the stainless package. It is a float on/bunk setup with a roller just ahead of the toungue Y junction so the bow isn't damaged if the ramp angle is unusually step. Two sets of bunks, one set 8' long and then a set of "baby bunks" in front of them to support the rest of the hull. With the tall pvc guides on either side it's an ideal setup to single handedly launch and retreve. Our rig sees many many road miles each year as well and we've not had the first trailer related problem. Cost in 2006 was just under 2000 dollars.
Dan posted 06-17-2009 05:18 PM ET (US)
Blu, my local trailer place that serviced my Montauk trailer for several years sold me on the particular Loadrite model. I brought my 18 Outrage to him for measuring, and he told me it would fit perfectly, ride lower, he would install rollers and guides, and that it would tow easily. He had the brochure with models, and showed me the one he was ordering. He told me that Venture trailers were less money and not as good. I stated very clearly that I wanted a roller trailer with bunks -- the same as on my Montauk. When the time came to put my boat on the new trailer, the dealer got frustrated because it wasn't going smoothly. Every time he tried to adjust one thing, it would negatively impact on the next. Problem was that to move the boat forward, it would hit the tongue junction. To avoid this, he would have to raise the height of the bunks to their max, and it would still hit. His solution was to let 17 inches of the boat hang off the end of trailer and tell me this was acceptable. Sucks, when someone you've been friendly with, loyal to, and recommended to others screws you, but that's life. He didn't want to take the hit on the trailer, or own up to his mistakes, so he put it on me. I've had to fight Loadrite every step of the way to get them to do right by me. They haven't come to the table out of self-respect, pride, or any virtuous reason, but because I won't give up. I've had to repeat myself endlessly, supply a hundred photos, not only of my boat, but of the identical boat on other manufacturers trailers. I've worked as a part time teacher, so I know how to make things crystal clear. And, I've had to explain the same things in multiple ways, much the way one would speak to someone with a very low IQ, while all the while being told that they're experts and know what their doing, and have been doing it for 20 years. Today, the rep said flat out that he ordered the wrong trailer. Well,duh! I know it's hard to fathom this tale, but it's 100 percent accurate.
Hoosier posted 06-17-2009 06:40 PM ET (US)
I have a Shore Land'r SLR 31 BLW trailer that I got as a demo model in 2003. My 1978 Outrage V-20 sits on it like they were born together. The trailer is a keel roller forward (4 roolers an an articulated assembly) and an roller bunk aft. The roller bunks were adjusted to as close to the keel as they could go, so it's almost a full keel roller trailer. The boat sits low and is between the wheels which makes it real easy to launch/recover/board. As for customer service, real people answer the phone.
Slippery Eel posted 06-18-2009 09:21 AM ET (US)
I have a 2007 Load Rite 17220090V trailer supporting my 1979 Montauk. I have been very happy with this trailer and its setup. I have about 2" of boat hanging over the back but the way the trailer is set up there is no issue.
I really like the way the boat sits down between the wheels and makes towing a breeze. I previously had a 1979 TeeNee that my boat sat even with the the trailer frame and would really sway if you were not steady on the wheel.
Not sure where you are located by my trailer came from Maximum Marine in Tuckahoe NJ. They are a very large LoadRite dealer.
Hutch
Sal A posted 06-18-2009 09:26 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the feedback gentlemen.
I will go for the bigger trailer.
ConB posted 06-18-2009 10:28 AM ET (US)
Sal, what are you going to do with the Eagle trailer?
Have Hoosier or Jeff bring it back to the Great Lakes.
Con
inlandwhaler posted 06-19-2009 09:44 PM ET (US)
Sal, you made the right choice going for the heavier trailer. I have a 1987 15 footer on the 16150076V and it works ok. It’s certainly heavy enough and the proper length for the 15, but it’s not a good fit for the hull. I can’t imagine how the 16150076V would be heavy enough or long enough for you Montauk, let alone a good fit for the hull. Hope the heavier one works well for you.
deepwater posted 06-20-2009 06:49 AM ET (US)
Why do you want a trailer with such small tires,, my Long tilt has 14" tires and my Toyota rims fit it so i always have a spare,, and talk nice the dealer
acseatsri posted 06-20-2009 02:06 PM ET (US)
Sal, with any trailer you buy, I would opt for bigger tires and, if possible, swap the crap tires that come standard and get Goodyear Marathons. The Carlyle or whatever other cheap brand they supply will not give anywhere near the ride/tow quality of radials.
Sal A posted 06-20-2009 04:28 PM ET (US)
Thanks all.
I will ask about 14" tires, and swapping. And Big Red is in fact making it back to the fresh water Detroit region.
Stay dry. I cant imagine how drenched the poor guys on the Whaler NY Rendezvous are today.

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Author	Topic: Which Loadrite for mid 90's Montauk?
Sal A	posted 06-17-2009 12:24 PM ET (US) For those of you who have, or have had Montauks, I really would love your input on the proper boat trailer for my Montauk. It weighs about 1200 lbs, I am guessing. My choices are: 2009 new Loadrite 17220090V, rated for 2200lbs, 13" tires, 15-17 foot boat, 90"wide. 2009 new Loadrite 16150076V, rated for 1500lbs, 12" tires, 14-16 foot boat, 76" wide. There is a $400 price difference between the two 2009 models.
hauptjm	posted 06-17-2009 12:59 PM ET (US) Based on current threads and anecdotal accounts I'm getting locally, I would avoid Loadrite altogether. Continental, Champion or a local builder whose product matches well to a Whaler would be preferred.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-17-2009 01:01 PM ET (US) LoadRite makes an excellent trailer. Choose your dealer carefully. The 16150076V is not big enough. The 17220090V is a much better fit.
Hoosier	posted 06-17-2009 01:01 PM ET (US) Check out Shore Land'r.
Jeff	posted 06-17-2009 01:21 PM ET (US) Sal, With Dan's problems I may not consider Loadrite as it seems most dealers in your area are less than knowledgable what trailers are best for a classic Whaler. To David's point we had a Shoreland'r SLB22L painted steel trailer under out Montauk. It was a great trailer for the boat. It was sturdy and towed very well behind any car or truck. The hull sat super low so it we were able to launch it at any ramp and needed little water. I seem to remember it was $1200 for the trailer 6 years ago and there was no cost to set the trailer up for the hull. Here are some images http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/dads%20whaler/ ?start=all Shoreland'r makes an aluminum version of this trailer. It's product # is SLB20AL. I would look into one for your application.
Phil T	posted 06-17-2009 01:34 PM ET (US) Sal - I have a Load Rite 18280096VT for my Outrage 17. It has 14 inch tires. It is just a few inches wider and longer than a Montauk. Fits like a glove and is a breeze to solo launch/retrieve See the setup here - http://picasaweb.google.com/CascoBayOutrage/OutrageTrailer#
Sal A	posted 06-17-2009 01:40 PM ET (US) Thank you all. Tom, the dealer tells me that the smaller trailer is what he would get if he were me, and towing only locally to and from a ramp a few times a year. I think I will go for the bigger one. Jeff, the red Eagle trailer is actually a perfect fit. The fenders are pretty rusty though, and I think the trailer will have a 10 year life by you, while a 3 year life by me tops.
Sal A	posted 06-17-2009 01:43 PM ET (US) And Phil, do you have two keel rollers? I also have a third option, a perfectly set up 2006 loadrite 17170090V (rating 1700 lbs) with 13" wheels, that is set up by a local Whaler dealer for Montauks. It has two keel rollers. I know it would be set up perfectly, but he is asking the same price as the 2009 17220090V I referenced above.
bluewaterpirate	posted 06-17-2009 01:45 PM ET (US) A LoadRite trailer has been home to my Ventura 210 for the last eight years. It's been a terrific investment. It has exceeded all expectations in regards to construction and safety. My LoadRite has transported my Ventura to and from many locations up and down the eastern seaboard. I strongly recommend LoadRite trailers to anyone. Like anything look at all your choices and then make your decision. Tom
Tohsgib	posted 06-17-2009 01:47 PM ET (US) For what a trailer costs, why not just have it pulled and put in for about $200 per season?
Tom W Clark	posted 06-17-2009 01:49 PM ET (US) Sal, You have grossly underestimated the wight of your boat. If the Montauk weighs 900 pounds and the motor weighs 300 pounds, you are already at 1200 pounds. Add fuel, the tanks, battery(s), canvas, electronics, fishing gear, tools/spare parts, coolers and other options, the total weight will very quickly exceed 1500 pounds. Trailers with load capacities of between 1750 and 2000 pounds are good for classic Montauks.
Phil T	posted 06-17-2009 03:08 PM ET (US) Sal - I have double keel rollers on the rear cross member and a single keel roller on the other cross member, just forward of the axle. I really like my trailer since it has the torsion axle (ride is very smooth) and the boat sits inside the fenders and is low to the ground.
Blackduck	posted 06-17-2009 03:30 PM ET (US) Sal, I had a 1500 pound trailer with a Montauk, Tom Clark is right, it is not heavy enough. The rear cross member had bent from to much weight/stress, The boat was right, no extra weight from water, ect. Spend the $400 for the bigger one, I assume the last 3 months have been good? Walter
Dan	posted 06-17-2009 04:04 PM ET (US) Sal, in New Jersey you have more options. Franklin Trailers sells Sea Lion Trailers: http://www.sealiontrailers.com/ The only way I would go anywhere near a Loadrite product is if the dealer had it in stock, and offered to put my boat on (to see if I liked it) at no charge. Sure there are some that had a good experience with LR, but I know of at least one other CW member that has had an awful experience with them. I sent LR at least 100 photos of my boat, and a diagram of the hull from BW, and they still haven't been able to get it right. And I'm dealing with their president, head of marketing, and regional sales rep. You could also try Tidewater Trailers. Their owner used to work at Loadrite. I spoke to him and he was very knowledgeable. Making a customer, like me, have to fight to be treated right is a huge warning flag. The 3rd trailer Loadrite is providing may indeed do the trick. I certainly hope so. A refund at trailer 1 would have set me free. Good luck. Your Montauk's a beauty.
bluewaterpirate	posted 06-17-2009 04:08 PM ET (US) Dan ...... Did you go to the LoadRite Website and check out the trailer designs before you started the odyssey?
Nauti Tauk	posted 06-17-2009 04:20 PM ET (US) I have had flawless service from Continental trailers. I have an aluminum model with torsion suspension, and the stainless package. It is a float on/bunk setup with a roller just ahead of the toungue Y junction so the bow isn't damaged if the ramp angle is unusually step. Two sets of bunks, one set 8' long and then a set of "baby bunks" in front of them to support the rest of the hull. With the tall pvc guides on either side it's an ideal setup to single handedly launch and retreve. Our rig sees many many road miles each year as well and we've not had the first trailer related problem. Cost in 2006 was just under 2000 dollars.
Dan	posted 06-17-2009 05:18 PM ET (US) Blu, my local trailer place that serviced my Montauk trailer for several years sold me on the particular Loadrite model. I brought my 18 Outrage to him for measuring, and he told me it would fit perfectly, ride lower, he would install rollers and guides, and that it would tow easily. He had the brochure with models, and showed me the one he was ordering. He told me that Venture trailers were less money and not as good. I stated very clearly that I wanted a roller trailer with bunks -- the same as on my Montauk. When the time came to put my boat on the new trailer, the dealer got frustrated because it wasn't going smoothly. Every time he tried to adjust one thing, it would negatively impact on the next. Problem was that to move the boat forward, it would hit the tongue junction. To avoid this, he would have to raise the height of the bunks to their max, and it would still hit. His solution was to let 17 inches of the boat hang off the end of trailer and tell me this was acceptable. Sucks, when someone you've been friendly with, loyal to, and recommended to others screws you, but that's life. He didn't want to take the hit on the trailer, or own up to his mistakes, so he put it on me. I've had to fight Loadrite every step of the way to get them to do right by me. They haven't come to the table out of self-respect, pride, or any virtuous reason, but because I won't give up. I've had to repeat myself endlessly, supply a hundred photos, not only of my boat, but of the identical boat on other manufacturers trailers. I've worked as a part time teacher, so I know how to make things crystal clear. And, I've had to explain the same things in multiple ways, much the way one would speak to someone with a very low IQ, while all the while being told that they're experts and know what their doing, and have been doing it for 20 years. Today, the rep said flat out that he ordered the wrong trailer. Well,duh! I know it's hard to fathom this tale, but it's 100 percent accurate.
Hoosier	posted 06-17-2009 06:40 PM ET (US) I have a Shore Land'r SLR 31 BLW trailer that I got as a demo model in 2003. My 1978 Outrage V-20 sits on it like they were born together. The trailer is a keel roller forward (4 roolers an an articulated assembly) and an roller bunk aft. The roller bunks were adjusted to as close to the keel as they could go, so it's almost a full keel roller trailer. The boat sits low and is between the wheels which makes it real easy to launch/recover/board. As for customer service, real people answer the phone.
Slippery Eel	posted 06-18-2009 09:21 AM ET (US) I have a 2007 Load Rite 17220090V trailer supporting my 1979 Montauk. I have been very happy with this trailer and its setup. I have about 2" of boat hanging over the back but the way the trailer is set up there is no issue. I really like the way the boat sits down between the wheels and makes towing a breeze. I previously had a 1979 TeeNee that my boat sat even with the the trailer frame and would really sway if you were not steady on the wheel. Not sure where you are located by my trailer came from Maximum Marine in Tuckahoe NJ. They are a very large LoadRite dealer. Hutch
Sal A	posted 06-18-2009 09:26 AM ET (US) Thanks for all the feedback gentlemen. I will go for the bigger trailer.
ConB	posted 06-18-2009 10:28 AM ET (US) Sal, what are you going to do with the Eagle trailer? Have Hoosier or Jeff bring it back to the Great Lakes. Con
inlandwhaler	posted 06-19-2009 09:44 PM ET (US) Sal, you made the right choice going for the heavier trailer. I have a 1987 15 footer on the 16150076V and it works ok. It’s certainly heavy enough and the proper length for the 15, but it’s not a good fit for the hull. I can’t imagine how the 16150076V would be heavy enough or long enough for you Montauk, let alone a good fit for the hull. Hope the heavier one works well for you.
deepwater	posted 06-20-2009 06:49 AM ET (US) Why do you want a trailer with such small tires,, my Long tilt has 14" tires and my Toyota rims fit it so i always have a spare,, and talk nice the dealer
acseatsri	posted 06-20-2009 02:06 PM ET (US) Sal, with any trailer you buy, I would opt for bigger tires and, if possible, swap the crap tires that come standard and get Goodyear Marathons. The Carlyle or whatever other cheap brand they supply will not give anywhere near the ride/tow quality of radials.
Sal A	posted 06-20-2009 04:28 PM ET (US) Thanks all. I will ask about 14" tires, and swapping. And Big Red is in fact making it back to the fresh water Detroit region. Stay dry. I cant imagine how drenched the poor guys on the Whaler NY Rendezvous are today.