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martyn1075 posted 04-13-2011 01:54 AM ET (US)
I did some photography work for a client today who is selling an waterfront estate. As I am working my away around I came across the dock that is part of the estate. There was an old classic 18 outrage that had seen better days. It didn't appear to have any obvious cracks holes or anything jaw dropping other than a few things I am not sure about.
The boat was pretty much as stock as you would ever find one. We are talking a console rear seat a cooler and two updated Yamaha HPDI engines thats it. The problem is that you can tell that the boat has been sitting for along time with no use apparently maybe up to three years in the salt water no cover other than a console and seat cover. There are three to five inches of mussels in various areas over the the back portion and stern of the boat. Also another thing I noticed is that the floor board which covers the gas tank is bulging up from the left corner in the area of where the bilge is located which is not working either.
My question is, I was thinking of making a low offer for this boat as its obviously left for a slow death as is. It may not be for sale anyways but someone has left it for sure with this house for sale. Is it even worth the time even if you could get it for a steel. The gelcoat is tired but would come out, the engines are newer (2003-04 I am guessing) Would it be worth while or is an abandoned whaler just bad news. What are things that could be a problem with what I have described above or that you guys would be concerned about.

themclos posted 04-13-2011 08:44 AM ET (US)
I think it is absolutely worth taking a shot.
Only you can determine how much is too much, and how much work you are prepared to put into it.
Dan
contender posted 04-13-2011 10:02 AM ET (US)
Do not make an offer, You can always make an offer, and your offer may be to high (you never know) do this, Tell them it a shame what has happen to the boat and play stupid, ask if it even runs and point out the some of the deficiencies, then ask what are they going to do with the boat and find out who owns it, you could be taking to a middle man and he will want some money also. You may get lucky talking to the right person they may want just to get rid of it....Good luck...PS leave your phone number to the owner may change his/her mind...Again Good Luck
martyn1075 posted 04-13-2011 12:12 PM ET (US)
Thanks my gut feeling is that this one may still be salvageable without too much trouble but it must come out of the water. It really is too hard to see what lies underneath all that growth. What I don't like is the buldge under the floor board. Does that mean that water could be trapped on top of the tank and in the inner cavity. Its likely not a good sign is it.
I took a few snap shots of it and will post once I process them. Pictures are still a lillte tough to give an accurate opinion but maybe they will spark interest.
Martyn
Tom W Clark posted 04-13-2011 12:24 PM ET (US)
If it has twin HPDIs, it is not an Outrage 18. The smallest HPDI is 150 HP.
martyn1075 posted 04-13-2011 12:42 PM ET (US)
Tom you are sharp as soon as I wrote that I knew I should been more clear. The main engine is a 150 HDPI and the kicker is a matching decal to that year or within the range. I didn't pay attention to that one so much as I was the looking for defects in the hull perhaps the kicker is a 4 stroke. Will check the picture they will tell the truth.
Binkster posted 04-13-2011 12:44 PM ET (US)
Avoid the middle man. Use the registration numbers on the bow to find the owner. You need to find the owner or his heirs if he is deceased becuase you also need the title, if the boat is indeed for sale.
kwik_wurk posted 04-13-2011 01:13 PM ET (US)
It is not obvious to me who owns the boat, since it appears it may not be your client whom owns the estate. -- A neglected boat, could have neglected payments, which means you'll have to track down the title holder. -- Either way, get the hull numbers and get to the owner.
If the boat has been in the water that long, it has likely gone through some good freezes this winter. So a bulge or two is not surprising, especially where water collects. A bulge in closed and/or sealed spaces is a concern.
5" of mussels shouldn't scare you, the bottom is going to need some love regardless.
martyn1075 posted 04-13-2011 10:23 PM ET (US)
Below are some photos of this 18 Outrage. At first glance I thought the engine was a HPDI but I was mistaken. It appears to be Saltwater Series II. I'm not super fond of it in the condition its in but I just see it as a abandoned Whaler that may be had at a low price. Is it worth it not sure it would probably take me all summer to get it going with the limited time I have. On the other hand I was thinking it may be a nice future project boat to work on at the right price if it is for sale.
Anyways thanks for the advise thus far keep it coming if you got it. I appreciate it.
Martyn
http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/martyn1075/18%20Ourtrage%20Photos/
Tom W Clark posted 04-13-2011 10:35 PM ET (US)
Hey, that looks like West Van, Horseshoe Bay maybe.
The boat is a 1983-1985 model.
The motor looks really good. Kicker is a two stroke. At least the console and RPS are covered, and the RPS is an asset.
The bulging fuel tank cover could well be a freeze thing. I've seen it before. I would not be put off by that but I would want to inspect the boat out of the water before making an offer of any kind.
Binkster posted 04-13-2011 10:58 PM ET (US)
Now everyone can see the pics.
http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/martyn1075/ 18%20Ourtrage%20Photos/
Binkster posted 04-13-2011 11:08 PM ET (US)
And unfortinuatly your picture clearly shows the registration numbers. You may not be the only one after this boat now. Doesn't look abandoned to be, just unused. Owner may sell it though. Are the mussels just at the waterline?
martyn1075 posted 04-14-2011 01:19 AM ET (US)
No they seem to be all around but much heavier in the back. I removed the number photo probably not a good idea since I don't know the whole story I really was just seeking advice on this boat to find out what I should be aware of if I should progress with tracking down the owner.
There is some good advice here and I think I will keep this one in mind and see how things progress.
Thanks
Kencvit posted 04-14-2011 02:50 AM ET (US)
Tom, thats the Thunderbird Marina in the background West van. waterfront estate? Properties like that start at 5-10 million...I thinkthere was a property there near this dock that is a small island ,only a hundred yards from mainland...that was listed for $28 million
Martyn,If you express an interest in restoring it... maybe they`ll let you have it in trade for your photography.
I was in vancouver for the boat show and went out to look at some brokerage boats at Thunderbird... its a beautiful spot...and there were also some real nice boats there mostly 30-40 ft trawlers, sailboats and commuter boats for the people on the islands in the area.
That being said.... there were some smaller boats there that didn`t look to equal the value of what it costs to slip a boat there for a season.
In the winter west coast rain and gloom...a boat`s appearance can get run down real quick.
In the past, the marina there has listed several older BW boats that I saw on BoatTrader. All were overpriced in my opinion. Its the neighborhood.
Tohsgib posted 04-14-2011 02:00 PM ET (US)
Looks abused maybe but not abandoned. Engine looks reasonably clean as does the rest.
pglein posted 04-18-2011 07:08 PM ET (US)
That boat may have been sitting for a while, but it looks just fine. In our waters, it could have accumulated that amount of growth just over the winter. The amount of green inside tells me it was probably cleaned as recently as last summer and simply left out through the winter.
My guess is that boat is not abandoned, just neglected. But the owner needs to get it out of the water and cleaned up asap. Some damage has probably been done, but it's not like the thing is "beyond hope." A pressure wash, wax job, and some teak oil, and it'd be a boat anyone would be happy to show off at a CW rendezvous.
eriks posted 04-19-2011 12:59 AM ET (US)
My house is in the background, just behind the large piling!! Good luck with that Whaler, it's sad to see that happen.
I don't think a bunch of people will be after it, so I hope it works out for you. Yes, Abode Island was for sale at $29M, but it's on the market now for $9M, and it ain't moving. That would be a better deal than that Whaler. You don't even get a garage for that money! It's a beautiful place to moor your boat and operate out of.

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Author	Topic: Abandoned Whaler
martyn1075	posted 04-13-2011 01:54 AM ET (US) I did some photography work for a client today who is selling an waterfront estate. As I am working my away around I came across the dock that is part of the estate. There was an old classic 18 outrage that had seen better days. It didn't appear to have any obvious cracks holes or anything jaw dropping other than a few things I am not sure about. The boat was pretty much as stock as you would ever find one. We are talking a console rear seat a cooler and two updated Yamaha HPDI engines thats it. The problem is that you can tell that the boat has been sitting for along time with no use apparently maybe up to three years in the salt water no cover other than a console and seat cover. There are three to five inches of mussels in various areas over the the back portion and stern of the boat. Also another thing I noticed is that the floor board which covers the gas tank is bulging up from the left corner in the area of where the bilge is located which is not working either. My question is, I was thinking of making a low offer for this boat as its obviously left for a slow death as is. It may not be for sale anyways but someone has left it for sure with this house for sale. Is it even worth the time even if you could get it for a steel. The gelcoat is tired but would come out, the engines are newer (2003-04 I am guessing) Would it be worth while or is an abandoned whaler just bad news. What are things that could be a problem with what I have described above or that you guys would be concerned about.
themclos	posted 04-13-2011 08:44 AM ET (US) I think it is absolutely worth taking a shot. Only you can determine how much is too much, and how much work you are prepared to put into it. Dan
contender	posted 04-13-2011 10:02 AM ET (US) Do not make an offer, You can always make an offer, and your offer may be to high (you never know) do this, Tell them it a shame what has happen to the boat and play stupid, ask if it even runs and point out the some of the deficiencies, then ask what are they going to do with the boat and find out who owns it, you could be taking to a middle man and he will want some money also. You may get lucky talking to the right person they may want just to get rid of it....Good luck...PS leave your phone number to the owner may change his/her mind...Again Good Luck
martyn1075	posted 04-13-2011 12:12 PM ET (US) Thanks my gut feeling is that this one may still be salvageable without too much trouble but it must come out of the water. It really is too hard to see what lies underneath all that growth. What I don't like is the buldge under the floor board. Does that mean that water could be trapped on top of the tank and in the inner cavity. Its likely not a good sign is it. I took a few snap shots of it and will post once I process them. Pictures are still a lillte tough to give an accurate opinion but maybe they will spark interest. Martyn
Tom W Clark	posted 04-13-2011 12:24 PM ET (US) If it has twin HPDIs, it is not an Outrage 18. The smallest HPDI is 150 HP.
martyn1075	posted 04-13-2011 12:42 PM ET (US) Tom you are sharp as soon as I wrote that I knew I should been more clear. The main engine is a 150 HDPI and the kicker is a matching decal to that year or within the range. I didn't pay attention to that one so much as I was the looking for defects in the hull perhaps the kicker is a 4 stroke. Will check the picture they will tell the truth.
Binkster	posted 04-13-2011 12:44 PM ET (US) Avoid the middle man. Use the registration numbers on the bow to find the owner. You need to find the owner or his heirs if he is deceased becuase you also need the title, if the boat is indeed for sale.
kwik_wurk	posted 04-13-2011 01:13 PM ET (US) It is not obvious to me who owns the boat, since it appears it may not be your client whom owns the estate. -- A neglected boat, could have neglected payments, which means you'll have to track down the title holder. -- Either way, get the hull numbers and get to the owner. If the boat has been in the water that long, it has likely gone through some good freezes this winter. So a bulge or two is not surprising, especially where water collects. A bulge in closed and/or sealed spaces is a concern. 5" of mussels shouldn't scare you, the bottom is going to need some love regardless.
martyn1075	posted 04-13-2011 10:23 PM ET (US) Below are some photos of this 18 Outrage. At first glance I thought the engine was a HPDI but I was mistaken. It appears to be Saltwater Series II. I'm not super fond of it in the condition its in but I just see it as a abandoned Whaler that may be had at a low price. Is it worth it not sure it would probably take me all summer to get it going with the limited time I have. On the other hand I was thinking it may be a nice future project boat to work on at the right price if it is for sale. Anyways thanks for the advise thus far keep it coming if you got it. I appreciate it. Martyn http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/martyn1075/18%20Ourtrage%20Photos/
Tom W Clark	posted 04-13-2011 10:35 PM ET (US) Hey, that looks like West Van, Horseshoe Bay maybe. The boat is a 1983-1985 model. The motor looks really good. Kicker is a two stroke. At least the console and RPS are covered, and the RPS is an asset. The bulging fuel tank cover could well be a freeze thing. I've seen it before. I would not be put off by that but I would want to inspect the boat out of the water before making an offer of any kind.
Binkster	posted 04-13-2011 10:58 PM ET (US) Now everyone can see the pics. http://s813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/martyn1075/ 18%20Ourtrage%20Photos/
Binkster	posted 04-13-2011 11:08 PM ET (US) And unfortinuatly your picture clearly shows the registration numbers. You may not be the only one after this boat now. Doesn't look abandoned to be, just unused. Owner may sell it though. Are the mussels just at the waterline?
martyn1075	posted 04-14-2011 01:19 AM ET (US) No they seem to be all around but much heavier in the back. I removed the number photo probably not a good idea since I don't know the whole story I really was just seeking advice on this boat to find out what I should be aware of if I should progress with tracking down the owner. There is some good advice here and I think I will keep this one in mind and see how things progress. Thanks
Kencvit	posted 04-14-2011 02:50 AM ET (US) Tom, thats the Thunderbird Marina in the background West van. waterfront estate? Properties like that start at 5-10 million...I thinkthere was a property there near this dock that is a small island ,only a hundred yards from mainland...that was listed for $28 million Martyn,If you express an interest in restoring it... maybe they`ll let you have it in trade for your photography. I was in vancouver for the boat show and went out to look at some brokerage boats at Thunderbird... its a beautiful spot...and there were also some real nice boats there mostly 30-40 ft trawlers, sailboats and commuter boats for the people on the islands in the area. That being said.... there were some smaller boats there that didn`t look to equal the value of what it costs to slip a boat there for a season. In the winter west coast rain and gloom...a boat`s appearance can get run down real quick. In the past, the marina there has listed several older BW boats that I saw on BoatTrader. All were overpriced in my opinion. Its the neighborhood.
Tohsgib	posted 04-14-2011 02:00 PM ET (US) Looks abused maybe but not abandoned. Engine looks reasonably clean as does the rest.
pglein	posted 04-18-2011 07:08 PM ET (US) That boat may have been sitting for a while, but it looks just fine. In our waters, it could have accumulated that amount of growth just over the winter. The amount of green inside tells me it was probably cleaned as recently as last summer and simply left out through the winter. My guess is that boat is not abandoned, just neglected. But the owner needs to get it out of the water and cleaned up asap. Some damage has probably been done, but it's not like the thing is "beyond hope." A pressure wash, wax job, and some teak oil, and it'd be a boat anyone would be happy to show off at a CW rendezvous.
eriks	posted 04-19-2011 12:59 AM ET (US) My house is in the background, just behind the large piling!! Good luck with that Whaler, it's sad to see that happen. I don't think a bunch of people will be after it, so I hope it works out for you. Yes, Abode Island was for sale at $29M, but it's on the market now for $9M, and it ain't moving. That would be a better deal than that Whaler. You don't even get a garage for that money! It's a beautiful place to moor your boat and operate out of.