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Buckda posted 11-17-2013 07:09 PM ET (US)
Something I found this afternoon while removing the headliner from my 25' Outrage Cuddy: There is a flexible conduit glassed into the cuddy shell that runs on the starboard side from the aft top corner of the shell to the center of the cuddy just aft of the bow hatch. Does anyone know what Whaler intended this for?

Buckda posted 11-17-2013 07:29 PM ET (US)
Here's what I'm talking about:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxsbUJ20iWcvMWpnREZYcnRFN2M/ edit?usp=sharing
Dave Sutton posted 11-17-2013 09:04 PM ET (US)
Optional lighting that was not installed perhaps? The termination point seems like where a light might be installed.

Dave
Hoosier posted 11-17-2013 10:07 PM ET (US)
I agree with Dave. This gives you the opportunity to install a nice LED cabin lighting system that'll draw virtually no power.
egres posted 11-17-2013 10:21 PM ET (US)
From what I can see from your clip
The unit may have been a custom order that never was completed.
Electrical conduit and wires that never were completed as an order for a special option.
jamesmylesmcp posted 11-18-2013 07:20 AM ET (US)
Dave, my Revenge has a conduit that terminates in the anchor locker it powers light fixtures on the foward bulkhead.
dfmcintyre posted 11-18-2013 05:51 PM ET (US)
Dave -
Not an option. Was the power lead for the combination anchor / running light. My Revenge Cuddy had an odd aluminum bracket starting about right in the middle of that arc. The pole went up and an angle about two or three feet. Right dead nuts perfect to reduce your night vision.
Regards - Don
Buckda posted 11-18-2013 07:16 PM ET (US)
Don -
After close inspection of Tom W. Clark's Whaler Catalog CD, I can see what you are talking about. It's an interesting find. Now I get to ruminate on if/how to capitalize on that little feature for the remod.
Thanks!
Mambo Minnow posted 11-19-2013 06:02 PM ET (US)
Are you going to install a new headliner? Please share in later posts your progress as that is an under reported repair topic that might interest many owners. Thanks!
Buckda posted 11-20-2013 11:16 AM ET (US)
Yes, the headliner will be replaced as part of the remod/refurb. I haven’t yet decided on the material I will use, but I will photo document the whole process.
dfmcintyre posted 11-20-2013 01:03 PM ET (US)
I think some nice dark, say black and brown shag carpeting would work.
In fact, if the local carpet outlet allows you into the back room, look in the bin marked "1970" or thereabouts....
:)
Buckda posted 11-20-2013 02:35 PM ET (US)
I'm actually kicking around the idea of a teak/mahogany headliner...
andygere posted 11-20-2013 04:14 PM ET (US)
I've always thought that the beige burlap stuff that the Whaler factory installed looked pretty good. It's pretty sturdy, seems to wear pretty well and is generally pretty bright. On the other hand, the "timeless plaid" cushion upholstery has got to go. I've kept my cuddy cushions parchment vinyl side up since I've owned the boat.
A teak/mahogany headliner would look classy, but might make the cuddy seem a little dark? It's already kind of cave-like in there...
ConB posted 11-20-2013 04:45 PM ET (US)
Ash ceiling strips would look good in your Whaler, Dave.
Con
RevengeFamily posted 11-26-2013 06:19 AM ET (US)
The lights in my 1990 22WT are on your port and starboard as you would enter the cuddy. Not the best location for cabin lighting, it's original so I keep those fixtures. However, an LED fixture on the ceiling would be a welcome addition.
Very interesting find... Keep us posted as to what you do decide to replace the headliner with.
From my Whaler family to yours, Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Norm
macfam posted 11-26-2013 07:42 AM ET (US)
When it comes to headliners, off-white, tan, light grey are good options.
The reason I say this is because it allows good night lighting.
On our 28, the headliner is off-white, and the small 12v lights do a nice job, without being compromised by a dark headliner.
Several boaters I know have opted for DIY off-white burlap type headliners.
Due to the imperfections in the burlap style, it allows the seams to be less than perfect, yet still look good.
george nagy posted 11-26-2013 10:16 AM ET (US)
Another alternative to the fabric headliner might be paint/ gelcoat or even spray in bed liner. Since you have the cabin cap off you could take it to get a truck bed liner sprayed on like linex or something similar. This would help even out the texture of the rough unfinished surface of the fiberglass work. since you have the conduit glassed in you could run wires through before the liner is sprayed. I think that not having a fabric headliner to contend with would be a time saver and also the plastic liner would be easier to clean and probably resist mildew as well.

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Author	Topic: Embedded Conduit in Cuddy Headliner
Buckda	posted 11-17-2013 07:09 PM ET (US) Something I found this afternoon while removing the headliner from my 25' Outrage Cuddy: There is a flexible conduit glassed into the cuddy shell that runs on the starboard side from the aft top corner of the shell to the center of the cuddy just aft of the bow hatch. Does anyone know what Whaler intended this for?
Buckda	posted 11-17-2013 07:29 PM ET (US) Here's what I'm talking about: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxsbUJ20iWcvMWpnREZYcnRFN2M/ edit?usp=sharing
Dave Sutton	posted 11-17-2013 09:04 PM ET (US) Optional lighting that was not installed perhaps? The termination point seems like where a light might be installed. Dave
Hoosier	posted 11-17-2013 10:07 PM ET (US) I agree with Dave. This gives you the opportunity to install a nice LED cabin lighting system that'll draw virtually no power.
egres	posted 11-17-2013 10:21 PM ET (US) From what I can see from your clip The unit may have been a custom order that never was completed. Electrical conduit and wires that never were completed as an order for a special option.
jamesmylesmcp	posted 11-18-2013 07:20 AM ET (US) Dave, my Revenge has a conduit that terminates in the anchor locker it powers light fixtures on the foward bulkhead.
dfmcintyre	posted 11-18-2013 05:51 PM ET (US) Dave - Not an option. Was the power lead for the combination anchor / running light. My Revenge Cuddy had an odd aluminum bracket starting about right in the middle of that arc. The pole went up and an angle about two or three feet. Right dead nuts perfect to reduce your night vision. Regards - Don
Buckda	posted 11-18-2013 07:16 PM ET (US) Don - After close inspection of Tom W. Clark's Whaler Catalog CD, I can see what you are talking about. It's an interesting find. Now I get to ruminate on if/how to capitalize on that little feature for the remod. Thanks!
Mambo Minnow	posted 11-19-2013 06:02 PM ET (US) Are you going to install a new headliner? Please share in later posts your progress as that is an under reported repair topic that might interest many owners. Thanks!
Buckda	posted 11-20-2013 11:16 AM ET (US) Yes, the headliner will be replaced as part of the remod/refurb. I haven’t yet decided on the material I will use, but I will photo document the whole process.
dfmcintyre	posted 11-20-2013 01:03 PM ET (US) I think some nice dark, say black and brown shag carpeting would work. In fact, if the local carpet outlet allows you into the back room, look in the bin marked "1970" or thereabouts.... :)
Buckda	posted 11-20-2013 02:35 PM ET (US) I'm actually kicking around the idea of a teak/mahogany headliner...
andygere	posted 11-20-2013 04:14 PM ET (US) I've always thought that the beige burlap stuff that the Whaler factory installed looked pretty good. It's pretty sturdy, seems to wear pretty well and is generally pretty bright. On the other hand, the "timeless plaid" cushion upholstery has got to go. I've kept my cuddy cushions parchment vinyl side up since I've owned the boat. A teak/mahogany headliner would look classy, but might make the cuddy seem a little dark? It's already kind of cave-like in there...
ConB	posted 11-20-2013 04:45 PM ET (US) Ash ceiling strips would look good in your Whaler, Dave. Con
RevengeFamily	posted 11-26-2013 06:19 AM ET (US) The lights in my 1990 22WT are on your port and starboard as you would enter the cuddy. Not the best location for cabin lighting, it's original so I keep those fixtures. However, an LED fixture on the ceiling would be a welcome addition. Very interesting find... Keep us posted as to what you do decide to replace the headliner with. From my Whaler family to yours, Have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Norm
macfam	posted 11-26-2013 07:42 AM ET (US) When it comes to headliners, off-white, tan, light grey are good options. The reason I say this is because it allows good night lighting. On our 28, the headliner is off-white, and the small 12v lights do a nice job, without being compromised by a dark headliner. Several boaters I know have opted for DIY off-white burlap type headliners. Due to the imperfections in the burlap style, it allows the seams to be less than perfect, yet still look good.
george nagy	posted 11-26-2013 10:16 AM ET (US) Another alternative to the fabric headliner might be paint/ gelcoat or even spray in bed liner. Since you have the cabin cap off you could take it to get a truck bed liner sprayed on like linex or something similar. This would help even out the texture of the rough unfinished surface of the fiberglass work. since you have the conduit glassed in you could run wires through before the liner is sprayed. I think that not having a fabric headliner to contend with would be a time saver and also the plastic liner would be easier to clean and probably resist mildew as well.