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WT posted 07-16-2010 11:21 AM ET (US)
2010 established many new marine sanctuaries around Northern California waters. My fishing grounds out of Bodega Bay had more than 10 miles of coastline now protected as marine sanctuaries.
I had no idea that fines could total upwards to $35,000.
"Bolinas fisherman Josh Churchman, faced with a $35,786 fine for allegedly fishing in a protected area, pleaded his case to an administrative law judge this week at the Alameda Coast Guard Station."
http://www.marinij.com/westmarin/ci_15519691
Warren

WT posted 07-16-2010 11:46 AM ET (US)
"Churchman, named volunteer of the year in 2009 by the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation, has been accused of fishing in waters in the Cordell Bank Marine Sanctuary."
http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/cordell_bank_nms_map.jpg
Anyway, a $35,000 ticket would have ruined my day....
Warren
elaelap posted 07-16-2010 12:15 PM ET (US)
Y I K E S ! ! partner. I know you've seen the two-page single-spaced tiny font regs listing the lat/long numbers re closed areas. The new regs would be fairly simple to comply with if they had just closed one or two contiguous stretches of the coastline, but parceling out the bits and pieces of protected locations makes it real tough to figure out what's happening, even if one is acting with reasonable care. A functioning GPS chartplotter is absolutely essential, as is a strong pair of reading glasses. More fun and games...hope the regs actually succeed in doing something beneficial for the fish.
Tony
contender posted 07-16-2010 02:33 PM ET (US)
def. of fishing is to catch fish. If he did not catch fish, or caught and released the fish would he be fishing?
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-16-2010 02:44 PM ET (US)
The Cordell Bank National Marine Sanctuary isn't new at all.
And if it's like the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary,
fishing isn't restricted much by the Sanctuary.
As far as the new California state marine protected areas,
I'm working on an electronic chart that can be loaded into
Garmin GPSs. It's a transparent layer on top of your
nautical chart. I've got two remaining problems:

- In spite of promises from DFG's deputy director Sonke
Mastrup, I've been unable to get the GIS shape files that
describe the MPAs. I've made then for some areas myself,
but that's a ton of work and "unofficial".
- The current install process requires a registry hack in
Windows. Doing it wrong could leave your system catatonic.
I need to build a bullet-proof (Tony-proof? ;-) install
process.

Chuck
Fishcop posted 07-16-2010 03:18 PM ET (US)
National Marine Sanctuaries Link
http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Groundfish-Halibut/Groundfish-Fishery-Management/Groundfish-Closed-Areas/Index.cfm#CP_JUMP_30284
California State Marine Protected Areas Link
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/nccmpas_brochure_highres.pdf
Chuck,
Let me know how the overlay goes.
Andy

WT posted 07-16-2010 04:46 PM ET (US)
All I did was enter the four GPS points of each new marine sanctuary on my chart plotter.
I found that it's pretty easy to drift into sanctuary waters if you are not paying attention. I will give myself a lot more room for mistakes, next time out.
An exact shaded/colored overlay would be very helpful.
Warren
irishcreamer posted 07-16-2010 04:59 PM ET (US)
Way cool, Chuck.
Any chance you are running a Garmin...?
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-16-2010 05:10 PM ET (US)
Yes, I'm running an old Garmin 162. It may be possible to
do the same thing for other brands. And some recent
chartplotters can load Google Earth KML and KMZ files. If
somebody has one, I can provide KML files as that's the first
step in creating the Garmin overlay charts.
Another thing you can do is to create a "named track" and
and tell the chartplotter to display it. I did that a while
back for the Monterey MPAs, but you need to know what kind
each MPA is and you have to know which side of the line the
MPA lies on. With the chart overlay, they will be color
coded (reserves (NO take) red, etc) and have comb teeth that
point into the MPA.

Chuck
elaelap posted 07-16-2010 05:10 PM ET (US)
"I need to build a bullet-proof (Tony-proof? ;-) install
process."
Heh, heh, Chuck. You've got that right, but good luck. I still need to get help from my daughter or son to stop the G-D digital time signal from flashing '12:00' on my ancient DVD player every time I want to use it.
Yeah, I sure hope you or someone else can come up with an easily-loaded overlay which will work on all the different charts. I'm using a very nice but older Lowrance combo chartplotter/sounder which came along with my "new" 1983 Montauk, and I sure don't want to have to spend more time staring at it and at the published regs figuring out whether I'm legal, than fishing. An overlay such as described by Warren would be great, as would a large chart of our local area with clearly-delineated protected areas and GPS numbers, which we could laminate and keep on board.
Tony
diveorfish posted 07-16-2010 06:18 PM ET (US)
The Coast side fishing club has a e-chart card that has all kinds of bathymetric plus many other fisherman friendly pieces of information.
I wonder if it has all the MPLA areas marked on it. I am going to buy that card and find out. I need a new card anyway.
contender posted 07-16-2010 07:58 PM ET (US)
elapale: A piece of black electrical tape does wonders
elaelap posted 07-16-2010 08:44 PM ET (US)
Great idea, contender. Now tell me how to put new phone numbers and names in my cell phone directory without having my kids do it for me.
Tony
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-16-2010 08:58 PM ET (US)
I got an installer running this afternoon. I need to write
a license document and a README file that basically say
"Use, but if you get busted for poaching, it's not my
responsibility."
Tony: The document you want today is
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/nccmpas/nccmpas_guide.pdf
and they are working a brochure for each MPA that has, in
English what you can and cannot do, and discusses eyeball
markers for the boundaries.

Chuck
elaelap posted 07-16-2010 11:11 PM ET (US)
You the man, Chuck. Thanks.
Tony
Fishmore posted 07-17-2010 02:47 AM ET (US)
Coastside c-Map chip from Jeppesen Marine info...
Available for all plotters capable of using C_Map MAX or NT+
"California MPAs: All Marine Protection Areas as of May 2010 are outlined by a border of Red inverted "T" symbols."
For more info:
http://www.jeppesen.com/documents/marine/light-marine/newsletters/ cfc-promo.pdf
diveorfish posted 07-17-2010 01:39 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the details Fishmore. That card looks to be the ticket for our area. Sure wouldn't want to be fined $35,000.
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-18-2010 12:10 AM ET (US)
The ticket provided your chartplotter takes that cartography.

Chuck
WT posted 07-18-2010 12:59 AM ET (US)
I called Garmin customer support last Friday and the tech said they were working on getting MLPA data on their G2 chips. He had thought they already had it but upon inspection of a current chip, the information was not yet displayed.
I will call Navionics on Monday to see if their chips will soon incorporate the MLPA areas.
Warren
Nantucket Sleighride posted 07-18-2010 10:59 AM ET (US)
I have installed Garmin Gps Chartplotters on all of my Whalers.
Until recently Garmin did not include MPA's on their "Blue Chart" data cards.
A Garmin tech support rep informed me that they scanned NOAA charts for the data that was displayed on the chartplotter and MPA's were not on those charts.
With the Garmin 400 & 500 series of chartplotters the boarders of the MPA areas are now preloaded on to the charts.
One of the problems that anglers, like myself, must consider is that the MPA's change frequently.
New areas are being designated and the coordinates of some pre-existing MPA's change.
In the waters off of Santa Barbara the Channel Islands series of MPA's were modified extending them from State waters out to Federal waters.
In addition they added an MPA between Santa Cruz Island and Anacapa Island. This new MPA is an area called "The Foot Print".
To insure that I do not wander in to one of these protected areas with a fishing rod in my hand I check the DFG website the night before a fishing trip.
If any changes have taken place I create a route on my GPS with those MPA coordinates.
Tight lines
Bill

Sal DiMercurio posted 07-18-2010 11:28 AM ET (US)
If you belong to Coastside fishing club, you can get the up to the moment chip for $79.00 from Jeppesen.
If not a member, just go to ....US-club@jeppesen.com for $89.00
It's a very complete chip.
Sal
WT posted 07-18-2010 01:41 PM ET (US)
A friend of mine says instead of paying the $35,000 fine, the guy might look into taking the jail time. He would get free room and board via the State of California.
If it were me, I'd also get all my teeth fixed, a heart transplant and get a makeover by pumping some iron. :-)
Warren
pcrussell50 posted 07-19-2010 12:54 AM ET (US)
Extreme overreaction by regulatory authorities, perchance? I know the government coffers are a little low these days. Maybe raise some government employee retirement ages up out of the 40's and into the 50's? At least until some kind of economic turnaround?
-Peter
WT posted 07-19-2010 12:04 PM ET (US)
Navionics is working on incorporating NPA data onto their charts. So far they are working on the Channel Islands area and not Northern California.
Navionics chart data is usually updated in January so we will probably have to wait until then.
Warren
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-19-2010 03:13 PM ET (US)
Anybody want to try my charts for Garmin? At present they
only include some of the Central Coast and North Central Coast
MPAs, and in most cases the detail along the coastline and at
the three-mile limit of state waters is highly simplified
(like a straight line between the points where the MPA goes
ashore or gets to the three-mile limit.
There are two pieces to the testing: Firstly to see of they
install on Windows and show up in Garmin MapSource. For
that I'm looking for folks that have Mapsource and are
reasonably Windows-competent. You don't have to be a guru,
but must be comfortable about installing Windows software.
I'm looking for a variety of Windows platforms. I've tried
it on Windows XP 32-bit, and the installer package purports to
also support Vists 32 and 64 and Windows 7 32 and 64.
The second piece is try downloading to your chartplotter.
I want to very slowly on that with some home work on each
plotter type. For this I need someone who is comfortable
downloading Garmin BlueCharts already.
Chuck
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-19-2010 03:46 PM ET (US)
BTW, the reason there aren't just two big MPAs is to allow the
MPAs to populate the regions in between. The MLPA Science
Advisory Council set minimum and maximum distances between
contiguous groups of MPAs, and the proposals were scored
against that, and a number of other criteria (variety of
habitat, etc.), then there was a whole lot of politicken.

Chuck
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-19-2010 04:11 PM ET (US)
I just checked the regs for the Cordell Bank NMS, and about
the only thing they prohibit is drilling for oil and gas,
messing with birds, turtles, and mammals, and invert take
off the bottom (e.g., crabbing, spot prawns, etc.) I wonder
what this guy was doing.

Chuck
Fishmore posted 07-20-2010 02:49 AM ET (US)
For those that are interested.
Chart of plotters capable of using C_Map MAX or NT+
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/landfallnav/CMapCompatibility.pdf
WT posted 07-20-2010 11:03 AM ET (US)
Garmin has MPA boundries on their G2 maps. Here's an example:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/G2.jpg
Warren
WT posted 07-20-2010 11:28 AM ET (US)
This chip was just released yesterday and available through Garmin direct.
Make sure if you upgrade chips to get version 12 or 2010.5.
Warren
towboater posted 07-20-2010 12:11 PM ET (US)
I provide Tug/Barge for fireworks on the Columbia River each year, past 10 years. USCG requires 600 ft perimeter...IMO, similar to plots of restricted Marine areas.
Year 2, County Marine enforcement busted 3 different boat operators with DWI's (fishing in restricted area equivalent?). Im not defending drinking, the reason County had reason to go alonside the boats in the first place is to enforce the unmarked perimeter and conflict came of it.
Following year I personally laid out buoy's on each corner of the perimeter...NO INCIDENTS. nothing.
Since then, USCG Aux has been anchoring a boat with revolving yellow light on each end and everything goes S M O O T H.
Im saying, great of all you guys to plot, but, what about those who dont? Is the time coming a GPS plotter is going to become REQUIRED...same as a fire extinguisher?
If US Dept of Fish and Wildlife (FWS) does not display a no trespassing sign on the perimeter of their Refuges and one day you explore, are you guilty of trespassing on public property? Yeah, I know, pushing things here, but, what about Warren who wants to fish near it?
Columbia River has a salmon season fishery called BUOY 10.
Which is basically the confluence of the river and bar.
For years, the red buoy 10 was the only reference point on the FWS Fishing Rules and there were CONSTANT disputes hassles, conflicts. Then, FWS anchored out a yellow can 1/4 mile north out of harms way that is a nobrainer reference point. Again, the situation was completely, totally resolved.
You guys have a good case to ask for BUOY'S. Big can and chain is one thing...Geez, a cluster of white crab buoys would do the trick.

WT posted 07-20-2010 12:14 PM ET (US)
I just ordered my new Garmin US West G2 chip which outlines all the new Marine Protected Areas (MPA). Cost is $160.75 before shipping and state tax.
Warren
WT posted 07-20-2010 12:19 PM ET (US)
towboater:
The fishing/boating regulations are starting to mirror our tax code in complexity. Like a CPA, cartographers are going to be in demand.
Warren
towboater posted 07-20-2010 12:20 PM ET (US)
BTW, ocean salmon fishing yesterday near mouth of Columbia and a hump back whale surfaced 50 ft from the boat. That thing was bigger than a elephant. Just amazing.
3 poles, 4 bright kings, 1 silver, all day.
Season is just getting started.
mkj
WT posted 07-20-2010 01:39 PM ET (US)
FYI Garmin G2 chips can be bought at a 50% discount ($80) if you have an existing G2 chip and order as an upgrade.
My G2 data was not on a separate G2 chip so I had to pay retail.
Anyway, now I can't plead ignorance regarding sanctuary boundaries.....
Warren
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-20-2010 07:21 PM ET (US)
Towboater, I'll trump your humpback. Saturday, Adm. Linda
and I had a pair of blue whales, probably mating based on
behavior, come up about 40' from the Montauk. We watched them
for about an hour.
Blues make humpies look little.

Chuck
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-20-2010 07:27 PM ET (US)
DO NOT RUN OUT AND BUY THAT GARMIN CHIP.
It shows Del Mar Landing State Marine Park, which was
established in 1972, and, as an SMP, allowd some or all
recreational take. The implementation of the MLPA has
replaced it with Del Mar Landing State Marine Reserve, with
different and, by eyeball, larger, boundaries, and NO TAKE.

Chuck
WT posted 07-20-2010 07:31 PM ET (US)
Oh wonderful....
WT posted 07-21-2010 01:50 PM ET (US)
Nice catch Chuck. The Garmin guy says yes, the Del Mar sample was old info.
Here are some of the new MPA data boundaries on the Garmin G2 chip around Bodega Bay.
Del Mar Landing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/del_mar.jpg
Stewarts Point
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/stew.jpg
Bodega Head
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/bodega1.jpg
Salt Point
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/salt.jpg
Warren

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Author	Topic: $35,000 fine for fishing in Marine Sanctuary near Bodega Bay
WT	posted 07-16-2010 11:21 AM ET (US) 2010 established many new marine sanctuaries around Northern California waters. My fishing grounds out of Bodega Bay had more than 10 miles of coastline now protected as marine sanctuaries. I had no idea that fines could total upwards to $35,000. "Bolinas fisherman Josh Churchman, faced with a $35,786 fine for allegedly fishing in a protected area, pleaded his case to an administrative law judge this week at the Alameda Coast Guard Station." http://www.marinij.com/westmarin/ci_15519691 Warren
WT	posted 07-16-2010 11:46 AM ET (US) "Churchman, named volunteer of the year in 2009 by the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation, has been accused of fishing in waters in the Cordell Bank Marine Sanctuary." http://mapsof.net/uploads/static-maps/cordell_bank_nms_map.jpg Anyway, a $35,000 ticket would have ruined my day.... Warren
elaelap	posted 07-16-2010 12:15 PM ET (US) Y I K E S ! ! partner. I know you've seen the two-page single-spaced tiny font regs listing the lat/long numbers re closed areas. The new regs would be fairly simple to comply with if they had just closed one or two contiguous stretches of the coastline, but parceling out the bits and pieces of protected locations makes it real tough to figure out what's happening, even if one is acting with reasonable care. A functioning GPS chartplotter is absolutely essential, as is a strong pair of reading glasses. More fun and games...hope the regs actually succeed in doing something beneficial for the fish. Tony
contender	posted 07-16-2010 02:33 PM ET (US) def. of fishing is to catch fish. If he did not catch fish, or caught and released the fish would he be fishing?
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-16-2010 02:44 PM ET (US) The Cordell Bank National Marine Sanctuary isn't new at all. And if it's like the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary, fishing isn't restricted much by the Sanctuary. As far as the new California state marine protected areas, I'm working on an electronic chart that can be loaded into Garmin GPSs. It's a transparent layer on top of your nautical chart. I've got two remaining problems: - In spite of promises from DFG's deputy director Sonke Mastrup, I've been unable to get the GIS shape files that describe the MPAs. I've made then for some areas myself, but that's a ton of work and "unofficial". - The current install process requires a registry hack in Windows. Doing it wrong could leave your system catatonic. I need to build a bullet-proof (Tony-proof? ;-) install process. Chuck
Fishcop	posted 07-16-2010 03:18 PM ET (US) National Marine Sanctuaries Link http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/Groundfish-Halibut/Groundfish-Fishery-Management/Groundfish-Closed-Areas/Index.cfm#CP_JUMP_30284 California State Marine Protected Areas Link http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/nccmpas_brochure_highres.pdf Chuck, Let me know how the overlay goes. Andy
WT	posted 07-16-2010 04:46 PM ET (US) All I did was enter the four GPS points of each new marine sanctuary on my chart plotter. I found that it's pretty easy to drift into sanctuary waters if you are not paying attention. I will give myself a lot more room for mistakes, next time out. An exact shaded/colored overlay would be very helpful. Warren
irishcreamer	posted 07-16-2010 04:59 PM ET (US) Way cool, Chuck. Any chance you are running a Garmin...?
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-16-2010 05:10 PM ET (US) Yes, I'm running an old Garmin 162. It may be possible to do the same thing for other brands. And some recent chartplotters can load Google Earth KML and KMZ files. If somebody has one, I can provide KML files as that's the first step in creating the Garmin overlay charts. Another thing you can do is to create a "named track" and and tell the chartplotter to display it. I did that a while back for the Monterey MPAs, but you need to know what kind each MPA is and you have to know which side of the line the MPA lies on. With the chart overlay, they will be color coded (reserves (NO take) red, etc) and have comb teeth that point into the MPA. Chuck
elaelap	posted 07-16-2010 05:10 PM ET (US) "I need to build a bullet-proof (Tony-proof? ;-) install process." Heh, heh, Chuck. You've got that right, but good luck. I still need to get help from my daughter or son to stop the G-D digital time signal from flashing '12:00' on my ancient DVD player every time I want to use it. Yeah, I sure hope you or someone else can come up with an easily-loaded overlay which will work on all the different charts. I'm using a very nice but older Lowrance combo chartplotter/sounder which came along with my "new" 1983 Montauk, and I sure don't want to have to spend more time staring at it and at the published regs figuring out whether I'm legal, than fishing. An overlay such as described by Warren would be great, as would a large chart of our local area with clearly-delineated protected areas and GPS numbers, which we could laminate and keep on board. Tony
diveorfish	posted 07-16-2010 06:18 PM ET (US) The Coast side fishing club has a e-chart card that has all kinds of bathymetric plus many other fisherman friendly pieces of information. I wonder if it has all the MPLA areas marked on it. I am going to buy that card and find out. I need a new card anyway.
contender	posted 07-16-2010 07:58 PM ET (US) elapale: A piece of black electrical tape does wonders
elaelap	posted 07-16-2010 08:44 PM ET (US) Great idea, contender. Now tell me how to put new phone numbers and names in my cell phone directory without having my kids do it for me. Tony
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-16-2010 08:58 PM ET (US) I got an installer running this afternoon. I need to write a license document and a README file that basically say "Use, but if you get busted for poaching, it's not my responsibility." Tony: The document you want today is http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/nccmpas/nccmpas_guide.pdf and they are working a brochure for each MPA that has, in English what you can and cannot do, and discusses eyeball markers for the boundaries. Chuck
elaelap	posted 07-16-2010 11:11 PM ET (US) You the man, Chuck. Thanks. Tony
Fishmore	posted 07-17-2010 02:47 AM ET (US) Coastside c-Map chip from Jeppesen Marine info... Available for all plotters capable of using C_Map MAX or NT+ "California MPAs: All Marine Protection Areas as of May 2010 are outlined by a border of Red inverted "T" symbols." For more info: http://www.jeppesen.com/documents/marine/light-marine/newsletters/ cfc-promo.pdf
diveorfish	posted 07-17-2010 01:39 PM ET (US) Thanks for the details Fishmore. That card looks to be the ticket for our area. Sure wouldn't want to be fined $35,000.
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-18-2010 12:10 AM ET (US) The ticket provided your chartplotter takes that cartography. Chuck
WT	posted 07-18-2010 12:59 AM ET (US) I called Garmin customer support last Friday and the tech said they were working on getting MLPA data on their G2 chips. He had thought they already had it but upon inspection of a current chip, the information was not yet displayed. I will call Navionics on Monday to see if their chips will soon incorporate the MLPA areas. Warren
Nantucket Sleighride	posted 07-18-2010 10:59 AM ET (US) I have installed Garmin Gps Chartplotters on all of my Whalers. Until recently Garmin did not include MPA's on their "Blue Chart" data cards. A Garmin tech support rep informed me that they scanned NOAA charts for the data that was displayed on the chartplotter and MPA's were not on those charts. With the Garmin 400 & 500 series of chartplotters the boarders of the MPA areas are now preloaded on to the charts. One of the problems that anglers, like myself, must consider is that the MPA's change frequently. New areas are being designated and the coordinates of some pre-existing MPA's change. In the waters off of Santa Barbara the Channel Islands series of MPA's were modified extending them from State waters out to Federal waters. In addition they added an MPA between Santa Cruz Island and Anacapa Island. This new MPA is an area called "The Foot Print". To insure that I do not wander in to one of these protected areas with a fishing rod in my hand I check the DFG website the night before a fishing trip. If any changes have taken place I create a route on my GPS with those MPA coordinates. Tight lines Bill
Sal DiMercurio	posted 07-18-2010 11:28 AM ET (US) If you belong to Coastside fishing club, you can get the up to the moment chip for $79.00 from Jeppesen. If not a member, just go to ....US-club@jeppesen.com for $89.00 It's a very complete chip. Sal
WT	posted 07-18-2010 01:41 PM ET (US) A friend of mine says instead of paying the $35,000 fine, the guy might look into taking the jail time. He would get free room and board via the State of California. If it were me, I'd also get all my teeth fixed, a heart transplant and get a makeover by pumping some iron. :-) Warren
pcrussell50	posted 07-19-2010 12:54 AM ET (US) Extreme overreaction by regulatory authorities, perchance? I know the government coffers are a little low these days. Maybe raise some government employee retirement ages up out of the 40's and into the 50's? At least until some kind of economic turnaround? -Peter
WT	posted 07-19-2010 12:04 PM ET (US) Navionics is working on incorporating NPA data onto their charts. So far they are working on the Channel Islands area and not Northern California. Navionics chart data is usually updated in January so we will probably have to wait until then. Warren
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-19-2010 03:13 PM ET (US) Anybody want to try my charts for Garmin? At present they only include some of the Central Coast and North Central Coast MPAs, and in most cases the detail along the coastline and at the three-mile limit of state waters is highly simplified (like a straight line between the points where the MPA goes ashore or gets to the three-mile limit. There are two pieces to the testing: Firstly to see of they install on Windows and show up in Garmin MapSource. For that I'm looking for folks that have Mapsource and are reasonably Windows-competent. You don't have to be a guru, but must be comfortable about installing Windows software. I'm looking for a variety of Windows platforms. I've tried it on Windows XP 32-bit, and the installer package purports to also support Vists 32 and 64 and Windows 7 32 and 64. The second piece is try downloading to your chartplotter. I want to very slowly on that with some home work on each plotter type. For this I need someone who is comfortable downloading Garmin BlueCharts already. Chuck
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-19-2010 03:46 PM ET (US) BTW, the reason there aren't just two big MPAs is to allow the MPAs to populate the regions in between. The MLPA Science Advisory Council set minimum and maximum distances between contiguous groups of MPAs, and the proposals were scored against that, and a number of other criteria (variety of habitat, etc.), then there was a whole lot of politicken. Chuck
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-19-2010 04:11 PM ET (US) I just checked the regs for the Cordell Bank NMS, and about the only thing they prohibit is drilling for oil and gas, messing with birds, turtles, and mammals, and invert take off the bottom (e.g., crabbing, spot prawns, etc.) I wonder what this guy was doing. Chuck
Fishmore	posted 07-20-2010 02:49 AM ET (US) For those that are interested. Chart of plotters capable of using C_Map MAX or NT+ http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/landfallnav/CMapCompatibility.pdf
WT	posted 07-20-2010 11:03 AM ET (US) Garmin has MPA boundries on their G2 maps. Here's an example: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/G2.jpg Warren
WT	posted 07-20-2010 11:28 AM ET (US) This chip was just released yesterday and available through Garmin direct. Make sure if you upgrade chips to get version 12 or 2010.5. Warren
towboater	posted 07-20-2010 12:11 PM ET (US) I provide Tug/Barge for fireworks on the Columbia River each year, past 10 years. USCG requires 600 ft perimeter...IMO, similar to plots of restricted Marine areas. Year 2, County Marine enforcement busted 3 different boat operators with DWI's (fishing in restricted area equivalent?). Im not defending drinking, the reason County had reason to go alonside the boats in the first place is to enforce the unmarked perimeter and conflict came of it. Following year I personally laid out buoy's on each corner of the perimeter...NO INCIDENTS. nothing. Since then, USCG Aux has been anchoring a boat with revolving yellow light on each end and everything goes S M O O T H. Im saying, great of all you guys to plot, but, what about those who dont? Is the time coming a GPS plotter is going to become REQUIRED...same as a fire extinguisher? If US Dept of Fish and Wildlife (FWS) does not display a no trespassing sign on the perimeter of their Refuges and one day you explore, are you guilty of trespassing on public property? Yeah, I know, pushing things here, but, what about Warren who wants to fish near it? Columbia River has a salmon season fishery called BUOY 10. Which is basically the confluence of the river and bar. For years, the red buoy 10 was the only reference point on the FWS Fishing Rules and there were CONSTANT disputes hassles, conflicts. Then, FWS anchored out a yellow can 1/4 mile north out of harms way that is a nobrainer reference point. Again, the situation was completely, totally resolved. You guys have a good case to ask for BUOY'S. Big can and chain is one thing...Geez, a cluster of white crab buoys would do the trick.
WT	posted 07-20-2010 12:14 PM ET (US) I just ordered my new Garmin US West G2 chip which outlines all the new Marine Protected Areas (MPA). Cost is $160.75 before shipping and state tax. Warren
WT	posted 07-20-2010 12:19 PM ET (US) towboater: The fishing/boating regulations are starting to mirror our tax code in complexity. Like a CPA, cartographers are going to be in demand. Warren
towboater	posted 07-20-2010 12:20 PM ET (US) BTW, ocean salmon fishing yesterday near mouth of Columbia and a hump back whale surfaced 50 ft from the boat. That thing was bigger than a elephant. Just amazing. 3 poles, 4 bright kings, 1 silver, all day. Season is just getting started. mkj
WT	posted 07-20-2010 01:39 PM ET (US) FYI Garmin G2 chips can be bought at a 50% discount ($80) if you have an existing G2 chip and order as an upgrade. My G2 data was not on a separate G2 chip so I had to pay retail. Anyway, now I can't plead ignorance regarding sanctuary boundaries..... Warren
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-20-2010 07:21 PM ET (US) Towboater, I'll trump your humpback. Saturday, Adm. Linda and I had a pair of blue whales, probably mating based on behavior, come up about 40' from the Montauk. We watched them for about an hour. Blues make humpies look little. Chuck
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-20-2010 07:27 PM ET (US) DO NOT RUN OUT AND BUY THAT GARMIN CHIP. It shows Del Mar Landing State Marine Park, which was established in 1972, and, as an SMP, allowd some or all recreational take. The implementation of the MLPA has replaced it with Del Mar Landing State Marine Reserve, with different and, by eyeball, larger, boundaries, and NO TAKE. Chuck
WT	posted 07-20-2010 07:31 PM ET (US) Oh wonderful....
WT	posted 07-21-2010 01:50 PM ET (US) Nice catch Chuck. The Garmin guy says yes, the Del Mar sample was old info. Here are some of the new MPA data boundaries on the Garmin G2 chip around Bodega Bay. Del Mar Landing http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/del_mar.jpg Stewarts Point http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/stew.jpg Bodega Head http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/bodega1.jpg Salt Point http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/salt.jpg Warren