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TommyWhaler posted 09-17-2011 07:18 PM ET (US)
A post a while back asked if anyone would buy a I think 1972 21' Outrage if it were made new today. [Posting the url of a video on another website that talks about a non-Boston Whaler boat] is not in direct response to that. I thought [the video about the non-Boston Whaler boat] was interesting enough to share. To see if they sell out will be interesting.
jimh posted 09-17-2011 07:34 PM ET (US)
The Chris Craft Silver Bullet 20 Limited Edition is a nice boat, but I suspect it costs about twenty times more than a used classic Boston Whaler in nice condition. I don't think it is a comparable boat in any way.
fishgutz posted 09-18-2011 12:29 PM ET (US)
If Whaler reintroduced the Classic 15. I think it would sell like hotcakes. I know I'd buy one. Especially if it could be configured with different interiors as you could get over the years. The latest issue of Boating magazine has an article "Retro Revival-Big Fun in Little Boats". Glastron just came out with its new retro version of the old GT150. Its the new GTR160. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150748398475381.723426. 424272680380&type=1 And of course Donzi has made the same Sweet 16 since 1964. I love the retro boats. That Chris Craft is beautiful.
WT posted 09-18-2011 12:59 PM ET (US)
That Chris Craft is a nice boat but where's the fish box? ;-)
Tohsgib posted 09-18-2011 01:18 PM ET (US)
The "Sweet 16" Donzi has not been made since 2009 model year along with the 18 & 22 classics. These are custom order only and the 16 is roughly $60k, the 22 is $90k and the 18 falls in between. This is what my local dealer told me but I have not confirmed. The Chris Craft as shown is $86k as well...only 42 of the 108 made are left. It also comes with a 200hp diesel...COOL! Donzi made a 22 classic w/315 Yanmar. I saw it at a fishing tournament on display. Never seen one for sale though.
Tohsgib posted 09-18-2011 01:22 PM ET (US)
Lastly...I remember seeing the '98 Anniversary 13' at the NY boat show and it was just over $15k with a stinking 30hp 2 stroke. I can not even imagine what a classic 15' would cost with a 70hp modern engine...$30k+ I would guess. I doubt anyone here would pony up for one.
lizard posted 09-19-2011 11:30 AM ET (US)
That Chris Craft is a nice looking ride, though I can't imagine maintaining leather in a marine environment. It is out of any price range I could think of.
I just "built" on Outrage 190 on the Whaler site. I took standard equipment and added a sun top, VHF, bow cushions and a galvanized trailer. No other electronics or packages. The cost was $52,303.18. Wow. If I outfitted it with a GPS/sounder, trim tabs and hydraulic steering, it comes to $57,205.18. I would consider this equipped, but there are certainly more options I would want.
So if Whaler made a classic Outrage and it was $70,000, would it sell? I believe that it would, if the ones they are selling now are almost $60,000. Of course, they would have to offer power of choice to command that money.
prj posted 09-19-2011 12:31 PM ET (US)
I believe the narrator used the term "ultra-leather" which could be more accurately described as "vinyl".
Tohsgib posted 09-19-2011 12:44 PM ET (US)
Leather would not hold up well to water. Other than that it should be just fine but I think prj is correct.
Owtrayj25 posted 09-19-2011 01:31 PM ET (US)

quote:
So if Whaler made a classic Outrage and it was $70,000, would it sell? I believe that it would, if the ones they are selling now are almost $60,000. Of course, they would have to offer power of choice to command that money.
Isn't that what's called a Guardian? Brunswick will be happy to build you one in 22', 25' & 27' probably ranging from mid/upper 5 figures to low 6 figures for the 27. Don't know if too many of them are flying off the shelf though.
prj posted 09-19-2011 01:40 PM ET (US)
I'm not at all certain that the Brunswick Commercial Group makes many of those classic Outrage models any longer. It seems those molds have been or are being worn out and retired. I'd check the website prior to asserting their availability.

pcrussell50 posted 09-19-2011 01:42 PM ET (US)
Cute boat. Would be cuter if it was an outboard though. Are there any pics of the underside of the hull? Does it have a pad?
-Peter
Tohsgib posted 09-19-2011 01:55 PM ET (US)
Most who buy that boat will have T/T painted on the side.
Owtrayj25 posted 09-19-2011 02:20 PM ET (US)
Then their website is very outdated. A few clicks of the mouse and you can build your own....
http://www.brunswickcgp.com/boat/22-guardian/
pcrussell50 posted 09-19-2011 02:28 PM ET (US)
The first pic in the 17 Guardian slide show is a great shot of my 17 Alert, (a classic that slipped in by mistake?). I want to try to save that pic, but not sure how.
-Peter
prj posted 09-19-2011 02:29 PM ET (US)
You are correct, Owtrayj, it appears that the classic 17 and 18 are gone but, as you stated, the 22, 25 and 27 remain available from BCG.
lizard posted 09-19-2011 04:25 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I was not talking about building a current day Guardian, I was talking about building a "classic" Whaler, like an 18 Outrage, and furnish it with teak, etc. as Chris Craft has done. Going back to a time, where fit and finish mattered, as exampled by the inside of the engine compartment on the Chris Craft.
hauptjm posted 09-20-2011 01:22 PM ET (US)
The Chris Craft is ok, but I think this is where Whaler may have treaded: http://www.hinckleyyachts.com/Jetboats/t29c/t29c_gallery.aspx
lizard posted 09-20-2011 03:49 PM ET (US)
Here is a small boat builder in CT, his wife is a lifelong friend.
http://www.destinoyachts.com/Destino-20.html
Here is what the boat goes for:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2010/Custom-Destino-20-2121399/Branford/ CT/United-States
From an email I received:
"Destino Yachts was honored by winning best power boat in the Newport International Boat Show in the category of Newport for new products, and we are over the moon."
While this boat is well out of the price range, for most of us here, it would suggest that there is an audience for people who want "old school" class, design, etc. I truly wish that Boston Whaler would step back to its roots and WOW us.
Buckda posted 09-20-2011 05:55 PM ET (US)
I think the boating industry has lost touch with an important market of Americans with diminished funds/discretion for on-the-water entertainment. The trend in fiberglass boat building is bigger and more expensive, however, I believe there is a significant market that wants to get on the water in an attractive and functional boat, but just doesn't have the means. Whaler used to cater to a portion of that audience by making and advertising the versatility of their rugged boats. Nowadays, they're trending to "Purpose-built" machines, and the price continues to outrun inflation and the size of the average citizen's wallet.
Not my company, so not my decision....but I do think there is a market opportunity for a downtrodden industry to find and exploit a niche for a reasonable profit. Americans need some good news and good times that they can afford.
I guess that's what the used and repower market is for, huh?
pcrussell50 posted 09-20-2011 06:54 PM ET (US)

quote:
I think the boating industry has lost touch with an important market of Americans with diminished funds/discretion for on-the-water entertainment.
So have the outboard motor manufacturers, but it hasn't stopped some boaters from breathlessly squandering $10,000 or more on a quiet, smoke-free idle... Admittedly, that money does buy freedom from having to understand the whys and wherefores of a choke... pretty nice, but too late for me... as a kid in the 80's doing lawn chores, I already learned those things. So dropping that kind of coin so I don't have to choke a cold motor is not a reasonable deal... to me.
-Peter

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Author	Topic: Non-Boston Whaler Boat: Chris Craft Silver Bullet
TommyWhaler	posted 09-17-2011 07:18 PM ET (US) A post a while back asked if anyone would buy a I think 1972 21' Outrage if it were made new today. [Posting the url of a video on another website that talks about a non-Boston Whaler boat] is not in direct response to that. I thought [the video about the non-Boston Whaler boat] was interesting enough to share. To see if they sell out will be interesting.
jimh	posted 09-17-2011 07:34 PM ET (US) The Chris Craft Silver Bullet 20 Limited Edition is a nice boat, but I suspect it costs about twenty times more than a used classic Boston Whaler in nice condition. I don't think it is a comparable boat in any way.
fishgutz	posted 09-18-2011 12:29 PM ET (US) If Whaler reintroduced the Classic 15. I think it would sell like hotcakes. I know I'd buy one. Especially if it could be configured with different interiors as you could get over the years. The latest issue of Boating magazine has an article "Retro Revival-Big Fun in Little Boats". Glastron just came out with its new retro version of the old GT150. Its the new GTR160. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150748398475381.723426. 424272680380&type=1 And of course Donzi has made the same Sweet 16 since 1964. I love the retro boats. That Chris Craft is beautiful.
WT	posted 09-18-2011 12:59 PM ET (US) That Chris Craft is a nice boat but where's the fish box? ;-)
Tohsgib	posted 09-18-2011 01:18 PM ET (US) The "Sweet 16" Donzi has not been made since 2009 model year along with the 18 & 22 classics. These are custom order only and the 16 is roughly $60k, the 22 is $90k and the 18 falls in between. This is what my local dealer told me but I have not confirmed. The Chris Craft as shown is $86k as well...only 42 of the 108 made are left. It also comes with a 200hp diesel...COOL! Donzi made a 22 classic w/315 Yanmar. I saw it at a fishing tournament on display. Never seen one for sale though.
Tohsgib	posted 09-18-2011 01:22 PM ET (US) Lastly...I remember seeing the '98 Anniversary 13' at the NY boat show and it was just over $15k with a stinking 30hp 2 stroke. I can not even imagine what a classic 15' would cost with a 70hp modern engine...$30k+ I would guess. I doubt anyone here would pony up for one.
lizard	posted 09-19-2011 11:30 AM ET (US) That Chris Craft is a nice looking ride, though I can't imagine maintaining leather in a marine environment. It is out of any price range I could think of. I just "built" on Outrage 190 on the Whaler site. I took standard equipment and added a sun top, VHF, bow cushions and a galvanized trailer. No other electronics or packages. The cost was $52,303.18. Wow. If I outfitted it with a GPS/sounder, trim tabs and hydraulic steering, it comes to $57,205.18. I would consider this equipped, but there are certainly more options I would want. So if Whaler made a classic Outrage and it was $70,000, would it sell? I believe that it would, if the ones they are selling now are almost $60,000. Of course, they would have to offer power of choice to command that money.
prj	posted 09-19-2011 12:31 PM ET (US) I believe the narrator used the term "ultra-leather" which could be more accurately described as "vinyl".
Tohsgib	posted 09-19-2011 12:44 PM ET (US) Leather would not hold up well to water. Other than that it should be just fine but I think prj is correct.
Owtrayj25	posted 09-19-2011 01:31 PM ET (US) quote: So if Whaler made a classic Outrage and it was $70,000, would it sell? I believe that it would, if the ones they are selling now are almost $60,000. Of course, they would have to offer power of choice to command that money. Isn't that what's called a Guardian? Brunswick will be happy to build you one in 22', 25' & 27' probably ranging from mid/upper 5 figures to low 6 figures for the 27. Don't know if too many of them are flying off the shelf though.
prj	posted 09-19-2011 01:40 PM ET (US) I'm not at all certain that the Brunswick Commercial Group makes many of those classic Outrage models any longer. It seems those molds have been or are being worn out and retired. I'd check the website prior to asserting their availability.
pcrussell50	posted 09-19-2011 01:42 PM ET (US) Cute boat. Would be cuter if it was an outboard though. Are there any pics of the underside of the hull? Does it have a pad? -Peter
Tohsgib	posted 09-19-2011 01:55 PM ET (US) Most who buy that boat will have T/T painted on the side.
Owtrayj25	posted 09-19-2011 02:20 PM ET (US) Then their website is very outdated. A few clicks of the mouse and you can build your own.... http://www.brunswickcgp.com/boat/22-guardian/
pcrussell50	posted 09-19-2011 02:28 PM ET (US) The first pic in the 17 Guardian slide show is a great shot of my 17 Alert, (a classic that slipped in by mistake?). I want to try to save that pic, but not sure how. -Peter
prj	posted 09-19-2011 02:29 PM ET (US) You are correct, Owtrayj, it appears that the classic 17 and 18 are gone but, as you stated, the 22, 25 and 27 remain available from BCG.
lizard	posted 09-19-2011 04:25 PM ET (US) Sorry, I was not talking about building a current day Guardian, I was talking about building a "classic" Whaler, like an 18 Outrage, and furnish it with teak, etc. as Chris Craft has done. Going back to a time, where fit and finish mattered, as exampled by the inside of the engine compartment on the Chris Craft.
hauptjm	posted 09-20-2011 01:22 PM ET (US) The Chris Craft is ok, but I think this is where Whaler may have treaded: http://www.hinckleyyachts.com/Jetboats/t29c/t29c_gallery.aspx
lizard	posted 09-20-2011 03:49 PM ET (US) Here is a small boat builder in CT, his wife is a lifelong friend. http://www.destinoyachts.com/Destino-20.html Here is what the boat goes for: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2010/Custom-Destino-20-2121399/Branford/ CT/United-States From an email I received: "Destino Yachts was honored by winning best power boat in the Newport International Boat Show in the category of Newport for new products, and we are over the moon." While this boat is well out of the price range, for most of us here, it would suggest that there is an audience for people who want "old school" class, design, etc. I truly wish that Boston Whaler would step back to its roots and WOW us.
Buckda	posted 09-20-2011 05:55 PM ET (US) I think the boating industry has lost touch with an important market of Americans with diminished funds/discretion for on-the-water entertainment. The trend in fiberglass boat building is bigger and more expensive, however, I believe there is a significant market that wants to get on the water in an attractive and functional boat, but just doesn't have the means. Whaler used to cater to a portion of that audience by making and advertising the versatility of their rugged boats. Nowadays, they're trending to "Purpose-built" machines, and the price continues to outrun inflation and the size of the average citizen's wallet. Not my company, so not my decision....but I do think there is a market opportunity for a downtrodden industry to find and exploit a niche for a reasonable profit. Americans need some good news and good times that they can afford. I guess that's what the used and repower market is for, huh?
pcrussell50	posted 09-20-2011 06:54 PM ET (US) quote: I think the boating industry has lost touch with an important market of Americans with diminished funds/discretion for on-the-water entertainment. So have the outboard motor manufacturers, but it hasn't stopped some boaters from breathlessly squandering $10,000 or more on a quiet, smoke-free idle... Admittedly, that money does buy freedom from having to understand the whys and wherefores of a choke... pretty nice, but too late for me... as a kid in the 80's doing lawn chores, I already learned those things. So dropping that kind of coin so I don't have to choke a cold motor is not a reasonable deal... to me. -Peter