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Author | Topic: Boat insurance |
Perry |
posted 12-21-2010 12:47 PM ET (US)
I got a quote for boat insurance for my Whaler from Seaworthy Insurance Company that is a lot less than my current insurance from One Beacon. Same coverage but much cheaper. My question is: Does anyone here insure their Whaler with Seaworthy Insurance Company? I wonder if they are a reputable company? |
elenakagan |
posted 12-21-2010 01:15 PM ET (US)
Owned by Berkshire, What do you think? http://www.mdinsurance.state.md.us/sa/documents/ MIA-2007-08-021-SeaworthyAcquisition.pdf |
Perry |
posted 12-21-2010 01:57 PM ET (US)
Okay, so Seaworthy was aquired by Berkshire in 2007. I know nothing about Berkshire and would still like to know if anyone has any positive or negative comments about Seaworhty Insurance Company. |
elenakagan |
posted 12-21-2010 02:00 PM ET (US)
Perry: If you don't know who Warren Buffet is you must be boating in Bulgaria. Or try using what is known as a 'Google' search. |
Perry |
posted 12-21-2010 02:14 PM ET (US)
elenakagan, I don't live in Bulgaria, I live Hawaii and yes, I have heard of Warren Buffet. If you thought Seaworthy was a reputable company, why didn't you just say so? |
efduffer |
posted 12-21-2010 02:23 PM ET (US)
I do not have Seaworthy as my insurance provider, but instead of being a smarta$$, I'll can at least attempt to help... AM Best is a company that provides ratings and opinion on the financial stability of insurance providers. They recently released the results of their latest audit. http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2010/05/10/109668.htm
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Perry |
posted 12-21-2010 03:10 PM ET (US)
efduffer, I appreciate the link. I found it to contain good information:
quote: That was exactly what I was looking for. For a newby, elenakagan seems to have quite an attitude. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 12-21-2010 04:30 PM ET (US)
If someone on this site has had experience with Seaworthy it may be helpful to discuss. The fact that Berkshire owns it means nothing in terms of customer service and reliability when a claim is made. Many companies get chewed up and spit out by likes of private equity firms. |
elaelap |
posted 12-21-2010 04:45 PM ET (US)
Perry, "elenakagan" is TRAFFICLAWYER in drag. 'Nuff said. Tony |
jimh |
posted 12-21-2010 09:14 PM ET (US)
TRAFFICLAWYER is trying to sell his Boston Whaler in order to buy some other brand of boat. His activity here has increased markedly in the last few weeks. I think he is trying to get in a few exchanges with literate boat owners before he has to join some forum where all the articles are written in sentence fragments in all-lower-case, no punctuation is used, and one-quarter of the comments are "what he said" or "+1". |
elenakagan |
posted 12-21-2010 09:51 PM ET (US)
Yup, closing in on my last Hoorah conversing with owners of 20, 30 and 40 year old little boats. I'm going to miss this crowd, well some of you anyway. Mr. Jimh if your ever down So. Fl. way this summer give me a shout on THT, we can zip over to West End in about 45 minutes, pop some Kaliks and chew the you know what. |
efduffer |
posted 12-22-2010 12:02 AM ET (US)
It's been my general experience that real-life eunuchs tend to be online bullies, jerk-offs, or know-it-alls to compensate for their all too little influence in the actual world. |
jimh |
posted 12-22-2010 07:30 AM ET (US)
I had to GOOGLE "Kaliks"--a Bahamian beer. Ah, the subtle differences among boaters. When we go boating--usually in latitude 46 or higher--we are always drinking Canadian beer. |
Robert V |
posted 12-22-2010 07:34 AM ET (US)
In response to elenakagan's comment "Yup, closing in on my last Hoorah conversing with owners of 20, 30 and 40 year old little boats.", my Boston Whaler is a model year 2008. Are you done now? Bye, see you later, don't let the door hit ya' where the Good Lord split ya'....you gone yet? Robert |
Moose |
posted 12-22-2010 09:15 AM ET (US)
Berkshire Hathaway is a publicly traded company (NYSE: BRKA & BRKB) not a private equity group. They own GEICO, numerous insurance & re-insurance operations, and dozens of other large noteworthy companies. As long as Seaworthy is under the Berkshire umbrella it will likely take a massive history altering geo-political/financial event to drop their credit rating, etc., from among the best. I do not have my coverage with Seaworthy, but after reading that phrase "much cheaper" I will be checking with them soon. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 12-22-2010 09:24 AM ET (US)
Thanks Moose. I do know that BH is public. I own some shares. What I was trying to point out is that it does not guarantee quality service or support when a claim is made. BH operates on profit. BH could sell Seaworthy to the likes of a private equity and service may decline rapidly. |
Moose |
posted 12-22-2010 09:53 AM ET (US)
"As long as Seaworthy is under the Berkshire umbrella" Yes, agreed, if Seaworthy's ownership changed to private equity I'd be keeping an eye on that. My policy is so inexpensive, under $200 a year, that I would likely switch just on that type of news. However, I'd ride with their history of buying good companies and holding them for the long term. Always enjoy Warren's line in the shareholder's letter about their average holding period: "foverever." But, sadly Buffett and Munger won't be around forever... Nothing like one share of stock that could buy you a nice Whaler and pretty much any tow vehicle you'd want and have change left over, eh? |
tom976 |
posted 12-22-2010 10:42 AM ET (US)
I think a little more research would be necessary. I few searches on here should be able to come up with some great info. One thing that I recall was to have the boat valued at an agreed value rather than book value. In some cases people who have boats that have been restored and worth much more than one that hasn't had anything done in 20 or so years. I personally have my boat insured with Progressive. For around a little less than 400 bucks a years with full coverage and then some. Agreed value for my 1997 Conquest is about 20 grand. Hope this helps. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 12-22-2010 11:35 AM ET (US)
1988 Newport. 2001 Mercury 75hp 2 stroke Boat and Equipment $4000 coverage $100 Deductable Motor..............$4000 coverage Towing: $400.00 covered Watercraft Liability : $300,000 Uninsured Boater : $300,000 Medical payments :$5000 Travelers Premium $413 |
Perry |
posted 12-22-2010 12:18 PM ET (US)
Boat: 2006 190 Nantucket Honda BF135 Boat & boating equipment..$40.000..Deductible.$400 Fuel & spill liability...$854,000 Bodily injury & property damage.$500,000 (per person) Premium....$422 a year |
boatdryver |
posted 12-22-2010 02:36 PM ET (US)
Being part of BH and having an excellent financial strength rating don't necessarily imply good claim service. To me that's the hard part in deciding which carrier to use. I think Perry is right to ask for references. JimL |
Newtauk1 |
posted 12-22-2010 02:52 PM ET (US)
Just looked at Seaworthy's web site. They insure boats up to 20 years old. That rules out many classic Whalers. |
Perry |
posted 12-22-2010 02:57 PM ET (US)
JimL, I agree that good customer service is important in shopping for insurance. That's why I asked if anyone had experience with Seaworthy when it comes to filing a claim etc. My current policy expires on the 30th of December, so I have a few days to decide which way to go. Thanks for your input guys. |
whalerdude |
posted 12-23-2010 01:00 PM ET (US)
Go with the #1 Boat insurer in the USA STATE FARM. I had a fire damage to my Guardian and I was allowed to have it repaired at the dealer Twin Cities Marine. They did great work and State Farm paid for everything with NO problems. If you have a Whaler you expect and deserve the best insurance. Plus, if you have a question or a problem you can walk in to your local agent's office and deal with a person that you know. |
tom976 |
posted 12-23-2010 03:28 PM ET (US)
Interesting about Statefarm. I have the house, cars etc through Statefarm. They werent interested in insuring my boat. 1997 conquest. |
L H G |
posted 12-23-2010 03:43 PM ET (US)
I believe this classic Whaler was insured by State Farm: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020027.html I have no idea how the insurance claim is going, but perhaps Tom will see this and tell us how it is being handled to date. |
dscew |
posted 12-23-2010 03:52 PM ET (US)
In the interest of disclosure, whalerdude, are you a State Farm agent? Just curious, your profile says you're affiliated in some way with them. |
Mambo Minnow |
posted 12-23-2010 05:38 PM ET (US)
I have USAA for my 1999 Conquest 21. Agreed value $26,600 Premium. $292 Thanks for the comparisons. Looks pretty hard to beat and well known for their customer device. This is in hurricane challenged Florida. |
Jefecinco |
posted 12-23-2010 05:53 PM ET (US)
Mambo, I believe you'll find, when you replace that Conquest, that USAA will not insure the replacement boat. That was my experience when replacing my 1999 16 Dauntless with a 190 Montauk. They sent me over to Progressive with whom they have an arrangement. Butch |
contender |
posted 12-23-2010 06:18 PM ET (US)
Per your posts, You guys are finding very good deals on boat insurance. Maybe it's the times, or maybe the area, but if I wanted insurance on my larger boat, Valued around $45,000. And I have tried the companies you guys have listed, All State, State Farm, Geico, Progressive it would cost me $1600 a year for the cheapest insurance... PS I have to agree with Tom976 and boatdryver... |
whalerdude |
posted 12-23-2010 07:00 PM ET (US)
Yes I confess! I am an agent. I really believe in my company and what we do for our customers. I have been an agent for 24 years. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 12-24-2010 12:11 AM ET (US)
I will need a quote soon. From what I am reading, I'm paying too much. I have Umbrella insurance as well. I wonder if that lowers boat ins. |
Jefecinco |
posted 12-24-2010 10:37 AM ET (US)
Since it's creation USAA was an insurance company for military officers with few exceptions. Since the company was created by a group of Army officers that's not surprising. Recently the company has changed it's policy and now offers it's policies to any military veteran who has been honorably discharged from the service either active duty or reserve component, ie. National Guard or reserves. I believe NOAA personnel MAY be included. I don't know if they are offering boat insurance to new members but I'm fairly sure they continue to offer yacht policies with agreed value. For owners of larger craft they may be worth a look. Also, according to Consumer Reports, they're one of the best automobile insurance providers. I've been with them for over forty years. Butch |
modenacart |
posted 12-24-2010 10:59 AM ET (US)
Direct family members are able to use USAA also. When shopping around for auto insurance, Nationwide was cheaper than USAA. I don't know about boat though. |
Mambo Minnow |
posted 12-24-2010 11:19 AM ET (US)
Butch, read your comments and decided to call USAA to review policy. You are correct, USAA is not writing new policies for homes and boats. Unlike Allstate and State Farm, they are not dropping existing policies in good standing. They blame the current Florida government for policies that are driving them out of the state. I think it's all a racket. We have not had a bad hurricane year in Florida for since 2004 and perhaps 2007. It seems when insurers don't like certain legislation, they can just up and abandon their members in good standing. That does not seem just. I wonder if California will get added to the list after the recent fires and now flooding in SOCAL? Membership was extended to enlisted servicemembers several years ago as well. |
dscew |
posted 12-24-2010 11:33 AM ET (US)
Most/many of them are still parasitically gouging everyone and will forever. I threatened my Allstate agent to go elsewhere for my homeowners, 4 cars, and 2 boats; miraculously, he dropped our rates substantially, stating that there were some "promotions" newly available. Yeah, right. I'll be leaving him after 30 years of being gouged and no claims. Fool me once, my fault for taking it as long as I did. |
Sourpuss1 |
posted 12-24-2010 12:39 PM ET (US)
We have had a policy through Boat U.S. (25' pursuit console/cuddy)) and have occasionally shopped other carriers rates. None have come close, including my home/auto carrier. I wish I could have all the money I have paid out over the years on health and auto insurance. in 25 years I have never had a vehicle or waterceaft claim, and never used the health care for more than a flu shot. Insurance is truly a racket... |
Jefecinco |
posted 12-24-2010 07:18 PM ET (US)
Mambo, I was not aware of the change in home policies. Last month we bought a condo in Gulf Shores and were able to insure it with USAA. Perhaps because we have our home currently insured with them. We live in Spanish Fort, AL about .5 miles North of I-10. Our roof was replaced after Katrina as well as the roof on our 12X20 shed and our privacy fence was repaired on USAA minus our deductible, of course. It was a sizable claim. FWIW, after forty plus years I remain in love with USAA. The service is simply unparalleled. Butch |
contender |
posted 12-24-2010 09:43 PM ET (US)
If a boat is more than 25 years old can you get antique insurance (cheap) like a car that is 25 years old? |
toomanytrains |
posted 12-26-2010 04:39 PM ET (US)
I use Allstate and have 300,300,5,000med, towining, property loss, 9,000 motor, 5,000 hull, 2,000 trailor, think its a pretty good policy for $228 year, have used Alstate on every boat Ive owned and there great, worth checking out. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 01-20-2011 10:18 AM ET (US)
Called Allstate. After being bounced around the phone lines I spoke with someone from India. Could not understand him. He tried to refer me to an Ins agent in my area but again I could not understend him at all. I told him I would call back. |
annapoliswhaler |
posted 01-20-2011 10:38 AM ET (US)
What a shame. There should be some incentive to have call centers here in the US, manned and staffed by Americans! I have had the same experience trying to get help from my mortgage company, and even my own company! Whether they are from Ireland, India, or Asia, it is very difficult to understand! Now I hear that they tell you that you are speaking to Jim, or Jane, etc, but the accent IS THE SAME! I think people would pay some difference if they knew that they were dealing with someone in the US all the time, and they were supporting US jobs. |
Newtauk1 |
posted 01-20-2011 10:48 AM ET (US)
The man was very nice and polite, but I would not want to have to submitt a claim to him. |
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