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egres posted 09-03-2012 04:41 PM ET (US)
On this well awaited Labor Day,I came to see that there was plenty of distractions from the usual daily works and enterprises making my usual fares.
Friends and acquaintances have been somehow distracted by the campaigning of nominees from various North American areas.
Polls will be taken from now until November into the Land.
And some will have fun things to say and then again,some will deny the obvious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqKdWY692k
My point today will be to ask of what will be most Whaler owner's convictions into seeing the Whaler products being contracted out to more cost efficient countries.
And this regarding quality of the product and profit being an important point on a business point of view.
Has the Whaler brand been re leagued to playing a minor role to the profitable outboard industry?
The name seems to be associated with a sentimental brand loyalty that has very little to do with profit and gain.
Has the sight of the Whaler logo given you the same old feeling or is the" Image" seem to have changed without the input of a vast majority of Classic owners?
Business as usual or Classic ownership pride?
What is actually left will be an interesting update.

fno posted 09-04-2012 12:21 AM ET (US)
Egres, maybe you should invest in a respirator for your sanding efforts. The fumes have gotten to your cortex...
egres posted 09-04-2012 02:04 PM ET (US)
Seems like the questions may be a bit too complicated for some.
A true debatable subject today and daily seen in many examples as in;
Appliances,vehicles and general hardware that used to be made in the NA continent;
To fling thinly veiled insult instead of entertaining a thought may be regarded as blunt to some but denote of a certain lack of actuality.
Reminds me of the "SITS"seen in so many "modern" areas.
Stuck In The Seventies and refusing to "move on".
And Hell FNO,
Sanding is an art and needs a lot of patience.
From what I can see here, both qualities that you are sadly lacking of.
PeteB88 posted 09-04-2012 03:48 PM ET (US)
What? Not sure I am receiving.. the distant ship smoke on the horizon. You are only coming through in waves....
Seriously
say what you want but most of the Post Classic Whalers look mighty fine to me and are fantastic boats. And I admit, I had attitude about that before. Beautiful 20+ foot Outrage off shore Muskegon yesterday looking so fine. And Ellen loves Frank's boat and Frank too so there!
thegage posted 09-04-2012 04:09 PM ET (US)
It is not the question that is complicated, it is the way you asked it: You seem to be railing against offshore manufacturing while at the same time criticising a boat that is still largely manufactured in the U.S. Or am I missing something? You might get better responses if you ask straightforward questions.
In an attempt to respond to what seem to be your points:
I love my classics.
I'd love to be able to afford a modern version also. I don't think it's living on its past reputation.
Manufacturing being done offshore is the result of at least two major policy courses on the part of both parties. First, trade policy that puts American workers in direct competition with those in significantly lower-wage countries. Second, policies that keep the dollar high against other currencies, which makes the financial/investment sector happy but which makes exports too expensive and further depresses manufacturing jobs. I don't think either party will significantly change these policy courses, but I think one will steer a course that will do more damage.
John K.
fno posted 09-04-2012 06:41 PM ET (US)
Touche,Serge. Thanks, John for expressing my Sentiments in a patient and classy männer that I seem to lack. I would like to add that in addition to the difficulty understanding you, there seems to be little to no relevance to Boston Whaler related content. Other than the veiled reference in order to stir the political pot at Continuouswave. Or is this merely a regurgitated thread designed to continue (to what end ??) the Classic/ Post Classice debate.
egres posted 09-04-2012 07:46 PM ET (US)
Guys..
It seems to me that the "WHALER" name represent something that is rather special within the boat world.
A style of it's own,a reliable hull with a value that seems to depreciate less than other manufacturing brands.
I do remember being aglow when I did get my first one
And I will ad that I still "feel" the same way today.
It does make for good all around thoughts when working on the refit: I do call it Quality Time.
I apologize if I did seem to be railing but was actually comparing a revered past(as products smartly made in the NA Continent)
To today's agenda of profit making(as in foreign manufacturing contracts) at the expense of the human factor,( less jobs,less money and a very long list of side effects such as crime,etc, etc.)
The bottom line was presented in the form of questions referring to sentimental value versus a business sense ;
(And I will stand being corrected if proven wrong;)
That seem to be prevailing these days..aimed at a profit made regardless of long or short term consequences.
The Classic's era and the Post Classics perhaps.
I will agree that the Whaler hulls seem to be "mostly" fabricated in Florida
And one of my question was WHAT IF in the name of more PROFIT and a reduced tag price, we would see some of the models being contracted abroad?
Would we all feel the same about our Whalers being made in Mexico or Canada for that mater?
Sentimentality has very little to do with profit.
My questions were an introduction to a dialogue comparing what the past has thought us and to the future that still remain to be written.
fno posted 09-05-2012 01:14 AM ET (US)
OK, I'll bite because I did throw the first stone. If Boston Whaler decided to manufacture hulls and or major components in a foreign country I would most likely not buy their product. Merely for the fact that in my lifetime B oston Whaler has represented the ideals of what is great about an American made product. These ideals extend to quality of materials, multipurpose built designs,safety on the water engineered into the hull, the list goes on and on. I have both a Classic and newer Outrage 210 that both can carry the Boston Whaler name with pride. Both of them are ass busters and have their quirks, but they are both dependable,reliable(even with Mercury power) and bring a ton of fun to the family on the weekends. That to me is the true purpose of a recreational boat.
egres posted 09-05-2012 02:56 PM ET (US)
Well put FNO
I could not have said it better myself.
On a personal level
I can see now that the" feel" for the brand is a perception as varied as the individuals that make us Whaler owners.
Whaler repairs is always a big thing here for me.
And John,
I have taken apart and repaired boats for a few years
And am still enjoying my efforts doing the repairs.
Seeing the word "policy" twice in your good answer had me thinking that perhaps the elected policy makers were coming up short in regard to competency in taking care of business for the largely COMMON GOOD of the population.
My refits always cost a pretty penny to start and when needing new components the purchases are made and the money spent.
Got to pay your dues when running a tight outfit.
When you have a feel for this kind of thing that is.
KismetLRC posted 09-05-2012 10:17 PM ET (US)
While I'd love to see all manufacturing and jobs come to (and remain) in North America, I don't have my head stuck in the sand and realize that we truly live in a world economy. Products and services are constantly produced around the world with remarkable quality.
Case in point, all of the engines we have hanging off the back of our whalers have Asian made components. Heck, many are entirely made abroad.
I love my Mercedes....love my Lexus....love my Denali....love my Hatteras and love my Whaler. All require components from around the world to assemble - and for me to enjoy.
All of that said, I'd love to see Whaler stay domestic.
JBCornwell posted 09-06-2012 11:56 AM ET (US)
I am a child of the 20th century and a rabid fan of products made at a level of excellence that rose well above contemporary "competition".
My 20th century American "classic" Boston Whalers (7), Belgian Browning arms and German Mercedes Benz vehicles all met my wants.
I find 21st century descendants of those products good, but wanting in excellence. I believe they have become that way in pursuit of improved profitability.
Without profitability there would (will?) be no products. It seems more profitable to make them, or parts of them, elsewhere. The question becomes, "Where elsewhere?".
I remember when Japanese craftsmanship was considered terrible, yet today they make the best optics and automobiles in the world. Pretty good guns, too. Belgium, Germany and Switzerland offer superior engineering and manufacture. Would it be more profitable to have them build our Whalers? I don't think so.
But Thailand, Taiwan, China, India, Viet Nam, etc? They all have a long way to go to develop levels of craftsmanship that would be essential for 21st century Whalers.
So, bottom line: I prefer a Dougherty designed classic Boston Whaler to anything made since. I think outsourcing would further degrade the excellence of Boston Whalers.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
egres posted 09-08-2012 03:37 PM ET (US)
Agreeable on some points but as far as post Classic models
I just have a shine to the Montauk 210
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_po5l6SM-0E&feature=related
I could very easily get used to this model inspired by a Classic styling.
BQUICK posted 09-10-2012 03:25 PM ET (US)
If more and more products are not made in this country we'll end up like Europe with close to 25% unemployment.
It's scary to think what will happen to this world as the population grows....what will all the people do for jobs?
wezie posted 09-11-2012 09:49 AM ET (US)
Just costs too much to produce almost anything here.
There are many reasons, but most are the gross unproductive overllords we support. They are the unprofitable part, and thus a burden.
I spend more time looking at mfg locations, and buy local when possible.
Much offshore production is ok, and built to specks.
Much of it is junk, that is just cheaper and simpler to have produced there.
Produced by those that do not know what it is, how it is used, and who will never see one again.
I too appreciate more of the classic approach and feel. I also appreciate the total lack of any wood on my 170.
egres posted 09-18-2012 04:18 PM ET (US)
Well for a rather large roster of Classic loving guys
I have not seen a lot of comments about what makes the hulls their favorite.
Plenty of gripe and debate about the stern powers tough.
Good thing that we can at least agree to enjoy the same brand of crafts.
I like my own Classic the Classic Outrage 19 1975 because it is a fairly light and trailerable,.
Fairly easy to launch by myself
Economical to run
And an endless source of update and repairs for the right feel of" it"
Bigger then a Montauk
And a constant source of public interest asking How much would I want for it.
My answer being
Everything will be for sale for the right price.
JBCornwell posted 09-18-2012 11:01 PM ET (US)
For me, a large part of the classic-ness of the Whalers of the '70s and '80s is wood. . .superior wood. . .brightwork. Yes, it needs maintenance just as a dream woman needs caresses, but that is part of the joy of a relationship with the dream boat. . . or the dream woman.
While I still maintain that the classic Montauk is the most versatile boat ever made for the fisherman, the Striper 15 and the first gen Outrage 17 outshine her in certain circumstances.
As far as outsourcing, I think the Swiss would make a superior Whaler, at an unreachable price.
skinnywater posted 09-19-2012 12:03 AM ET (US)
I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!!
To para-quote VanHagar -
"World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..."
Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint]
Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater posted 09-19-2012 12:05 AM ET (US)
I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!!
To para-quote VanHagar -
"World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..."
Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint]
Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater posted 09-19-2012 12:08 AM ET (US)
I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!!
To para-quote VanHagar -
"World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..."
Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint]
Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater posted 09-19-2012 12:11 AM ET (US)
I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!!
To para-quote VanHagar -
"World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..."
Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint]
Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater posted 09-19-2012 12:17 AM ET (US)
Holy Crow Jim(!) - I swear I didn't submit more than twice - once to submit, but the page just hung in space forever so I copied all from the message, closed the browser and returned to the page and pasted into the message body when I navigated back after re-opening, but I notice several other posts since my initial attempt.... well, okay maybe I hit submit twice when the page was hung out in space - anyway - please edit down to one entry. Thanks.
egres posted 09-28-2012 02:55 PM ET (US)
Good to see that you are still alive and kicking Max..
JB, the Swiss would make a new model called the "Alpine"
All brass would be gold plated and you could "store" it behind their vaulted doors forever for a residual fee.
The price today of a model similar in size to our own craft would most likely tax us with sizable payments..
On the other hand,
The Boston Whaler brand has been getting a huge amount of free publicity from the likes of comments and ideas stemming from lists like the CW as an example.
Jobs..The lifeline of a healthy economy.
And glad that the designers have introduced the like of the 210 as an essay in pleasing the Classic Whaler groups.
It demonstrate that there is a line of communication between ownership and the manufacturing efforts.

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Author	Topic: Whaler's Owner's Preferences
egres	posted 09-03-2012 04:41 PM ET (US) On this well awaited Labor Day,I came to see that there was plenty of distractions from the usual daily works and enterprises making my usual fares. Friends and acquaintances have been somehow distracted by the campaigning of nominees from various North American areas. Polls will be taken from now until November into the Land. And some will have fun things to say and then again,some will deny the obvious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqKdWY692k My point today will be to ask of what will be most Whaler owner's convictions into seeing the Whaler products being contracted out to more cost efficient countries. And this regarding quality of the product and profit being an important point on a business point of view. Has the Whaler brand been re leagued to playing a minor role to the profitable outboard industry? The name seems to be associated with a sentimental brand loyalty that has very little to do with profit and gain. Has the sight of the Whaler logo given you the same old feeling or is the" Image" seem to have changed without the input of a vast majority of Classic owners? Business as usual or Classic ownership pride? What is actually left will be an interesting update.
fno	posted 09-04-2012 12:21 AM ET (US) Egres, maybe you should invest in a respirator for your sanding efforts. The fumes have gotten to your cortex...
egres	posted 09-04-2012 02:04 PM ET (US) Seems like the questions may be a bit too complicated for some. A true debatable subject today and daily seen in many examples as in; Appliances,vehicles and general hardware that used to be made in the NA continent; To fling thinly veiled insult instead of entertaining a thought may be regarded as blunt to some but denote of a certain lack of actuality. Reminds me of the "SITS"seen in so many "modern" areas. Stuck In The Seventies and refusing to "move on". And Hell FNO, Sanding is an art and needs a lot of patience. From what I can see here, both qualities that you are sadly lacking of.
PeteB88	posted 09-04-2012 03:48 PM ET (US) What? Not sure I am receiving.. the distant ship smoke on the horizon. You are only coming through in waves.... Seriously say what you want but most of the Post Classic Whalers look mighty fine to me and are fantastic boats. And I admit, I had attitude about that before. Beautiful 20+ foot Outrage off shore Muskegon yesterday looking so fine. And Ellen loves Frank's boat and Frank too so there!
thegage	posted 09-04-2012 04:09 PM ET (US) It is not the question that is complicated, it is the way you asked it: You seem to be railing against offshore manufacturing while at the same time criticising a boat that is still largely manufactured in the U.S. Or am I missing something? You might get better responses if you ask straightforward questions. In an attempt to respond to what seem to be your points: I love my classics. I'd love to be able to afford a modern version also. I don't think it's living on its past reputation. Manufacturing being done offshore is the result of at least two major policy courses on the part of both parties. First, trade policy that puts American workers in direct competition with those in significantly lower-wage countries. Second, policies that keep the dollar high against other currencies, which makes the financial/investment sector happy but which makes exports too expensive and further depresses manufacturing jobs. I don't think either party will significantly change these policy courses, but I think one will steer a course that will do more damage. John K.
fno	posted 09-04-2012 06:41 PM ET (US) Touche,Serge. Thanks, John for expressing my Sentiments in a patient and classy männer that I seem to lack. I would like to add that in addition to the difficulty understanding you, there seems to be little to no relevance to Boston Whaler related content. Other than the veiled reference in order to stir the political pot at Continuouswave. Or is this merely a regurgitated thread designed to continue (to what end ??) the Classic/ Post Classice debate.
egres	posted 09-04-2012 07:46 PM ET (US) Guys.. It seems to me that the "WHALER" name represent something that is rather special within the boat world. A style of it's own,a reliable hull with a value that seems to depreciate less than other manufacturing brands. I do remember being aglow when I did get my first one And I will ad that I still "feel" the same way today. It does make for good all around thoughts when working on the refit: I do call it Quality Time. I apologize if I did seem to be railing but was actually comparing a revered past(as products smartly made in the NA Continent) To today's agenda of profit making(as in foreign manufacturing contracts) at the expense of the human factor,( less jobs,less money and a very long list of side effects such as crime,etc, etc.) The bottom line was presented in the form of questions referring to sentimental value versus a business sense ; (And I will stand being corrected if proven wrong;) That seem to be prevailing these days..aimed at a profit made regardless of long or short term consequences. The Classic's era and the Post Classics perhaps. I will agree that the Whaler hulls seem to be "mostly" fabricated in Florida And one of my question was WHAT IF in the name of more PROFIT and a reduced tag price, we would see some of the models being contracted abroad? Would we all feel the same about our Whalers being made in Mexico or Canada for that mater? Sentimentality has very little to do with profit. My questions were an introduction to a dialogue comparing what the past has thought us and to the future that still remain to be written.
fno	posted 09-05-2012 01:14 AM ET (US) OK, I'll bite because I did throw the first stone. If Boston Whaler decided to manufacture hulls and or major components in a foreign country I would most likely not buy their product. Merely for the fact that in my lifetime B oston Whaler has represented the ideals of what is great about an American made product. These ideals extend to quality of materials, multipurpose built designs,safety on the water engineered into the hull, the list goes on and on. I have both a Classic and newer Outrage 210 that both can carry the Boston Whaler name with pride. Both of them are ass busters and have their quirks, but they are both dependable,reliable(even with Mercury power) and bring a ton of fun to the family on the weekends. That to me is the true purpose of a recreational boat.
egres	posted 09-05-2012 02:56 PM ET (US) Well put FNO I could not have said it better myself. On a personal level I can see now that the" feel" for the brand is a perception as varied as the individuals that make us Whaler owners. Whaler repairs is always a big thing here for me. And John, I have taken apart and repaired boats for a few years And am still enjoying my efforts doing the repairs. Seeing the word "policy" twice in your good answer had me thinking that perhaps the elected policy makers were coming up short in regard to competency in taking care of business for the largely COMMON GOOD of the population. My refits always cost a pretty penny to start and when needing new components the purchases are made and the money spent. Got to pay your dues when running a tight outfit. When you have a feel for this kind of thing that is.
KismetLRC	posted 09-05-2012 10:17 PM ET (US) While I'd love to see all manufacturing and jobs come to (and remain) in North America, I don't have my head stuck in the sand and realize that we truly live in a world economy. Products and services are constantly produced around the world with remarkable quality. Case in point, all of the engines we have hanging off the back of our whalers have Asian made components. Heck, many are entirely made abroad. I love my Mercedes....love my Lexus....love my Denali....love my Hatteras and love my Whaler. All require components from around the world to assemble - and for me to enjoy. All of that said, I'd love to see Whaler stay domestic.
JBCornwell	posted 09-06-2012 11:56 AM ET (US) I am a child of the 20th century and a rabid fan of products made at a level of excellence that rose well above contemporary "competition". My 20th century American "classic" Boston Whalers (7), Belgian Browning arms and German Mercedes Benz vehicles all met my wants. I find 21st century descendants of those products good, but wanting in excellence. I believe they have become that way in pursuit of improved profitability. Without profitability there would (will?) be no products. It seems more profitable to make them, or parts of them, elsewhere. The question becomes, "Where elsewhere?". I remember when Japanese craftsmanship was considered terrible, yet today they make the best optics and automobiles in the world. Pretty good guns, too. Belgium, Germany and Switzerland offer superior engineering and manufacture. Would it be more profitable to have them build our Whalers? I don't think so. But Thailand, Taiwan, China, India, Viet Nam, etc? They all have a long way to go to develop levels of craftsmanship that would be essential for 21st century Whalers. So, bottom line: I prefer a Dougherty designed classic Boston Whaler to anything made since. I think outsourcing would further degrade the excellence of Boston Whalers. Red sky at night. . . JB
egres	posted 09-08-2012 03:37 PM ET (US) Agreeable on some points but as far as post Classic models I just have a shine to the Montauk 210 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_po5l6SM-0E&feature=related I could very easily get used to this model inspired by a Classic styling.
BQUICK	posted 09-10-2012 03:25 PM ET (US) If more and more products are not made in this country we'll end up like Europe with close to 25% unemployment. It's scary to think what will happen to this world as the population grows....what will all the people do for jobs?
wezie	posted 09-11-2012 09:49 AM ET (US) Just costs too much to produce almost anything here. There are many reasons, but most are the gross unproductive overllords we support. They are the unprofitable part, and thus a burden. I spend more time looking at mfg locations, and buy local when possible. Much offshore production is ok, and built to specks. Much of it is junk, that is just cheaper and simpler to have produced there. Produced by those that do not know what it is, how it is used, and who will never see one again. I too appreciate more of the classic approach and feel. I also appreciate the total lack of any wood on my 170.
egres	posted 09-18-2012 04:18 PM ET (US) Well for a rather large roster of Classic loving guys I have not seen a lot of comments about what makes the hulls their favorite. Plenty of gripe and debate about the stern powers tough. Good thing that we can at least agree to enjoy the same brand of crafts. I like my own Classic the Classic Outrage 19 1975 because it is a fairly light and trailerable,. Fairly easy to launch by myself Economical to run And an endless source of update and repairs for the right feel of" it" Bigger then a Montauk And a constant source of public interest asking How much would I want for it. My answer being Everything will be for sale for the right price.
JBCornwell	posted 09-18-2012 11:01 PM ET (US) For me, a large part of the classic-ness of the Whalers of the '70s and '80s is wood. . .superior wood. . .brightwork. Yes, it needs maintenance just as a dream woman needs caresses, but that is part of the joy of a relationship with the dream boat. . . or the dream woman. While I still maintain that the classic Montauk is the most versatile boat ever made for the fisherman, the Striper 15 and the first gen Outrage 17 outshine her in certain circumstances. As far as outsourcing, I think the Swiss would make a superior Whaler, at an unreachable price.
skinnywater	posted 09-19-2012 12:03 AM ET (US) I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!! To para-quote VanHagar - "World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..." Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint] Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater	posted 09-19-2012 12:05 AM ET (US) I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!! To para-quote VanHagar - "World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..." Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint] Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater	posted 09-19-2012 12:08 AM ET (US) I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!! To para-quote VanHagar - "World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..." Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint] Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater	posted 09-19-2012 12:11 AM ET (US) I have to agree with the insightfulness of both Serge and JB - When it comes to Whalers, the majority of arguments on this site seem to concern the brand of power plant that propels them - which has nothing to do with the quality of the craftsmanship of the craft itself at all (i.e. don't like the black on the back -?- invest some ducks and get something that comes in white and make it right). On the other hand... man-oh-man the beauty of those classic Whaler hulls are sooo much enhanced by the beautiful quality of the wood that adorned them!! To para-quote VanHagar - "World turns black and white....And in the end, on dreams we will depend, 'Cause that's what Love is made of..." Thanks both for the visuals -[to All- wish one of you video gurus could set that tune to some Whalers plying the waters -hint-hint] Max ^@^(-)~
skinnywater	posted 09-19-2012 12:17 AM ET (US) Holy Crow Jim(!) - I swear I didn't submit more than twice - once to submit, but the page just hung in space forever so I copied all from the message, closed the browser and returned to the page and pasted into the message body when I navigated back after re-opening, but I notice several other posts since my initial attempt.... well, okay maybe I hit submit twice when the page was hung out in space - anyway - please edit down to one entry. Thanks.
egres	posted 09-28-2012 02:55 PM ET (US) Good to see that you are still alive and kicking Max.. JB, the Swiss would make a new model called the "Alpine" All brass would be gold plated and you could "store" it behind their vaulted doors forever for a residual fee. The price today of a model similar in size to our own craft would most likely tax us with sizable payments.. On the other hand, The Boston Whaler brand has been getting a huge amount of free publicity from the likes of comments and ideas stemming from lists like the CW as an example. Jobs..The lifeline of a healthy economy. And glad that the designers have introduced the like of the 210 as an essay in pleasing the Classic Whaler groups. It demonstrate that there is a line of communication between ownership and the manufacturing efforts.