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| tombro |
posted 10-25-2012 12:47 PM ET (US)  
Looks like the Northeast USA will get a good hit from Hurricane Sandy. Just got the call from the marina asking whether I wanted to be hauled. I agreed, as I was planning on a Saturday haulout for winter anyway. Another season over--with a bang, from the looks of it. ~Tom |
| Mambo Minnow |
posted 10-25-2012 06:10 PM ET (US)
Glad I winterized and put her to bed two weeks ago! Looking like the second year in the row with a Halloween storm in the Northeast. |
| macfam |
posted 10-25-2012 08:44 PM ET (US)
Hauling the 28 Saturday morning, although, that was scheduled several weeks ago. 13 Super Sport will be out by Sunday morning. That's the end for me. Also the inflatable, lawn furniture, etc.etc. got to be put away. This could be real messy for Ol' Cape Cod! |
| jimh |
posted 10-26-2012 11:18 PM ET (US)
I saw a forecast of a 950-MB low for SANDY. We were on Lake Superior with a 987-MB low that gave us 70-MPH winds. A low of 950-MB would be amazing low pressure. That's what some models are predicting. See |
| lizard |
posted 10-27-2012 12:50 AM ET (US)
I used to be lured by NOAA storm predictor models, at one point probably consumed with them. For MOST of the major storms predicted for DC/VA through New England, they moved offshore and I became complacent. That was, until Irene in 2011, where we took a beating. A good beating. So, I am back in skeptical about the hype mode, despite reading almost every weather site's predictions. You other NE peeps- say what? Our 19 is on the hard and likely safe. |
| swist |
posted 10-27-2012 09:19 AM ET (US)
People need to read ONLY the real National Weather Service and National Hurricane Center predictions to get an accurate picture. All other media sources are suspect as they do their usual hyping and sky is falling coverage. The so-called "Weather Channel" being the worst offender as they put Jim Cantori on site so we can all watch the mass destruction. The storm is below hurricane strength at the moment, and while it may be possible or even likely that there will be widespread rain and wind impacts from this system, the catastrophe predicted seems unlikely (one paper said "a historical storm" - what?) |
| jimh |
posted 10-27-2012 09:33 AM ET (US)
On one hand I can agree that forecasts for storms and hurricanes have lately seemed to be more hysterical and exaggerated than in the past. On the other hand, a group of scientists was just recently convicted of criminal charges in Italy because they did not properly advise the public of the possibility of an earthquake. The scientists have been sentenced to prison terms. See That SANDY has the possibility of developing into an extremely strong storm has been made clear. If SANDY fizzles out and the New England coast gets three days of rain and some wind at least no NOAA meterologists will have to go to jail. |
| swist |
posted 10-27-2012 10:26 AM ET (US)
I can see where a group which is paid to perform a useful public service, yet chooses not to properly disseminate information about an impending severe meteorological situation can face sanctions - particularly if there was negligence or outright deception involved. But with inexact sciences, it hardly seems reasonable to jail people for misestimating the impact of such events. The system should be self-correcting in that those who do a bad job at these things will no longer be allowed to do them. Excessive sanctions will have the affect of threats constantly being overstated. While it may be good to somewhat overstate threats because of the margin of error, a balance needs to be struck - the downside is unnecessary expenditure of public resources, economic impact of shutting down businesses, etc. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 10-27-2012 09:57 PM ET (US)
Interesting spectrum of ideas as to what will happen. Meanwhile, I am sitting on my 42 Grand Banks in Narragansett RI waiting out the storm to begin a cruise to Key West and the Tortugas. The storm is pushing me back a week... Oh well, another dozen clam cakes and a cup of chowdah... NWS is the source for weather, the "entertainment" weather will make you quit boating.
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| lizard |
posted 10-28-2012 01:03 AM ET (US)
[Sidebar to Dave] Sutton--As far as I can remember, NWS is an extension of [NOAA and] uses the data of NOAA. Is that your understanding? Found out today, despite prior arrangements, our OUTRAGE 19 is NOT out of the water as it should be at Birbarie's. That said, it is significantly further down the river than the dock is. Birbarie's Marine (not the dealership) is no longer the business Paul Birbarie built it to be. Supposedly our trailer is ready for the boat, except that they can't specifically identify our trailer. Apparently, we are not alone :( |
| tombro |
posted 10-28-2012 05:52 AM ET (US)
Our 210 Ventura is in the rack at the marina, and we went down for a final visit yesterday to remove gear for the winter. Hopefully the storm surge will not be as bad as predicted, but NJ is taking a direct hit from NWS guidance. I think for once this is not an over-hyped storm. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 10-28-2012 08:03 AM ET (US)
[Sidebar to Lizard on modes of address.] |
| dfmcintyre |
posted 10-28-2012 09:08 AM ET (US)
While I don't know who he is, one of the more concise, short blog entries about some predictions I read recently can be found here: http://ace.mu.nu/ Scroll down one or two entries, and open up the "Hurricane Sandy 10/28 update" section. Potential case of a big NotGood coming that way. Regards - Don |
| dfmcintyre |
posted 10-28-2012 09:09 AM ET (US)
Sorry: |
| L H G |
posted 10-28-2012 04:19 PM ET (US)
NOAA is now saying this storm will even affect Lake Michigan and Chicago. For the Lake, NOAA Chicago is predicting "North Storm force winds to 50 Knots, waves 20'-25', ocassionally to 33'." for Tuesday evening. |
| Bella con23 |
posted 10-28-2012 07:39 PM ET (US)
Passing Bermuda - http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=41048&meas=sght&uom=E& time_diff=-4&time_label=EDT |
| Sal A |
posted 10-28-2012 08:08 PM ET (US)
My area may be the eye. The full moon is not helping. We are going to have massive flooding and damage. I am sadly pessimistic, but I am tired of this. And all while the house is for sale... My Revenge is out of the water though. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 10-28-2012 08:38 PM ET (US)
Hey Sal, Sitting 6 feet above sea level in Union Beach 300 yards from the water... watching the tides. 'Tauk anchored in the yard. Last tide at about 7:30 was a basic full moon sort of tide, but the next two will be the ones that count. The Grand Banks is safe, just wish they made a Danforth big enough to anchor a house!
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| skinnywater |
posted 10-28-2012 09:53 PM ET (US)
National Weather service Bulletin -
quote: |
| Kencvit |
posted 10-28-2012 10:20 PM ET (US)
[Sidebar to Dave Sutton not related directly to the storm.] |
| David Pendleton |
posted 10-28-2012 10:23 PM ET (US)
Good thing this is only a Category I storm, anything higher and .gov would be declaring martial law... |
| tombro |
posted 10-29-2012 05:51 AM ET (US)
As Sandy is approaching the New Jersey shorelines, a maximum wave height of 42 feet (!!!) was reported this morning. Winds of 70-90 mph are forecast when it makes landfall. Storm surge anticipated to be up to 12 feet. Full moon high tide is at 8:01 AM this morning at Sandy Hook. All eyes are on our shores and back bays now. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 10-29-2012 09:24 AM ET (US)
I am sitting 200 yards from the Raritan Bay in my house in Union Beach, having just watched the first of two high tides today come into my garage and to my house doorstep. hat was after spending all night preparing the house, and then driving my van to high ground to sleep in the back. I came down today and am clearing out my garage. Then next tide will be two feet higher. I'll probably lose all of my first floor stuff, what has not been carried into the attic. And I have a 42 foot boat on her mooring in Rhode Island to worry about too. [Sidebar to Kencvit]
. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2012 09:55 AM ET (US)
I don't know if this is due to the storm, but this morning, Monday, in Michigan we have 25-knot wind from the North and all gray skies. Definitely not Indian Summer. |
| tombro |
posted 10-29-2012 10:29 AM ET (US)
Dave, you are in a difficult spot on the Bayshore; hope the surge is not as bad as predicted. I know the area all too well, having slipped several boats in Keyport back in the 1980's. Babysat my rig during the passage of Gloria in 1985. The next two high tides, tonite and Tuesday morning will be tough ones for the shore. The 11AM tropical update shows Sandy is now 90 knots at the center of circulation. |
| Hoosier |
posted 10-29-2012 11:07 AM ET (US)
This because of Sandy, South end of Lake Michigan: NORTHERLY ISLAND TO CALUMET HARBOR-CALUMET HARBOR TO GARY- ...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM CDT THIS AFTERNOON... .REST OF TODAY...NORTH WINDS TO 30 KT INCREASING TO 40 KT THIS |
| hauptjm |
posted 10-29-2012 11:09 AM ET (US)
My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in the path of Hurricane Sandy. Stay safe and keep a keen lookout for danger. There can be as much harm caused after the storm, as during it! |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2012 12:47 PM ET (US)
I deleted a couple of sidebar discussions which I did not think added particularly to the information content regarding SANDY. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2012 01:00 PM ET (US)
Re the television coverage of storm events like SANDY, there seems now to be a expectation that media sources will place people as directly as possible into the most dangerous path of the storm in order to produce live, on-the-scene reports. These television personalities and their technical crews put themselves into intentional danger, all the while telling the public to flee from the danger. It is really incongruous logic. The payoff for the television media and the presenter comes in viewers and notoriety. For THE WEATHER CHANNEL to have someone on the scene in storm conditions has now become their modus operandi and for an individual, like Jim Cantore, a path to significant career advancement. People tune in to THE WEATHER CHANNEL because they know they'll see the worst of the storm from a live broadcast somewhere in its path. And do you think Jim Cantore would be filling in as the weatherman on the TODAY show if he had not made a name for himself by standing in high winds and heavy rain along numerous dangerous coasts telling viewers how terrible it all was? Is that now part of being a really good meteorologist? OK, enough of my media rant. I am going back to the cable TV to watch the storm. |
| L H G |
posted 10-29-2012 01:28 PM ET (US)
Many of you have probably heard it already, but this morning the storm claimed the replica of the HMS Bounty (built 1960), which sunk off the NC coast, possibly claiming two lives. Fifteen sailors were rescued. Why they were out there, I have no clue, but it makes no sense to me. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 10-29-2012 02:01 PM ET (US)
"Why they were out there, I have no clue, but it makes no sense to me"
Been there, done that... went backwards 250 miles in a day, and then went into port. She was a beauty. Prayers for the two still missing. Things not looking good here... planning to evacuate before the tide.
.
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| tjxtreme |
posted 10-29-2012 02:03 PM ET (US)
NOAA has produced a good summary of changing water levels, wind, and barometric pressure across the eastern seaboard, updated continuously. http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/quicklook/data/SANDY.html Stay safe everyone |
| L H G |
posted 10-29-2012 03:06 PM ET (US)
Here's more on the Bounty, and rescue video. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2012 04:18 PM ET (US)
Using the very versatile chart plotter program POLARVIEW NS from Polar Navy, I just downloaded the GRIB predictions for wind and precipitation for the next seven days for the region from the Great Lakes to the Northeast. Wow--according to GRIB models on early Tuesday morning Georgian Bay will have a Nor'easter' with 45-knot winds blowing across. It would almost be worth the time and expense to drive up to Lions Head to see what that would look like. The GRIB model also shows 40-knots at Port Austin and coming out of the North. That ought to be a rather impressive display of Lake Huron fury, too. Currently the GRIB data shows the really strong, 70-knot winds are only in offshore areas. Once the storm comes ashore the winds speeds are 40-knots, typically. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2012 05:20 PM ET (US)
Here is a link to the USCG recording of their rescue helo in action; this is great stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UDlc1slA8PA |
| Phil T |
posted 10-29-2012 06:12 PM ET (US)
I have watched dozens of USCG SAR videos and each one is impressive. The skill of the Pilots, Rescue Swimmer and Hoist operator in that clip is amazing. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2012 06:43 PM ET (US)
What is the endurance of the USCG helo used in that rescue? When those crews are hovering offshore at 100-miles or more, they must be computing their fuel reserves carefully so they can get back, particularly if they end up flying into 70-knot head winds. That is really some high-stress day at the office. |
| skinnywater |
posted 10-29-2012 10:09 PM ET (US)
Jim - I believe the SAR birds are capable of aerial refueling which would allow them to extend their coverage, time on station [and life expectancy] if necessary. Weather conditions permitting of course. |
| Lionheart |
posted 10-30-2012 04:41 AM ET (US)
Girls Rule. "Coast Guard rescue pilot Lt. Jenny Fields told NBC News that the operation was a "challenging hoist" but that she was lucky to have a "skillful crew" on her Jayhawk helicopter ". |
| alfred |
posted 10-30-2012 07:00 AM ET (US)
My heart goes out to all of you and those in the path of the storm. You are all in our prayers and thoughts here down under. Stay safe. |
| boatdryver |
posted 10-30-2012 08:42 AM ET (US)
jimh, the range of the MH-60 Jayhawk (a descendent of the famed Blackhawk) is on the order of 700 nautical miles per this link: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg7/cg711/h60s.asp lots of good USCG rescue stuff on The Weather Channel. JimL |
| boatdryver |
posted 10-30-2012 08:44 AM ET (US)
oops. |
| jimp |
posted 10-30-2012 10:00 AM ET (US)
CG helos cannot refuel in mid-air. If it's a really long offshore case, the USAF or National Guard usually helps out with a mid-air refuelable helo. For one of the greatest helo rescues, look up the Alaskan Monarch aground on St Paul Island, Pribilofs, March 15, 1990. The helo pilot was Laura Guth. The CGC Storis could only get within a few hundred yards in the ice and breaking seas( in the ice) and shallow water (she even lost an anchor trying to minimize her drift toward shore); attempts with the line throwing gun were useless. Entire rescue filmed from the bluffs of St Paul with hundreds of spectators as the crew of the F/V got swept over the side. The helo rescued them all. There are many videos of this in youtube and photobucket. [urlhttp://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/search/field/corpor/searchterm/%20Alaskan%20Monarch/mode/exact[/url] JimP |
| home Aside |
posted 10-30-2012 10:04 AM ET (US)
Jimh, I watched that you tube video with amazement, the mix of the team work, dedication, and technology, is just awesome. It's nice to be able to hear all the communication between the crew, voice warning system "Altitude" everytime a huge swell came in is unbelievable.... Pat |
| Mobjack |
posted 10-30-2012 11:14 AM ET (US)
I don't make a lot of comments on here, but I can't help it. There is a lot of truth to the statement that a ship is safer at sea than at the dock. Living within fifty miles of Norfolk, seeing the exodus of large navy vessels from the southern Ches. Bay in the days leading up to a major storm event is quite common. HOWEVER, this is not the USS Enterprise we are talking about. The maps above show that four days ago, the Bounty was Approx. 80-100 NE of Cape Henry. At that point I have to think, would the prudent call not have been to put in to Norfolk? Anchored up in the Elizabeth River they would have had to deal with some significant chop- 3-6 feet- during the height of the event, and wind gusts to 60. There is a danger posed to any ship this size trying anchor near shore in a bad storm, but lets balance that against what they did instead: With ample notice of the projected path and intensity of the storm, they decided to put an underpowered 50 year old replica sailing vessel in twenty to thirty foot seas in an area that has gobbled more ships in the last three hundred years than any other area on the east coast of North America (with the possible exception of Sable Island), after passing up the largest and most protected natural harbor on the east coast of North America only three days before the storm. If everything had gone as planned, I am sure both the captain and the ship would have weathered the storm fine, the point of making decisions like this is knowing, it never goes as planned, i.e., if the power goes out in Hampton Roads, we've got an issue, but if the power goes out while we're in thirty footers in the graveyard of the atlantic, maybe we lose the boat and our lives. If making big league decisions with big league assets (ships) is all about risk assesment, I cannot for the life of me figure out the logic they used to project this being the safest course. When the original Bounty plied the seas, aside from Cape Horn, there was probably no area more feared by bluewater east coast sailors than Cape Hatteras. |
| jimh |
posted 10-30-2012 12:01 PM ET (US)
At this moment, it looks like the captain of the BOUNTY will be paying the ultimate price; he is still missing. However, miracles happen. I recently read a long narrative of a couple of guys who spent two days in the water in a storm like this, were ultimately found by air search, and lived to write about it. (Sorry, but the book title escapes me at this moment, but it is an amazing story of survival at sea.) |
| bluewaterpirate |
posted 10-30-2012 12:56 PM ET (US)
Anyone know this Whaler? Location somewhere in NJ. Tom |
| jimh |
posted 10-30-2012 01:03 PM ET (US)
Ouch--But I bet that big Boston Whaler CONQUEST hull is still sound. Maybe a bit of gel coat resin was scraped off, but otherwise I bet the Unibond Hull is still in fine condition. On Monday on THE WEATHER CHANNEL their live shot from Stonington, Connecticut, showed a really nice 50-foot sailboat riding at anchor in the harbor. I wonder if that nice sailboat survived. The marina was completely empty of boats. This lonely sailboat was out there on a mooring and riding out the storm. It looked like a high-end racer-cruiser, maybe a J-Boat. |
| Chuck Tribolet |
posted 10-30-2012 01:54 PM ET (US)
The MSNBC caption on that Whaler picture reads: "Residents walk along Broadway Avenue as they inspect damage from Hurricane Sandy in Point Pleasant Beach, New Jersey on Tuesday." Chuck |
| Sal A |
posted 10-30-2012 03:30 PM ET (US)
My house and town are just gone. Seen few pics. Won't let us on barrier island. Family safe though. RIP Normandy Beach |
| AK153 |
posted 10-30-2012 05:03 PM ET (US)
Sal, I'm sorry for your loss. I wouldn't want to imagine how you must feel. Please take care and let us know if you need anything. |
| jamesmylesmcp |
posted 10-30-2012 05:15 PM ET (US)
So sad, Sal sorry for your loss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIV_kOCjmBE&feature=youtu.be |
| jamesmylesmcp |
posted 10-30-2012 05:20 PM ET (US)
So sad, Sal sorry for your loss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIV_kOCjmBE&feature=youtu.be |
| Nails |
posted 10-30-2012 06:31 PM ET (US)
That's just awful Sal - but "these things too shall pass." Keep the faith. I tried to check out our little 15 footer in Manasquan this afternoon but couldn't get close. I heard that a good number of the boats at the marina where we have our slip floated onto Brielle Road (by the drawbridge to the Glimmer Glass) and are piled up on the street - a crane is scheduled for tomorrow to lift them out of the way. |
| andygere |
posted 10-30-2012 07:15 PM ET (US)
Sal, sorry to hear that news, it's really devastating. I've got family with a summer place in Lavallette, and another aunt and uncle with a home in Somers Point, don't know how they fared. As a former Jersey kid, it's hard to see the photos of all the storm damage. Take care. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 10-30-2012 07:17 PM ET (US)
I've lost my house and all contents. 53 years of stuff, lathe, milling machine, library, etc. In my van sleeping until I can get on the road to my big boat so I have a place to sleep. Found my 'Tauk and its trailer had floated over a chain link fence and a block away. Not damaged though. But the house is a bulldozer deal. I'm not even going to go back to pick thru anything. I'm cold, wet, muddy, and hungry. But I have Internet! Go figure.
In a parking lot someplace above the water. . |
| Peter |
posted 10-30-2012 07:17 PM ET (US)
I bought my new to me boat in LBI this past Summer. Just watched the video of LBI. Wow! |
| Jerry Townsend |
posted 10-30-2012 07:18 PM ET (US)
Sal - very glad that you and your family are fine. Hope, trust and pray that all of you and your families in the area impacted by Sandy are fine. While many of us have seen damage from some event - it is hard to fathom the damage and destruction this storm has caused. --- Jerry/Idaho |
| macfam |
posted 10-30-2012 07:32 PM ET (US)
Dave, So sorry to hear of your outcome. All the best to you in getting it all back together. Let us know if we can help. Bob |
| macfam |
posted 10-30-2012 07:36 PM ET (US)
Sal, So sorry to hear what happened. It's truly a tragedy. |
| AK153 |
posted 10-30-2012 08:05 PM ET (US)
Dave, I'm sorry for your loss. I can't conceive what you and Sal are going through. I feel for your families. I hope my parents are okay. They may have gotten lucky this time, we'll see. Take care and try to hold your head up. |
| lizard |
posted 10-30-2012 08:17 PM ET (US)
My sister-in-law's place in Hoboken has a full story under water, sewer breaches occurred and other people's sh*t is in everyone's homes. As fast at they pump it out, it comes back in. Curfew. Generator out of gas, no way to get out and get gas. Even if you could get out, no one is pumping it. The car floated away other's cars and boats are sitting out in front of their place. Power not likely to be restored for a week. Houses around hers are crumbling. Phones and mobile phones down. It is brutal and they flies haven't started yet. Went through my own waterfront storm some years back, took out the entire front of the house, got what was estimated to be 3000 lbs. of kelp in there. Flies showed up on the 2nd or 3rd day. You had to be careful about opening your mouth to talk, the air was so dense with them. Sal- so so sorry to hear that. I was trying to connect with you last night, I'll get in touch outside of here. In CT- Milford beach homes sustained a lot of damage, people who were ordered to evacuate didn't and things got ugly. |
| andygere |
posted 10-30-2012 09:06 PM ET (US)
Dave, sorry to hear that terrible news. I hope you can eventually rebuild/replace/recover. This one was as bad as it gets. |
| Russ 13 |
posted 10-30-2012 09:44 PM ET (US)
To those that have been impacted by the storm, our thoughts & prayers are with you. .. The decision to leave a Safe Harbor, and head into the path of a Hurricane out on the ocean, is NOT a good decision. Made even worse by the type of vessel, and her lack of speed. Hopefully they will find the missing Captain. They should have secured the Bounty replica in port, the decision to escape the storm by sailing into it, resulted in lives lost for no good reason. |
| Freddy |
posted 10-30-2012 10:02 PM ET (US)
Sal and Dave S. I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Good luck to both of you. |
| 17 bodega |
posted 10-30-2012 10:23 PM ET (US)
Dave, Sal, and all affected, I'm thinking about you guys and your families. This tragedy hits home much harder knowing many of us here have lives turned upside down. Dave, your comments about more than 50 years of your life and belongings hits hard. Bittersweet that your Montauk survived. Nothing any of us say can help but just wanted you to know you are in my thoughts, as well as others like Sal. Your short story was moving and I know there are thousands more with less happy endings. Steve |
| lizard |
posted 10-30-2012 10:52 PM ET (US)
Sutton- very sorry to hear of such a loss. Please be sure to let your Whaler community help, if you need really basic things. TRULY. Been through it once myself, in a less devastating outcome and have been through the complete loss of 5 friends houses in CA fires 2003 and 2007. If we need to start a PayPal account to help our conspirators on this site, I will volunteer to start it. For those who have never been through anything like this, you can't imagine what a decent pair of back up shoes or a clean fleece jacket means, or help getting the items in your wallet replaced, etc. Simple things are labor intensive. Thoughts out to all impacted, including my in-laws. |
| pete r |
posted 10-31-2012 12:39 AM ET (US)
Sal and Dave S. I'm sorry to hear about your terrible loss. Just letting you know I shall be thinking of both of you and hope you have the strength to overcome this horrible situation. |
| bluewaterpirate |
posted 10-31-2012 07:06 AM ET (US)
Sal and Dave ..... Keep the faith your in our thoughts and prayers. Tom |
| elaelap |
posted 10-31-2012 10:12 AM ET (US)
Sal, Dave & others in harm's way -- Our thoughts and hopes for a swift recovery are with you. Events such as this one put things in proper perspective. Best regards, Tony, Edie, Nicko & Katie |
| tjxtreme |
posted 10-31-2012 10:38 AM ET (US)
I am sorry to hear about everyone's losses, my thoughts are with you and the rest of those impacted. |
| poker13 |
posted 10-31-2012 11:24 AM ET (US)
There is a picture in a Yahoo News slide show of a large Whaler with twin 225s resting in the middle of Broadway Ave., Point Pleasant Beach, NJ. |
| poker13 |
posted 10-31-2012 11:25 AM ET (US)
The boat's name is "Cassidy". |
| Sal A |
posted 10-31-2012 12:26 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone. Love to all. Prayers for all those who want them. we are safe and I am thankful. |
| hauptjm |
posted 10-31-2012 01:01 PM ET (US)
Sal and Dave and everyone affected, Tough times make tough people. I've been where you are now and I promise it will get better. Keep your heads up and remember, your safety and your family's safety are what's most important. "Stuff" can be replaced! Good luck and keep us up on what's what. Aside: I'm trying to reach some friends from the Brant Beach, NJ area with no luck. I'm sure they evacuated, but it causes me concern, nonetheless. |
| arctic cruiser |
posted 10-31-2012 05:05 PM ET (US)
I can't imagine what you are going through after such a catastrophe, but you are in our thoughts. your neighbours in Canada |
| Jerry Townsend |
posted 10-31-2012 06:33 PM ET (US)
And another news report showed a nice Whaler named "Troll" in the middle of a road. Hopefully, all CW members in the area didn't have much damage to their boats. But, your families being safe is the most important. ---- Jerry/Idaho |
| swist |
posted 10-31-2012 09:12 PM ET (US)
Another "perfect storm" - 60 mph winds in here Maine with landfall in NJ 400 mi away. Storm is said to resemble a 1000 mile diameter noreaster with a hurricane embedded in its center. And then on top of all that, the strange Hi pressure system that caused the storm to turn due West after coming up the coast. I've seen a few smaller retrograde systems, but nothing even approaching this scale. |
| poker13 |
posted 11-01-2012 08:56 AM ET (US)
Anyone know how Oceanville, NJ fared? |
| bluewaterpirate |
posted 11-01-2012 09:12 AM ET (US)
Calling Tombro ..... anyone heard from him? Tom |
| Sal A |
posted 11-01-2012 12:01 PM ET (US)
Video of Sandy aftermath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7YQTjIaIeyM Areas you will see are Mantoloking, Brick, Normandy Beach, Chadwick, |
| weekendwarrior |
posted 11-01-2012 01:53 PM ET (US)
I am so sorry to hear of the loss of many of the people here. I have been through many hurricanes here in fl, but we did not have the wide spread damage from flooding that they are seeing up there. I donated some cash to the red cross, are there any other good organizations on the ground there that could make good use of donations? |
| Sal A |
posted 11-01-2012 01:59 PM ET (US)
One more link you may find useful. I was able to find my home and zoom in. |
| tombro |
posted 11-01-2012 03:46 PM ET (US)
I'm here! Just got back on the grid last night at 8:30, when JCP&L restored our power. No damage to house, just one small limb down. Was difficult being in the cold and dark for two night, but we had hot water and a fireplace. Played our requisite candlelight Scrabble games and increased our chocolate intake, LOL. I am able to work from home wherever I can access WiFi, which I was able to do from a local Starbucks yesterday. My office is in a campus building still without power. So, given that fact and the current gas shortages locally...I will not be traveling to the office until early next week. Now, regarding our 210 Ventura: Not a word from the marina, and the website is down, and their phones are out of service. I am not sure if the staff is OK, either. The marina lies in a mandatory evacuation zone, and I am monitoring the FB site for the local OEM offices. Hopefully we will know more tomorrow. I would not even hazard a trip down this early in the game. Sal--glad you are OK! Hope to see you on the bay sometime again. ~Tom |
| Mike Kub |
posted 11-01-2012 04:36 PM ET (US)
The term "keep the faith"has been used on this topic.One thing I have noticed is that in looking back some things that at the time seemed catastrophic, evolve into blessings.Little consolation at the time however.Dave's night in the van brought to mind a memorable night I spent in my truck with 2 dogs after Hurricane Ike.Peace. |
| PeteB88 |
posted 11-01-2012 06:39 PM ET (US)
Bad news Dave - sorry - if we were closer you could bunk at our place. Hang in. Our best to you. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 11-01-2012 07:08 PM ET (US)
I'm ok, after three days made it to Rhode Island and my trawler. She's ok. Have hot food dry clothes and a shower at last. Living in a van in the mud was no fun. Have 600 gallons of diesel, 300 gallons of water, a month + of food, and all I need aboard. Saturday I'm setting forth to take her to the Marina at Liberty State Park where I have arranged dockage for the winter. I've wintered aboard there before and it's about 45 minutes to "the site where my house used to be" so I can spend some time salvaging things. My 'Tauk *attached to its trailer* floated OVER my chain link fence and was found undamaged down the street in its wheels. Go figure. The funny thing... My first laugh... Opened the cutlery drawer in my ruined kitchen yesterday and it was full of water, with one miserably unhappy minnow swimming in the drawer over my fillet knife. You need to laugh or you'll cry.
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| tom976 |
posted 11-02-2012 01:36 PM ET (US)
I saved my 23 conquest from an unknown fate. I have been trying for a few weeks to get her hauled out. As all these guys were busy, I was going to let her ride it out in the slip with double lines etc at the marina in Oceanside, NY. In one of the last moments before the weather went down the toilet, a boat hauler called and said "I have time right now if you want to do it" Jumped at the opportunity and got her out in next to my house. Turns out others who did keep there boats in their slip returned to empty slips. Lots of boats ended up across the way on a golf course or on the marshes. I also went down to harder hit areas on LI. Boats in peoples houses, diesel and gas all over everything. Lots of destruction down there. I guess its the price you pay for living near the water and felt horrible for those folk who have to deal with the cleanup and rebuild. |
| themclos |
posted 11-02-2012 04:43 PM ET (US)
Sal, sorry to see the pictures of the Normandy Beach house. Glad to hear you and the family are safe. Dave, so sorry to hear of the loss of your home. Thankfully, you are safe. We consider ourselves fortunate to be dealing with the inconvenience of having no power (going on 5 days) and the daily search for gasoline. The trees we lost fell the right way, unlike the tree at my neighbor's house, which cut his house in half. Fortunately, they are all safe. We don't expect power to be restored for at least several more days. But, as I have told my kids, we are the lucky ones. Our home is standing, and we're all healthy. Dan |
| Sebash4 |
posted 11-02-2012 08:50 PM ET (US)
The folks on Staten Island do not have food, electricity, gasoline and many are freezing to death and I can't understand why the state and the Feds can't help them. What the he'll is going on ?? We dropped food and supplies into Germany at the end of WW2 and now we can't do the same for our on people. Elections are important but by god we need to take care of our people that are hurting. Somebody please tell me what can be done or how I can help. This is just not right, |
| elaelap |
posted 11-02-2012 09:14 PM ET (US)
Sebash, Curious that the mayor of NYC praised Obama And the Feds for their "extraordinary efforts" and announced that even though he is a Republican he's voting for Obama. I can guess where you get your news. Tony |
| Moose |
posted 11-02-2012 09:53 PM ET (US)
Some help with the news... the mayor of New York City has not been a Republican since 2007. He currently is an Independent. Good to see that he decided that dumping all that manpower and resources in to the marathon wasn't the best idea when so much help is still needed in many areas. |
| skinnywater |
posted 11-02-2012 10:23 PM ET (US)
Tony, based upon your response to Sebash we can tell you are a clueless moron without even having to guess. But, then again, you have proven that numerous times over the years with your political nonsense posts so you took all the guesswork out of it to begin with. I guess where you get your news everything is just hunky-dory, A-OK for the folks in Staten Island, Long Island and Jersey so nothing to see here, just like Obama's "extraordinary efforts" to get to the bottom of why his admin completely IGNORED the ball in Benghazi and provided every bit of information to the American people as it became available, riiiight.... well, this is gonna get deleted as it should anyway (as your post should also) so I'll go on: FACT - We provided a much quicker and more "extraordinary" Federal response to the Indian Ocean tsunami victims and the disasters in Haiti than we are to our own people who are in fact in dire straits while Bloomberg thought the best answer was to hold a marathon as scheduled so as not to inconvenience the folks who had already made plans and arrangements to come to the city for a sight seeing jog around the town... Why do we NOT have an air craft carrier group pumping fresh water, personnel [like medics, military police and combat engineers] and supplies like MRE's and fuel into the area, and sheltering those thousands of Americans in immediate need until we can get the thoroughfares and utilities back on line? I don't see any tent cities like we set up in Homestead after Hurricane Andrew, [Clue for you - just like Haiti and Indonesia, we were arriving there the very next day when they dispatched us from Lejeune]. FOAD toad. |
| wezie |
posted 11-02-2012 10:29 PM ET (US)
Dave, Great to hear you. Even greater to hear that your spare boat came through OK. You have been a very positive influence over the years. Your hands on, and can-do attitude is an inspiration to me and I am sure many you will never know. Very Sincerely, |
| lizard |
posted 11-02-2012 10:55 PM ET (US)
I refuse to delve into politics on this topic, because there politicians for whom I held little regard, who stepped up in this crisis. . I have to agree, it appears Staten Island has been forgotten. Our peeps in Hoboken finally got power at 3:30 this morning. Still no functional plumbing and still have OPP coming up into the tubs. No access to gasoline as trucks can't offload it without electricity and stations can't pump it either. I have heard some near riot conditions and guns being pulled in long gas lines. I can't figure out why there has been such a delay on Staten Island. Much of CT coastline still without power and the storm beating there paled in comparison to Jersey. Bloomberg blew it on the push to keep the marathon alive, It was a REALLY bad idea. Reportedly, the two generators (and they were huge) onsite to host the media could have powered 45% of Staten Island. Generators were NGO, privately funded, but someone behind the funds should have seen the need in SI and donated them there. Finally, there is a LOT of devastation and loss, and loss of life counts are increasing now that water is receding and they are getting into buildings. I think it is easy to go down the slippery slope of politics here but I think our focus is best served on those in need. TO THAT END- if anyone here has an immediate need for basics- food, shelter, clothing, contact with family, please, send me an email and I will assist as needed. This is not my first time around the disaster block. Confidentiality requests will be honored. I have been in contact w/Verizon corporate, which oddly, is in Union Cty, NJ. All throughout the past 2 days, Verizon customers in the affected areas are getting notifications that they are about the exceed limits. WHAT? I got my 3rd call about an hour ago (11 pm EST) from the Executive Director of Public Relations @ Verizon. Customers will hopefully be informed tomorrow that over usage, late fees, etc. will be forgiven for affected households. We are each capable of effecting change, even at the monster corporate level. Give it a try, I did. For the unaffected who are local to the area, the utility guys are getting egged and vilified for the absence of power, Line guys don't make decisions and many have been working for 5 days straight. Drop off some food, water, etc. as a means of hospitality, these guys are working hard. |
| Sebash4 |
posted 11-03-2012 03:49 AM ET (US)
Sorry Tony, this is not about politics ! My concern is for the people who can't get basic supplies just to survive. I've seen the reports of the suffering from every news agency so you can go ahead and wonder where I get my news. Frankly Tony, I don't give a damn what you think ! While you sit out there in your ivory tower I'm trying to find out about my friends up there that I can't contact and what I can do help the relief efforts. Enjoy your weekend ! |
| Sebash4 |
posted 11-03-2012 04:00 AM ET (US)
Thanks for your post Lizard, well said. Other than giving money to the Red Cross I'm at a loss as what I can do to help. I would welcome any suggestions you may have ? Now is the time for all of us to come together and help our neighbors.. |
| tombro |
posted 11-03-2012 05:24 AM ET (US)
Today's news is: -Power restored to lower east side of Manhattan Tom |
| Mambo Minnow |
posted 11-03-2012 07:49 AM ET (US)
Navy is sailing the WASP amphibious carrier strike group north toward New York in advance of any formal orders/mission tasking by the National Command Authority in anticipation of further orders. Ultimately, it is up to CIVILIAN leadership to task the military, particularly due to POSSE COMITATUS and what the Constitution directs. NORTHCOM is the working with Federal and State agencies to coordinate use of military assets. I have been involved with Humanitatian Assistance/Disaster Relief (HADR) operations myself overseas. It's a big part of the Navy's mission, as OPERATION TOMIDACHI after the Japanese earthquake/tsunami demonstrated. Most of the USCG personnel here in Boston, have already been sent to NYC area. We were there after 9/11. It comes down to LEADERSHIP. Think about that on Election Day Tuesday. |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-03-2012 08:17 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I was wondering where the Navy and Marines were. The Marines' amphibious LCACs and amphibious assault troop carriers could get to the folks trapped on the Barrier Islands and Staten Island from the sea, and they could have done it the next day, hell, they were already at sea. The big assault ships have multi-hundred bed hospital facilities that could be used as shelters for the people rescued from the islands. So, why didn't the NCA order them in? |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 11-03-2012 08:25 AM ET (US)
Well... At least I'm underway. EXPLORER will pass over The Race and into Long Island Sound in an hour. Tomorrow will find her at dock in Jersey City. It's a bit choppy but alls well aboard. Dave . |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-03-2012 08:30 AM ET (US)
Dave, Good to hear that you're underway, keep an eye out for debris, there should be lots of it floating around. |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-03-2012 08:36 AM ET (US)
More good news for the folks in the NE:: The National Weather Service's forecast center in College Park, Maryland, which watches winter storms, put out a long-range notice Thursday saying a nor'easter was possible for mid-Atlantic and New England states by Election Day through next Thursday. |
| wezie |
posted 11-03-2012 09:45 AM ET (US)
Dave and those working in the debris. You are working in a very putrid environment. The professionals know how to approach these situations. We amateurs are the ones that dive in and get hurt. Now that the storm is over, take care of yourselves. Respectfully, |
| MarthaB |
posted 11-03-2012 10:05 AM ET (US)
I am sure there are many other communities around the country that are sending in supplies and support. Here is what Traverse City Michigan did this week. http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=821046#.UJUw-o5tKVg This is the USA spirit. To the CW community hard hit by Hurricane Sandy, it's one day at a time. |
| 6992WHALER |
posted 11-03-2012 10:37 AM ET (US)
I think it is clear the Department of Defense is doing a lot. Maybe we Boston whaler enthusiast should stop second guessing the professionals. (One Republican Governor, One Independent Governor and one Democratic President) Lets not loose focus and turn this into politics let use this thread as a tool to keep us informed about our CW friends.
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| Robert V |
posted 11-03-2012 10:44 AM ET (US)
Dave and Sal, I only know you from posts on CW but please accept my wishes for a speedy recovery from this disaster. I am glad to hear your families are safe, at least that's something to be thankful for. My sympathy to others that have been affected, the pictures and videos are unbelievable in terms of devastation. There was a post regarding what we can do or donate (apart from Red Cross, of course) and I found a vendor that is taking donations. His name is Jim and his company is BOE Marine, an electronics dealer just outside of Annapolis, MD. He is taking donations of money, clothes, gas, gas cans, generators, etc. He is loading his truck and a 20' trailer and hauling it to a distribution site, once he has a full load. There is a Facebook page that has been set-up, by Jim at BOE, specifically for this effort. I recently purchased an e7D from BOE Marine and had a great experience, nice and knowledgable staff. Robert |
| themclos |
posted 11-03-2012 12:51 PM ET (US)
BOE Marine is a great source for electronics. Sounds like the guy who runs it is a good guy as well. Day 6 without power here. With the limited number of gas stations with power and gas, and those that have gas having extremely long lines and placing limits on the amount of gas you could purchase, and now the odd/even rationing happening - well I loaded the truck with all the gas cans I could find in my neighborhood and drove to Pennsylvania. Had to drive further than I would have expected, but $160 worth of gas later, we set for a few days. Much better than sitting in line for 2 hours, hoping there is still gas when your turn comes. We're in good shape and it is hard to describe how bad it is around here. Dan |
| Sal A |
posted 11-03-2012 01:33 PM ET (US)
No powe or trucks Chatham township (main home). Just got back from PA with gas. We are all safe. Dave sorry about union beach. I hear it is bad. Guards won't allow anyone on our barrier island. Friends went down by boat and have horror to report. We are lucky as it was a second home. It unfortunately was our retirement ticket, but there is always a plan by the big man. |
| Sal A |
posted 11-03-2012 01:33 PM ET (US)
No powe or trucks Chatham township (main home). Just got back from PA with gas. We are all safe. Dave sorry about union beach. I hear it is bad. Guards won't allow anyone on our barrier island. Friends went down by boat and have horror to report. We are lucky as it was a second home. It unfortunately was our retirement ticket, but there is always a plan by the big man. |
| tombro |
posted 11-03-2012 02:24 PM ET (US)
We found out today that our 210 Ventura did float off the lower rack she was stored on. No serious/structural damage, but only water damage. I was advised to file a claim, which is underway currently. We got off with only a scratch! Sal--your summer home was among the hardest hit areas! The flyover videos I have seen show what amounts to a bombed-out region. Unreal! Today we had business in Pennsylvania, and the gas attendants--just over the Delaware--are standing around looking for customers. As you approach the PA border in Mercer county, the NJ stations have a 5 or 10 minute wait, if any. |
| andygere |
posted 11-03-2012 03:26 PM ET (US)
I agree that holding the NYC Marathon is an incredibly dumb idea, if for no other reason than it clogs up the logistics of those trying to assist folks who have lost their homes, are without power, etc. Running the generators looks absolutely terrible under the circumstances, but the reality is that they don't provide all that much power. The typical household uses about 30 kWh per day, so an 800 kW generator could theoretically power 640 households. Staten Island has about 160,000 households. The problem is that these big mobile generators can't simply be hooked up to the grid to feed power, nor is it practical to run some type of temporary grid to serve homes. Perhaps a better use would be to provide some type of comfort station where folks could get a warm meal, charge batteries on their phones and have other basic needs provided. None of this provides any comfort to the people who are suffering from the impact of this storm, but media stories exagerating the possible benefits of this equipment only serves to sadden and anger those hurting the most. I admit I feel a bit helpless here on the west coast not being able to render any aide, short of donating to the Red Cross. I pray that in the hours and days that follow, the basic necessities will be restored to everyone, and they can begin the slow and painful process of putting back whatever pieces of their lives they can assemble. |
| Jerry Townsend |
posted 11-03-2012 04:46 PM ET (US)
The damage and impacts that so many have endured is most unfortunate. But, in probably the majority of cases, it is not the power source - but the getting the power to the cities and homes. That is, the nuclear plants were simply shut down or are sitting at critical (with no power being generated) as the power distribution system (lines, substations, transformers, et al.) were damaged or ruined. Operating the nuclear plants or bring a naval vessel in to provide the power doesn't do any good if that power cannot be distributed. One thing, in this scenario that really got my attention - an Alabama untility had sent 6 (as I recall) utility service/maintenance trucks and crews toward NY and NJ to assist in the repairs - and were stopped by the unions. I saw this on the FOX internet news. --- Jerry/Idaho |
| Nails |
posted 11-03-2012 05:14 PM ET (US)
Jerry: I heard that too, but I've seen crews from Texas, New Mexico, Alabama, Tampa, and other areas throughout the country working without interference here in Monmouth County, NJ. We are sincerely grateful for their help and hope they enjoy some well-deserved time off when they return to their homes and families. Tom |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-03-2012 05:38 PM ET (US)
It also happened to some crews from Georgia. |
| Nails |
posted 11-03-2012 06:00 PM ET (US)
Hoosier: You heard wrong, or maybe you heard right...but I believe what I've seen more than the rumors I hear and read. I have stated on this site before that I'm a resident of the state, I like it here, and my family (wife, sons, daughters-in-law, grandchildren) lives here. We easily have more Boston Whalers here than most other states (and more thoroughbred racehorses than Kentucky). It's a great place to live and most of the people are wonderful. By the way, my boat seems to have survived the storm, as all of the other Whalers at the marina. Quality construction is worth the premium we pay for our boats.
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| Nails |
posted 11-03-2012 06:34 PM ET (US)
I shouldn't have responded to Hoosier's comment, but I did, and I'm embarrassed. If anyone is interested, look up the Fox article from beginning to end and draw your own conclusion. No power, no heat, and no hot water has made me a little cranky. |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-03-2012 08:35 PM ET (US)
Nails, that's OK. I hope you can stay safe and get some relief. The weather guys are now predicting a Nor'Easter for early next week. If you can get out, get out. It's going to be a long haul. |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-04-2012 10:32 AM ET (US)
For those interested |
| jimh |
posted 11-04-2012 10:51 AM ET (US)
When I was a kid I saw a movie about power line workers, SLIM, which dates back all the way to 1937. It is a classic. It made an impression on me. It taught me that power line work was dangerous work. A year ago we had a little micro-burst storm take down the power lines on our block, and I watched the linemen repair them. Again, I thought it was really dangerous work. I was watching these guys work on poles in very difficult situations, handling hot wires, making splices, spending an hour hanging from a climbing belt. It is not work that most people could do, nor do most people want to do that sort of work. There is real danger all around these guys. Your average guy could not climb a pole with pole spikes, and he could not hang up there for an hour, working amid alls sorts of lines, and avoid electrocuting himself. Now I am reading that New Yorkers are throwing eggs at the power line workers, harassing them as they work, and the IBEW is trying to shake-down the out-of-state power line workers for Union dues. It is a strange world. If I were a power line worker, and I was told I was going to be sent to work 1,500-miles away from home, that I'd be away for a week or more, that I'd be working in really lousy conditions, and that the people I was going to help would be throwing stuff at me, and some trade unionists were demanding I pay them union dues, I'd think I say, "No thanks." I'd decline an offer like that. |
| Buoy |
posted 11-04-2012 01:19 PM ET (US)
Jim H - Please share your source when stating that "New Yorkers are throwing eggs at the power line workers". I googled and only found a single Connecticut incident. Thanks. |
| jimh |
posted 11-04-2012 01:23 PM ET (US)
I thought I read that in the discussion above. Heck, after a week without refrigeration who'd eat those eggs anyways? |
| jimh |
posted 11-04-2012 01:26 PM ET (US)
Ok--it was lizard who mentioned egg-throwing at power line workers. But I cannot believe that happened in Connecticut. I would believe that the servants who work for people who live along the shoreline in Connecticut were throwing eggs at power line workers, but you'd have to ask then if they were under orders from their employers. |
| Nails |
posted 11-04-2012 01:35 PM ET (US)
Well then, here is the Fox article that may be the source of the rumors: http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/11/02/union-red-tape-in-nj-causes-alabama-recovery-crew-to-head-home/ |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-04-2012 01:38 PM ET (US)
For those interested |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-04-2012 01:43 PM ET (US)
I don't know how that posted twice. I was using my BACK button and it must have found the original page and reposted. Oh, well. Did you guys hear the one about Bloomberg NOT letting NG into the Coney Island area because he wanted the NYPD to be the only ones with guns in the area. This whole thing is going from bizarre to surreal. |
| jimh |
posted 11-04-2012 01:49 PM ET (US)
ASIDE: I found this comment on IMDB.COM about the movie SLIM and the profession of being a power line worker:
quote: A tip of the hat to all those power line workers trying to get the electricity restored in New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut. |
| Sal A |
posted 11-04-2012 03:08 PM ET (US)
If there are any other Boston whaler forum members from Normandy Beach, watch these photos - maybe you can see your home. No one is allowed on the island. |
| L H G |
posted 11-04-2012 06:06 PM ET (US)
Aren't these the same wealthy ocean resort vacation home and luxury boat owners who aren't paying their "fair share", and need to have their income taxes increased? Don't they live just a little too well out there on the beach with their big fancy boats? According to what we hear, 50% of the country feels this way. Even after the inept handling of this on-going trajedy, to say nothing about the inept handling of Benghazi, according to the New York Times, the American people are going to vote to give these folks a second hit, TAXES. |
| themclos |
posted 11-04-2012 06:29 PM ET (US)
Larry, I won't take the bait. While there are plenty of well off people who have second homes at the shore, or large primary residences, the vast majority of homes along the shore are quite modest, and owned by middle class families of modest to average means. Many of these summer homes were purchased decades ago and are handed down to the next generation. Many are lived in by pensioners of modest means, with the homes being their only real asset. Clearly, with the growth along the nation's coastal areas it is a matter of when, not if, a major storm will hit. That doesn't make this disaster any less tragic. As for taxes, nobody knows them better than us in NJ. Dan |
| jimh |
posted 11-04-2012 07:45 PM ET (US)
I think L H G has the characterization wrong for shoreline residents, at least in the case of a place like Staten Island. The residents of Staten Island seem to be in need of some help and not getting any. My impression is they are mainly middle class working families with modest homes. They are probably all people who work for a living and pay their taxes, and they usually get no help at all from the government and don't usually need any special help in their normal everyday life. They're used to just paying taxes and getting very little in return other than police and fire, and a few non-toll roads, and maybe a ferry with a subsidized fare. Now with a hurricane and a natural disaster in their midst, these middle-class taxpayers on Staten Island thought they'd get a bit of help from the government--any form of government, federal, state, local. Perhaps their expectations were influenced by the big blow up following Katrina, where it was everyday news for weeks about how the government did not have immediate aid ready to go. The fuss about that may have raised expectations. The media had people whipped up into a frenzy over Katrina. Over Sandy, maybe not so much. Maybe if CNN had some pictures of elderly poor people standing on their roof tops with the water up to the eaves they could show over and over, those images would be useful as political fodder for the people not-in-charge to make a big fuss about the people in-charge and how badly they're handling the situation. I can't say if that's going on or not, because I don't watch the major media any more. I have not seen a single minute of broadcast news coverage of the aftermath. Just about everything I know about the aftereffects of the storm is from what I have read in this thread. But I don't think that everybody in Staten Island is a big wheeler dealer. Now folks who own shoreline property in Eastern Connecticut, that is a different story. They're probably more like the folks L H G is describing. |
| Dave Sutton |
posted 11-04-2012 08:01 PM ET (US)
Hey Larry: I'm right across about a mile of water from Staten Island. I lived about 200 yards from the beach in a town exactly like the ones there. The most common occupations here is plumber. Then carpenter. Then teacher. Then fireman. These are proud, hard working, upper blue collar towns. We vote, pay taxes, and never ask for much or get much in return for the taxes we pay. We are too rich to be poor, and too poor to be rich. And now thousands of *us*are homeless, hungry, and cold. I'm lucky... I'm able to sleep on my boat. Most of US are sleeping at the high school on the floor. You, Sir, are *way* out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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| DaveH |
posted 11-04-2012 09:50 PM ET (US)
This thread is absolutely disgusting how some are using it to for your own political views and posing rumor and fallacies. I opened it to find out what is happening on the front lines and the morons ( you know who you are) are ruining a real resource for those who are miles away I am driving up there this week to help my brother and his family who have been out of power for the entire time. Our family home which I grew up in has never had water inside from any hurricane despite being 75 years old. The house is inhabitable due to the flood of salt water destroying the first floor and all the utilities. It is cold they have no heat and they work all day until dark and walk to the gymkhana town to take showers. The entire south shore of Long Island is in shambles with millions of people in similar situations and all you folks can talk about is BS touted by Fox News and their Beghazi lies? You all should take a step back and kill this thread and start a new one dedicated to helping those in need. Some of you disgust me how selfish you can be. Give to the Red Cross and shut your our pie holes unless you have something- anything constructive to say. DaveH out.... |
| DaveH |
posted 11-04-2012 09:56 PM ET (US)
That would be gym not gymkhana what ever that is. Damn autocorrect! |
| fno |
posted 11-04-2012 10:05 PM ET (US)
Larry, you are an asshole!! no if's ands or buts about that. Keep the f'ing politics out of this!! |
| fno |
posted 11-04-2012 10:23 PM ET (US)
I forgot to mention when I responded to asshole Larry, that my dad who lives in Westfield, NJ. Not too far from Sal, by the way had three power trucks pull up in front of his house today to repair two busted power poles. He went out and said Hi and explained his problem (broken neutral cable to the house). These guys were from Illinois and had been in NJ since Sunday waiting to go to work after the storm. The foreman told three of his guys to fix Pops problem then work on the poles. He cooked them some hot dogs on his grill so they got some lunch. They had been on the job since 5:00 a.m. The people from the NY metro, NJ area are the toughest I know, but also the most compasionate, caring folks that do not hesitate to help not only neighbors but complete strangers. Many are in desperate need of basics right now and I wish I was there with a truckload of water, ice, gas, and beer. Somehow I think that beer is not in short supply.... In any case, the focus should be on how to help these people, not on the armchair quarterbacking coming from some in our little Whaler family. My hat is off to all those folks that travelled from afar to help the people of the northeast recover from this tragedy. Comments like LHG's only belitle the true nature of Americans, so my best advice(hard for me as I am a Jersey boy)is to just ignore him. |
| lizard |
posted 11-04-2012 11:05 PM ET (US)
My sister-in-law, Lisa, who lives in Stamford CT, witnessed utility line workers being egged outside her daughter's pre=school, 2 or 3 days ago. The guys were apparently from Missouri. Apparently their "accent" also angered locals. She drove to the nearest (gross) fast food place and bought a lot of burgers and sodas and took them to the line guys. She said all were extremely grateful. I understand that affected peoples are exhausted, overwhelmed, but egging and vilifying relief workers is disgusting. A nephew, by marriage, lives outside Hoboken, where his parents live. He went to a gas station on the NJ turnpike and said it was VIOLENT and out of control and he left with nothing, after several hours. When I talk to affected relatives, they aren't able to articulate needs yet, some are still without power, clean water, communications, etc. They are living in the immediate and are overwhelmed. Sebash- I don't have an answer for your question. IN GENERAL, cash to the Red Cross is the most effective solution. If I become aware of a discreet need any of us can meet, I will post it here. BTW, if you have not seen Sal's photos of the NJ shore, especially LB area, they look like a war zone. |
| lizard |
posted 11-04-2012 11:16 PM ET (US)
JimH- I think you meant to refer to WESTERN CT, not EASTERN. The money is in Westport, Fairfield, Darien, Greenwich, Wilton, Rowayton, etc. They are the closest hamlets to NYC, for those who have a LOT on money and don't want to live in the city (in other words, they would like a car, garage and a farmer's market). Strangely, Greenwich, which theoretically should have been hit hard, wasn't. Milford, East Haven (Cozy Beach) Woodmont, West Haven, Branford, etc. took a pretty good beating. |
| David Pendleton |
posted 11-04-2012 11:26 PM ET (US)
We are only one tank of gas away from Lord of the Flies... |
| lizard |
posted 11-05-2012 12:22 AM ET (US)
Well, David, we often find ourselves on opposites tracks, but I might concede, here, that you are correct. The difference is, in two days, we can change our path. I won't vilify your choices and vice versa. |
| 6992WHALER |
posted 11-05-2012 12:36 AM ET (US)
For you guys looking for some way to help. The Red Cross needs blood. They had to cancel over 300 blood drives on the east coast. We who are not on the East Coast could make a difference. Or we could just sit at our computers nice and dry in our safe houses and yell at each other like three year olds. |
| L H G |
posted 11-05-2012 01:00 AM ET (US)
Guys like FNO can call me any kind of names they like, but perhaps missed my point because I presented it poorly. For that, I apologize. First of all, I never mentioned Staten Island, my post was put up immediately after seeing the terrible devastation of ocean front homes in New Jersey linked by Sal. The thousands of wrecked boats visible are boats that I could not even afford to own. I have never been to any of these areas. Jim inserted the Staten Island stuff, not me. There the similarlity to New Orleans is staggering, and being handled just as badly from what I can tell. Secondly, I have great respect here for both Sal and Dave as contributors here, and feel terrible for what has happened to their homes, unrelated to any thing else. If any body objects to my remarks on what the election could mean for these shore & yacht owners, call me any dirty name that makes you happy. We all know how divided this country has become, including the political name calling, insults, mockery, etc, so FNO's post is right in line with what I'm seeing on TV and in the ads. But to tell me there's no big money along the Jersey and Connecticut shore in those photos seems incorrect, and I see nothing wrong with that. |
| Sal A |
posted 11-05-2012 07:25 AM ET (US)
I do not own the ocean front homes depicted in my pictures. I own this one tucked on the bayside, on a lagoon, and not bayfront. I am what I, and most of you, would consider upper-middle class. Regardless of what I am labeled, there are plenty better off then I am, and plenty worse. I make no apologies for my moderate level of success, and much larger level of hard work that allowed me to build a small business and live life on my terms, not in the employ of any large bank or institution, and allowed me to be able to speak my mind on issues I feel are important without any fetters. I will lose my retirement nest egg- a paid-for home that was to be my retirement ticket. Insurance, when it will pay, will do so at 1/4 of the value of the damage home, likely to be condemned, and 1/6th of what I paid. I am a lousy boater, a lousy writer, good family man, good friend, and love boating for the smiles it puts on my kids' and nephews' and nieces' faces. I am still without power for what looks like will be another 5 days at least. Here is my boat with the kids: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/TheMaryAlice/kidsonwhaler.jpg Here is my home before the damage: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/TheMaryAlice/P1010444.jpg It is about 2,600 square feet. Real nice. But no East Coast mansion. I posted on this thread to give links to pictures that might help other boat or homeowners in the area. I could care less about the politics of unions, republicans, democrats, independents, etc. America ceased being a democracy 25 years ago if I am generous, longer if I am realistic. An election is in two days, and as usual, this country is divided quite emotionally. Needlessly. No matter who wins... the banks, insurance companies, hospitals, lawyers, and pharmaceuticals will all win. Good luck to tombro, themclos, daveh, and the many other fellow forum members affected by this gift from mother nature. I think I won't post anymore on this thread. |
| Hoosier |
posted 11-05-2012 10:42 AM ET (US)
I agree with you Sal, take care and I hope you safely ride out the coming Nor'easter. LHG: What is the insurance process to deal with all those boats tossed about by the storm, some just dinged and others mangled. What about the boats pushed out of the middle of the road, and damaged, by govt. vehicles? |
| Sebash4 |
posted 11-05-2012 10:52 AM ET (US)
Sal A, I’m so sorry for your loss and will pray that you can rebuild your beautiful home. Lizard, Thanks for the info. I’ve already gave to the Red Cross and plan on giving blood tomorrow as I’ve heard they need that as well. As Americans we have always weathered all storms and we’ll weather this one as well if everyone pulls together. Thanks. Lee |
| Jerry Townsend |
posted 11-05-2012 11:20 AM ET (US)
Sal - I, and many others, are very glad that your family is safe and any damage can be repaired. Thanks for the information - very informative to all of us. And as I and many believe, this website is NO PLACE for petty politics - or anything other than credible, truthful, constructive information of value to the CW members. ---- Jerry/Idaho |
| andygere |
posted 11-05-2012 12:49 PM ET (US)
Natural disasters strike everywhere in in the world, and cause pain and suffering across the economic and political spectrum. To suggest than any person, group or class deserves it, does not suffer from the effects, or somehow should have seen it coming is just completely insane. |
| elaelap |
posted 11-05-2012 05:44 PM ET (US)
As usual, Andy, a voice of reason. Tony |
| jimh |
posted 11-05-2012 07:12 PM ET (US)
Yes, Larry, I brought up Staten Island but only differentiate it from your suggestion that everyone that was affected by the storm being some sort of wealthy coastal landowner. I just spoke up for the middle class folks on Staten Island. Heck, most of them are probably policemen, firemen, and EMT techs, so they were all out helping someone else. Where did I learn about Staten Island? From watching LAW AND ORDER, where else? No, Liz, I meant Eastern Connecticut. Yes, there are plenty of fat cats in Fairfield County--I used to live there myself but I was a thin (very thin) dog in those days--but on the Eastern end of Connecticut you have some real coastal property in places like Old Lyme, Saybrook, Mystic, and so on, and more open water for the storm to come ashore. |
| L H G |
posted 11-05-2012 11:05 PM ET (US)
"A good test of language content is to consider the website's contents to be the equivalent of polite dinner conversation in the presence of women, children, and clergy." |
| lizard |
posted 11-05-2012 11:11 PM ET (US)
Well, I am quoting you here, jimH "Now folks who own shoreline property in Eastern Connecticut, that is a different story. They're probably more like the folks L H G is describing." Well the facts are MOST of the CT shoreline are pricey and the other fact is many of these people have been in these homes for generations. It is true that eastern areas on the water are lovely and represent the affluent, but Saybrook is considered New Haven for all intents and purposes. In fact, other in-laws are right on the water there. IN the day, mid-late 80's, you could see Kathryn Hepburn in her little row boat, most mornings, going across her little part of the sound. That said, the money LHG refers to is WESTERN CT. |
| jimh |
posted 11-06-2012 08:02 AM ET (US)
Shoreline property has always been expensive and has usually resisted any tendency to lose value. There is an old saying about shoreline property: "They're not making any more of it." However, in the case of a major storm like SANDY, and based on some of the pictures showing the beach after the storm compared to before, it looks like in some places SANDY did make some new shoreline property by rearranging things. I am sympathetic to anyone whose home or boat or other possessions were damaged or lost or destroyed by SANDY, but--and this is a big qualification--if you live right on the coast of the ocean at sea level or a few feet above sea level on a sandy berm, you have to expect that once every 100 years or so there might be a storm of sufficient power to bring the sea right into your living room. There was a time when people did not build really expensive and really massive houses right on the beach of the ocean because they knew there was risk. I imagine there was a time when you couldn't get insurance on a home like that because the insurance people are no dummies--they knew they'd be taking a loss sooner or later, and being insurance people it is not in their DNA to lose money, they normally make money like crazy by insuring against risk by making people overpay for it. It is a simple fact that most of the people in the United States of America live near the coastline. I think the trend to live near the coastline has been growing in recent years. Nobody lives in a field in the middle of Kansas anymore, no one wants to live there, and the three people who do live out in that field wish they could move to the Outer Banks of the Carolinas and get a nice beachfront home. As a result, at the present day, no matter where some big storm comes ashore it is going to wipe out someone's home, sink someone's boat, and affect someone's life, perhaps more so now than ever before. And we all know why these storms are getting more powerful and more frequent, don't we? It is because some of you drove a big SUV in the 1980's or are still using two-cycle outboard motors with high-emissions. |
| jimh |
posted 11-06-2012 08:06 AM ET (US)
Good paper on the trend for people to live near the coast: http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/websites/retiredsites/natdia_pdf/ 3hinrichsen.pdf Here is a quote:
quote: |
| jimh |
posted 11-06-2012 08:22 AM ET (US)
By the way, I should have read that entire paper I linked above. The theme of the paper seems to be that we have an obligation to protect the coastline from the people, that is, we must control coastal growth to protect the ecosystem of the coastline. It really doesn't worry about protecting the people from the effects of living on the coastline. |
| fno |
posted 11-06-2012 08:35 AM ET (US)
First of all, let me apologize to all for my crude language the other night and contributing to the derailment of this thread. It was predicated by the conditions in the Northeast,the plight of friends and family up there suffering through this natural disaster not to mention a helping of liquor. I still do not see how politics, wealth, or lack of it should be of any concern right now, perhaps later when folks have recovered (or not). For the record Larry, I was not reponding to your political or social beliefs. I was merely describing what kind of person I think you are by how you carry your self on this website. Your comment about dinner table conversation is to the point. I would also surmise that the subject and content of said conversation should be subject to scrutiny. In other words, I doubt you would ever make it to my dinner table while expressing the beliefs that you do. I would like to think that in person you handle your words quite differently. |
| DaveH |
posted 11-06-2012 09:00 AM ET (US)
As of today: Still no power, natural gas, or heat since furnace is trashed Insurance adjusters have been elusive New storm on the way for Thursday Trying to obtain apartment for my brothers family - I think we have one soon. Cannot leave right now or house will be looted |
| tjxtreme |
posted 11-06-2012 09:14 AM ET (US)
Jim- The irony of your post is that you fail to realize the connection between ecosystem health and the health of nearby residents. The storm surge from Hurricane Katrina penetrated much farther inland, and with greater surge velocity, due to channels cut in the marshes. These channels and their nearby berms effectively funneled water up the estuary. To add insult to injury, decades of oil and gas access canals have caused wetland degradation. Resistance from wetlands reduces storm surge by about a foot every couple miles. Similarly, the mouth of the Hudson River had one of the largest oyster reefs in the world before it was picked clean. These oysters provide many benefits that coastal engineers try to mimic (and at great expense). Same for areas that used to be wetlands or dunes that now have people living on them. There are many parts of a healthy ecosystem that benefit nearby inhabitants. |
| contender |
posted 11-06-2012 10:07 AM ET (US)
I'm sorry for the storm, and the devastation it has caused, we get them all the time in south Fla (and a lot worst) but if you live on the coast and BELOW the water table you are going to be flooded sooner or later it just a matter of time. Next would be the building codes, I watch these reality TV shows that build homes in the North, and for the life of me I can not believe the lacking of building codes and construction practices that go on up there. Some of the construction on some of the homes its a wonder how any of them hold up in any storm. I know that not ever place is the same, but I really think a lot of common sense is lacking. If you look at the construction now of New Orlean, how many home that were below the water line are now built on stilts? And I have seen the same in the Ohio Valley and down the Mississippi, They flood, the houses are under water, they get rebuilt for the next flood, in the same place using the same construction. Someone needs to start thinking.... |
| skinnywater |
posted 11-06-2012 10:35 AM ET (US)
Hey, Let's turn Central Park into a FEMA trailer park [and hurry up with issuing those Hurricane Sandy debit cards so folks can get some smokes and fashionable Air Jordan's and then relax and do some post traumatic unwinding with an Adult beverage at Hooters and Scores] - oh, wait, wrong President - can the folks from S.I. just squat and 'occupy' Zuccotti Park for a couple months? Does that still come with catered food? (maybe rename Zucotti Park to Benghazi Park and the media will simply ignore it)? |
| jimh |
posted 11-06-2012 12:01 PM ET (US)
The environment of the coastal areas is an interesting subject and part of that is what exactly attracts people to live on the coast or to live in any area. In this regard I recall a conversation I had with my brother, about 45-years ago, after he moved to Colorado. After growing up in the flatlands of Michigan, he fell in love with the Rocky Mountains and the open spaces of the West. At that time the population of Colorado was growing rapidly and it was becoming a very popular place to move to. The influx of all the people from somewhere else tended to harm the appeal of Colorado. Who wants to live "in the West" if your next-door neighbor is in a tract home with only 15-foot side yards, just moved in from Brooklyn, and has a New York accent? Everyone, it seemed, wanted to be the last person allowed to move to Colorado so it would not be spoiled by all the immigration that was coming in the future. Maybe the coastal areas will experience the same fate. If 75-percent of the population of the USA is living within 30-miles of the coast (as predicted), then maybe living on the coast will cease to be as attractive as it once seemed. |
| Sebash4 |
posted 11-06-2012 12:13 PM ET (US)
For anyone that may be interested, below is a list of organizations that are helping with the relief efforts for our friends that have lost so much in the storm. The American Red Cross North American Mission Board Disaster Relief The Salvation Army Habitat For Humanity I believe that all of these are credible organizations. Thanks. Lee |
| 6992WHALER |
posted 11-06-2012 01:07 PM ET (US)
[URL]http://www.redcross.org/prepare/mobile-apps?goback=.gde_2990_member_179423101{/URL] Red Cross Hurricane App. |
| 6992WHALER |
posted 11-06-2012 01:08 PM ET (US)
http://www.redcross.org/prepare/mobile-apps?goback=. gde_2990_member_179423101 Red Cross Hurricane App |
| Buoy |
posted 11-06-2012 02:42 PM ET (US)
Dave H - It sounds like your brother's family is in Long Island but I'm not sure. If so, I also live in Long Island and would be glad to help out, perhaps with some temporary shelter and/or use of a generator. Shoot me an e-mail and let's chat. -Rob |
| DaveH |
posted 11-07-2012 12:40 PM ET (US)
Rob (buoy) Thank you for your kind offer. My brother got his natural gas back on last night and he finally signed a contract with an electrician to repair/upgrade the service. I do not know how much time they will need so the generator and some kerosene are in need I will email you with my phone and we can discuss. He and his wife need all the help we can muster. Talk to you soon. |
| elaelap |
posted 11-07-2012 03:01 PM ET (US)
Does anyone have any information about City Island? I lived there for a couple of years in the late '70's and fished the Sound in a co-worker's smirkless 16/17 Whaler...you never forget your first time ;-) Sure hope everyone's okay in that quaint, somewhat inbred location. Tony |
| hauptjm |
posted 11-08-2012 02:44 PM ET (US)
quote: "I ain't gonna live on Maggie's farm no more!" |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 11-09-2012 10:47 AM ET (US)
I'm back from a great road trip to Northern California. As we were driving down the Oregon Coast a couple weeks ago, we called my brother-in-law who was celebrating his birthday. He told of us this hurricane brewing that could theoretically hit Cape Cod where they live. For the duration of the trip we were not well connected but we followed the story of Sandy with increasing dread. My relatives on Cape Cod and further north suffered no damage and even my cousin in Brooklyn was OK with power throughout, though no phone or cell. While Sandy in no longer in the headlines, the clean up continues and (obviously) there are still many people without things they need, like shelter and heat. Please consider joining me in making some small contribution to a relief agency. The American Red Cross is as worthy as any and is doing some great work. For those with Paypal accounts, it could not be easier to give a little. PayPal has suspended all fees for donations and it takes just a minute to give securely. You can take your pick of many different organizations you might want to contribute too: |
| leadsled |
posted 11-09-2012 11:13 AM ET (US)
During the hurricane the NOAA Boston bouy 15 miles east of Boston recorded waves as high as 22+ feet and gusts to 55 mph. This named northeast storm that just passed recorded waves as high as 21+ feet and wind gusts to 54 mph but it was very windy for much longer than the hurricane. We were lucky and my 13 Whaler at the dock wore through the bow to the foam for about a foot width. Since when did they start naming northeaster's before they hit ? This last storm was named Athena. |
| Flee Market |
posted 11-09-2012 02:06 PM ET (US)
With respect to the recent non-hurricane named Athena, the Weather Channel is naming big winter storms this year: http://www.weather.com/news/why-we-name-winter-storms-20121001 |
| swist |
posted 11-10-2012 09:18 AM ET (US)
The Weather Channel makes its money by hyping the weather. A lot of uninformed people (not likely anyone on this board) like some members of my family seem to think it's some "official" source, whatever that means, of weather information. Until NOAA starts naming Winter storms, I don't think the Weather Channel has any credibility. But you can see why they would like it - "Here's Jim Cantori in the middle of ATHENA'S fury" as opposed to "Here's Jim Cantori in the middle of the storm at 71 deg 34 min longitude and 41 degrees 19 min latitude." |
| Sal A |
posted 11-13-2012 09:25 PM ET (US)
This is a little pictorial video I made of Normandy Beach post Hurricane Sandy: |
| Jerry Townsend |
posted 11-13-2012 11:01 PM ET (US)
Sal - thanks for the video - very informative. Kinda glad I am in Idaho. As you mentioned - your beach and shore areas are, and will be "no more" - for a long time. And good luck with your home and boat - but hopefully you could see only minor damage. --- Jerry/Idaho |
| tombro |
posted 11-14-2012 09:18 AM ET (US)
Sal, that is a great compilation. I have not been there in years, as my time is spent in a mainland bayside marina. Can't imagine how to even begin the cleanup there. Tom |
| Liteamorn |
posted 11-14-2012 01:35 PM ET (US)
Wow Sal, thanks for taking the time from what HAS to be a busy schedule to post this. I hope things are moving forward for you and your family. Ed |
| L H G |
posted 11-14-2012 06:20 PM ET (US)
From the insurance perspective: http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/ 522758-boatus-hurricane-caused-650-million-in-damage |
| Ridge Runner |
posted 11-14-2012 07:21 PM ET (US)
I know we've been inundated with pictures of all the damage from the storm, but these seem to be the clearest of them all. This page had the largest, clearest photos of Seaside, etc mixed in with other areas. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225865/ Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Shocked-Obama-flies-Atlantic-City-disaster-zone. html |
| tjxtreme |
posted 11-14-2012 08:19 PM ET (US)
quote: I stopped reading when the first sentence said Irene was the most destructive storm since 1966. |
| andygere |
posted 11-15-2012 11:37 PM ET (US)
Sal, those photos really tell the story: utter devastation. So sad to see those communities so broken, the homes destroyed. A lot of dreams and memories were wiped out in a heartbeat. |
| The Chesapeake Explorer |
posted 11-19-2012 09:23 PM ET (US)
To all those that have been hit hard by Sandy we feel for you, Even today 3 weeks later there are people out of power and its a long way to go to recover and some never will,a really miserable experience and tragedy. In Fredericksburg Va where I am at it blew maybe 45 mph and some rain most marinas on the Chesapeake and Potomac were cleared out as much as possible and all in all here at least it was nowhere as bad as Isabelle. Sal A ,Dave Sutton, others who suffered large losses hang in there. It could happen anywhere on the East Coast of the US and the Gulf and has, I,m hoping not to see any more big H-canes but thats a long shot. |
| crabby |
posted 11-23-2012 06:44 PM ET (US)
I live on Long Island, NY on a canal about 15 homes away from the Great South Bay. Had about 15 inches of water inside (first time in the house in 30 years here), managed to get a line around a telephone pole as the 22 outrage came off the blocks so it just settled in the road (and got pushed into a driveway on the morning tide; too much debris at the end of the canal to get it into the water). The Montauk some how avoided the huge decks that floated past it (it was cross tied in the middle of the canal). We were lucky (rode it out in my next door neighbor's upstairs bedroom as a huge debris field filled ); folks down the block lost a heck of a lot more, and although my area has been in the media there were MANY areas hit MUCH worse. I want to send a shout out to the many volunteer groups that helped out in our area: Red Cross (I'm still eating out of their lunch wagons) Crisis Response International (don't know who they are but they have been providing a LOT of assistance) Our local churches (and some not so local)(I am not a church going person but will start doing some payback work when I get back in sorts) Our local PTA (here in Lindenhurst they set up a huge relief effort) Unknown volunteers that came out of everywhere providing assistance and supplies. The National Guard (I have finally unloaded the double barrel I kept next to me every night; every block had it's own watch "committee") and the NY State Police and Suffolk County Police department had a welcome presence The US Army had a brief but welcome presence in our area lending a helping hand in moving debris Our local village and town governments have been very supportive, along with hired contractors running heavy equipment to clear and clean streets Although they sometimes get bad press, the FEMA workers have been great. And all of the utility workers I wish the best to all of you who were affected by the storm, and thanks again to all who have helped. --Paul |
| Sal A |
posted 11-24-2012 05:12 AM ET (US)
We have been busy cleaning! First floor will be gutted today. |
| Robert V |
posted 11-24-2012 09:25 AM ET (US)
Nice work Sal! My back hurts from just looking at that pile of stuff. Hopefully things will start to get back to normal for you, best of luck with the restoration, keep us "posted"! Robert |
| Ridge Runner |
posted 11-24-2012 10:05 AM ET (US)
Sal, Is the Whaler in the recycling bin? I'll stop buy and pick it up off the curb... :) |
| Sal A |
posted 11-24-2012 11:53 AM ET (US)
Ha. Ridgerunner... I think they may total the boat, but I am willing to bet that aside from a few hull scratches she will start right up! Heck - the engine is less than a year old, with maybe 30 hours, and she does not look banged up. She sure wasn't submerged. If they do total her for my agreed-upon policy, I may buy a cheaper smaller boat that will draft less. I am thinking the bay has a lot of new sand, and is shallower than it used to be. |
| Sal A |
posted 11-24-2012 12:02 PM ET (US)
I need a shower now... http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/TheMaryAlice/normandyjunk.jpg |
| elaelap |
posted 11-24-2012 08:09 PM ET (US)
Yikes, Sal! If they total her, negotiate a very modest salvage value and keep her yourself. Your carrier doesn't want that boat, especially after she's been totaled. Drop me an email, old friend, and we can walk through this. Tony |
| Nails |
posted 11-24-2012 09:07 PM ET (US)
Hey Sal: It's good to see you're back posting updates. Sorry to see your losses, but it's all just stuff anyway. Nice to see the "boys" there helping out. |
| Ridge Runner |
posted 11-25-2012 09:54 AM ET (US)
Sal - I might be selling my 2005 170 Montauk with the 2010 ETEC 115HO. Let me know if you might be interested. With my kids in college we just don't use it that much. She is in FL in my garage. I'm thinking of bring her up to NJ to sell in the spring. The motor is warrantied until 2015. Joe |
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