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Kingsteven18 posted 01-22-2010 11:29 AM ET (US)
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lakeman posted 01-22-2010 03:22 PM ET (US)
I posted that about the same thing in my local paper, always a need for more sources of protein in the world. My local paper said that some had already or are in the process of making the carp a commercial fishery in the, I assume the
Great lakes area, that is what the article was written about.
PeteB88 posted 01-22-2010 03:35 PM ET (US)
I'm gonna puke
gnr posted 01-22-2010 04:19 PM ET (US)
Grass, silver, bighead and black carp are known as the "Four Domesticated Fish" in China </wiki/China> and are the most important freshwater fish species for food and Chinese medicine </wiki/Chinese_medicine>.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_carps

Tilapia is the third most important fish in aquaculture </wiki/Aquaculture> after carps </wiki/Carp> and salmonids </wiki/Salmonidae>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia
Tilapia are quite fond of detritus. My first exposure to Tilapia was in the mid 90's when we used them here at work as one of the final processes in an experiment to clean up human waste water via an aquatic greenhouse setup. This was a few years before they became popular as a food source in the USA.

cgodfrey posted 01-22-2010 04:43 PM ET (US)
Hey, at least they're easy to catch.
Here fishy fishy fishy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdcQ56OpxNE
R T M posted 01-22-2010 06:40 PM ET (US)
Pete, "the times they are a changing" I just bought a couple of lbs of fresh tilapia (Florida farm raised) this afternoon for dinner tomorrow, Its a very mild fish, tastes like flounder, I think you elite types think you have to eat fresh caught salmon or nothing. LOL. Its time to start eating the trash fish. If I were you I would get in on this new industry, Asian carp. Just rig a golf net on your bow and speed around the river.
rich/Binkie
Kingsteven18 posted 01-22-2010 07:00 PM ET (US)
Think you're eating grouper?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aEu0CqjBMj0s& refer=us
contender posted 01-22-2010 07:51 PM ET (US)
Use a gill net or a seine net catch the hell out of them and grid them up for fertilizer and give it to the farmers...
gigem posted 01-22-2010 09:01 PM ET (US)
EXACTLY why I never eat any fish that I didn't catch! And I sure as heck ain't eating any poop-eating Tilapia!!!
boatdryver posted 01-22-2010 09:27 PM ET (US)
ever eat crab or crab cakes? how about shrimp cocktail or fried prawns?
wake up folks. crabs and shrimp are the maggots of the sea.sad but true
JimL
gigem posted 01-22-2010 09:29 PM ET (US)
Nope, no crabs or shrimp either - that's bait!
PeteB88 posted 01-22-2010 10:09 PM ET (US)
Some of you guys just don't get it. You're poking needles in my eyes.
lizard posted 01-22-2010 10:33 PM ET (US)
Tilapia is emerging as the fish with the most toxins. I don't think it will be on the shelves in another year or two without a MAJOR warning.
Joe 15 SS LTD posted 01-22-2010 11:14 PM ET (US)
The Tilapia took a big hit with the cold weather. Might not be on Florida shelves for a while.
Joe
cohasett73 posted 01-23-2010 08:05 AM ET (US)
I'm constructing a toggel-head harpoon to throw from my Cohasset.
It's the closest I'll ever get to whaling from my Whaler.
Tom from Rubicon,WI
MarthaB posted 09-11-2011 09:43 AM ET (US)
Found this article on the Petoskey News Review website http:/ / www. petoskeynews. com/ news/ pnr-army-corps-strengthens-fish-b arrier-to-block-carp-20110909,0,6710856. story
PeteB88 posted 09-11-2011 12:25 PM ET (US)
IF certain things happen I am going back to the Pacific NW. If real bad then I'm going to British Columbia. I'm getting too old for this. A cot, hot plate, Whaler, skis, some fishing rods and a bike or two - yurt or something.
skinnywater posted 09-12-2011 11:10 AM ET (US)
Don't just eat it, pulverize it and make meal and fertilizer out of it.
Tohsgib posted 09-12-2011 12:03 PM ET (US)
It has to be better than that nasty stuff in a can my cat eats called fish. At least carp is white. 10 billion Chinese can't be wrong...I love Asian foods. They started the whole Tilapia thing back in the early 90's. Until I saw one in a Chinese market, I thought they were just for fish tanks...oh like Asian carp!!
Sojo81007 posted 09-12-2011 02:14 PM ET (US)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFoqmUWiXXQ
The carp at 7 points, Lake Raystown
RabAye posted 09-12-2011 09:07 PM ET (US)
Unfortunately I see this over and over on this board, anyone who thinks it unfortunate that invaders are taking over our waterways and forcing out native species is call "an elite type." While there may not be anything that can be done now that the door is open, there are still measures to be take short of resigning ourselves to making the best of eating carp, not because it is a scavenger but because it is full of bones. Personally, I eat and enjoy all types of fish, and when fishing in Mexico I target the small bass, triggers and snappers along the shoreline just as much as the dorado and yellowtail off shore. And my poor ancestors ate plenty of trash fish when that's all there was, ground it up with flour and called it gefilte fish. I am not an elitist and protecting our environment including our waterways does not brand me as such.
David Pendleton posted 09-12-2011 09:55 PM ET (US)
Years ago, I sent an email to my State representative after reading about a bill he supported authorizing millions of dollars to prevent the spread of Asian Carp in the Mississippi and Saint Croix rivers.
In this email I noted just how good humans are at decimating a fishery. I cited a few examples from the Great Lakes (Lake Trout, anyone?), just to name one.
I suggested that this ability be applied beneficially here in MN: place a per-pound bounty on these fish. Make it attractive enough to appeal to even the casual angler, and let (human) nature take it's course.
I speculated that the three million dollars or so being discussed be used instead to fund a $.50 per-pound bounty. That's six-million pounds of Carp. And since the fish can be quite large that might prove to be lucrative to even a casual angler.
I also suggested they might further benefit from reselling the fish as fertilizer or as food.
I received a nice handwritten response which basically said "we're on top of it, thanks."
Indeed.
MarthaB posted 09-12-2011 09:59 PM ET (US)

Just received this info from the MUCC.
Stop Asian Carp.
MUCC TO STREAM ASIAN
CARP SUMMIT LIVE ONLINE

On Tuesday, Sept. 13, Michigan United Conservation Club's Michigan OutofDoors University is teaming up with the Michigan Lodging and Tourism Association, the Michigan Boating Industries Association, the Michigan Snowsports Industries Association, and the Consumers Energy Foundation to host a one-of-a-kind summit featuring presentations and information from state and federal leaders regarding one of the most publicized and controversial invasive species threatening our Great Lakes today – Asian Carp.
Presenters include Director of the Office of the Great Lakes Patty Birkholz, Assistant Attorney General Peter Manning with an update on the State of Michigan’s legal strategies, Gary O’Keefe of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and, Michigan Senior Capitol Correspondent and host of “Off the Record” Tim Skubick.
For those unable to attend the Summit in person, MUCC will provide a free LIVE stream of the event. The event begins at 8 a.m. and the stream will begin shortly beforehand.
Hope this link works.
http:/ / www. michiganoutofdoors. com/ dnr_livestream/ ?utm_content=ston y635%40yahoo. com& utm_source=VerticalResponse& utm_medium=Email& utm_te rm=TO%20VIEW%20THE%20STREAM%2C%20CLICK%20HERE%2E& utm_campaign=Stop%20As ian%20Carp%2E%20LIVE%20Stream%20of%20Asian%20Carp%20Summitcontent
Hoosier posted 09-22-2011 07:34 AM ET (US)
Looks like Illinois is seriously trying to get these to be thought of as food.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9PTGVS02&show_article=1
wezie posted 09-22-2011 07:59 AM ET (US)
At least they can be harvested as pet food, and fertilizer. All that corn/ahol is being grown with oil based fertilizers.
One under each corn plant will grow a lot of corn. I am sure Algore will bend over and help dig the holes.
contender posted 09-22-2011 09:05 AM ET (US)
Work force in the State of Illinois, Ha, This is easy, put the people collecting food stamps and welfare to work catching, cleaning, and packing the fish. The fish can be sold to China (for once we will be sending them something) and other countries, Or grounded up for fertilizer for the farmers in our country and sell it to others. Lets make some money on this disaster for once...
Hoosier posted 09-22-2011 11:58 AM ET (US)
I guess this AP story is making the rounds, this one has embedded videos, the CNN one is a hoot.
http:/ / www. theblaze. com/ stories/ let-them-eat-carp-illinois-conside rs-feeding-the-poor-with-invasive-fish/
Tohsgib posted 09-22-2011 12:07 PM ET (US)
Contender...it won't work because IT MAKES SENSE! Whatever happened to a good ole chain gang? Can't beat our kids anymore either...hell I 'm moving to China.
Hoosier posted 04-25-2014 03:21 PM ET (US)
Since this subject is bound to come up again, once the ice melts, I thought I'd post this article from BoatUS Angler magazine:
http://www.boatus.com/angler/magazine/2013/fall/ news_exporting-asian-carp.asp
A contract for 1,000,000 pounds is a lot of carp.
This second article in the same issue covers the fresh water trash fish industry:
http://www.boatus.com/angler/magazine/2013/Fall/one-mans-trash.asp
skred posted 04-26-2014 09:27 AM ET (US)
Wonder how many here have actually TRIED the oriental carp? I have. I found it excellent. Now, I'm no gourmet, and I enjoy lobster, crab, mussels et al. I suggest the naysayers here actually try properly prepared alleged "rough" fish, and then speak from experience...
Jefecinco posted 04-26-2014 09:59 AM ET (US)
I used to routinely release Sheepshead. I heard some people ate them but no one I fished with kept them. Them I met this nice Yankee couple from Indiana who said they thought a Sheepshead looked like a good fish to bake and they were going to try one.
Long story short, I now keep and eat Sheepshead. Due to the relative difficulty in fileting the fish I only keep large ones but they are worth the trouble. Lovely mild white filets that are delicious grilled or fried.
How did that Cobia fishing turn out?
Butch
saumon posted 04-26-2014 09:05 PM ET (US)
They discuss it at length in the Silent Invaders episode about the Asian carp, showing the recipe and discussing the exportation of this protein-rich meal. It start around the 10 min. mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rF-STc3-Js
swist posted 04-27-2014 08:16 AM ET (US)
I would note that Asians (and Europeans and Africans for that matter) make much better use of all species of fish/shellfish than Americans do. Not to mention parts of animals we consider inedible. I'm sure the origin of these tastes was strictly economic.
jimh posted 04-27-2014 09:45 AM ET (US)
Many years ago when working in downtown Detroit, I used to take my lunch hour sitting in my car at a riverside park, and, on occasion going for a stroll in the park. In the late Spring there were often many people angling along the seawall. These anglers were not your fancy catch-and-release upscale types, but were rather earthy folks from the neighborhood, keeping just about anything they caught, presumably to later consume it. The park was a rather shady place, and I don't mean there was a lot of sun cover. All sorts of nonsense went on there. As the years went by, visiting the park became so dicey that I stopped leaving my car and just sat there watching for boat traffic, and, then, eventually, the place got so out of control that I stopped going there at all, as the risk was just too great. But I digress.
Back in those good old days, the anglers were catching all sorts of species. I once asked one of them about the fresh water drum, which is locally referred to as a Sheephead. The fellow's attitude toward me immediately changed, as if I had insulted him. He replied in a very unfriendly manner, "I don't know nothin' about no Sheephead," as if my asking that question had somehow insulted him by suggesting he might be catching and eating such a lowly species. Apparently even among the least prosperous residents of one of America's most decayed urban areas, consuming Sheephead represents a level of civility that is too low to be tolerated.
Hoosier posted 09-27-2014 12:01 PM ET (US)
This was referenced in another thread but ought to get re-cited here. It seems that someone, finally, actually did some science and has a startling conclusion, go to page 9.
http://issuu.com/glbm/docs/septoct14-digital?e=1049303/9388141
jimh posted 09-27-2014 12:41 PM ET (US)
The format of that presentation of the GLB article makes it extraordinarily hard to read. Is there any really scientific evidence that supports its rather wild premise?
Hoosier posted 09-27-2014 11:10 PM ET (US)
I think you have to go to the other article, on page 30, to get the background and supporting data. Basically what they're saying is that there isn't enough food (of the kind they need) in the Great Lakes to feed them and they'll starve to death.

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Author	Topic: Easting Asian Silver Carp Aquatic Nuisance Species in Great Lakes
Kingsteven18	posted 01-22-2010 11:29 AM ET (US) [This article contained no content other than a link.]
lakeman	posted 01-22-2010 03:22 PM ET (US) I posted that about the same thing in my local paper, always a need for more sources of protein in the world. My local paper said that some had already or are in the process of making the carp a commercial fishery in the, I assume the Great lakes area, that is what the article was written about.
PeteB88	posted 01-22-2010 03:35 PM ET (US) I'm gonna puke
gnr	posted 01-22-2010 04:19 PM ET (US) Grass, silver, bighead and black carp are known as the "Four Domesticated Fish" in China </wiki/China> and are the most important freshwater fish species for food and Chinese medicine </wiki/Chinese_medicine>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_carps Tilapia is the third most important fish in aquaculture </wiki/Aquaculture> after carps </wiki/Carp> and salmonids </wiki/Salmonidae> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia Tilapia are quite fond of detritus. My first exposure to Tilapia was in the mid 90's when we used them here at work as one of the final processes in an experiment to clean up human waste water via an aquatic greenhouse setup. This was a few years before they became popular as a food source in the USA.
cgodfrey	posted 01-22-2010 04:43 PM ET (US) Hey, at least they're easy to catch. Here fishy fishy fishy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdcQ56OpxNE
R T M	posted 01-22-2010 06:40 PM ET (US) Pete, "the times they are a changing" I just bought a couple of lbs of fresh tilapia (Florida farm raised) this afternoon for dinner tomorrow, Its a very mild fish, tastes like flounder, I think you elite types think you have to eat fresh caught salmon or nothing. LOL. Its time to start eating the trash fish. If I were you I would get in on this new industry, Asian carp. Just rig a golf net on your bow and speed around the river. rich/Binkie
Kingsteven18	posted 01-22-2010 07:00 PM ET (US) Think you're eating grouper? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aEu0CqjBMj0s& refer=us
contender	posted 01-22-2010 07:51 PM ET (US) Use a gill net or a seine net catch the hell out of them and grid them up for fertilizer and give it to the farmers...
gigem	posted 01-22-2010 09:01 PM ET (US) EXACTLY why I never eat any fish that I didn't catch! And I sure as heck ain't eating any poop-eating Tilapia!!!
boatdryver	posted 01-22-2010 09:27 PM ET (US) ever eat crab or crab cakes? how about shrimp cocktail or fried prawns? wake up folks. crabs and shrimp are the maggots of the sea.sad but true JimL
gigem	posted 01-22-2010 09:29 PM ET (US) Nope, no crabs or shrimp either - that's bait!
PeteB88	posted 01-22-2010 10:09 PM ET (US) Some of you guys just don't get it. You're poking needles in my eyes.
lizard	posted 01-22-2010 10:33 PM ET (US) Tilapia is emerging as the fish with the most toxins. I don't think it will be on the shelves in another year or two without a MAJOR warning.
Joe 15 SS LTD	posted 01-22-2010 11:14 PM ET (US) The Tilapia took a big hit with the cold weather. Might not be on Florida shelves for a while. Joe
cohasett73	posted 01-23-2010 08:05 AM ET (US) I'm constructing a toggel-head harpoon to throw from my Cohasset. It's the closest I'll ever get to whaling from my Whaler. Tom from Rubicon,WI
MarthaB	posted 09-11-2011 09:43 AM ET (US) Found this article on the Petoskey News Review website http:/ / www. petoskeynews. com/ news/ pnr-army-corps-strengthens-fish-b arrier-to-block-carp-20110909,0,6710856. story
PeteB88	posted 09-11-2011 12:25 PM ET (US) IF certain things happen I am going back to the Pacific NW. If real bad then I'm going to British Columbia. I'm getting too old for this. A cot, hot plate, Whaler, skis, some fishing rods and a bike or two - yurt or something.
skinnywater	posted 09-12-2011 11:10 AM ET (US) Don't just eat it, pulverize it and make meal and fertilizer out of it.
Tohsgib	posted 09-12-2011 12:03 PM ET (US) It has to be better than that nasty stuff in a can my cat eats called fish. At least carp is white. 10 billion Chinese can't be wrong...I love Asian foods. They started the whole Tilapia thing back in the early 90's. Until I saw one in a Chinese market, I thought they were just for fish tanks...oh like Asian carp!!
Sojo81007	posted 09-12-2011 02:14 PM ET (US) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFoqmUWiXXQ The carp at 7 points, Lake Raystown
RabAye	posted 09-12-2011 09:07 PM ET (US) Unfortunately I see this over and over on this board, anyone who thinks it unfortunate that invaders are taking over our waterways and forcing out native species is call "an elite type." While there may not be anything that can be done now that the door is open, there are still measures to be take short of resigning ourselves to making the best of eating carp, not because it is a scavenger but because it is full of bones. Personally, I eat and enjoy all types of fish, and when fishing in Mexico I target the small bass, triggers and snappers along the shoreline just as much as the dorado and yellowtail off shore. And my poor ancestors ate plenty of trash fish when that's all there was, ground it up with flour and called it gefilte fish. I am not an elitist and protecting our environment including our waterways does not brand me as such.
David Pendleton	posted 09-12-2011 09:55 PM ET (US) Years ago, I sent an email to my State representative after reading about a bill he supported authorizing millions of dollars to prevent the spread of Asian Carp in the Mississippi and Saint Croix rivers. In this email I noted just how good humans are at decimating a fishery. I cited a few examples from the Great Lakes (Lake Trout, anyone?), just to name one. I suggested that this ability be applied beneficially here in MN: place a per-pound bounty on these fish. Make it attractive enough to appeal to even the casual angler, and let (human) nature take it's course. I speculated that the three million dollars or so being discussed be used instead to fund a $.50 per-pound bounty. That's six-million pounds of Carp. And since the fish can be quite large that might prove to be lucrative to even a casual angler. I also suggested they might further benefit from reselling the fish as fertilizer or as food. I received a nice handwritten response which basically said "we're on top of it, thanks." Indeed.
MarthaB	posted 09-12-2011 09:59 PM ET (US) Just received this info from the MUCC. Stop Asian Carp. MUCC TO STREAM ASIAN CARP SUMMIT LIVE ONLINE On Tuesday, Sept. 13, Michigan United Conservation Club's Michigan OutofDoors University is teaming up with the Michigan Lodging and Tourism Association, the Michigan Boating Industries Association, the Michigan Snowsports Industries Association, and the Consumers Energy Foundation to host a one-of-a-kind summit featuring presentations and information from state and federal leaders regarding one of the most publicized and controversial invasive species threatening our Great Lakes today – Asian Carp. Presenters include Director of the Office of the Great Lakes Patty Birkholz, Assistant Attorney General Peter Manning with an update on the State of Michigan’s legal strategies, Gary O’Keefe of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and, Michigan Senior Capitol Correspondent and host of “Off the Record” Tim Skubick. For those unable to attend the Summit in person, MUCC will provide a free LIVE stream of the event. The event begins at 8 a.m. and the stream will begin shortly beforehand. Hope this link works. http:/ / www. michiganoutofdoors. com/ dnr_livestream/ ?utm_content=ston y635%40yahoo. com& utm_source=VerticalResponse& utm_medium=Email& utm_te rm=TO%20VIEW%20THE%20STREAM%2C%20CLICK%20HERE%2E& utm_campaign=Stop%20As ian%20Carp%2E%20LIVE%20Stream%20of%20Asian%20Carp%20Summitcontent
Hoosier	posted 09-22-2011 07:34 AM ET (US) Looks like Illinois is seriously trying to get these to be thought of as food. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9PTGVS02&show_article=1
wezie	posted 09-22-2011 07:59 AM ET (US) At least they can be harvested as pet food, and fertilizer. All that corn/ahol is being grown with oil based fertilizers. One under each corn plant will grow a lot of corn. I am sure Algore will bend over and help dig the holes.
contender	posted 09-22-2011 09:05 AM ET (US) Work force in the State of Illinois, Ha, This is easy, put the people collecting food stamps and welfare to work catching, cleaning, and packing the fish. The fish can be sold to China (for once we will be sending them something) and other countries, Or grounded up for fertilizer for the farmers in our country and sell it to others. Lets make some money on this disaster for once...
Hoosier	posted 09-22-2011 11:58 AM ET (US) I guess this AP story is making the rounds, this one has embedded videos, the CNN one is a hoot. http:/ / www. theblaze. com/ stories/ let-them-eat-carp-illinois-conside rs-feeding-the-poor-with-invasive-fish/
Tohsgib	posted 09-22-2011 12:07 PM ET (US) Contender...it won't work because IT MAKES SENSE! Whatever happened to a good ole chain gang? Can't beat our kids anymore either...hell I 'm moving to China.
Hoosier	posted 04-25-2014 03:21 PM ET (US) Since this subject is bound to come up again, once the ice melts, I thought I'd post this article from BoatUS Angler magazine: http://www.boatus.com/angler/magazine/2013/fall/ news_exporting-asian-carp.asp A contract for 1,000,000 pounds is a lot of carp. This second article in the same issue covers the fresh water trash fish industry: http://www.boatus.com/angler/magazine/2013/Fall/one-mans-trash.asp
skred	posted 04-26-2014 09:27 AM ET (US) Wonder how many here have actually TRIED the oriental carp? I have. I found it excellent. Now, I'm no gourmet, and I enjoy lobster, crab, mussels et al. I suggest the naysayers here actually try properly prepared alleged "rough" fish, and then speak from experience...
Jefecinco	posted 04-26-2014 09:59 AM ET (US) I used to routinely release Sheepshead. I heard some people ate them but no one I fished with kept them. Them I met this nice Yankee couple from Indiana who said they thought a Sheepshead looked like a good fish to bake and they were going to try one. Long story short, I now keep and eat Sheepshead. Due to the relative difficulty in fileting the fish I only keep large ones but they are worth the trouble. Lovely mild white filets that are delicious grilled or fried. How did that Cobia fishing turn out? Butch
saumon	posted 04-26-2014 09:05 PM ET (US) They discuss it at length in the Silent Invaders episode about the Asian carp, showing the recipe and discussing the exportation of this protein-rich meal. It start around the 10 min. mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rF-STc3-Js
swist	posted 04-27-2014 08:16 AM ET (US) I would note that Asians (and Europeans and Africans for that matter) make much better use of all species of fish/shellfish than Americans do. Not to mention parts of animals we consider inedible. I'm sure the origin of these tastes was strictly economic.
jimh	posted 04-27-2014 09:45 AM ET (US) Many years ago when working in downtown Detroit, I used to take my lunch hour sitting in my car at a riverside park, and, on occasion going for a stroll in the park. In the late Spring there were often many people angling along the seawall. These anglers were not your fancy catch-and-release upscale types, but were rather earthy folks from the neighborhood, keeping just about anything they caught, presumably to later consume it. The park was a rather shady place, and I don't mean there was a lot of sun cover. All sorts of nonsense went on there. As the years went by, visiting the park became so dicey that I stopped leaving my car and just sat there watching for boat traffic, and, then, eventually, the place got so out of control that I stopped going there at all, as the risk was just too great. But I digress. Back in those good old days, the anglers were catching all sorts of species. I once asked one of them about the fresh water drum, which is locally referred to as a Sheephead. The fellow's attitude toward me immediately changed, as if I had insulted him. He replied in a very unfriendly manner, "I don't know nothin' about no Sheephead," as if my asking that question had somehow insulted him by suggesting he might be catching and eating such a lowly species. Apparently even among the least prosperous residents of one of America's most decayed urban areas, consuming Sheephead represents a level of civility that is too low to be tolerated.
Hoosier	posted 09-27-2014 12:01 PM ET (US) This was referenced in another thread but ought to get re-cited here. It seems that someone, finally, actually did some science and has a startling conclusion, go to page 9. http://issuu.com/glbm/docs/septoct14-digital?e=1049303/9388141
jimh	posted 09-27-2014 12:41 PM ET (US) The format of that presentation of the GLB article makes it extraordinarily hard to read. Is there any really scientific evidence that supports its rather wild premise?
Hoosier	posted 09-27-2014 11:10 PM ET (US) I think you have to go to the other article, on page 30, to get the background and supporting data. Basically what they're saying is that there isn't enough food (of the kind they need) in the Great Lakes to feed them and they'll starve to death.