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pcrussell50 posted 07-31-2011 02:55 AM ET (US)
The subject line says it all. My first Whaler was my 1985 Sport 13. After a year and a half, I decided I needed/wanted a Montauk, (I got an Alert 17, which is the same thing). I was supposed to sell the 13, but I haven't yet. Haven't really wanted to, even though I probably should.
Anyway, it just seems like the classic 13 is like the 1/4"-drive ratchet in your toolbox, where maybe the classic 17 is the most-often-used, 3/8" drive... or something like that. You might feel ill-equipped without the smaller option as well.
I get the feeling that I'm not the only one around here to move up, but kept the old 13 around anyway.
-Peter
PeteB88 posted 07-31-2011 09:36 AM ET (US)
I'm one of those guys and still have our first Whaler, 11.5 that still needs to be "restored" and still needs the bow rail I bought installed like 5 years ago and I have the "new" trailer I bought two years ago for the 13 because the Karavan trailer that's under the 13 is perfect for the 11.5 and then there's the Whaler I think I bought a couple of months ago to surprise someone close to me that's somewhere in the vicinity but not quite sure about that - and the bottom line??? I have not sold any Whaler I have ever bought and not sure I ever would. SO the five year forecast is likely to be 5 or 6 total Whalers. But you never know.
Good thread.
Jefecinco posted 07-31-2011 10:51 AM ET (US)
Peter,
As of last Wednesday I'm a two Whaler owner but my 13 was just acquired.
Long story short.... we bought a condo on Little Lagoon in Gulf Shores. The Lagoon is not very deep in many places so it's not best suited for our recently acquired 190 Montauk.
The 13, we believe, will spend most of it's days at the condo in a slip. It had bottom paint but the previous owner was working on it's removal. I'll be applying new bottom paint.
Butch
Mike Kub posted 07-31-2011 03:57 PM ET (US)
I have a '79 13', a '89 18'Outrage and a '87 GLS. I had a Montauk,but find the sit down arrangement of the GLS easier to fish out of. The ride of the Outrage is far superior to the 17'. I find myself sometimes like the mule in between 2 bales of hay. I can justify having all 3 of these although realistically it's silly. God bless us all.Namaste.
contender posted 07-31-2011 07:43 PM ET (US)
Pete: My father purchase a 1962 13 whaler for me and my brothers, I own it until 1975 when I went out and purchased a 17. I gave the 13 to one of my brothers (he still has it in his garage) I redid the 17 last year (Feb-March) and the year before I purchased a 11 for my son. I just finished the 11 about a month ago. Redid both boats top to bottom and the 11 got a new engine and trailer. I customized both whalers (both are Fighting Lady Yellow and a light egg shell interior, non factory colors). I even matched the rub rails and custom FL numbers. I'm going to try to get them both it the water at the same time for some pictures. I currently redoing my 25 Contender as well. So 3 boats in my yard right now....
pcrussell50 posted 07-31-2011 08:25 PM ET (US)
That's awesome that your Whalers have been "members of your family", for so long. Something for me to aspire to. Maybe I'll keep mine and my little girl will take to it, (and no, I'm not sorry I didnt have a boy. My little girl is amazing). She's only a year and a half right now. Anyhoo, stories like yours make me want to keep my 1985 Sport 13. Good on you.
-Peter
roverguy posted 07-31-2011 09:07 PM ET (US)
Own a 1960 13' my dad bought in 1968, son and I did a resto on it 2 years ago.
Just sold my dad's '69 Sakonnet, it needed a full resto and too much for me. We bought that one in 1970.
Just bought a '78 Montauk from a friend who's dad bought it brand new; the boat is in very nice condition.
So basically owned 3 Whalers for about a month, currently 2.
LKD posted 07-31-2011 09:32 PM ET (US)
Just sold our 1985 Sport 13 a few months ago. We had
owned it for 5 years and it was bittersweet the day
the new owner pulled it away. On the flip side, we
have a 1987 Montauk that our daughter grew up on, (she's
almost 21 now), and we have used and enjoyed this
Montauk more than I can convey. My daughter and wife
continually make it clear that the Montauk must never
be for sale. Also have a 1979 Sport 15 restoration going
on that helps to ease the pain from selling the 13.
Whaler_bob posted 08-01-2011 11:56 AM ET (US)
When I was a teenager we had a 13' for "us kids", when my brother got his first "real job" after college he bought a brand new Montauk with a 90HP Johnson. So for a few years we had both the 13' and the Montauk. He kind of outgrew the Montauk and bought a Outrage. So we still had the 13' and now an Outrage too.
When I bought my own home and had kids- I purchased a 13'to take the kids tubing, etc. Then I bought a Montauk, so we had both for a couple years. Sadly, the kids outgrew the 13' and the family outgrew the Montauk- so both got sold.
I like my current boat (Grady Tournament 192) because of it's overall roominess and seating capacity of 8 persons... but I really miss the handling and lightweight performance of my Montauk! I believe there's another Whaler somewhere out there right now that will someday be in my driveway, so y'all take good care of your Whalers for me... ;-)
cc378 posted 08-01-2011 02:39 PM ET (US)
I have a 1972 13, a 1972 11.5 and a1988 Outrage 20 with Whalerdrive. You have to love classic Whalers!
leadsled posted 08-01-2011 03:02 PM ET (US)
1968 sport 13 to get to the mooring.
1977 custom 21 low profile fishing machine that makes over 100 trips out of the harbor every year.
1973 custom 16 used for trailering down the cape.
1969 Katama just repowered and boy is it a fun ride.
1967 sport 13 just bought,near mint but needs a new interior. Does anybody want a very clean Katama with 36 hours on the engine. It's too nice for me and has no bottom paint so it can't be left in the water.
BobL posted 08-01-2011 08:57 PM ET (US)
My 1987 15’ is the Whaler I will never sell but I’m less than a couple weeks away from finishing my 13’ Sport restoration. Can’t wait to try it. Just mounted the engine so I’m close to a launch date. If I like the 13 maybe that will go on the “never sell” list too.
martyn1075 posted 08-01-2011 09:03 PM ET (US)
I do not have a second whaler but have a bad feeling I will eventually find one and won't be able to to resist. Time really just gets in the way oh right and budget.
mdono posted 08-02-2011 12:23 AM ET (US)
My little boat is a 1973 13'er with a Merc. 40. Wife won't allow me to sell.
The flagship is a Grady White 193. Wives like windshields so I am told.
Recently aquired a 1986 15'er. Slowly collecting parts needed for custom hot rod resto. Meanwhile, the hull is drying out in the (hot) sun.
martyn1075 posted 08-02-2011 01:01 AM ET (US)
They also like porta potties and then never really use them.
goldstem posted 08-03-2011 02:31 PM ET (US)
we have a 77 13. also had a dumptruck 21 outrage that we sold last year. it wasn't getting used unfortunately. Still have a harpoon 5.2, so we're still a multi-whaler family.
pcrussell50 posted 08-03-2011 02:55 PM ET (US)
Bigger boat not getting used as much... that's just the thing, see. With my 13, I could go through most of the day, not even considering going boating, then on a whim, I could spin the boat around in the driveway, hoist it onto the hitch, by hand, and be on the water in 15 minutes. Even with the "little" 17, it's quite a bit more of an ordeal to get going on a whim.
-Peter
jharrell posted 08-03-2011 03:13 PM ET (US)
I too upgraded from a 13 to a 17 and kept the 13 for a while. I found that while the 13 was easier to move around by hand and hookup and go, the 17 can still be man handled can go almost as shallow, but has so much more room and is so much more capable/comfortable, that keeping the 13 just wasn't worth it.
I ended up selling the 13 to reclaim driveway space and put some more cash back into the 17. I've got my trailer in perfect shape so it's really no more effort to go hook up the Montauk and put it in the water than the 13 now.
Both are great boats, anything over a 17 and it would exceed moving it around by hand, and complicate trailering and shallow water navigation more than I want for my purposes. Although an Outrage 18 or 22 is very tempting.
pcrussell50 posted 08-03-2011 03:35 PM ET (US)
I wonder if I need to mo e the axle forward on my 17's trailer to reduce some tongue weight?
-Peter
jharrell posted 08-03-2011 05:36 PM ET (US)
I can help to have the weight balanced further back to make the tongue lighter for moving around.
My Montauk trailer actually has an extremely short tongue with the weight very far forward allowing it to fit in the garage, making it impossible to lift by hand. Instead I have a really good A frame wheel jack built in that spins and pivots, raises and lowers well. So when moving by hand it's on three wheels not two like my 13.
pcrussell50 posted 08-03-2011 05:48 PM ET (US)
J,
Sounds neato. Bear with me being a new boater and all, but could you provide a link to what it is you are talking about. It may become mandatory for me. Is this a jack that stays on the trailer? Mine has an extra-long tongue for easier towing and launching... per the previous owner.
-Peter
Tohsgib posted 08-03-2011 07:56 PM ET (US)
You NEED a tongue jack on a 17' unless you are very strong or can turn green and your shirts rips open, etc. Wally Wor;d, Harbor Freight, etc have cheap jacks for under $30. I have bought the better jacks and they rust out or break just as fast so I go with the $25 ones. They mount on the tongue and have a wheel that pivots like a shopping cart. Once on the ball you pull out a pin and slide it so it is parallel with the tongue.
Tohsgib posted 08-03-2011 08:00 PM ET (US)
K-Fart http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_00902854000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2& blockType=G2
pcrussell50 posted 08-03-2011 08:11 PM ET (US)
LOL, I know what an ordinary tongue jack is. I have one. I thought JHarrell, was describing something more. Especially when he used the term A-frame.
-Peter
jharrell posted 08-03-2011 08:28 PM ET (US)
This is the jack I have on mine, has a wheel attachment that can be taken off, got it at northern tool: http://www.bulldogproducts.net/content/products.aspx?lvl=3& parentid=7500&catID=7520&part=155032
The A-frame is just it's mounting where the I-beam's come together. It does seem stiffer and the wheel is higher quality than most folding jack's I have seen.
Either way there a varying quality of jack with wheels, beefier jack's with better wheel flex less and roll better in the driveway making things much easier, don't skimp.
Mumbo Jumbo posted 08-04-2011 12:33 AM ET (US)
I have a 1972 13'/25 Yamaha 4s, a 1964 Eastport/90 Yamaha 2s, and a 1989 18 Outrage/150 Yamaha 2s. The 13 is my favorite Whaler; I've had a 13 Whaler since 1961 when I bought one new from a dealer who was having trouble selling Whalers. I was to poor to by an engine at the time and had to wait awhile to save enough to buy a 9.8 Mercury.
Here is a link to my current 13:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Buckra/Boats/13%20Whaler/
I replaced the Pate tank in 2010 with a Moeller of similar dimensions.
gvisko posted 08-04-2011 08:54 PM ET (US)
1989 13' gls and a 1994 24' outrage with twin e-tecs
TOMAHAWK
Stevebaz posted 08-05-2011 01:08 PM ET (US)
11, 13, 17 call it 2 foot itis. A communicable disease spread by close contact with Whalers.

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Author	Topic: How many with a classic 13, have another Whaler as well?
pcrussell50	posted 07-31-2011 02:55 AM ET (US) The subject line says it all. My first Whaler was my 1985 Sport 13. After a year and a half, I decided I needed/wanted a Montauk, (I got an Alert 17, which is the same thing). I was supposed to sell the 13, but I haven't yet. Haven't really wanted to, even though I probably should. Anyway, it just seems like the classic 13 is like the 1/4"-drive ratchet in your toolbox, where maybe the classic 17 is the most-often-used, 3/8" drive... or something like that. You might feel ill-equipped without the smaller option as well. I get the feeling that I'm not the only one around here to move up, but kept the old 13 around anyway. -Peter
PeteB88	posted 07-31-2011 09:36 AM ET (US) I'm one of those guys and still have our first Whaler, 11.5 that still needs to be "restored" and still needs the bow rail I bought installed like 5 years ago and I have the "new" trailer I bought two years ago for the 13 because the Karavan trailer that's under the 13 is perfect for the 11.5 and then there's the Whaler I think I bought a couple of months ago to surprise someone close to me that's somewhere in the vicinity but not quite sure about that - and the bottom line??? I have not sold any Whaler I have ever bought and not sure I ever would. SO the five year forecast is likely to be 5 or 6 total Whalers. But you never know. Good thread.
Jefecinco	posted 07-31-2011 10:51 AM ET (US) Peter, As of last Wednesday I'm a two Whaler owner but my 13 was just acquired. Long story short.... we bought a condo on Little Lagoon in Gulf Shores. The Lagoon is not very deep in many places so it's not best suited for our recently acquired 190 Montauk. The 13, we believe, will spend most of it's days at the condo in a slip. It had bottom paint but the previous owner was working on it's removal. I'll be applying new bottom paint. Butch
Mike Kub	posted 07-31-2011 03:57 PM ET (US) I have a '79 13', a '89 18'Outrage and a '87 GLS. I had a Montauk,but find the sit down arrangement of the GLS easier to fish out of. The ride of the Outrage is far superior to the 17'. I find myself sometimes like the mule in between 2 bales of hay. I can justify having all 3 of these although realistically it's silly. God bless us all.Namaste.
contender	posted 07-31-2011 07:43 PM ET (US) Pete: My father purchase a 1962 13 whaler for me and my brothers, I own it until 1975 when I went out and purchased a 17. I gave the 13 to one of my brothers (he still has it in his garage) I redid the 17 last year (Feb-March) and the year before I purchased a 11 for my son. I just finished the 11 about a month ago. Redid both boats top to bottom and the 11 got a new engine and trailer. I customized both whalers (both are Fighting Lady Yellow and a light egg shell interior, non factory colors). I even matched the rub rails and custom FL numbers. I'm going to try to get them both it the water at the same time for some pictures. I currently redoing my 25 Contender as well. So 3 boats in my yard right now....
pcrussell50	posted 07-31-2011 08:25 PM ET (US) That's awesome that your Whalers have been "members of your family", for so long. Something for me to aspire to. Maybe I'll keep mine and my little girl will take to it, (and no, I'm not sorry I didnt have a boy. My little girl is amazing). She's only a year and a half right now. Anyhoo, stories like yours make me want to keep my 1985 Sport 13. Good on you. -Peter
roverguy	posted 07-31-2011 09:07 PM ET (US) Own a 1960 13' my dad bought in 1968, son and I did a resto on it 2 years ago. Just sold my dad's '69 Sakonnet, it needed a full resto and too much for me. We bought that one in 1970. Just bought a '78 Montauk from a friend who's dad bought it brand new; the boat is in very nice condition. So basically owned 3 Whalers for about a month, currently 2.
LKD	posted 07-31-2011 09:32 PM ET (US) Just sold our 1985 Sport 13 a few months ago. We had owned it for 5 years and it was bittersweet the day the new owner pulled it away. On the flip side, we have a 1987 Montauk that our daughter grew up on, (she's almost 21 now), and we have used and enjoyed this Montauk more than I can convey. My daughter and wife continually make it clear that the Montauk must never be for sale. Also have a 1979 Sport 15 restoration going on that helps to ease the pain from selling the 13.
Whaler_bob	posted 08-01-2011 11:56 AM ET (US) When I was a teenager we had a 13' for "us kids", when my brother got his first "real job" after college he bought a brand new Montauk with a 90HP Johnson. So for a few years we had both the 13' and the Montauk. He kind of outgrew the Montauk and bought a Outrage. So we still had the 13' and now an Outrage too. When I bought my own home and had kids- I purchased a 13'to take the kids tubing, etc. Then I bought a Montauk, so we had both for a couple years. Sadly, the kids outgrew the 13' and the family outgrew the Montauk- so both got sold. I like my current boat (Grady Tournament 192) because of it's overall roominess and seating capacity of 8 persons... but I really miss the handling and lightweight performance of my Montauk! I believe there's another Whaler somewhere out there right now that will someday be in my driveway, so y'all take good care of your Whalers for me... ;-)
cc378	posted 08-01-2011 02:39 PM ET (US) I have a 1972 13, a 1972 11.5 and a1988 Outrage 20 with Whalerdrive. You have to love classic Whalers!
leadsled	posted 08-01-2011 03:02 PM ET (US) 1968 sport 13 to get to the mooring. 1977 custom 21 low profile fishing machine that makes over 100 trips out of the harbor every year. 1973 custom 16 used for trailering down the cape. 1969 Katama just repowered and boy is it a fun ride. 1967 sport 13 just bought,near mint but needs a new interior. Does anybody want a very clean Katama with 36 hours on the engine. It's too nice for me and has no bottom paint so it can't be left in the water.
BobL	posted 08-01-2011 08:57 PM ET (US) My 1987 15’ is the Whaler I will never sell but I’m less than a couple weeks away from finishing my 13’ Sport restoration. Can’t wait to try it. Just mounted the engine so I’m close to a launch date. If I like the 13 maybe that will go on the “never sell” list too.
martyn1075	posted 08-01-2011 09:03 PM ET (US) I do not have a second whaler but have a bad feeling I will eventually find one and won't be able to to resist. Time really just gets in the way oh right and budget.
mdono	posted 08-02-2011 12:23 AM ET (US) My little boat is a 1973 13'er with a Merc. 40. Wife won't allow me to sell. The flagship is a Grady White 193. Wives like windshields so I am told. Recently aquired a 1986 15'er. Slowly collecting parts needed for custom hot rod resto. Meanwhile, the hull is drying out in the (hot) sun.
martyn1075	posted 08-02-2011 01:01 AM ET (US) They also like porta potties and then never really use them.
goldstem	posted 08-03-2011 02:31 PM ET (US) we have a 77 13. also had a dumptruck 21 outrage that we sold last year. it wasn't getting used unfortunately. Still have a harpoon 5.2, so we're still a multi-whaler family.
pcrussell50	posted 08-03-2011 02:55 PM ET (US) Bigger boat not getting used as much... that's just the thing, see. With my 13, I could go through most of the day, not even considering going boating, then on a whim, I could spin the boat around in the driveway, hoist it onto the hitch, by hand, and be on the water in 15 minutes. Even with the "little" 17, it's quite a bit more of an ordeal to get going on a whim. -Peter
jharrell	posted 08-03-2011 03:13 PM ET (US) I too upgraded from a 13 to a 17 and kept the 13 for a while. I found that while the 13 was easier to move around by hand and hookup and go, the 17 can still be man handled can go almost as shallow, but has so much more room and is so much more capable/comfortable, that keeping the 13 just wasn't worth it. I ended up selling the 13 to reclaim driveway space and put some more cash back into the 17. I've got my trailer in perfect shape so it's really no more effort to go hook up the Montauk and put it in the water than the 13 now. Both are great boats, anything over a 17 and it would exceed moving it around by hand, and complicate trailering and shallow water navigation more than I want for my purposes. Although an Outrage 18 or 22 is very tempting.
pcrussell50	posted 08-03-2011 03:35 PM ET (US) I wonder if I need to mo e the axle forward on my 17's trailer to reduce some tongue weight? -Peter
jharrell	posted 08-03-2011 05:36 PM ET (US) I can help to have the weight balanced further back to make the tongue lighter for moving around. My Montauk trailer actually has an extremely short tongue with the weight very far forward allowing it to fit in the garage, making it impossible to lift by hand. Instead I have a really good A frame wheel jack built in that spins and pivots, raises and lowers well. So when moving by hand it's on three wheels not two like my 13.
pcrussell50	posted 08-03-2011 05:48 PM ET (US) J, Sounds neato. Bear with me being a new boater and all, but could you provide a link to what it is you are talking about. It may become mandatory for me. Is this a jack that stays on the trailer? Mine has an extra-long tongue for easier towing and launching... per the previous owner. -Peter
Tohsgib	posted 08-03-2011 07:56 PM ET (US) You NEED a tongue jack on a 17' unless you are very strong or can turn green and your shirts rips open, etc. Wally Wor;d, Harbor Freight, etc have cheap jacks for under $30. I have bought the better jacks and they rust out or break just as fast so I go with the $25 ones. They mount on the tongue and have a wheel that pivots like a shopping cart. Once on the ball you pull out a pin and slide it so it is parallel with the tongue.
Tohsgib	posted 08-03-2011 08:00 PM ET (US) K-Fart http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_00902854000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2& blockType=G2
pcrussell50	posted 08-03-2011 08:11 PM ET (US) LOL, I know what an ordinary tongue jack is. I have one. I thought JHarrell, was describing something more. Especially when he used the term A-frame. -Peter
jharrell	posted 08-03-2011 08:28 PM ET (US) This is the jack I have on mine, has a wheel attachment that can be taken off, got it at northern tool: http://www.bulldogproducts.net/content/products.aspx?lvl=3& parentid=7500&catID=7520&part=155032 The A-frame is just it's mounting where the I-beam's come together. It does seem stiffer and the wheel is higher quality than most folding jack's I have seen. Either way there a varying quality of jack with wheels, beefier jack's with better wheel flex less and roll better in the driveway making things much easier, don't skimp.
Mumbo Jumbo	posted 08-04-2011 12:33 AM ET (US) I have a 1972 13'/25 Yamaha 4s, a 1964 Eastport/90 Yamaha 2s, and a 1989 18 Outrage/150 Yamaha 2s. The 13 is my favorite Whaler; I've had a 13 Whaler since 1961 when I bought one new from a dealer who was having trouble selling Whalers. I was to poor to by an engine at the time and had to wait awhile to save enough to buy a 9.8 Mercury. Here is a link to my current 13: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v372/Buckra/Boats/13%20Whaler/ I replaced the Pate tank in 2010 with a Moeller of similar dimensions.
gvisko	posted 08-04-2011 08:54 PM ET (US) 1989 13' gls and a 1994 24' outrage with twin e-tecs TOMAHAWK
Stevebaz	posted 08-05-2011 01:08 PM ET (US) 11, 13, 17 call it 2 foot itis. A communicable disease spread by close contact with Whalers.