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Author | Topic: Scary Story - Whaler Rescue |
MattInSanDiego |
posted 11-30-2009 01:23 AM ET (US)
We had some big swells in San Diego over the weekend. Thought you would enjoy reading this story. [Here is the narrative by Rob Sanford, in case the link above goes dead. I reproduce it here in the interest of getting this narrative to more boaters to learn of this near tragedy--jimh]--- "This may SAVE YOUR LIFE! READ THIS! The REAL story about the Defiance capsizing during the Thanksgiving Halibut Classic BY ME THE GUY DRIVING! |
jimh |
posted 11-30-2009 09:03 AM ET (US)
An interesting comment from the first-person narrative of this capsize: "GET YOUR BOOTS OFF AND BUY THEM ONE-SIZE TOO BIG!" This same advice was given to me by a friend who had the misfortune of going into the water wearing a full suit of foul weather gear and boots. He told me he nearly drowned because of the difficulty in getting his foul weather boots off. Fortunately he was recovered from the water and lived to tell the tale. However, after this incident he was adamant in his advice to buy foul weather boots that were large and easily removed. |
ratherwhalering |
posted 11-30-2009 12:38 PM ET (US)
I have heard the same advice on the sailing circut for years. The preferred boot, even in the frigid San Francisco bay, is not a boot at all, but waterproof "sealSkin" calf socks and quick dry deck shoes. For offshore, most of the pros have dubarry boots which are surprisingly easy to remove if you find yourself bobbing for apples. |
20dauntless |
posted 11-30-2009 03:20 PM ET (US)
I saw this on another forum and it is certainly scary, escpecially for those of us with pilothouse boats. I've often wondered what would happen if I capsized our C-Dory. How would I get out? Am I better off with a PFD on, or ready to be put on? Even if you can get out, it's difficult to put a PFD on while floating in the water and trying to control your breathing. Even in a Whaler I could see getting a PFD (or other part of your clothing) caught on something on your way out. Lots to think about, thankfully this incident turned out okay. |
Plotman |
posted 11-30-2009 03:32 PM ET (US)
Interesting argument for a manual-inflation only PFD. Doesn't do much good if you are knocked out and into the water, but nothing is perfect in every situation. |
HawaiianWhaler |
posted 11-30-2009 05:30 PM ET (US)
Just a naive question from where we rarely ever wear foul weather boots: why do foul weather boots increase the likelihood of drowning? Is it that they are heavy? It seems like if they fill with water that water alone will not drag one down. Or is it because they hinder treading water and the ability to swim? Just an old dog trying to learn new things. |
merc125 |
posted 11-30-2009 08:27 PM ET (US)
Is the [Boston Whaler rescue boat] really half-full of water? That picture speaks volumes about the benefit of level floatation and an open transom. MartyD |
HAPPYJIM |
posted 11-30-2009 08:57 PM ET (US)
When the temps hit 50 degrees here, I use my Mustang suit. Keeps me warm and dry no matter what the sea conditions are. Full floatation to boot. |
MattInSanDiego |
posted 11-30-2009 09:11 PM ET (US)
After reading this story, I don't think I would wear a full floatation suit inside a cabin. But it sounds like a great piece of equipment for a center cockpit boat. Thank God the author had a knife with him and was able to think and act quickly. |
Fishmore |
posted 11-30-2009 09:54 PM ET (US)
"Why do foul weather boots increase the likelihood of drowning?" With boots on they fill with water and are heavy. Also, you cannot point your toes because the boots keep your feet at pretty much a 90-degree angle to your legs. Frog kicks work somewhat with boots on but you can not do a very efficient pedal kick with boots on. So because you can not efficiently tread water you tire faster. |
HawaiianWhaler |
posted 12-01-2009 06:24 AM ET (US)
Thank you for the explanation, Fishmore. |
Russ 13 |
posted 12-02-2009 01:54 AM ET (US)
Great story & lessons learned. Glad to hear they all survived. It only takes a few mistakes to add up to a bad situation very quickly. As a professional mariner, I am amazed at the number of recreational boaters that take bad weather and the ocean for granted with reguard for safety. If it "might" be too rough to go out......it probably is. |
pglein |
posted 12-02-2009 12:13 PM ET (US)
I was taught as a child to NEVER wear boots on a boat at all. |
Buckda |
posted 12-02-2009 12:31 PM ET (US)
Peter - That really depends on where you fish and the water temperature/sea conditions. There are very few items of footwear that can keep your feet dry in drenching spray and wet decks like rubber boots. The professionals in Alaska wear 'em. The advise about buying them "large" is sound. When we were young and "graduating" to Dad's permission to go out on Lake Huron in the boat alone, we had to pass a series of progressively more difficult boat skills and survival/ability tests as our range was widened. To get onto the open water of Lake Huron, among other things, we were basically thrown overboard wearing "typical gear" - boots, foulies and PFD. It really taught a first-hand lesson on how to manage the situation. Incidentally, how many of you actually USE your PFD once a season - just to see how your body handles the awkwardness? My annual safety gear field test usually occurs on a 90 degree day in August near a sandy beach - but I actually jump overboard once a season with my PFD on - to make sure it still floats my growing girth, and to make sure I'm still cognizant of how difficult it is to re-board the boat and maneuver in the water wearing it. Glad everyone survived. Winter is coming. Good time to evaluate, assess and plan for your safety next season. |
Buckda |
posted 12-02-2009 12:32 PM ET (US)
...but then again Peter, I'm a simple non sophisticated Midwesterner... :P |
RLwhaler |
posted 12-02-2009 04:19 PM ET (US)
WOW! great read..a lesson is learned from a horrific experience.Thank you for posting this article. RL |
Plotman |
posted 12-02-2009 10:09 PM ET (US)
Boots full of water are not "heavy" when the wearer is in the water. Water is neutrally buoyant in water. That said, having boots on makes it very hard to kick effectively. I don't know if it is because it is hard to point your toes, or what. But kicks with boots on aren't all that effective. Back in the day, the summer camp I went to in Northern Wisconsin had a test to see if you could go on a canoe camping trip and be exempt from having to wear a life jacket (those orange horse collars). You had to "swim the point" - swim from the camp to a point 1/4 mile away and back, dressed in Jeans, a sweatshirt and hiking boots. You can swim in boots if you keep you head. |
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