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mdono posted 09-02-2013 08:48 AM ET (US)
This is one heck of a video........
Waiting to see how the DC Police handle this one.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/273242/373/Caught-on-cam-DC-Police-boat-smashes-into-two-vessels-in-Georgetown
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RevengeFamily posted 09-02-2013 09:04 AM ET (US)
Nice!!!
And these are our well trained police personnel???
I hope a drug test was promptly performed on the Captain of the police boat...
If any of us had caused such a collision we would have been in cuffs!!!
Norm
Jefecinco posted 09-02-2013 10:18 AM ET (US)
When I was stationed in the area in the seventies DC boat registration was handled by the DC Marine Police. They were easy to deal with and always helpful. Registering a boat was more like a social call than a bureaucratic nightmare.
Their patrol area included the Potomac and Anacostia Rivers. They also patrolled the Potomac down to the George Washington Bridge in Alexandria and responded to emergencies to my knowledge as far South as Lorton, VA. They were good guys who took enforcement seriously but did not harass boaters.
As we used to say, "One aw shucks erases a hundred atta boys." But, I think it's unfortunate to judge decades of fine service on a single very regrettable accident.
I wonder about the mind set of folks that like to pile on when an accident or lapse of judgement involves law enforcement personnel. What is their agenda?
Butch
Binkster posted 09-02-2013 11:27 AM ET (US)
("When I was stationed in the area in the seventies") Doesn't law enforcement usually give active duty military people a break?
I don't have any "agenda", but doesn't public safety come first even when handling an emergancy? Looks like the cops were swhowing off, and their prop took off the side of the boat. Pretty dumb. I wonder how much high speed boat handling training they have.
rich
2manyboats posted 09-02-2013 11:45 AM ET (US)
Not to pile on, Butch, but this one guy driving the boat either did this on purpose( which I doubt) or it was an accident. But even with the short video it is clear the boat was traveling towards the dock at a high rate of speed, so the operator is clearly not qualified to operate a boat and this then reflects poorly on his supervisors for allowing him at the helm.
I wonder what became of the persons in the water emergency he was responding to, as he clearly didn't respond to the call. Did he sink the boat and let them drown ?
Jefecinco posted 09-02-2013 07:07 PM ET (US)
I'm not trying to defend the actions of the operator. I am trying to defend the DC Marine Police. Clearly the operator was incompetent and lacks the judgement to be doing the job he was doing and just as clearly his supervisor is also wrong. That, of course, assumes the accident was not caused by a steering or other malfunction.
When folks jump all over the law enforcement community when one of the community does something wrong and inexcusable I find that offensive. A bad soldier does not make a bad Army. Comments like, " if it was you or me we'd be in handcuffs" or "now the cover up begins" and similar statements indicate to me that someone has an innate distrust and contempt for law enforcement in general and I wonder why. I'm probably over sensitive as I believe there is a certain respect between military and LE folks.
Rich, Perhaps LE people give military people breaks but in my experience those breaks are pretty rare. I did get out of a speeding ticket from an Alabama State Trooper in 1995 when I told him I had no excuse for speeding and I was in uniform at the time. The trooper was notorious in this area for nailing people so maybe the uniform and lack of whining helped.
Anyway, no offense intended.
Butch
David Pendleton posted 09-02-2013 11:28 PM ET (US)
It's still way too early to determine what actually happened. The video is pretty clear, but a lot of details are missing.
I'm going with operator error at this point, but we just have to wait and see what they (the investigators) come up with.
wezie posted 09-03-2013 02:22 PM ET (US)
They hit that boat hard enough to kill you had you been aboard.
There was only one boat moving in this picture. Jeez it was the cops!
Tohsgib posted 09-03-2013 02:34 PM ET (US)
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/273242/373/ Caught-on-cam-DC-Police-boat-smashes-into-two-vessels-in-Georgetown
Jamesgt727 posted 09-03-2013 02:56 PM ET (US)
Had lunch there late July at Tony & Joes, saw the crazy pirate ship with the water cannons too. I've never seen a sober miscalculation of that magnitude! Maybe a breathalyzer is in order.
jimh posted 09-04-2013 09:18 AM ET (US)
Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
hauptjm posted 09-04-2013 03:30 PM ET (US)
Interestingly, this past weekend with heightened patrol for the Labor Day weekend crowd, I watched a Mississippi Wildlife & Fisheries patrol boat, hook a full speed 180 degree turn, in the middle of the river, in front of several following vessels in a very crowded section of boats. If it were not for the astute drivers around him, he would of hit several boats. This was a similar boat to the one in this article in size and capability.
As an aside: the driver was so arrogant in his response to almost causing a disaster on the river he was paid to guard, that he simply turned again (180 degrees) at a high rate of speed, then proceeded to weave in and out of the boats that came to rest or slowed down because of his previous misdeed. I was traveling in his original and eventual direction and watched him for several miles traveling up the river and there certainly was no emergency.
Conclusion: Since this has been something I have witnessed in several States (TX, LA, MS, AL, FL to name a few), I think there are many law enforcement officers on the water that need REAL boat handling training. And this crosses from USCG, to State and even local enforcement. Sorry to generalize, but it happens way too often!
L H G posted 09-04-2013 10:40 PM ET (US)
Those cops simply didn't know how to handle all that Mercury Verado power.
David Pendleton posted 09-05-2013 02:16 AM ET (US)

quote:
Those cops simply didn't know how to handle all that Mercury Verado power.
Or a squirelly Safe-Boat hull...
jimh posted 09-05-2013 06:51 AM ET (US)

quote:
Those cops simply didn't know how to handle all that Mercury Verado power.
Or, perhaps the power steering concealed the real force being applied to make the turn.

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Author	Topic: DC Cop Boat Crash
mdono	posted 09-02-2013 08:48 AM ET (US) This is one heck of a video........ Waiting to see how the DC Police handle this one. http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/273242/373/Caught-on-cam-DC-Police-boat-smashes-into-two-vessels-in-Georgetown M
RevengeFamily	posted 09-02-2013 09:04 AM ET (US) Nice!!! And these are our well trained police personnel??? I hope a drug test was promptly performed on the Captain of the police boat... If any of us had caused such a collision we would have been in cuffs!!! Norm
Jefecinco	posted 09-02-2013 10:18 AM ET (US) When I was stationed in the area in the seventies DC boat registration was handled by the DC Marine Police. They were easy to deal with and always helpful. Registering a boat was more like a social call than a bureaucratic nightmare. Their patrol area included the Potomac and Anacostia Rivers. They also patrolled the Potomac down to the George Washington Bridge in Alexandria and responded to emergencies to my knowledge as far South as Lorton, VA. They were good guys who took enforcement seriously but did not harass boaters. As we used to say, "One aw shucks erases a hundred atta boys." But, I think it's unfortunate to judge decades of fine service on a single very regrettable accident. I wonder about the mind set of folks that like to pile on when an accident or lapse of judgement involves law enforcement personnel. What is their agenda? Butch
Binkster	posted 09-02-2013 11:27 AM ET (US) ("When I was stationed in the area in the seventies") Doesn't law enforcement usually give active duty military people a break? I don't have any "agenda", but doesn't public safety come first even when handling an emergancy? Looks like the cops were swhowing off, and their prop took off the side of the boat. Pretty dumb. I wonder how much high speed boat handling training they have. rich
2manyboats	posted 09-02-2013 11:45 AM ET (US) Not to pile on, Butch, but this one guy driving the boat either did this on purpose( which I doubt) or it was an accident. But even with the short video it is clear the boat was traveling towards the dock at a high rate of speed, so the operator is clearly not qualified to operate a boat and this then reflects poorly on his supervisors for allowing him at the helm. I wonder what became of the persons in the water emergency he was responding to, as he clearly didn't respond to the call. Did he sink the boat and let them drown ?
Jefecinco	posted 09-02-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) I'm not trying to defend the actions of the operator. I am trying to defend the DC Marine Police. Clearly the operator was incompetent and lacks the judgement to be doing the job he was doing and just as clearly his supervisor is also wrong. That, of course, assumes the accident was not caused by a steering or other malfunction. When folks jump all over the law enforcement community when one of the community does something wrong and inexcusable I find that offensive. A bad soldier does not make a bad Army. Comments like, " if it was you or me we'd be in handcuffs" or "now the cover up begins" and similar statements indicate to me that someone has an innate distrust and contempt for law enforcement in general and I wonder why. I'm probably over sensitive as I believe there is a certain respect between military and LE folks. Rich, Perhaps LE people give military people breaks but in my experience those breaks are pretty rare. I did get out of a speeding ticket from an Alabama State Trooper in 1995 when I told him I had no excuse for speeding and I was in uniform at the time. The trooper was notorious in this area for nailing people so maybe the uniform and lack of whining helped. Anyway, no offense intended. Butch
David Pendleton	posted 09-02-2013 11:28 PM ET (US) It's still way too early to determine what actually happened. The video is pretty clear, but a lot of details are missing. I'm going with operator error at this point, but we just have to wait and see what they (the investigators) come up with.
wezie	posted 09-03-2013 02:22 PM ET (US) They hit that boat hard enough to kill you had you been aboard. There was only one boat moving in this picture. Jeez it was the cops!
Tohsgib	posted 09-03-2013 02:34 PM ET (US) http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/273242/373/ Caught-on-cam-DC-Police-boat-smashes-into-two-vessels-in-Georgetown
Jamesgt727	posted 09-03-2013 02:56 PM ET (US) Had lunch there late July at Tony & Joes, saw the crazy pirate ship with the water cannons too. I've never seen a sober miscalculation of that magnitude! Maybe a breathalyzer is in order.
jimh	posted 09-04-2013 09:18 AM ET (US) Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
hauptjm	posted 09-04-2013 03:30 PM ET (US) Interestingly, this past weekend with heightened patrol for the Labor Day weekend crowd, I watched a Mississippi Wildlife & Fisheries patrol boat, hook a full speed 180 degree turn, in the middle of the river, in front of several following vessels in a very crowded section of boats. If it were not for the astute drivers around him, he would of hit several boats. This was a similar boat to the one in this article in size and capability. As an aside: the driver was so arrogant in his response to almost causing a disaster on the river he was paid to guard, that he simply turned again (180 degrees) at a high rate of speed, then proceeded to weave in and out of the boats that came to rest or slowed down because of his previous misdeed. I was traveling in his original and eventual direction and watched him for several miles traveling up the river and there certainly was no emergency. Conclusion: Since this has been something I have witnessed in several States (TX, LA, MS, AL, FL to name a few), I think there are many law enforcement officers on the water that need REAL boat handling training. And this crosses from USCG, to State and even local enforcement. Sorry to generalize, but it happens way too often!
L H G	posted 09-04-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) Those cops simply didn't know how to handle all that Mercury Verado power.
David Pendleton	posted 09-05-2013 02:16 AM ET (US) quote: Those cops simply didn't know how to handle all that Mercury Verado power. Or a squirelly Safe-Boat hull...
jimh	posted 09-05-2013 06:51 AM ET (US) quote: Those cops simply didn't know how to handle all that Mercury Verado power. Or, perhaps the power steering concealed the real force being applied to make the turn.