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Mambo Minnow posted 10-28-2013 06:57 PM ET (US)
Everglades Boats [has honored Bob Dougherty with a special, limited edition Signature Series 243CC]. I know it's technically not a Whaler, but to many of the classic owners, this is what a modern Whaler center console should be. I think it is nice they honored him. Hull no. 1 debuted earlier this month at the Annapolis Boat Show.
jimh posted 10-28-2013 07:26 PM ET (US)
Very interesting news. Thanks for posting.
Jeff posted 10-28-2013 08:37 PM ET (US)
I find it interesting that in a day of Computer Modeling taking such a strangle hold on design, there is a picture if Bob still drawing by hand to truly finesse the aestethics of the hull. There is a quality you just can not get in a design if you only design on the tube. I might be wrong but it looks like he is even still using his hand made to each sketch scale...just like the Whaler Days.
As a Industrial and Product Designer by trade, I really appreciate Bob's way of designing.
Binkster posted 10-29-2013 11:21 AM ET (US)
Jeff,
Drawing plans by hand whether it be boats, homes, or products is simply a way of tranferring the ideas and vision of the designer to the drawing board. My friends dad was a boat designer, and my dad was an architect and when I was a kid I would love to watch them design and draw boats and homes on the drawing board. I always thought that computer designing was just a faster and more accurate way of doing the same thing. Maybe I'm wrong, do they just punch numbers into the computer and let the computer do the designing?
It would be interesting to get Bob D's comments as to his classic 15 ft. Whaler's bottom design, whereas a couple of amature designers on this board have solved the "poor" riding aspects of this boat at speed by either adding a pad to the keel, or extending the longitudinal strakes near the keel all the way to the transom. According to these "designers" when this is done "magic" happens.
rich
L H G posted 10-29-2013 02:59 PM ET (US)
Note the white painted Yamaha engine. I woonder why he didn't specify an already white E-Tec and save a bundle on extra expense and work. In this case, it seems Evinrude has the color correct, but not the number of strokes!
But wait, Whaler has been telling us for years that their high end buyers demand 4-stroke outboards, and I guess Dougherty feels the same way. I have only seen Everglades powered with Verados or Yamahas.
Peter posted 10-29-2013 03:21 PM ET (US)
Larry, click here ==> www.evinrude.com/Content/Pdf/neutral/performanceReports/PE769.pdf and then you'll have expanded your horizons and won't ever again have to say "I have only seen Everglades powered with Verados or Yamahas." ;)
jimh posted 10-29-2013 04:25 PM ET (US)
Larry--How about you leave your constant anti-E-TEC FUD out of this discussion?
If you want to talk about boats designed by Bob D, fine. Leave your preternatural hatred of the E-TEC for another discussion. Give us a break, please.
L H G posted 10-29-2013 05:59 PM ET (US)
Why Everglades went to the bother of painting Yamaha white is not FUD. Just a question, which becomes obvious after looking at Everglades.com.
The fact that Boston Whaler and other high end boat builder say their customers wnat 4-strokes is not FUD either.
I have no hatred for Evinrude. Since I try to buy American on major purchases, I would buy an Evinrude over any Japanese brand every time.
Peter - Free or deeply discounted engines given to a local police department don't count. Looking at the Everglades website, they only offer Yamaha, Honda or Mercury 4-strokes (no Optimax). And, if you want you can get any of those painted white, so clearly the 2-stroke E-tec is not in their world of choices. As I said, Evinrude has the color correct, and Everglades would probably offer them except for the fact they are 2-stroke technology.
But for the time being, they are forced to re-paint the Mercs, Hondas or Yamahas for those want a color coordinated boat.
dfmcintyre posted 10-29-2013 08:15 PM ET (US)
Rich -
In an earlier post you mentioned the thought on how you thought by punching in numbers, some design came out. Uh, both yes and no with the experiences I've had with AutoCad and with Sketchup. Some interesting differences and why.Let me try and 'splain"...
The early AutoCad version I was trained on was not really intuitive for a designer, more for a "numbers" based person. You inserted numbers into it representing the axis and up the the screen, a wall would appear. Again... numbers went in first.
The way Sketchup was created, was to move away from that model and move towards something more intuitive. The story related to me was that a group of buddy architects in (Boulder?) Colorado who were pretty computer and AutoCad savvy wanted a way for a computer to do what they did quite frequently; sketching on a pad or with a client using a paper napkin or paper placemat, ony on a computer screen.
Came out in the early 2000's and had a couple of unique features, and was relatively easy for a non-designer or professional to learn.
Google bought the program, the developers probably retired. All the 3D buildings you see in Google Earth? Yep, Sketchup designed. Trimble has since bought it from Google.
There are two versions, one for home that's free and the pro version. If you ever have an interest to just try it, I highly recommend trying it. Fun stuff. I used to use it for crime scene drawings for courtroom use, and taught the basics of it at a national academy.
Regards - Don
jimh posted 10-29-2013 10:46 PM ET (US)
On methods of design:
One of the revolutionary tools for creating digital graphics for video was the Quantel PAINT BOX. It was a sophisticated digital graphics creation system, but it was designed for use by an artist. It used a stylus and a very large tablet drawing surface. The user interface utilized hand movements with the stylus to invoke menus. It was a great tool for traditional artists to transition into digital art.
Graphics artists who worked on it to make daily production graphics, used to call it the PAIN BOX. But it was a very good example of how a design tool adapted its controls to fit the artist, not the other way around. Also, the Quantel PAINT BOX had a longer life than any other digital graphic system I ever saw. Most of them lasted about two years. The PAINT BOX was still in use after a decade; the artists loved it and it was very fast to work on.
Back to the boat: it really has low freeboard in the stern. Also, the static waterline looks like it has a distinct down-by-the stern trim. Maybe the 243 Everglades needs a Dougherty Drive?
Larry; stop rationalizing your comments. You bring the E-TEC into a discussion about Bob Dougherty. There is nothing in common except your relentless need to try to drag the E-TEC into any discussion you can find and then say something negative about it. Please stop dragging this discussion about Bob D. into another one of your tireless assults on the E-TEC. Please, stop.
onlyawhaler posted 10-29-2013 11:02 PM ET (US)
Have owned a few classic 18s, Bob Dougherty to me is a legend in himself. I have one of the older brochures with him on the inside cover, looking seaman tough and the drive behind the classics we all like. What a contribution to Whaler and what a loss when they showed him the door. They obviously didn't have the vision at that time.
What is most impressive to me is that he didn't quit, he carried on with his "unsinkable" attitude and started other projects and now, Everglades at a time and age in life when most would just call it a day and park it on the trailer and go home.
Admirable, creative and still showing up in his 80s to make great boats.
An admirable man. I would love to have an Everglades. They are the continuation of design and quality of what he was not allowed to do at Whaler.
Sterling
Onlyawhaler
Dave Sutton posted 10-30-2013 04:27 AM ET (US)
What a great man, and it's great to see him being recognized. He's among the very top of those who I respect in boat design. I'd gladly own an Everglades.
Now, I also want to add this:
Jim wrote:
"Larry; stop rationalizing your comments. You bring the E-TEC into a discussion about Bob Dougherty. There is nothing in common except your relentless need to try to drag the E-TEC into any discussion you can find and then say something negative about it"

Larry, you are a knowlagble guy. With that said, your continuous rants regarding the superiority of Mercury and your put downs of Evinrude is *really* getting tiring. It makes me, and I am sure many others, less likely to log in here, participate in the discussions, and lowers the overall quality of the forum. As a Moderator on a few other forums I see this from time to time, and the cure is always the same: In the end the community is better served by banning the individual who does not bring a smile to others. Take that for what it's worth. Jim has been very patient, but in the end... you're his guest here and he's asked nicely many times for you to stow it. I second the sentiment.

Dave
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Peter posted 10-30-2013 06:30 AM ET (US)
To my eye, the Dougherty era Whalers, Edgewaters and Everglades have a common visual style that one can clearly associate with Dougherty. There is a certain eye appeal ("eye candy") to them much like many classic sports cars.
When I look at Brunswick era Whaler, all I see is a CAD design by consensus. The little architectual details seem missing to me. Unlike a Dougherty design, there is nothing in the Brunswick Whaler lines that draws my eye towards them.
I've always been drawn to the look of the vee bottom Everglades boats. But their proud pricing will likely always have me being an admirer rather than an owner.
jimh posted 10-30-2013 07:43 AM ET (US)
Peter does bring up an important topic; what is the cost of a limited edition Signature Series Bob Dougherty boat?
I would like to see more of the hull shape.

quote:
“I took the 20-foot bay boat and added four feet and twisted the bottom,” said Dougherty.
It would be interesting to see those twists.
Peter posted 10-30-2013 08:12 AM ET (US)
As I read the article, the Bob Dougherty Signature Series is a fancied-up 243cc model. I believe that the 243cc that model may have been the first or second in the line of vee bottom models from Everglades. It's been around for about a decade. The first time I saw it made me think "modernized Outrage 22".
onlyawhaler posted 10-30-2013 12:46 PM ET (US)
I really like that 243. On Everglades website there are a few good pictures that flash by when one clicks on the 243 model.
One is shown all in white with matched white Yamaha 300, a power pole anchor in the rear and a electric thruster in front.
It looks like something set up for fishing in the flats or bass fishing at "Lake Powell" for me. The front seating is family friendly, the T-top is so massive it looks like football players could do chin ups on it.
Very versatile boat.
Its got a great sized gas tank and with its 300hp max rating it hits 50 miles per hour.
really would like that one
Sterling
Onlyawhaler
L H G posted 10-30-2013 02:35 PM ET (US)
Dave - Don't waste your word patronizing me. Just get directly to your complaint.
You and Jim are evidently unhappy about the observation that Everglades painted a Yamaha white on an aniversary boat (since all Yamaha's I see are gray), and doesn't appear to factory rig (already) white Evinrudes, or any 2-stroke for that matter? Is this my fault? I don't think so. But in your opinion if it is so, and should not be pointed out on ContinuousWave, I'll admit that I am guilty as you charge. Now are we happy?
Most can tell I am a great fan of Dougherty's Boston Whaler era work.
PeteB88 posted 10-30-2013 08:07 PM ET (US)
Larry Likes Mercury. Larry + Mercury = true love.
That's fine w/ me, man. Do your thing and you never go wrong. I think the regulars get it.
I respect Diversity of Opinion.
Pro - Choice - I'm Pro Choice, hanging whatever you want on your transom, whatever geeks you up to open your wallet or write a check. I'm not sure what I'd select if I were to repower and expect I'd drive this forum nuts as I go through the process. If today it'd be between Yamaha and ETEC.

Peace
stayinstrewn posted 10-30-2013 09:52 PM ET (US)
Pretty sure other manufacturers such as Intrepid and Jupiter have hung white yamahas.
jimh posted 10-30-2013 09:57 PM ET (US)
Larry--you are grasping at straws.
Also, please give up your newly assumed position of revealing who is an "Evinrude promotor." I know you think the world wide web is filled with secret agents of the Evinrude company who are sitting around waiting to promote Evinrude. Maybe that crazy notion is behind your relentless activity to discredit Evinrude at every chance. But please give it up. If you want to join a discussion about an E-TEC to talk about an E-TEC, you are welcome to do so, but please stop dragging E-TEC into discussion that have nothing to do with them for the sole purpose of creating a chance to say something negative.
And when an E-TEC is being discussion, and someone who actually owns an E-TEC gives some input, please understand that these are simply comments from someone who owns and E-TEC, and not a global conspiracy being directed from BRP headquarters.
jimh posted 10-30-2013 10:04 PM ET (US)
Pete--You need to understand that Larry's affection for Mercury does not engender for him the privilege of changing the topic of any discussion he decides to enter for the purpose of introducing the E-TEC and saying something negative about it.
There are many people who have strong brand likes and dislikes. When that brand and its products are being discussed, there is no problem for people to offer their opinions of the brand or its products. But it is not appropriate to enter into discussions and intentionally change the topic to introduce a brand that they dislike for the purpose of creating an opportunity to say something negative about the product or brand.
That type of hi-jacking of a thread is not appropriate and will not be endured much longer.
jimh posted 10-30-2013 10:51 PM ET (US)
I would like to get back to the topic: the Signature Edition boat and the man it honors. Please give a moment of consideration to those topics when drafting any further comments in this thread.
Mambo Minnow posted 10-31-2013 03:21 PM ET (US)
I wonder why Everglades chose to honor him with a colored gel hull?
In all the years of classic, Rockland buit boats I do not recall ever seeing a hull color other than Desert Tan.
Only exception is perhaps the CrossTackle models, which were a Hunter Green. However, I believe those were in the late 1990s, perhaps after they moved to Edgewater,FL. In any event, I think Dougherty was gone by then,
Dave Sutton posted 10-31-2013 06:18 PM ET (US)
^^ It's a Florida Thing. Whalers were New England thru and thru. Everglades are seen most commonly in warmer climes. Same reason this edition has underwater lighting.
Year ago I watched a one hour special on TV on Ray Hunt, and his boat designs. It seems only proper that someone document the life of this gentleman while he can still participate. Were I in the market for a new boat, I'd seek out his designs.

Dave

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Peter posted 11-01-2013 07:14 AM ET (US)
Regarding Jim's cost query, around here one dealer is asking $102K for a non signature series Everglades 243 cc. It's likely with all the Bob Dougherty signature series dressing, the asking price will be higher than $102K.
jimh posted 11-01-2013 01:55 PM ET (US)
I guess in today's world a 24-foot outboard that costs $110,000 or more is not too unusual. If you bought a pick-up truck to tow it, and dressed up the truck to the same level of decoration, you'd be spending $65,000 on the truck.

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Author	Topic: Everglades Boats Honors Bob Dougherty
Mambo Minnow	posted 10-28-2013 06:57 PM ET (US) Everglades Boats [has honored Bob Dougherty with a special, limited edition Signature Series 243CC]. I know it's technically not a Whaler, but to many of the classic owners, this is what a modern Whaler center console should be. I think it is nice they honored him. Hull no. 1 debuted earlier this month at the Annapolis Boat Show.
jimh	posted 10-28-2013 07:26 PM ET (US) Very interesting news. Thanks for posting.
Jeff	posted 10-28-2013 08:37 PM ET (US) I find it interesting that in a day of Computer Modeling taking such a strangle hold on design, there is a picture if Bob still drawing by hand to truly finesse the aestethics of the hull. There is a quality you just can not get in a design if you only design on the tube. I might be wrong but it looks like he is even still using his hand made to each sketch scale...just like the Whaler Days. As a Industrial and Product Designer by trade, I really appreciate Bob's way of designing.
Binkster	posted 10-29-2013 11:21 AM ET (US) Jeff, Drawing plans by hand whether it be boats, homes, or products is simply a way of tranferring the ideas and vision of the designer to the drawing board. My friends dad was a boat designer, and my dad was an architect and when I was a kid I would love to watch them design and draw boats and homes on the drawing board. I always thought that computer designing was just a faster and more accurate way of doing the same thing. Maybe I'm wrong, do they just punch numbers into the computer and let the computer do the designing? It would be interesting to get Bob D's comments as to his classic 15 ft. Whaler's bottom design, whereas a couple of amature designers on this board have solved the "poor" riding aspects of this boat at speed by either adding a pad to the keel, or extending the longitudinal strakes near the keel all the way to the transom. According to these "designers" when this is done "magic" happens. rich
L H G	posted 10-29-2013 02:59 PM ET (US) Note the white painted Yamaha engine. I woonder why he didn't specify an already white E-Tec and save a bundle on extra expense and work. In this case, it seems Evinrude has the color correct, but not the number of strokes! But wait, Whaler has been telling us for years that their high end buyers demand 4-stroke outboards, and I guess Dougherty feels the same way. I have only seen Everglades powered with Verados or Yamahas.
Peter	posted 10-29-2013 03:21 PM ET (US) Larry, click here ==> www.evinrude.com/Content/Pdf/neutral/performanceReports/PE769.pdf and then you'll have expanded your horizons and won't ever again have to say "I have only seen Everglades powered with Verados or Yamahas." ;)
jimh	posted 10-29-2013 04:25 PM ET (US) Larry--How about you leave your constant anti-E-TEC FUD out of this discussion? If you want to talk about boats designed by Bob D, fine. Leave your preternatural hatred of the E-TEC for another discussion. Give us a break, please.
L H G	posted 10-29-2013 05:59 PM ET (US) Why Everglades went to the bother of painting Yamaha white is not FUD. Just a question, which becomes obvious after looking at Everglades.com. The fact that Boston Whaler and other high end boat builder say their customers wnat 4-strokes is not FUD either. I have no hatred for Evinrude. Since I try to buy American on major purchases, I would buy an Evinrude over any Japanese brand every time. Peter - Free or deeply discounted engines given to a local police department don't count. Looking at the Everglades website, they only offer Yamaha, Honda or Mercury 4-strokes (no Optimax). And, if you want you can get any of those painted white, so clearly the 2-stroke E-tec is not in their world of choices. As I said, Evinrude has the color correct, and Everglades would probably offer them except for the fact they are 2-stroke technology. But for the time being, they are forced to re-paint the Mercs, Hondas or Yamahas for those want a color coordinated boat.
dfmcintyre	posted 10-29-2013 08:15 PM ET (US) Rich - In an earlier post you mentioned the thought on how you thought by punching in numbers, some design came out. Uh, both yes and no with the experiences I've had with AutoCad and with Sketchup. Some interesting differences and why.Let me try and 'splain"... The early AutoCad version I was trained on was not really intuitive for a designer, more for a "numbers" based person. You inserted numbers into it representing the axis and up the the screen, a wall would appear. Again... numbers went in first. The way Sketchup was created, was to move away from that model and move towards something more intuitive. The story related to me was that a group of buddy architects in (Boulder?) Colorado who were pretty computer and AutoCad savvy wanted a way for a computer to do what they did quite frequently; sketching on a pad or with a client using a paper napkin or paper placemat, ony on a computer screen. Came out in the early 2000's and had a couple of unique features, and was relatively easy for a non-designer or professional to learn. Google bought the program, the developers probably retired. All the 3D buildings you see in Google Earth? Yep, Sketchup designed. Trimble has since bought it from Google. There are two versions, one for home that's free and the pro version. If you ever have an interest to just try it, I highly recommend trying it. Fun stuff. I used to use it for crime scene drawings for courtroom use, and taught the basics of it at a national academy. Regards - Don
jimh	posted 10-29-2013 10:46 PM ET (US) On methods of design: One of the revolutionary tools for creating digital graphics for video was the Quantel PAINT BOX. It was a sophisticated digital graphics creation system, but it was designed for use by an artist. It used a stylus and a very large tablet drawing surface. The user interface utilized hand movements with the stylus to invoke menus. It was a great tool for traditional artists to transition into digital art. Graphics artists who worked on it to make daily production graphics, used to call it the PAIN BOX. But it was a very good example of how a design tool adapted its controls to fit the artist, not the other way around. Also, the Quantel PAINT BOX had a longer life than any other digital graphic system I ever saw. Most of them lasted about two years. The PAINT BOX was still in use after a decade; the artists loved it and it was very fast to work on. Back to the boat: it really has low freeboard in the stern. Also, the static waterline looks like it has a distinct down-by-the stern trim. Maybe the 243 Everglades needs a Dougherty Drive? Larry; stop rationalizing your comments. You bring the E-TEC into a discussion about Bob Dougherty. There is nothing in common except your relentless need to try to drag the E-TEC into any discussion you can find and then say something negative about it. Please stop dragging this discussion about Bob D. into another one of your tireless assults on the E-TEC. Please, stop.
onlyawhaler	posted 10-29-2013 11:02 PM ET (US) Have owned a few classic 18s, Bob Dougherty to me is a legend in himself. I have one of the older brochures with him on the inside cover, looking seaman tough and the drive behind the classics we all like. What a contribution to Whaler and what a loss when they showed him the door. They obviously didn't have the vision at that time. What is most impressive to me is that he didn't quit, he carried on with his "unsinkable" attitude and started other projects and now, Everglades at a time and age in life when most would just call it a day and park it on the trailer and go home. Admirable, creative and still showing up in his 80s to make great boats. An admirable man. I would love to have an Everglades. They are the continuation of design and quality of what he was not allowed to do at Whaler. Sterling Onlyawhaler
Dave Sutton	posted 10-30-2013 04:27 AM ET (US) What a great man, and it's great to see him being recognized. He's among the very top of those who I respect in boat design. I'd gladly own an Everglades. Now, I also want to add this: Jim wrote: "Larry; stop rationalizing your comments. You bring the E-TEC into a discussion about Bob Dougherty. There is nothing in common except your relentless need to try to drag the E-TEC into any discussion you can find and then say something negative about it" Larry, you are a knowlagble guy. With that said, your continuous rants regarding the superiority of Mercury and your put downs of Evinrude is really getting tiring. It makes me, and I am sure many others, less likely to log in here, participate in the discussions, and lowers the overall quality of the forum. As a Moderator on a few other forums I see this from time to time, and the cure is always the same: In the end the community is better served by banning the individual who does not bring a smile to others. Take that for what it's worth. Jim has been very patient, but in the end... you're his guest here and he's asked nicely many times for you to stow it. I second the sentiment. Dave .
Peter	posted 10-30-2013 06:30 AM ET (US) To my eye, the Dougherty era Whalers, Edgewaters and Everglades have a common visual style that one can clearly associate with Dougherty. There is a certain eye appeal ("eye candy") to them much like many classic sports cars. When I look at Brunswick era Whaler, all I see is a CAD design by consensus. The little architectual details seem missing to me. Unlike a Dougherty design, there is nothing in the Brunswick Whaler lines that draws my eye towards them. I've always been drawn to the look of the vee bottom Everglades boats. But their proud pricing will likely always have me being an admirer rather than an owner.
jimh	posted 10-30-2013 07:43 AM ET (US) Peter does bring up an important topic; what is the cost of a limited edition Signature Series Bob Dougherty boat? I would like to see more of the hull shape. quote: “I took the 20-foot bay boat and added four feet and twisted the bottom,” said Dougherty. It would be interesting to see those twists.
Peter	posted 10-30-2013 08:12 AM ET (US) As I read the article, the Bob Dougherty Signature Series is a fancied-up 243cc model. I believe that the 243cc that model may have been the first or second in the line of vee bottom models from Everglades. It's been around for about a decade. The first time I saw it made me think "modernized Outrage 22".
onlyawhaler	posted 10-30-2013 12:46 PM ET (US) I really like that 243. On Everglades website there are a few good pictures that flash by when one clicks on the 243 model. One is shown all in white with matched white Yamaha 300, a power pole anchor in the rear and a electric thruster in front. It looks like something set up for fishing in the flats or bass fishing at "Lake Powell" for me. The front seating is family friendly, the T-top is so massive it looks like football players could do chin ups on it. Very versatile boat. Its got a great sized gas tank and with its 300hp max rating it hits 50 miles per hour. really would like that one Sterling Onlyawhaler
L H G	posted 10-30-2013 02:35 PM ET (US) Dave - Don't waste your word patronizing me. Just get directly to your complaint. You and Jim are evidently unhappy about the observation that Everglades painted a Yamaha white on an aniversary boat (since all Yamaha's I see are gray), and doesn't appear to factory rig (already) white Evinrudes, or any 2-stroke for that matter? Is this my fault? I don't think so. But in your opinion if it is so, and should not be pointed out on ContinuousWave, I'll admit that I am guilty as you charge. Now are we happy? Most can tell I am a great fan of Dougherty's Boston Whaler era work.
PeteB88	posted 10-30-2013 08:07 PM ET (US) Larry Likes Mercury. Larry + Mercury = true love. That's fine w/ me, man. Do your thing and you never go wrong. I think the regulars get it. I respect Diversity of Opinion. Pro - Choice - I'm Pro Choice, hanging whatever you want on your transom, whatever geeks you up to open your wallet or write a check. I'm not sure what I'd select if I were to repower and expect I'd drive this forum nuts as I go through the process. If today it'd be between Yamaha and ETEC. Peace
stayinstrewn	posted 10-30-2013 09:52 PM ET (US) Pretty sure other manufacturers such as Intrepid and Jupiter have hung white yamahas.
jimh	posted 10-30-2013 09:57 PM ET (US) Larry--you are grasping at straws. Also, please give up your newly assumed position of revealing who is an "Evinrude promotor." I know you think the world wide web is filled with secret agents of the Evinrude company who are sitting around waiting to promote Evinrude. Maybe that crazy notion is behind your relentless activity to discredit Evinrude at every chance. But please give it up. If you want to join a discussion about an E-TEC to talk about an E-TEC, you are welcome to do so, but please stop dragging E-TEC into discussion that have nothing to do with them for the sole purpose of creating a chance to say something negative. And when an E-TEC is being discussion, and someone who actually owns an E-TEC gives some input, please understand that these are simply comments from someone who owns and E-TEC, and not a global conspiracy being directed from BRP headquarters.
jimh	posted 10-30-2013 10:04 PM ET (US) Pete--You need to understand that Larry's affection for Mercury does not engender for him the privilege of changing the topic of any discussion he decides to enter for the purpose of introducing the E-TEC and saying something negative about it. There are many people who have strong brand likes and dislikes. When that brand and its products are being discussed, there is no problem for people to offer their opinions of the brand or its products. But it is not appropriate to enter into discussions and intentionally change the topic to introduce a brand that they dislike for the purpose of creating an opportunity to say something negative about the product or brand. That type of hi-jacking of a thread is not appropriate and will not be endured much longer.
jimh	posted 10-30-2013 10:51 PM ET (US) I would like to get back to the topic: the Signature Edition boat and the man it honors. Please give a moment of consideration to those topics when drafting any further comments in this thread.
Mambo Minnow	posted 10-31-2013 03:21 PM ET (US) I wonder why Everglades chose to honor him with a colored gel hull? In all the years of classic, Rockland buit boats I do not recall ever seeing a hull color other than Desert Tan. Only exception is perhaps the CrossTackle models, which were a Hunter Green. However, I believe those were in the late 1990s, perhaps after they moved to Edgewater,FL. In any event, I think Dougherty was gone by then,
Dave Sutton	posted 10-31-2013 06:18 PM ET (US) ^^ It's a Florida Thing. Whalers were New England thru and thru. Everglades are seen most commonly in warmer climes. Same reason this edition has underwater lighting. Year ago I watched a one hour special on TV on Ray Hunt, and his boat designs. It seems only proper that someone document the life of this gentleman while he can still participate. Were I in the market for a new boat, I'd seek out his designs. Dave .
Peter	posted 11-01-2013 07:14 AM ET (US) Regarding Jim's cost query, around here one dealer is asking $102K for a non signature series Everglades 243 cc. It's likely with all the Bob Dougherty signature series dressing, the asking price will be higher than $102K.
jimh	posted 11-01-2013 01:55 PM ET (US) I guess in today's world a 24-foot outboard that costs $110,000 or more is not too unusual. If you bought a pick-up truck to tow it, and dressed up the truck to the same level of decoration, you'd be spending $65,000 on the truck.