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Ridge Runner posted 10-28-2013 06:02 PM ET (US)
Announced today: http://www.evinrudenation.com/owner-zone/ the-first-outboard-engine-built-specifically-for-pontoons/ ?utm_source=OctobereNewseBlast&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Link& utm_campaign=Newsletters
OMCrobert posted 10-29-2013 01:57 PM ET (US)
Great marketing as always from Evinrude. The marketing and videos are best in the industry.
Having reviewed the new pontoon offerings, I would say that it is a lot of hype for a different lower unit that competitors have been offering for a long period of time. Evinrude created a demand and market like this in 1993 with the Ocean Pro series.
Evinrude create the hype and then people like they must own it. Great marketing, not so innovative.
L H G posted 10-29-2013 02:51 PM ET (US)
A new "Bigfoot" pontoon engine with on-deck oil tank! The implication seems to be that the conventional Evinrude 90's have a harsh, vibration problem that 4-strokes do not have. Pontoon boats can be rattle traps with 2-stroke engines.
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........................
The 4-stroke Mercury and Yamaha "Bigfoots" came out 20 years ago, also for the pontoon boat market, and they don't need any oil tank at all, whether on the engine or on deck.
The new Mercury 4-stroke 150 EFI, and the Yamaha 150, are also being sold on higher HP pontoon applications. I guess Evinrude thought they had better try and get in this game before it's too late.
Almost out of nowhere in the last few years, pontoon boats have become large sellers, and Mercury and Yamaha have owned the market, both in new and re-power situations.
jcdawg83 posted 10-31-2013 08:20 AM ET (US)
LHG, you should simply change your name to "I hate Evinrude" or "Evinrudehater".
Seriously, your obsession with bashing Evinrude borders on a mental illness.
Peter posted 10-31-2013 08:49 AM ET (US)
"I guess Evinrude thought they had better try and get in this game before it's too late." -- Larry
A year ago, I spent a week at Lake George, NY which has a fair number of pontoon boats. Evinrude was already "in this [pontoon] game" up there with their regular E-TECs.
Now Mercury is going to have do something to get "in the game" because a 1.7L, 4-cylinder, 4-stroke 115 HP powerhead turning a propeller through a 2.33:1 ratio will be no match for a 1.7L 4-cylinder, DFI 2-stroke 115 HP powerhead turning a propeller through a 2.44:1 ratio. The Mercury would decisively lose a pontoon boat tug of war. (We all know how much Larry loves the Evinrude tug of war videos). ;)
onlyawhaler posted 10-31-2013 01:18 PM ET (US)
Great job by Evinrude
Of interest to me are two things on this particular engine.
Evinrude has a more cushioned motormount on this model than all its other engines. I have never heard of an Evinrude owner complain of vibration so this goes beyond the realm of no complaints to an even smoother feel by up to 40%. I am thinking that perhaps pontoon boats have a lot more metal joints, fittings, rivets, screws vs. boats we are used to and one loose rivet may rattle and become a irritation. Good smart move there for Evinrude
Second is the remote oil tank. In addition to the undercowling tank, the second oil tank makes a combined total for close to 100 hours of use with no added oil. That's also a smart move as adding oil for some people is a hassle and an objection and for most boaters this means possibly a few years of use with no adds. Good move.
Whats most interesting to me is that Evinrude/BRP still is refining the E-tec brand and remains committed to a two stroke in the outboard market when, if they wanted to, they could pump out a 4 stroke with ease as they do on many of their other products and which they do well including water craft.
They stay on board with DFI/Two stroke in the outboard because they believe in this particular market nitch, its better.

Sterling
Onlyawhaler
Keeper posted 10-31-2013 01:28 PM ET (US)
For what it's worth . . . I've pretty much almost written off this website cause this clown LHG is such a buzzkill.
Internet message boards are quickly becoming a thing of the past, as there are so many other platforms available now.
This site has always been a great 'content based' forum which is why I frequented it.
LHG I know this will get deleted as it's a straight attack at you personally . . . but I hope you read this before it does . . . seriously dude... get a life. I mean c'mon . . . are you really that lame with nothing better to do?
Does your chick know you put this much effort into being such a moron?
I'd be lynched in my community for acting like such an idiot.
Go put a coat of wax on your Merc cowling you Barney !!!
L H G posted 10-31-2013 04:04 PM ET (US)
Jim - please, do not delete Keeper's post. I don't mind the attack at all and think it should stand. We have already heard similarly from Dave Sutton, and I would like to hear from some more. It would really get things moving around here. If I have to bear responsibiliy for loss of readership such as Keeper, jcdawg83, and Dave, I will. Nor will I respond, and not futher aggrivate the Evinrude complaints. Just let them have at it. It could be informative and great reading. Actually, in addition to Classic Whalers, perhaps metal pontoon boats and the engines to power them can become a nice, official, additional topic here.
Peter - What's with your continual attacks on Mercury?
Don't confuse Mercury with me. Attack me instead. I could care less and don't even get tired of it. I always enjoy your posts. Even though you don't own Whalers, you keep things interesting and informed around here.
Jefecinco posted 10-31-2013 06:20 PM ET (US)
On the Alabama Gulf Coast there are several large fleets on pontoon boat rental outlets. I believe the addition of a 100 hour external oil supply readily filled by rental outlet employees will be very useful. A short turn-around-time is useful in the boat rental business.
Please ignore any errors, as of yesterday I'm operating on one hand due to a cast.
Butch
jimh posted 10-31-2013 06:45 PM ET (US)
It is a bit premature to be able to pronounce the new Evinrude E-TEC Pontoon Series engines as having vibration problems. Perhaps one ought to purchase one of them, put it on their pontoon boat, and go for a ride. Out of hand dismissal by reviewers that have probably never been on a boat powered by any E-TEC, let alone powered by the new Pontoon Series E-TEC outboard engines, seem to me cavalier. It smacks of prejudgement and suggests some prejudice.
The newer DAUNTLESS boats from Boston Whaler are approaching the big party boat market, coming to it from the fishing boat end of the scale. ("End of the scale...fishing boat": get it, a pun! Oh, maybe you got it without me telling you, you saavy readers.)
jimh posted 10-31-2013 06:49 PM ET (US)
ASIDE: Butch--even one-handed your write more accurately than many others.
Peter posted 11-01-2013 07:05 AM ET (US)
Larry -- if comparing a model of one brand of outboard motor to a model of a Mercury branded outboard motor or suggesting that Mercury has to do something to a particular model to match what another brand has done to their model of outboard motor is an "attack" on Mercury, then guilty as charged.
But keep in mind that you invited the comparison by being the first to mention MERCURY as you do and have done in amost EVERY Evinrude E-TEC thread probably for the last 10 years. Unlike others, I think its great that you do that because, for example, everytime someone now searches for information about a MERCURY outboard for a pontoon application, you link EVINRUDE E-TEC information to that query such that a person that previously only considering a Mercury 150 EFI for pontoon boat will now be lead to information on the Evinrude E-TEC 150 for pontoon applications. You may think you are doing Mercury a favor but because Evinrude is smaller you are really doing Evinrude a greater favor. So I say keep up the good work.
Sterling -- I share your observation and further add that that BRP probably has the broadest reciprocating piston internal combustion technology in its house and yet they do not deploy that for a 4-stroke outboard motor powerhead. I think part of why they don't is because they have relatively easy to scale, emissions compliant, performance differentiating 2-stroke DFI technology that others just don't have.
jimh posted 11-01-2013 10:29 AM ET (US)
One aspect of owning a pontoon boat and having an E-TEC Pontoon Series engine that will differentiate it from the pontoon boats powered by Brunswick Mercury branded FOURSTROKE engines will be quite obvious around this time of the year. The pontoon boat owner with the Mercury-brand FOURSTROKE will be out in a cold November weekend trying to change the oil in his engine, or he will be hauling it to his dealer to have the dealer perform the oil change and other required service.
The location where I keep by boat stored in the winter is at a dealer who sells a lot of four-stroke-cycle engines. When I visit the dealership at this time of year I see a yard full of boats with four-stroke-cycle engines--many of them pontoon boats--getting the engine oil changed. I always make clear when i take my E-TEC-powered boat there for storage that it's marked "No Winterization", so the techs don't try to change its oil.
On my last visit there was a huge pontoon boat, about a 24-footer, on a rather impressive trailer. This thing was so tall on the trailer that the technician was using a step ladder to get up to the Mercury-brand FOURSTROKE to change its oil. That is quite a difference from an Evinrude-made E-TEC Pontoon Series engine.
Also, when underway, much of the time pontoon boats are just idling along at low speed. The fuel economy of the E-TEC Pontoon Series engines is spectacular at low speed, and is typically double the fuel economy of a four-stroke-cycle engine. So that is another significant advantage of the E-TEC in the pontoon boat market.
Marsh posted 11-04-2013 08:03 PM ET (US)
Jim:
You make an excellent point about the oil changes. My neighbor's pontoon, powered by a Mercury 90 two stroke, has settled in for the winter, all covered snugly in its slip. My Whaler, powered by a 115 four stroke Mercury, still awaits its annual haul out for an oil and filter change. The weather is cold, the water is low, and right now I kinda admire my neighbor.

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Author	Topic: Evinrude introduces new Pontoon Series Engines
Ridge Runner	posted 10-28-2013 06:02 PM ET (US) Announced today: http://www.evinrudenation.com/owner-zone/ the-first-outboard-engine-built-specifically-for-pontoons/ ?utm_source=OctobereNewseBlast&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Link& utm_campaign=Newsletters
OMCrobert	posted 10-29-2013 01:57 PM ET (US) Great marketing as always from Evinrude. The marketing and videos are best in the industry. Having reviewed the new pontoon offerings, I would say that it is a lot of hype for a different lower unit that competitors have been offering for a long period of time. Evinrude created a demand and market like this in 1993 with the Ocean Pro series. Evinrude create the hype and then people like they must own it. Great marketing, not so innovative.
L H G	posted 10-29-2013 02:51 PM ET (US) A new "Bigfoot" pontoon engine with on-deck oil tank! The implication seems to be that the conventional Evinrude 90's have a harsh, vibration problem that 4-strokes do not have. Pontoon boats can be rattle traps with 2-stroke engines. ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........................... The 4-stroke Mercury and Yamaha "Bigfoots" came out 20 years ago, also for the pontoon boat market, and they don't need any oil tank at all, whether on the engine or on deck. The new Mercury 4-stroke 150 EFI, and the Yamaha 150, are also being sold on higher HP pontoon applications. I guess Evinrude thought they had better try and get in this game before it's too late. Almost out of nowhere in the last few years, pontoon boats have become large sellers, and Mercury and Yamaha have owned the market, both in new and re-power situations.
jcdawg83	posted 10-31-2013 08:20 AM ET (US) LHG, you should simply change your name to "I hate Evinrude" or "Evinrudehater". Seriously, your obsession with bashing Evinrude borders on a mental illness.
Peter	posted 10-31-2013 08:49 AM ET (US) "I guess Evinrude thought they had better try and get in this game before it's too late." -- Larry A year ago, I spent a week at Lake George, NY which has a fair number of pontoon boats. Evinrude was already "in this [pontoon] game" up there with their regular E-TECs. Now Mercury is going to have do something to get "in the game" because a 1.7L, 4-cylinder, 4-stroke 115 HP powerhead turning a propeller through a 2.33:1 ratio will be no match for a 1.7L 4-cylinder, DFI 2-stroke 115 HP powerhead turning a propeller through a 2.44:1 ratio. The Mercury would decisively lose a pontoon boat tug of war. (We all know how much Larry loves the Evinrude tug of war videos). ;)
onlyawhaler	posted 10-31-2013 01:18 PM ET (US) Great job by Evinrude Of interest to me are two things on this particular engine. Evinrude has a more cushioned motormount on this model than all its other engines. I have never heard of an Evinrude owner complain of vibration so this goes beyond the realm of no complaints to an even smoother feel by up to 40%. I am thinking that perhaps pontoon boats have a lot more metal joints, fittings, rivets, screws vs. boats we are used to and one loose rivet may rattle and become a irritation. Good smart move there for Evinrude Second is the remote oil tank. In addition to the undercowling tank, the second oil tank makes a combined total for close to 100 hours of use with no added oil. That's also a smart move as adding oil for some people is a hassle and an objection and for most boaters this means possibly a few years of use with no adds. Good move. Whats most interesting to me is that Evinrude/BRP still is refining the E-tec brand and remains committed to a two stroke in the outboard market when, if they wanted to, they could pump out a 4 stroke with ease as they do on many of their other products and which they do well including water craft. They stay on board with DFI/Two stroke in the outboard because they believe in this particular market nitch, its better. Sterling Onlyawhaler
Keeper	posted 10-31-2013 01:28 PM ET (US) For what it's worth . . . I've pretty much almost written off this website cause this clown LHG is such a buzzkill. Internet message boards are quickly becoming a thing of the past, as there are so many other platforms available now. This site has always been a great 'content based' forum which is why I frequented it. LHG I know this will get deleted as it's a straight attack at you personally . . . but I hope you read this before it does . . . seriously dude... get a life. I mean c'mon . . . are you really that lame with nothing better to do? Does your chick know you put this much effort into being such a moron? I'd be lynched in my community for acting like such an idiot. Go put a coat of wax on your Merc cowling you Barney !!!
L H G	posted 10-31-2013 04:04 PM ET (US) Jim - please, do not delete Keeper's post. I don't mind the attack at all and think it should stand. We have already heard similarly from Dave Sutton, and I would like to hear from some more. It would really get things moving around here. If I have to bear responsibiliy for loss of readership such as Keeper, jcdawg83, and Dave, I will. Nor will I respond, and not futher aggrivate the Evinrude complaints. Just let them have at it. It could be informative and great reading. Actually, in addition to Classic Whalers, perhaps metal pontoon boats and the engines to power them can become a nice, official, additional topic here. Peter - What's with your continual attacks on Mercury? Don't confuse Mercury with me. Attack me instead. I could care less and don't even get tired of it. I always enjoy your posts. Even though you don't own Whalers, you keep things interesting and informed around here.
Jefecinco	posted 10-31-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) On the Alabama Gulf Coast there are several large fleets on pontoon boat rental outlets. I believe the addition of a 100 hour external oil supply readily filled by rental outlet employees will be very useful. A short turn-around-time is useful in the boat rental business. Please ignore any errors, as of yesterday I'm operating on one hand due to a cast. Butch
jimh	posted 10-31-2013 06:45 PM ET (US) It is a bit premature to be able to pronounce the new Evinrude E-TEC Pontoon Series engines as having vibration problems. Perhaps one ought to purchase one of them, put it on their pontoon boat, and go for a ride. Out of hand dismissal by reviewers that have probably never been on a boat powered by any E-TEC, let alone powered by the new Pontoon Series E-TEC outboard engines, seem to me cavalier. It smacks of prejudgement and suggests some prejudice. The newer DAUNTLESS boats from Boston Whaler are approaching the big party boat market, coming to it from the fishing boat end of the scale. ("End of the scale...fishing boat": get it, a pun! Oh, maybe you got it without me telling you, you saavy readers.)
jimh	posted 10-31-2013 06:49 PM ET (US) ASIDE: Butch--even one-handed your write more accurately than many others.
Peter	posted 11-01-2013 07:05 AM ET (US) Larry -- if comparing a model of one brand of outboard motor to a model of a Mercury branded outboard motor or suggesting that Mercury has to do something to a particular model to match what another brand has done to their model of outboard motor is an "attack" on Mercury, then guilty as charged. But keep in mind that you invited the comparison by being the first to mention MERCURY as you do and have done in amost EVERY Evinrude E-TEC thread probably for the last 10 years. Unlike others, I think its great that you do that because, for example, everytime someone now searches for information about a MERCURY outboard for a pontoon application, you link EVINRUDE E-TEC information to that query such that a person that previously only considering a Mercury 150 EFI for pontoon boat will now be lead to information on the Evinrude E-TEC 150 for pontoon applications. You may think you are doing Mercury a favor but because Evinrude is smaller you are really doing Evinrude a greater favor. So I say keep up the good work. Sterling -- I share your observation and further add that that BRP probably has the broadest reciprocating piston internal combustion technology in its house and yet they do not deploy that for a 4-stroke outboard motor powerhead. I think part of why they don't is because they have relatively easy to scale, emissions compliant, performance differentiating 2-stroke DFI technology that others just don't have.
jimh	posted 11-01-2013 10:29 AM ET (US) One aspect of owning a pontoon boat and having an E-TEC Pontoon Series engine that will differentiate it from the pontoon boats powered by Brunswick Mercury branded FOURSTROKE engines will be quite obvious around this time of the year. The pontoon boat owner with the Mercury-brand FOURSTROKE will be out in a cold November weekend trying to change the oil in his engine, or he will be hauling it to his dealer to have the dealer perform the oil change and other required service. The location where I keep by boat stored in the winter is at a dealer who sells a lot of four-stroke-cycle engines. When I visit the dealership at this time of year I see a yard full of boats with four-stroke-cycle engines--many of them pontoon boats--getting the engine oil changed. I always make clear when i take my E-TEC-powered boat there for storage that it's marked "No Winterization", so the techs don't try to change its oil. On my last visit there was a huge pontoon boat, about a 24-footer, on a rather impressive trailer. This thing was so tall on the trailer that the technician was using a step ladder to get up to the Mercury-brand FOURSTROKE to change its oil. That is quite a difference from an Evinrude-made E-TEC Pontoon Series engine. Also, when underway, much of the time pontoon boats are just idling along at low speed. The fuel economy of the E-TEC Pontoon Series engines is spectacular at low speed, and is typically double the fuel economy of a four-stroke-cycle engine. So that is another significant advantage of the E-TEC in the pontoon boat market.
Marsh	posted 11-04-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) Jim: You make an excellent point about the oil changes. My neighbor's pontoon, powered by a Mercury 90 two stroke, has settled in for the winter, all covered snugly in its slip. My Whaler, powered by a 115 four stroke Mercury, still awaits its annual haul out for an oil and filter change. The weather is cold, the water is low, and right now I kinda admire my neighbor.