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pglein posted 06-02-2010 03:17 PM ET (US)
I know the Reference section says this [the OUTRAGE 18 weighs 1,250-lbs and the OUTRAGE 19-II weighs 1,900-lbs,] but something doesn't seem right to me. Why the drastic weight difference between the "Standard model Outrage 18'" and the "19 Outrage II"? They are pretty much the same boat. Is there a typo?
Also, does that figure include the console and RPS? Simply put, things aren't adding up for me. My 1984 18' Outrage sure seems a lot heavier tan 1250 pounds, and I really don't think I've got any water in the hull, as it floats right where it should (floor stays dry with plug out). And, yes, I realize my engine, fuel, and gear are on top of that. No, I haven't weighed it yet.
Tom W Clark posted 06-02-2010 03:23 PM ET (US)
The weight of the classic Outrage 18/19 has been debated around here for about the last ten years. There have been several threads about it.
The 19 Outrage II is a very different boat. The exterior hull mold is the same but the interior is completely different and it uses a third cockpit liner with a floor that is quite a bit higher than the classic Outrage 18.
Yes, in general the listed weight of a Boston Whaler includes all the gear that is standard equipment on that model, so in this case, the console, pedestal seats and rails are included in the weight total.
Most people underestimate how much all the gear they carry on board weighs. All those bells & whistles add up.
elaelap posted 06-04-2010 09:50 AM ET (US)
Out of sight, out of mind: don't forget about the almost 400 lbs a full 63 gallons of gas will add in that great below-deck fuel tank. I really enjoyed having all that weight down below, as well as having the incredible range offered by the large tank. It was a primary deciding factor for me when I was debating whether to buy a classic OR 18 or a new Montauk 170. What a feeling of security 63 gallons of fuel gives, especially if your boat is powered by a fuel-sipping four stroke outboard.
Tony
pglein posted 06-04-2010 12:30 PM ET (US)
Oh, I'm aware of the extra weight of engine and fuel. From what I can tell, here is the weight of my boat/gear/trailer:

1984 Outrage Hull: 1,250# (according to CW's reference page)
1985 Johnson 150hp V6 25" shaft: 381# (various sources)
Yamaha 9.9hp 4-stroke: 100# (est)
63 gallons of gasoline: 390# (63x6.2)
94 Quart Igloo cooler 1/2 full of ice/beer: 100# (varies)
Bruce Anchor: 11#
Chain and Rode: 15# (est)
2 Deep Cycle Group 24 Batteries: 80#
Electrical wire, cables and other rigging: 100# (est)
Rear Seat: 150# (est)
Other assorted gear (life jackets, etc...): 100# (est)
Tandem-axle galvanized 4-channel 4+2 bunk trailer: 1,500# (est)
Total: 4,177#
Am I missing anything?
aja posted 06-04-2010 12:53 PM ET (US)
I don't remember if I have weighed in on the previous threads already, but am another who doesn't believe the weight difference is as large as is claimed by the BW literature. I have owned both boats and although I don't doubt the 19II is a bit heavier, if I were to guess I would say the newer 19II weight is about right as stated and the classic 18 estimate is a bit light.
jimh posted 06-05-2010 03:46 PM ET (US)
It is very possible there are errors in the REFERENCE section, but before I would be willing to change any of the figures given therein I would need to see something other than just speculation that they are wrong. I would accept something published by Boston Whaler which gave another figure, but I would not consider something to be in error simply on the basis that "something doesn't seem right."
When you say the classic OUTRAGE 18 and OUTRAGE 19-II "are pretty much the same boat," you are abusing the notion of "pretty much." I do not find "pretty much" to be a strictly defined term, and as a result I would not find these boats to be "the same boat," at least as defining that their weights must be identical.
There is a good description of how the OUTRAGE 19-II differs from the OUTRAGE 18 contained in
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/rendezvous/NC2000/dayOne. html#outrage-II
If you read that description you will learn some of the ways the boats are different.
Several people have weighed their classic Boston Whaler boats and tried to deduce the hull weight as it would be described in the factory listing from Boston Whaler by subtracting weights of additional equipment on board when the boat was weighed. This method is not completely accurate or precise, and one can only make an estimate of some weights. For an example, see
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/propellerWDSingle. html#WeightEstimate
where my own boat turned out to be estimated about 400-lbs more than listed in the catalogue. I do not really know the actual weight of the boat, but, as you, I do not think there is any entrapped water in the boat that would explain the 400-lbs over weight. I assume that some of those 400-lbs are from things I put on the boat which I did not account for in my deduction process. I also assume that some of those 400-lbs might be actual hull weight that exceeds the specified hull weight, and could be a result of using a bit too much resin in the lay up.

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Author	Topic: Weight of OUTRAGE 18 and OUTRAGE 19-II
pglein	posted 06-02-2010 03:17 PM ET (US) I know the Reference section says this [the OUTRAGE 18 weighs 1,250-lbs and the OUTRAGE 19-II weighs 1,900-lbs,] but something doesn't seem right to me. Why the drastic weight difference between the "Standard model Outrage 18'" and the "19 Outrage II"? They are pretty much the same boat. Is there a typo? Also, does that figure include the console and RPS? Simply put, things aren't adding up for me. My 1984 18' Outrage sure seems a lot heavier tan 1250 pounds, and I really don't think I've got any water in the hull, as it floats right where it should (floor stays dry with plug out). And, yes, I realize my engine, fuel, and gear are on top of that. No, I haven't weighed it yet.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-02-2010 03:23 PM ET (US) The weight of the classic Outrage 18/19 has been debated around here for about the last ten years. There have been several threads about it. The 19 Outrage II is a very different boat. The exterior hull mold is the same but the interior is completely different and it uses a third cockpit liner with a floor that is quite a bit higher than the classic Outrage 18. Yes, in general the listed weight of a Boston Whaler includes all the gear that is standard equipment on that model, so in this case, the console, pedestal seats and rails are included in the weight total. Most people underestimate how much all the gear they carry on board weighs. All those bells & whistles add up.
elaelap	posted 06-04-2010 09:50 AM ET (US) Out of sight, out of mind: don't forget about the almost 400 lbs a full 63 gallons of gas will add in that great below-deck fuel tank. I really enjoyed having all that weight down below, as well as having the incredible range offered by the large tank. It was a primary deciding factor for me when I was debating whether to buy a classic OR 18 or a new Montauk 170. What a feeling of security 63 gallons of fuel gives, especially if your boat is powered by a fuel-sipping four stroke outboard. Tony
pglein	posted 06-04-2010 12:30 PM ET (US) Oh, I'm aware of the extra weight of engine and fuel. From what I can tell, here is the weight of my boat/gear/trailer: 1984 Outrage Hull: 1,250# (according to CW's reference page) 1985 Johnson 150hp V6 25" shaft: 381# (various sources) Yamaha 9.9hp 4-stroke: 100# (est) 63 gallons of gasoline: 390# (63x6.2) 94 Quart Igloo cooler 1/2 full of ice/beer: 100# (varies) Bruce Anchor: 11# Chain and Rode: 15# (est) 2 Deep Cycle Group 24 Batteries: 80# Electrical wire, cables and other rigging: 100# (est) Rear Seat: 150# (est) Other assorted gear (life jackets, etc...): 100# (est) Tandem-axle galvanized 4-channel 4+2 bunk trailer: 1,500# (est) Total: 4,177# Am I missing anything?
aja	posted 06-04-2010 12:53 PM ET (US) I don't remember if I have weighed in on the previous threads already, but am another who doesn't believe the weight difference is as large as is claimed by the BW literature. I have owned both boats and although I don't doubt the 19II is a bit heavier, if I were to guess I would say the newer 19II weight is about right as stated and the classic 18 estimate is a bit light.
jimh	posted 06-05-2010 03:46 PM ET (US) It is very possible there are errors in the REFERENCE section, but before I would be willing to change any of the figures given therein I would need to see something other than just speculation that they are wrong. I would accept something published by Boston Whaler which gave another figure, but I would not consider something to be in error simply on the basis that "something doesn't seem right." When you say the classic OUTRAGE 18 and OUTRAGE 19-II "are pretty much the same boat," you are abusing the notion of "pretty much." I do not find "pretty much" to be a strictly defined term, and as a result I would not find these boats to be "the same boat," at least as defining that their weights must be identical. There is a good description of how the OUTRAGE 19-II differs from the OUTRAGE 18 contained in http://continuouswave.com/whaler/rendezvous/NC2000/dayOne. html#outrage-II If you read that description you will learn some of the ways the boats are different. Several people have weighed their classic Boston Whaler boats and tried to deduce the hull weight as it would be described in the factory listing from Boston Whaler by subtracting weights of additional equipment on board when the boat was weighed. This method is not completely accurate or precise, and one can only make an estimate of some weights. For an example, see http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/propellerWDSingle. html#WeightEstimate where my own boat turned out to be estimated about 400-lbs more than listed in the catalogue. I do not really know the actual weight of the boat, but, as you, I do not think there is any entrapped water in the boat that would explain the 400-lbs over weight. I assume that some of those 400-lbs are from things I put on the boat which I did not account for in my deduction process. I also assume that some of those 400-lbs might be actual hull weight that exceeds the specified hull weight, and could be a result of using a bit too much resin in the lay up.