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ThatZip posted 07-23-2013 04:23 PM ET (US)   Profile for ThatZip   Send Email to ThatZip  
Greetings. We just purchased a nice 1988 27 Full Cabin and were seeking advice from those more erudite than ourselves concerning camping aboard. How do you set up your cabin for sleeping two adults? Share you extensive knowledge with two novices, please. Many thanks.
home Aside posted 07-23-2013 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Check the search feature or go back into the Trips/Rendezvous threads, lots of naratives on trips, camping aboard, etc

Pat

jimh posted 07-23-2013 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I made the following changes to the cabin of our REVENGE 22:

--made a new V-berth filler panel that creates a Queen-size berth

--removed Porta-Potty from cabin

Make sure your hatches are in good shape, can be opened and held in position, and have screens.

Depending on the climate you boat in, consider having a small fan available to move air into the cabin on warm nights.

David Pendleton posted 07-24-2013 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The biggest thing you're going to have to contend with is heat.

I camp solo on my 23 Conquest and I use two 50° sleeping bags, the lightest weight ones I could find. I like the flat style bags, not the mummy style. I sleep on top of one and under another. Likewise for pillows. I use the lightest, synthetic-filled pillows I can find. I installed a 12V cabin fan to keep air moving.

When selecting bedding (or clothing for that matter), always go with synthetic materials. They're lighter, easier to clean, and dry much faster than cotton. The only thing this doesn't work for is towels. In many of the pictures of our trips on this site, you'll likely see a towel draped over my hardtop frame somewhere. Usually for days on end, waiting for it to dry...

Make sure your screens are all in good condition. Sleeping with bug dope on is no fun.

You didn't mention if your boat has a generator or air-conditioning. You can buy a "portable" air-conditioner that sits in a deck hatch. Honda makes small, quiet generators that you could either connect to your shore power (if you have it), or use extension cords. Be careful about where you run a generator when you're sleeping. Most folks around here run them on a swim platform.

Use the head and/or shower in the mornings or during the day. This will keep the cabin air drier (if that's even possible in S. FL) for sleeping, and cut down on odors. Learn how to take a Navy shower. Keep the hatches open, especially when underway.

Replace all your incandescent bulbs or fixtures with LED equivalents; you're going to want to have lights on while below and incans generate heat. Your batteries will thank you for it, too.

Install strategically-placed 12V receptacles for charging phones and the like. Invest in an inexpensive, cupholder-type inverter for powering small electrics. Learn what kind of batteries you have and what their Amp Hours (Ah) rating is. Learn how to calculate the electrical draw of all the stuff you want to run at night and make sure your batteries are adequate.

I've learned a ton of things over the years about camping on board, not just about being comfortable below. I'm sure others will contribute, but if you'd like to know anything more, just ask.

jimh posted 07-24-2013 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Dave--Those are all good points.

Having a cigar lighter power socket is very important. I just installed one a few years ago. They are essential to re-charge cellular telephone or tablets. Many small 12-Volt devices expect to be powered from a cigar lighter socket.

After our last week of boating--it was over 90-degrees every day--we are looking for a better fan. A fan that runs on 12-Volt DC but comes with a 120-Volt AC adaptor is very versatile. You can run the fan on shore power if at a marina dock, or run it from your House battery is out in the wild.

jimh posted 07-24-2013 09:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
To repel bugs we often burn a scented candle or use a slow-burning coil of bug repellant. I remember one night when moored near a swampy area the mosquitoes were so thick the noise of a swarm of them buzzing outside the cabin was keeping us awake.
Plotman posted 07-24-2013 05:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
I would add a USB port as well - virtually all cell phones charge this way and you don't have to worry about bringing a charger.

I just installed one in my truck - great addition.

http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Dual-Charger-Socket/dp/B0082CXEI8

jimh posted 07-24-2013 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Plotman--Excellent idea! I have the poor man's version: a gizmo that plugs into the cigar lighter socket and has a USB connector. The only problem is remembering to bring it.
pete r posted 07-24-2013 07:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
I now have a small solar panel with USB connector as another stand by source of power charge my phone and camera battery.
I also carry a small jump starter for extended camping.

I have done alot of camping in the outback of Aus and I learnt over time not to rely on one source of power.

dfmcintyre posted 07-24-2013 07:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Expanding on Jim's and Dave's excellent tips:

When we remove the potty in the evening, I also remove the portside swivel seat, and set it between the post and the cabin wall. The seat goes outside the canvas backdrop. Just make sure to cover the top of the now exposed greasy, really greasy post with a plastic bag. I store the bag under the cushion of the removed seat. Otherwise you end up with black, greasy O ring on your right forearm....wondering the next morning how in the hell that ended up there. BTDT.

If the canvas does not fully protect or secure to the boat, I use long strips of cheesecloth that is pre-soaked in RAID. Stuff the strips along the cracks.

Regards - Don

JMARTIN posted 07-25-2013 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
How much water do you carry and what does it taste like out of the tank? Can you heat it up?

John

David Pendleton posted 07-25-2013 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
The capacity of my water tank is 25 gallons. How much water I carry depends on the characteristics of the trip.

For example, an Isle Royale trip involves a crossing of 25+ miles (depending on destination). For calm conditions, I will leave the tank empty and fill it when I get to the island. If it's going to be anything other than calm, I will fill it to capacity. My fuel economy suffers, but the boat rides a bit better. For other trips, like the Apostles or North Channel, I keep it as full as I can.

Also, I don't drink the water in my water tank. It is only for the fresh-water washdown and I usually keep bleach in the water, so it's not exactly potable or palatable. I use it for bathing, washing dishes, and keeping the deck clean.

I carry 4 gallons of drinking water in plastic containers. I either replenish at a potable water source (like a marina), or I filter the lake water. I'm currently using a Katadyn Hiker water filter.

David Pendleton posted 07-25-2013 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
To answer the second part of your question: no, I don't have a water heater.

If I need hot water, I use a single-burner Coleman dual-fuel stove.

When crusing/camping with a group, someone always has a stove going for breakfast and dinner, so it's never really a problem.

ThatZip posted 07-31-2013 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Greetings all,
I thank you all for your most informative answers and helpful comments, much appreciated indeed. David, I especially appreciate your multiple and very useful observations.
Indeed, our boat has A/C. (functioning, but needing the ducting to be reattached) and a water heater (not working, needs replacement, but the pump is working), with a 50 gallon water tank, I believe. I have been advised to sterilise the tank using chlorine tablets, followed by multiple flushes before use.
Great suggestions regarding obtaining 12V. and USB. outlets, which we certainly shall do, along with a fan and LED. bulbs. It can be very hot and humid down here in southern Florida at night!
Another question: how is the cabin set up for sleeping? There appears to be a V-shaped couch, with small projections beneath to support some form of flat support, to create a double bed. However, there is no such removable base present, unless I just have not discovered it yet. So, what am I missing?
Thanks again.
David Pendleton posted 07-31-2013 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Glad I could help.

You are correct. There should be a "filler" platform for your V-berth. Yours was probably made out of teak or mahogany. Mine is made out of starboard.

There may be a special place for storing it and you just haven't discovered it yet. Perhaps someone will chime-in and solve the mystery.

If it is indeed missing, you probably have a lot of options for replacing it. I'm sure Mike at Nautical Lumber could fabricate one for you ( http://nauticallumber.com/ ).

Regarding your water tank: I use plain-old (unscented) bleach in mine. I don't drink it, so I usually have bleach in there all the time.

Hoosier posted 07-31-2013 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
You haven't mentioned your "sanitary" system. Since you are in the ocean you are not subject to the same NO DISCHARGE regulations as us guys in the Great Lakes are. Make sure your macerator pump is in top shape and carry the necessary holding tank chemicals that are legal where you're going. CHECK THE REGULATIONS, you sure don't want a $100K+ fine for dumping some poop...
martyn1075 posted 08-01-2013 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
quote:
CHECK THE REGULATIONS, you sure don't want a $100K+ fine for dumping some poop...

That's a lot of money!

[Scatalogical pun deleted--jimh]

David Pendleton posted 08-01-2013 11:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Funny how the "No Discharge Areas" prohibit you from discharging untreated waste from an MSD, but say nothing about you going over the side.
jimh posted 08-02-2013 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
For heating water I use a Jet-Boil. The Jet-Boil is extremely fast to heat water for coffee making. See

http://shop.jetboil.com/index.php/zip-cooking-system.html

Our present boat does not have a fresh water tank. We carry one-gallon jugs of water. We freeze four of them into solid ice before a trip, and use them in the food and drink cooler as ice. As they melt, they become drinking water and are replaced by block ice we buy along the cruise. We usually carry at least three more one-gallon jugs, unfrozen, and use that for drinking water in the first few days of the trip.

ThatZip posted 08-02-2013 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Many thanks again for your assorted comments and advice.
Indeed, we have not managed to locate any such filler platform for our V-berth and we can see no-where such a large slab of wood might be stored. So, any suggestions as to where we might look? Where is the usual storage location for such things?
We do have a functioning macerator system and always add a suitably approved sanitation chemical to our holding tank. We certainly never would consider discharging in prohibited waters and we do not want to incur any such poop fine, absolutely!
Incidentally, one never should freeze drinking water in plastic containers. Search on-line literature and you will see why this can cause the release of potentially toxic chemicals from the plastic in to the water. We use bottled water for drinking and the on-board water purely for washing up, etc. only.
Thanks again!
home Aside posted 08-02-2013 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Is there a table top in the cuddy that is designed to drop down as the filler for sleeping?
ThatZip posted 08-02-2013 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
There is a round table on a plinth, which can be moved from the stern deck to the cabin and vice verca.
silentpardner posted 08-02-2013 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for silentpardner  Send Email to silentpardner     
There was a mahogany filler piece and a rod that's fits across the two blocks mounted on either side of the opening it covers between the settee sides in your cabin. I don't know how your cabin was configured, but my Whaler 27 FC has a closet to the left as you descend the stairs into the cabin. Inside this closet, there are actually blocks of wood that hold the filler piece in place in the closet at the bottom of this closet. If it is there, it will be folded in half, (the mahogany filler piece is hinged and actually 2 pieces of flat table type wood held together by these hinges), and on edge in this closet. The metal rod or tube should also be in this closet, but it might be laying in the shelf around the sides of the V-berth.

As soon as I can, I will get a picture of all this posted somewhere for you to look at. For now, stand in front of the stove, face the bow, and look at the opening you have there in the V-berth to the floor. Remove the table top so you can see. There should be some wood blocks positioned around the inside of the opening just below where the cushions sit on the V-berth settee. There should be 2 blocks that have a cutout in them for placing the rod/tube across the front of the opening, and there should be some more of these type blocks placed at the same height around the opening. You place the bar/tube in the grooved wooden blocks in the at the front of the opening, then fold open the insert piece and lay it over the blocks and the rod in front. Then you place the cushions over the insert to fill in the berth for full size bed. If you don't have those cushions, someone has apparently lost them prior to your purchase, and they will also have to be replaced. I have a picture of the V-berth in the settee with table, and also with the complete berth set up on my page at Whaler Central and this should link you to that from here if Jimh does not object.

http://www.whalercentral.com/infusions/personal_page/view_personal_page.php?user_id=22039


Hope this helps, I can get measurements and dimensions for all the components the next time I am at the boat if you need them.

jimh posted 08-02-2013 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re freezing water in plastic bottles: See

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/plasticbottles.asp

As far as I am concerned, the greatest threat to freezing water in a plastic bottle is the chance the bottle will crack.

However, in that same vein, never begin your cruise on a Friday. Cf.: http://pacificoffshorerigging.com/nautical_superstitions.htm

silentpardner posted 08-02-2013 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for silentpardner  Send Email to silentpardner     
Just put up several pictures to illustrate this post.

http://www.whalercentral.com/infusions/personal_page/view_personal_page. php?user_id=22039

ThatZip posted 08-05-2013 01:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Many thanks for the comments, recommendations and pictures, especially from "Silentpardner" (by the way, might you have an owner's handbook, which you would be willing to scan or copy for me?), very informative and much appreciated. Now, I have a far better idea of what to look for and where to look. In our cabin, as one descends the stairs, the small galley is to the left and the head to the right, but I cannot recall seeing a closet there to the left also. I recall there might be a small one at the top of the steps on the left though. Currently, the boat is in for some basic service work (new impellers, lower unit fluids, sea-cocks, etc.), so I shall be sure to look carefully when she is returned...
silentpardner posted 08-10-2013 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for silentpardner  Send Email to silentpardner     
That small closet is there at the top of steps to the left just as you recall. Be sure and check there for all the needed equipment, the hinged bed board and support rod is supposed to be kept there, and you might find the missing cushions there as well! Good Luck with the search, I certainly hope you find this equipment somewhere.

If you can't find the needed conversion equipment, I would take measurements for the board and rod and have one built for sure. Trying to sleep without the filler in a rolling sea would be hard for me to do without this. If you need dimensions for the three cushions covering the filler board, I will be happy to measure mine for you.

I have posted a LOT more pictures of the interior items on my NEW Flickr page linked below. If you go to that page, the 15th picture is taken while I am laying on the bed looking out to the stern with the cabin door open. Those are my big feet there, but you can clearly see the closet at the top of the stairs where you exit the cabin to the helm area. The closet is opposite the electrical panel.

[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/99787852@N06/[url

I have the Owner's Handbook, but it does not cover what you are asking about, unfortunately. It is in a loose-leaf type notebook, and is really not specific to the full cabin model that we have, but is a general manual for All the Whaler 27's. Makes interesting reading, but I found it to be very vague on details. It does contain information on locations of plugs... I will scan this and try to post it somewhere for you ASAP.

silentpardner posted 08-10-2013 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for silentpardner  Send Email to silentpardner     
I am sorry, got distracted and did not complete that link...
here it is again, correctly posted, I hope :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/99787852@N06/

ThatZip posted 08-13-2013 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Dear "Silentpardner",
Indeed, many thanks for your excellent and thoroughly useful pictures. Your boat definitely looks to be in mint condition and you clearly take very good care of her. We recently purchased ours and got her for a very good price: $10,000! She had been owned for the last many years by the same family and used for boat camping by them many times. She is in quite reasonable condition for her age and price, but we still have some considerable work ahead of us, certainly before she ever might begin to approach the condition of yours. She has twin Evenrude 225 outboards, Garmin GPS, Fish-finder, VHF, etc. and hopefully will turn out to be a good purchase...
Yes please, I definitely would appreciate copies of any relevant documents which you might be willing to share and I would be happy to cover any costs, of course. Just let me know. We live in southern Florida and our boat is to be kept in Key Largo. We are hoping to collect her from the marina who is servicing her this weekend, if possible...
All the best and safe voyages!
silentpardner posted 08-13-2013 03:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for silentpardner  Send Email to silentpardner     
We got real lucky finding this one, it was a freshwater use only boat that was on Lake Michigan it's whole life. I am having new engines and electronics installed on it currently, so mine is also in the shop! The pictures you see I took with it there. Hopefully all work will be completed next week and I can get it to the coast for engine break-in and electronics and autopilot setup. I will get that Whaler 27 manual copied or scanned as soon as I have some time and be sure and make it available to you. I think maybe Jimh might be able to post it somewhere on the site after scanning, I bet we aren't the only two Whaler 27 folks needing a peek from time to time :)

I will post pictures as the progress continues and update my links to Flicker, but check back there from time to time, I plan on keeping my pictures public there. If there are any specific pictures you need for reference, don't hesitate to ask, I can take them as required. My email is [email]jlmjr@austin.rr.com[email]Drop me a note anytime, might be the best way to get the written material to you.

ThatZip posted 09-13-2013 10:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Finally (!), collecting the boat from the repair yard on Monday, weather permitting, after they have had my boat for two months (!), to be followed by the long voyage from Pompano down to Key Largo...
Managed to have a peek in that locker at the top of the stairs, on the port side, but sadly, no sign of the missing cabin bed conversion items, just some life-jackets and A/C. equipment.
So, "Silentpardner", might you be able to send me the precise dimensions of your own triangular wooden piece, which fits in the gap between the seats and provides the bed base? Once I have these, I can visit a good nearby timber yard and have a suitable piece cut, from which to create my own bed base and using a detachable plinth, cabin table also...
By the way, did you receive my e-mail and have you ever managed to scan the original owner's manual, etc? These definitely would be most useful references.
Many thanks again.
weekendwarrior posted 09-13-2013 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for weekendwarrior  Send Email to weekendwarrior     
Be sure to have working CO and smoke detectors inside!
silentpardner posted 09-14-2013 12:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for silentpardner  Send Email to silentpardner     
Aw, MAN! I was just down there today checking on the repower and the electronics upgrade! I could have gotten that set of measurements for you...I will get them as soon as I can.

I did take some more photos, one of them was specifically that open closet we discussed...a lot of pictures of the wiring behind the helm and in the stern compartment. We are getting the batteries and 12 volt system done today or tomorrow. I got some pics from inside the bathroom cabinets that I had never seen as well, had to use a flash to get a pic to look at them.

I need some help with the mounting backboards that you see on the helm for the Garmin MFD's on the helm and the ignition switch panel. These backing plates are both made of white starboard, and that color just doesn't cut it, in my opinion. I tried to make contact with the Whaleboard manufacturer from their website to get the correct color, but they have not responded so far. I will try them by phone next week I guess, unless someone can direct me to an easier way to correct this glaring defect.

Here's todays pics : http://www.flickr.com/photos/99787852@N06/sets/72157635505480963/

ThatZip posted 09-17-2013 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Great, many thanks! Once I have these measurements, I can have a piece of timber cut to those precise dimensions. Please remember to include the thickness, as well as the other dimensions. What kind of timber is your made from, by the way? I shall try to buy a detachable plinth, so that this piece also can be used as a cabin table, when it is not being used as a bed base.
Your boat work looks fabulous and I wish that my vessel could be even close to that level of equipment, not to mention condition! Mine is in good overall condition for the price which I paid, but I definitely have a lot of work ahead of me in order to bring it up to your condition...
Indeed, let me know, once you have copies of the handbooks, etc. available, which will be most useful as references.
Many thanks again!
ThatZip posted 09-19-2013 02:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
P.S. Daft question, I know, but how do I switch the fuel flow selection to the two engines between the three tanks?
Thanks again!
Brian7son posted 09-19-2013 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Brian7son  Send Email to Brian7son     
It appears that you have lots of good suggestions. I just have one simple one related to lighting.

One thing that I've do inside the cabin of my Boston Whaler Conquest is to install those cheap circular LED lights that stick on anywhere. They're powered by triple A batteries and you just push the circular light to turn them on. You just peel off the backing and stick them on.
These are not expensive or marine grade LED lights. They are just cheap interior lights that cost about $5.00 a pair and you can get them at WalMart, etc. Think of them as disposable.

While I have factory lights in my boat, inside the cabin, the dome lights can get hot fast. I put one light in the head and 4 around the shelf that surrounds the V-berth (2 on either side, flush agaisnt the side wall facing upwards). They give off the perfect amount of light for you to see anything inside the cabin at night. They last a long time and they generate -0- heat. They also make it look nice inside the cabin at night, nice ambiance. If you have no A/C, the last thing you want to do is heat up the cabin.

I have a genset and an A/C, but you'd be surprised how hot the factory lights can make the cabin when both are on for 30 minutes or more.

Have fun camping.

ThatZip posted 09-20-2013 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Great suggestion, thanks. Indeed, I certainly shall be purchasing some of those cheap, round LED lights now!
So, any other inexpensive helpful suggestions from anyone...???
ThatZip posted 09-26-2013 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
So, any luck with the bed base dimensions and handbooks?
Managed to work out the fuel selectors, despite the previous owner's best efforts and the removal of their labels!
Now, I just need to work out which filler fills which tank, because the switchable fuel level gauge seems not to be working correctly.
Thanks again.
ThatZip posted 10-09-2013 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThatZip  Send Email to ThatZip     
Boat's electrical system is such a mess and little actually appears to be working, including many instruments and navigation lights! Really, owners with no electrical knowledge should not be allowed to tamper with the system!
Incidentally, discovered to my cost that the cockpit's instrument panel actually is not brushed aluminium, but cheap painted plastic...
Hoping to have a cabin bed filler piece made soon, once I confirm the dimensions...
So, which fuel filler actually fills which tank? The fuel gauge on the panel seems not to be working properly either...
Thanks and be safe.
andygere posted 10-09-2013 01:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I use the inexpensive round LED lights in my cuddy and in my console, and they work very well. In the cuddy, I've retrofitted the the back of them with a circular piece of heavy duty adhesive backed Velco, using the hook side of the material. They stick and hold very well to the factory headliner in my Outrage Cuddy, and it allows you to move the lights around to where you need them the most, and they install with no other fasteners. I bought the Velcro circles at my local hardware store.

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