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| Author | Topic: Cruise Ship COSTA CONCORDIA Capsizes |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-14-2012 09:35 AM ET (US)  
[The capsize of the cruise ship COSTA CONCORDIA is] unbelievable, in this day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sW8HjB2DC5E#! Here's an article. |
| onlyawhaler |
posted 01-14-2012 02:21 PM ET (US)
Very sad, the loss of life. It would seem in this day these type of ships would be GPS driven and systems would automatically warn or steer away from reefs and known obstructions Onlyawhaler |
| L H G |
posted 01-14-2012 04:28 PM ET (US)
Looking at the photos, and where the ship rests, an incident like that could only be considered gross negligence and incompetence. The report says this ship makes the identical cruise every week, so someone at the hlm at to know where they are going! The Captain is being detained. Wonder why! Substance abuse, or some kind of "monkey business" must be the only answer. Failure of the multiple, redundant instrument systems these ships carry won't be the answer. Even with total failure of ALL instruments, what has happened to old fashioned paper chart navigation skill as a last resort, just like all of us do? Even the Titanic hit an unknown FLOATING iceberg in deep water, with ancient navigation equipment when compared to today's technology. |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-14-2012 04:43 PM ET (US)
Larry, The thing that I found most striking is that she rolled over, or would have in deeper water. What happened to closing watertight doors? The compartmentation on these ships is supposed to be designed to keep them level if there is a breach in the hull, so they can launch the lifeboats. Also, this is not an ocean liner, it's a cruise ship which is essentially a barge with a hotel built on top of it. |
| L H G |
posted 01-14-2012 05:08 PM ET (US)
Dave - I've always thought those floating monstrosities looked top heavy, and horribly unseaworthy, and I guess they are. It tipped over evidently because the Captain simply grounded it. Did you notice that all of this is in the shadow of a huge lighthouse! |
| jimh |
posted 01-14-2012 05:36 PM ET (US)
Best images are here: https://plus.google.com/photos/115893768571611039178/albums/ 5697479271862536705 The damage is clearly shown beginning about image [65]. |
| jimh |
posted 01-14-2012 05:37 PM ET (US)
Do not draw any conclusion on "where the ship rests". The captain drove the ship into shallow water near the shore to make the evacuation easier. |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-14-2012 05:47 PM ET (US)
The captain said he was in waters that the charts indicated to be clear. After the collision he drove closer to shore to make the evacuation easier. My question still stands, how come she rolled over? Passenger reports indicate that she began to list immediately to the point that they could not launch lifeboats. This one is going to be very interesting to follow. |
| David Pendleton |
posted 01-14-2012 07:04 PM ET (US)
I've seen a lot of shipwreck pictures, but I have never seen a picture of ship with a boulder the size of a house protruding from the its hull... |
| wezie |
posted 01-14-2012 08:59 PM ET (US)
We have not seen the other side. They usually settle on the damaged side. Since he drove his ship into the shore to get into shallower water, maybe this rock and it's hole was caused during the intentional grounding. It is possible that he tore more of the starboard side out of her in the first grounding, and she settled on that side. Is it possible that there is an even greater "captains' rock" on the other side? |
| egres |
posted 01-15-2012 02:53 AM ET (US)
In my thinking the main reason for being at the wheel and under way, aiming for shore would indicate that I am presently taking on a serious amount of water. That, or that while transferring fluids from my ballast and containment tanks, the buoyancy of the hull would have been compromised. Let's recall the original PA announcement stating "Just a momentary technical problem" instead of listing without recovery and as a last ditch effort, heading for a sand bar would seem to be a viable solution. Looking at the point shown by the starboard side will leave no doubt that the ship; hoping to find a cushion y bed of sand; met in its way some serious rocky crags. This is, in opinion a chain of events instead of a single one. I can see this scenario led by human error being a rather likely one. |
| Mambo Minnow |
posted 01-15-2012 10:28 AM ET (US)
I suspect this incident has more in common with the Exxon Valdez than the Titanic. What is it with Italian liners...Achille Lauro, Andrea Doria, etc. I'm half-Italian and even I notice the trend <lol>! You could not pay me to take a cruise out of Italy. |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-15-2012 10:49 AM ET (US)
Are there any naval architects or salvors in our community? Though I'm wandering away from Whalerdom, I can't see how they are going to dewater, let alone right that ship. |
| jimh |
posted 01-15-2012 11:10 AM ET (US)
There is now speculation by one expert--Malcolm Latarche, editor of the global shipping magazine IHS Fairplay Solutions--that the COSTA CONCORDIA lost electrical power in a manner similar to the incident on the QUEEN MARY 2. The QM2 lost electrical power when an explosion occurred in a portion of the high-voltage electrical distribution circuitry known as the harmonic filter. Here is the article in which the speculation is made: The loss of electrical power on the QM2 was the topic of a prior discussion in SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/003065.html That article contains a link to an accident investigation report. The force of the explosion on the QM2 of just a single capacitor in the harmonic filter was sufficient to cause considerable damage to the room in which it was housed. There is further speculation that without electrical power the COSTA CONCORDIA was adrift and went onto a rock or shoal, damaging the hull. Electrical power was clearly restored, because the ship then navigated to the port where it grounded and capsized. |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-15-2012 12:31 PM ET (US)
This is an interesting note I found: At 17:48 UTC La Repubblica reported that the Captain had stated that they were 300 metres (330 yd) from the rocks (i.e. about the length of the vessel) and that they hit a rock that was not marked on nautical charts. This reef was about 800 metres (870 yd) south of the entrance to the harbour of Giglio. The vessel continued on for approximately another 1,000 metres (1,100 yd) until just north of the harbour entrance. The vessel then turned in an attempt to get close to the harbour. This turn shifted the centre of gravity to the starboard side of the ship, and she listed over to that side initially by about 20°, finally coming to rest at an angle of heel of about 80°. The ship was headed north when she hit the rocks but came to rest with her bow headed south. Note the distances mentioned in this report, that tight turn could explain why the hull breach, on the port side, is above water. A note on Wikipedia says the rumor is she's a constructive total loss. |
| David Pendleton |
posted 01-15-2012 02:51 PM ET (US)
There is more information and some pretty stunning pictures here: |
| jimh |
posted 01-15-2012 03:47 PM ET (US)
We sailed on the Norwegian Cruise Lines S.S. NORWAY about ten years ago. We picked her because of historical significance, as she was formerly the S.S. FRANCE, the last of the trans-Atlantic liners. A few months after we sailed on the NORWAY there was a terrible explosion of her steam plant and more than a dozen of the crew were injured or killed. The NORWAY never sailed again and was towed off, eventually to be scrapped out, although her hull was completely intact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_France_(1961) If the COSTA CONCORDIA is to be scrapped out, it looks like it will be one helluva project to take place in her current position. Ship breakers are usually in India and work with very low-cost labor. Cutting up a modern ship like COSTA CONCORDIA on a resort island in the Mediterranean will be a lot more expensive than doing it on the beach in some dirt-poor region of the third world. Reports say the cruise line is insured for $3-billion against claims from passengers. That might be some payout. |
| L H G |
posted 01-15-2012 04:14 PM ET (US)
I have picked up two bits of information. The ship cost $600,000,000., so that would be quite an insured total loss, if that is what is determined. It is actually owned by Carnival Lines and is only about 4 years old. A Naval Architect was saying that the exposed side hull damage could be temporarily repaired, then the ship pumped out, then righted and towed in for rebuilding. I guess that assumes there is no hull breach on the downward side currently submerged. But then the question remains, if repaired will anybody ever cruise on it again? It could be unmarketable. |
| jimh |
posted 01-15-2012 05:37 PM ET (US)
At $600,000,000 that would be a rather big payout for the insurers. |
| fno |
posted 01-15-2012 05:46 PM ET (US)
Much of this assumes that the ship will not slide off the rocks into 250 plus feet of water. Then it will become a very interesting if not morbid dive site in Italy. |
| jimh |
posted 01-15-2012 06:56 PM ET (US)
It should also be mentioned that this marine casualty occurred on Friday the 13th. The voyage also began on a Friday. Mariners have long believed that beginning a voyage on a Friday was bad luck. Add Friday the 13th and you are in for some bad omens. |
| jimp |
posted 01-15-2012 07:01 PM ET (US)
There will be lots of speculation and back seat piloting on this. Here's an interesting link and if she actually followed this track between the point and the island in the second picture... The animation in the 5th is interesting too. http://gcaptain.com/cruise-ship-costa-concordia-sinks/?37456 JimP |
| David Pendleton |
posted 01-15-2012 07:13 PM ET (US)
A Middle-Eastern news organization is reporting this might have been the result of a stunt cruise ships in the area engage in: |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 01-15-2012 10:07 PM ET (US)
"But then the question remains, if repaired will anybody ever cruise on it again? It could be unmarketable"
Basically, if I were to guess, it'll be a 'scrap in place' salvage job. It's going to take months, mark my words.
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| jimp |
posted 01-15-2012 10:57 PM ET (US)
Dave - I'll go the other way and think she will sail again. Having hopes in the tug "Foundation Franklin" (Mowat's book "Gray Seas Under") and the ability of salvors. But the "Franklin" is gone and there are A LOT of portholes. Would people sail on her again - sure, because they wouldn't know. But I think you're right. A sad day for mariners and especially sad for the missing and deceased. Can't get over that. JimP |
| elaelap |
posted 01-15-2012 11:29 PM ET (US)
One additional recovery/salvage problem comes to mind: the Mediterranean has virtually NO tides (actually it has very small tidal amplitudes measured in centimeters). Thus, running aground in the Med is like running aground in more usual tidal areas at the height of the flow, the very worst grounding situation to find oneself in no matter the size of one's vessel. Thanks to all who have posted the detailed reports and chilling photographs and videos. I haven't seen any reports so far concerning fuel leakage and potential environmental damage. Poor Tuscany -- violent flooding hit the coast toward the end of this past summer, destroying many coastal and valley towns and villages. Now this. Tony |
| WT |
posted 01-16-2012 01:16 AM ET (US)
Any mention if alcohol was involved? :-) The captain was at dinner, then he wasn't. Which one is it? |
| WT |
posted 01-16-2012 01:32 AM ET (US)
I may but some puts on AON. Looks like they are the insurance brokers for Carnival. Warren |
| jimh |
posted 01-16-2012 03:25 PM ET (US)
While most concern is still on rescue or recovery of passengers, the next step will be dealing with the huge amount of fuel on the COSTA CONCORDIA. Since she just began her voyage, it is reasonable to assume her fuel tanks were full. So far the fuel tanks are intact and do not appear to be leaking, but that condition cannot be expected to last forever. |
| jimp |
posted 01-16-2012 04:18 PM ET (US)
On fuel aboard I've read 2,300 to 3,200 tons, and also 500,000 gallons. I haven't read of any of the fuel getting out. |
| davej14 |
posted 01-16-2012 05:45 PM ET (US)
What kind of captain would do a "fly by" for the benefit of the locals that would put his passengers and a $600M ship at risk and then leave them stranded ?? This guy should never have been on the bridge !! They are just starting to deal with the problem of offloading the fuel. Without power and in a cold climate will it even be possible to pump it out ? I'm not familiar with the type of fuel that this ship wuold use but some types really gel when chilled. Still 6 persons unaccounted for, doesn't look good. |
| elaelap |
posted 01-16-2012 10:46 PM ET (US)
For those who haven't yet, this might be the perfect time to read Joseph Conrad's 'Lord Jim.' Jim, an idealistic young third mate, panics and joins the other European officers as they abandon a sinking ship carrying Muslim pilgrims to Jedda. The ship doesn't actually sink, Jim and the other officers lose their licenses, and Jim spends the rest of his life attempting to expiate his cowardice and regain his self respect. Many critics consider this Conrad's finest novel. Tony |
| jimp |
posted 01-17-2012 11:15 AM ET (US)
Tony - Great recommendation. Good story. |
| egres |
posted 01-17-2012 11:17 AM ET (US)
The morning update goes on to state the the Captain;now under arrest;for manslaughter, Was simply aiming to get close enough to shore to salute a friend.. Unless under the influence,this kind of reasoning does seem unlikely to me. There will be plenty of speculations about who were all the crew members and their 5 minutes of fame leading to the bottom line on this arresting story. Fells like a bad script out of a B movie. |
| andrey320 |
posted 01-17-2012 11:21 AM ET (US)
Definitely sounds like a movie… ROME (Reuters) - The Italian coast guard angrily ordered the captain of the capsized Italian cruise ship to go back aboard to oversee the evacuation, but he stalled, according to an apparent recording of their radio exchange played on national television…. As translated by Reuters, the entire conversation went as follows: Coast Guard: Hello. Captain: Good evening, chief. Coast Guard: Listen, this is De Falco from Livorno. Am I speaking with the captain? Captain: Good evening, Chief De Falco. Coast Guard: Tell me your name, please. Captain: I am Captain Schettino, chief. Coast Guard: Schettino? Captain: Yes. Coast Guard: Listen, Schettino. There are people trapped on board. Now, you go with your lifeboat. Under the bow of the ship, on the right side, there is a ladder. You climb on that ladder and go on board the ship. Go on board the ship and get back to me and tell me how many people are there. Is that clear. I am recording this conversation, Captain Schettino. (Captain tries to speak but Coast Guard can't hear him clearly. Voices in the Coast Guard room.) Coast Guard: Speak up! (captain tries to speak) Captain, put your hand over the microphone and speak in a louder voice! Captain: At this moment the ship is listing. Coast Guard: There are people who are coming down the ladder on the bow. Go back in the opposite direction, get back on the ship, and tell me how many people there are and what they have on board. Tell me if there are children, women and what type of help they need. And you tell me the number of each of these categories. Is that clear? Listen Schettino, perhaps you have saved yourself from the sea but I will make you look very bad. I will make you pay for this. Dammit, go back on board! (Noise can be heard in the background. Apparently other Coast Guard officers are shouting to each other in the same room about "the ship, the ship") Captain: Please ... Coast Guard: There is no 'please' about it. Get back on board. Assure me you are going back on board! Captain: I'm in a lifeboat, I am under here. I am not going anywhere. I am here. Coast Guard: What are you doing, captain? Captain: I am here to coordinate the rescue... Coast Guard (interrupting): What are you coordinating there! Get on board! Coordinate the rescue from on board! Are you refusing? Captain: No, I am not refusing. Coast Guard: Are you refusing to go aboard, captain? Tell me the reason why you are not going back on board. Captain: (inaudible)... there is a another lifeboat... Coast Guard (interrupting, yelling): You get back on board! That is an order! There is nothing else for you to consider. You have sounded the "Abandon Ship." Now I am giving the orders. Get back on board. Is that clear? Don't you hear me? http://news.yahoo.com/ coast-guard-ordered-ship-captain-back-board-124134509.html |
| L H G |
posted 01-17-2012 03:30 PM ET (US)
It appears there are no "clean and publishable" choice of words one could use to describe that fellow and his judgement as a Captain over $600 million worth of ship and 4200 lives of pasengers and crew. The whole situation is absolutely appalling. I can't figure out why anyone would want to cruise the Northern Meditteranean in winter anyway. |
| martyn1075 |
posted 01-17-2012 03:43 PM ET (US)
The sharks will figure this one out. Too much is at risk especially considering 600 mill is involved and casualties as well. The truth is there somewhere and its probably quite easy its just getting it out of the individuals that know and have everything to lose. |
| L H G |
posted 01-17-2012 04:31 PM ET (US)
I did a Google search for "Costa Concordia Route Map" and the first result says: "Cruise Ships at Costa Cruise. Experience the Costa Concordia cruise ship for a cruise vacation you will never forget." That's what you call truly honest advertizing. |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-17-2012 05:11 PM ET (US)
I hadn't seen this before, the AIS track for the whole episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4pVWYeplU&feature=player_embedded |
| davej14 |
posted 01-17-2012 08:14 PM ET (US)
That track really shows the course deviation assuming he should have been centered between the island and the mainland. I don't believe he was showing off for the locals or a crew member, a girlfriend is more likely. |
| Tom Hemphill |
posted 01-17-2012 08:30 PM ET (US)
In 2009, while participating in a Boston Whaler rendezvous, I passed by the spot in the Hudson River where Captain Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger was forced to ditch his aircraft five months previous. What an inspirational story of success that was! We would be fortunate indeed if every ship's captain possessed even a portion of his skill, integrity and compassion. |
| jimh |
posted 01-17-2012 11:53 PM ET (US)
That is an excellent video, albeit a bit small. It was from an AIS shore station receiver! Wow, watch for attempts to suppress AIS information after this. We used to have to wait six months to get the data out of the "black box" and now we have ship spotters with AIS receivers that have the whole track of the vessel recorded. Amazing. |
| davej14 |
posted 01-18-2012 10:27 AM ET (US)
I assume that the Costa Concordia should have followed the path of the vessel depicted in yellow that preceded them. It is also interesting to see the other vessels change course toward the accident site, presumably to lend aid. |
| jimh |
posted 01-18-2012 11:18 AM ET (US)
A good article about the AIS data from the cruise ship COSTA CONCORDIA is found at http://blog.geogarage.com/2012/01/italy-cruise-ship-costa-concordia.html This article notes that there is quite a gap in the AIS track data, and the gap occurs just as the ship approaches the island of Giglio, just prior to the grounding occurring. There are two possible reasons for the gap: --the receive station that recorded the data lost the signal from the ship during that period, or --the ship shut off its AIS transponder (silent mode) during that period of the missing position reports After the grounding the AIS signal resumes. If we assume that the AIS signal was being received at a shore station, it does not seem reasonable that the coverage of the shore station would have a region of poor reception right at that particular point, as there does not seem to be any obstructions between the island of Giglio and the mainland. |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-18-2012 11:38 AM ET (US)
There was a complete power failure after the collision so the AIS transmitter could had been off line. Given all the other lapses in this saga I'm not surprised such a critical system was not on an UPS. I'm really interested in the state of the watertight doors. Divers found that the doors in Sea Diamond, that went down in the Santorini caldera, were open. |
| David Pendleton |
posted 01-18-2012 12:00 PM ET (US)
Here's a short article on how the ship might be salvaged. http://news.discovery.com/earth/concordia-salvage-121701. html#mkcpgn=fbsci2 |
| jimh |
posted 01-18-2012 12:19 PM ET (US)
David--I like your theory. If the ship lost power about the time of the last AIS position report before the gap begins, it appears that the position at that time was rather far offshore. However, if the ship were making way when it lost power, it could have drifted a long way with just the momentum it had. There is no telling where it might have drifted. However, the lost-power theory is not supported by the passenger reports, which all seem to say things were normal until there was a loud bang, a groaning, and the ship changed its attitude (plates falling off table). This happened when the power was still operating. |
| southshore fisherman |
posted 01-18-2012 12:22 PM ET (US)
This would be a good time to read a story about a ship captain who chose courage over cowardice. It's a story about Henrik Kurt Carlsen who stayed on his sinking ship. Simple courage: a true story of peril on the sea
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| jimp |
posted 01-18-2012 02:33 PM ET (US)
ISBN 1400065240, 9781400065240 The 1951 story of the M/V Flying Enterprise, an old Liberty ship that took on a horrendous list. Going back to the cruise ship. She was heading in a northerly direction, now she's facing south on the rocks. When did she turn? |
| jimh |
posted 01-18-2012 03:18 PM ET (US)
The ship captain apparently ordered a tight U-turn at the last moment when it became clear the ship was sinking. The news wire services are carrying a story from Lloyd's saying that Lloyd's have their exclusive AIS vessel track data that shows the track of the COSTA CONCORDIA, both on this recent incident and in prior fly-by's where she came even closer. This AIS track data now creates more mystery about the rock shoal that was responsible for puncturing the ship. If the hazard was truly uncharted, it could be a huge refuge for the captain. For a second-hand account of the Lloyd's article see http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/18/4196360/ lloyds-list-tracking-data-shows.html |
| contender |
posted 01-18-2012 05:48 PM ET (US)
Even if the rock was uncharted, the captain still left the ship before everyone else did, basically he ran away... |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-18-2012 06:00 PM ET (US)
I saw an article, that I can't find now, that showed the actual collision occurred several miles south of the island itself. The implication is that he didn't hit Giglio, but an outcrop in the sea southeast of the island. If true, that would support his assertion that he headed to the island to facilitate the evacuation. Given the amount of traffic that goes through that area it would be extraordinary for such a hazard to be uncharted. |
| jimp |
posted 01-18-2012 06:48 PM ET (US)
The Queen Elizabeth 2 ran aground in Vineyard Sound in 1992, just north of Gay Head, Martha's Vineyard and south of Cuttyhunk. She was drawing 35-ft of water, chart said 37-ft, yet she hit. Maybe the chart was wrong, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was "uncharted", or off by two feet, or maybe at 24-knots "squat" was a factor in the shallow water. But you just don't go "joy riding" in Vineyard Sound with a 963-ft ship. Just like the 950-ft Costa Concordia zipping in 300 yards off a rocky shore. Some things are meant for Whalering, other things are left for cruise ships.
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| contender |
posted 01-18-2012 07:14 PM ET (US)
[Raised a number of questions about the ship's officers which no reader here could possibly answer.] |
| martyn1075 |
posted 01-18-2012 07:19 PM ET (US)
I find it very hard to believe that the ship hit a uncharted rock. These ships aren't on Garmin handheld GPS units they use multiple systems from state of the art Mapping devices 3D Radar/night radar and of course old fashion paper charts with compass. Its entirely possible to lose power for some reason but drifting miles to shore then hitting a rock I start thinking could the guy not call it in as emergency far before something happened? If the ship was taking on water which wiped some electrical and the captain was bolting to shore for a better chance of survival before it became swamped it might be understandable. Its just how did it take on the water in the first place? Lost of questions to ask and like I said the sharks will be asking and have this figured out. It will just likely take a year or so probably. Insurance groups families with lost ones others who are trying to sue, defense lawyers of the crew who will be under terrible pressure will all be part of a long investigation. Nobody wins here its a complete loss other then the lawyers. |
| fno |
posted 01-18-2012 07:28 PM ET (US)
My guess is that 2nd, 3rd, and the radioman were drinking Grappa while the Capitano got busted first. I would suspect that some of the crew still on board waiting for recovery may be the engineering officers and crew. They are working in a noisy, lonely area of the ship. That whole crew of officers are going to face some hard time in Italy. I understand that the rescue groups in Italy have turned to cave divers trained in underwater rescue in overhead environments have been utilized to search the ship. Smart thinking on their part. I might even have a friend doing that task. He is trained in high altitude and underwater cave rescue and recovery. |
| Lionheart |
posted 01-18-2012 08:11 PM ET (US)
On CBC Canada radio today, the lawyer representing the captain made a statement. He said the captain was on the scene of the accident at all times, and had tripped and fell into a life boat. |
| fourdfish |
posted 01-18-2012 08:58 PM ET (US)
I have been on five cruises on five different lines and was able to meet the captain and talk to him on four of them. Each captain was completely different than the next. One stood out from the rest as indifferent and detached. I did not feel much trust for his being in charge. They mirror the general population and each has his own baggage. The last cruise in Alaska was on a smaller ship which had in my opinion a very good captain with a lot of experience. He was the only one who allowed me to visit the bridge while we were in port. The cruise line had a policy of also having a local Captain aboard in all local waters. I watched this Captain guide the ship to dock. Was very impressed. The ship had five large computer screens with everything you could possibly want on them. No excuses for failure. Two backup systems and some real talent on the bridge. The captain of this ship might as well hang it up. He will spend some real time in prison and then will never captain a ship again! |
| Russ 13 |
posted 01-18-2012 09:58 PM ET (US)
Going back to the AIS [speculation], the AIS systems are supposed to be powered by the 12- or 24-volt bridge battery system, which is separate from the ship's power supply. Only the Consta-volt chargers are powered by the ship's electric plant. So IF installed properly, [the AIS transponder] and the other critical systems are separate from the ship's electric supply, and will operate for many hours independently, without ship's power. As to the four-miles off course, the bridge crew was not fixing their position, to verify their electronic chart plotters. With a breach in the hull that large, if they had not taken her into shallow water, she would be on the bottom--no foam core construction on that puppy. |
| jimh |
posted 01-18-2012 10:26 PM ET (US)
Russ--Many thanks for the information that (from your expertise in large ships) the AIS transponder would be powered from an independent power source and could not be affected by a ship-wide power loss, as has been reported to have occurred on the COSTA CONCORDIA prior to the capsize. The frequently cited AIS track data contains a large gap of missing position reports, but perhaps the Lloyd's AIS data has the ship position for those missing times. I am sure it will all come out in the end, as this incident is going to be very closely scrutinized. That there is public AIS data on the ship is quite interesting, but that there is a gap right around the most important times is frustrating. |
| andygere |
posted 01-19-2012 11:05 PM ET (US)
More photos here, courtesy of CW member Skiff for forwarding the link: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2012/01/costa_concordia_cruise_ship_ru. html |
| David Pendleton |
posted 01-19-2012 11:22 PM ET (US)
And this continues to become even more bizarre: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/19/world/europe/italy-cruise-cook/index.html |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-20-2012 08:13 AM ET (US)
Sounds like someone had her hand on the tiller and steered the captain onto the rocks... |
| Lionheart |
posted 01-20-2012 10:41 AM ET (US)
"There are 3 things I like about being on an Italian cruise ship. First, their cuisine is unsurpassed. Second, their service is superb. And then, in time of emergency, there is none of this nonsense about women and children first." – Winston Churchill |
| egres |
posted 01-20-2012 12:34 PM ET (US)
A morning update [url]http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/concordia-moves-again/16av2r83w{/url] |
| egres |
posted 01-20-2012 12:35 PM ET (US)
A morning update http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/concordia-moves-again/16av2r83w |
| Hoosier |
posted 01-21-2012 11:01 AM ET (US)
I was wandering around in Google and came across this http://www.veristar.com/content/static/veristarinfo/images/2293.4. LoadSafePresentation_En.pdf For what this SW costs I would think that Carnival would have/make this standard equipment for its ships. I'll surmise that their thinking is that for a cruise ship very voyage's loading is virtually the same and they only have to do these calculations once, whereas a cargo ship has to do it every time it sails. In the CC case they sure needed the damage control part of the package. Complacency kills. |
| Hoosier |
posted 02-27-2012 06:30 PM ET (US)
They did it again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17183134 What's not been mentioned a whole lot is that the world's premier ocean liner, The Queen Mary II, was dead in the water for the same reason, electrical system fire/failure. It seems that all these new pod propelled ships don't have the bonehead redundancy they need. |
| lizard |
posted 02-27-2012 08:35 PM ET (US)
Those waters where they are adrift are notorious for pirates. I can't believe that they have had a total loss of engine/power on two ships of that magnitude, in 6 weeks. |
| L H G |
posted 06-28-2012 03:32 PM ET (US)
Well, it appears Dave sutton was correct in saying the ship would be a total loss, and scrapped. http://www.soundingsonline.com/dispatches/288621-video-massive-salvage |
| jimh |
posted 06-28-2012 08:16 PM ET (US)
That the ship was a total loss has not been in doubt since about ten minutes after it capsized. Who would book a passage on a passenger ship that has sunk and been raised? Not I, said the little Red Hen. |
| lizard |
posted 06-29-2012 02:17 AM ET (US)
Exactly, JimH. Even if the ship were "re-branded" or sold to another entity (and I don't know what that involves). who gets on the S.S. Minnow again? In this day of internet stalking, the masking of the boat would be uncovered. Not by the hair of my chinny, chin, chin, said the little pig. |
| Whalrman |
posted 06-29-2012 09:19 AM ET (US)
The cost of "refurbishing" the vessel would have been far more than to build a new one. |
| GBayWhaler |
posted 06-29-2012 12:46 PM ET (US)
I am in full agreement- who would want to cruise on a doomed, or damned ship? This may be rumour, but I recall reading in a reputable national magazine that commercial airplanes that have been involved with accidents, have been repaired and put back into service. One example the article provided was plane that had an emergency door burst open during flight sucking some passengers and crew out the opening. That plane was repaired and back in service. Yikes, Happy fourth, and Happy Canada day to all! Stuart |
| lakeman |
posted 06-29-2012 02:25 PM ET (US)
Yes they have refurbished ships, not as bad as the Concordia, but indeed a potential disaster. Royal Carabiean's Monarch of the Seas, hit some rocks in the Caribibean, here is the official maritime report PDF. |
| gusgus |
posted 06-29-2012 03:03 PM ET (US)
All aircraft are rebuilt if the repair costs of that damage is less than replacement of the airframe. I personally know of 20 or more commercial planes which are composites of two aircraft. One in particular has the front half of one and the aft section of another. The result is interesting because the plane looks weird almost every time. Yet each one still flies. So it ain't all that bad. |
| contender |
posted 06-29-2012 03:17 PM ET (US)
In side scoop, its going to be cut up, once the salt water hits the electric system its all junk, not to mention no one will want to ride a ship that has sunk, just bad for business, plus like I said I have the inside scoop... |
| jimh |
posted 06-30-2012 07:15 AM ET (US)
When it comes to maritime casualties, it is my experience that the CARGOLAW website cannot be beat. Accordingly, readers who are interested in learning more about the wreck of the COSTA CONCORDIA will find the coverage at CARGOLAW to be interesting. See http://www.cargolaw.com/2012nightmare_costa_concor.html for extensive coverage, detailed analysis, and tons of images. |
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