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Author | Topic: Mercury Marine Auction Alert |
JayR |
posted 01-27-2012 08:30 AM ET (US)
http://www.hilcoind.com/sales/sale.asp?SALE_ID=2148& SALE_REFERENCE_ID=PRPYDWXOAL923201111535#photo_gallery-tab I figured there might be some interest in this. I wouldn't mind having some of this equipment in my shop. Maybe just a bench vise... Sad seeing this place all shuttered... |
andrey320 |
posted 01-27-2012 11:21 AM ET (US)
Wow! Thats a lot of stuff! I couldn't find that nice looking pilot house (in the pictures) on the list.... Not that I would buy it, but I'm sure a huge chunck of this stuff will either be scrapped or sold for pennies on the dollar. |
David Pendleton |
posted 01-27-2012 03:15 PM ET (US)
Did you catch the banner on the wall: "Twenty-five years in Stillwater and still going strong." Now a complete plant closure. |
contender |
posted 01-27-2012 04:17 PM ET (US)
Man what a frigging shame, people out of work, another US business/manufacturer closing...sad |
frontier |
posted 01-27-2012 04:36 PM ET (US)
This is all part of Obama's "Traffic Reduction Program". Destroy private business. Less workers = less traffic. It's working quite well all over the country. |
prj |
posted 01-28-2012 10:44 AM ET (US)
You're either ignorant or an idiot, frontier, which is it? The closure of the Stillwater, OK plant is the result of a well publicized and much discussed battle that Mercury Marine started. This battle pitted Wisconsin against Oklahoma in a typical corporate extortion scheme wherein tax breaks and incentive packages from public coffers were requested to maintain Mercury's presence in the winning state. |
jimh |
posted 01-28-2012 11:10 AM ET (US)
It was later revealed that Mercury Marine as a tax-entity did not exist; it was only a department of Brunswick, and Brunswick had been paying no taxes in Wisconsin at all. Brunswick reported everything as if it occurred in Illinois. So Wisconsin and the workers at Mercury were really scammed. The details are available in |
frontier |
posted 01-28-2012 12:02 PM ET (US)
prj - You need to lighten up. And find your sense of humor again. You'll find life goes a little better when you laugh more. |
L H G |
posted 01-28-2012 12:37 PM ET (US)
BRP/Evinrude did the same thing to Illinois. OMC was an Illinois Corporation, based in Waukegan IL. George Soros' venture capital operation owned it, ran it into the ground with Ficht, and shut it down with $800,000,000 in losses to creditors and suppliers, devasting the local Illinois economy. Then Canadian based Bombardier moved the entire operation up to Wisconsin, terminating the Illinois unionized workers, and hiring non-union Wisconsin workers much cheaper. Then BRP/Mitt Romney's Bain Capital took it over, took out the equity and slapped the company with staggering debt, so bad that for a while they were Moody's rated Selective Default!. Bain had planned to sell it off before the current 7 years, but the state of the economy and the business prevented it. Venture capital doesn't like to hold a company that long, and the investors still want out. |
lizard |
posted 01-28-2012 04:40 PM ET (US)
frontier- you set yourself up for prj's response. It is one of those things best quietly "eaten". |
jimh |
posted 01-28-2012 11:20 PM ET (US)
Larry--Here we go again. You enter into a discussion about Mercury and try to divert it to Evinrude and BRP. Of course, you are throwing more of the usual fear, uncertainty, and doubt at Bombardier. Let me straighten out the FUD you are throwing: OMC did not play off two cities, two plants, and two sets of employees against each other, demanding wage concessions, tax relief, and special investments from the state in order to maintain their operation. OMC just went bankrupt. Bombardier picked up the outboard engine manufacturing portion of OMC, invested millions in capital, and moved the outboard assembly operation to a brand new factory they constructed at Sturtevant, Wisconsin. BRP did close down some old OMC facilities in the South in order to consolidate manufacturing, but they did not try to play two plants or two sets of workers against one another to extract wage concessions. BRP hired back a lot of former OMC workers who were out of a job. Recently BRP moved even more of its Evinrude operation to Sturtevant, but in that process they never tried to leverage one state against another, one city against another, one set of workers against another for the purpose of gaining concessions in wages from the workers or special benefits from the state. If you read that white paper about Brunswick (linked above) you will see that Brunswick has laid off many thousands of its workers, shut down many of its plants, moved boat building operations from one region of the country to another, and, in general, made a very large reduction in its workforce. As for taxes, there is further irony. Since Brunswick has accumulated losses of hundred of millions of dollars in their operation over the past five years, even when they do return to a profit they will be unlikely to pay any income tax on it for some time, as they will shelter it with their losses carried forward on their corporate accounting. I don't have any knowledge about the feelings of Bain Capital about their investment in BRP, and I doubt that you do, either. You probably just make up these things and throw them out there as part of your campaign of fear, uncertainty and doubt against BRP. BRP is a privately held company, and, like most privately held companies, they keep a lot of their financial information private. It is much easier to get a sense of the feelings of the stockholders of Brunswick, a publicly traded company. They have seen the share price decline significantly in the past five years. From a share price of around $50, BC now trades about $20. It five-cent dividend is not much solace. |
Mambo Minnow |
posted 01-29-2012 08:44 AM ET (US)
BRP is privately held, so it's difficult to make a direct comparison with information not publicly available. Bain Capital takes part in ownership and reaps rewards of it's management advice to turn companies around. Staples is an another example. Evinrude might no longer even exist if not for their management. Brunswick corporate HQ is based out of Illinois, while Mercury has always been based out of Fond Du Lac. Historically, small engine manufacturing firms such as Tecumseh, Briggs&Stratton and Harley Davidson were based on southern Wisconsin. I'd rather have the jobs in either of these two states than overseas in Mexico and China. Ironically, as living standards rise in China and a bourgeoisie is created, economists are already discussing the return of manufacturing jobs to North America. Rising transportation costs/fuel costs make the Chinese manufacturing model not cost effective. |
Mambo Minnow |
posted 01-29-2012 08:47 AM ET (US)
http://www.areadevelopment.com/siteSelection/dec09/ united-states-manufacturing-insouring-costs1102.shtml See following link related to my last post |
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