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eastcoastfloyd posted 11-25-2013 03:18 PM ET (US)
I took a couple quick pics of a boat my buddy has just finished restoring the last year and I figured I would share. I just finished rigging it the other day so excuse the tape and stuff. It is a 1972 Boston Whaler Montauk 17 with a new floor, all of the hatches are custom, an E-TEC 90-HP, 8-inch Wet Sounds loudspeakers, a Clarion amp, Awl Craft paint, I-Command gauges, and all of that good stuff.
To see the digital images, start here and browse to NEXT a four times.
Buckda posted 11-25-2013 03:28 PM ET (US)
That is not a restoration. It is a very well done remod. Restoration brings a thing back to the original condition. Some would call it a minor distinction, but it's important!
This is quite different. I think it looks great. Good job.
Binkster posted 11-26-2013 11:23 PM ET (US)
What is the difference between a remodel and a custom? As far as actual restorations I think they may be important if there were boat judging shows like the car shows. Whaler didn't get everything right all the time and many members and other owners have made improvements in convenience and design. As long as it looks like Whaler should have done it that way, its good enough for me.
rich
Buckda posted 11-27-2013 08:55 AM ET (US)
Rich -
Those are good points and good questions. I think a restoration is true-to the original.
For me, remod/custom is in the same category, but one could make an argument that remod is a modified restoration with certain improvements. If that were the case than this beautifully done 17 would be a Custom.
Binkster posted 11-27-2013 09:54 AM ET (US)
My feelings exactly Dave. I would call that 17 footer a custom or an example of, if Whaler was still building that model, how it would look today.
rich
macfam posted 11-28-2013 09:31 AM ET (US)
Send the pics to Boston Whaler marketing dept.
A boat similar to this, even based on the newer 170 would be a real eye-catcher. But.........a black motor would not look as nice. Perhaps a black motor painted white would work.
Binkster posted 11-29-2013 01:22 PM ET (US)
I think the design dept would be the place to send pics. Thing is, from what I see, Boston Whaler isn't interested in designing and selling "fishing machines" The new and recent Whalers look like what we used to call "ice cream" boats, think Bayliner. But I guess that's what the public wants. I don't think the color or the make of the outboard makes any difference. Bayliner did well with Chrysler outboards.
rich
contender posted 11-30-2013 01:20 PM ET (US)
I use to do cars, Restore to factory would be making it look like it rolled out of the factory line meeting all the specs. Then you have a restore, not everything back to original but pretty much everything new depending on who does it, then you have a custom, done new with modifications. I like the new custom, like Buckda stated Whaler can not think of everything, also their boat designed is not for the different locations (parts of the country and around the world) were they are sold, this alone would require modifications to each ones use, wants and likes.
Bink: If Bayliner did so well with Chryslers where are they today? Sorry but I think these were just cheap set ups to sell to someone/anyone that had no clue about boats. They just wanted to sell something crappy so anyone could get one, I remember seeing signs in the Miami Boat Show just put down a $100.00 and finance for 20 years and you could be in the water this weekend....
PS East can not open your pictures...
Binkster posted 11-30-2013 02:57 PM ET (US)
Rich (contender), I didn't mean that Whaler was producing a cheap boat/ motor combination to sell to the masses, but I guess I worded it wrong. The 17 footer in this thread is a hard core fishing boat, and I don't think Whaler is interested in this market, and as you said, they can't build boats for different locations, so we have Whalers where one size fits all so to speak.
rich
contender posted 12-01-2013 04:37 PM ET (US)
Bink: I did not understand you to mean that Whaler was building a cheap boat,(I do not think they are cheap, but would have like to seen a stronger transom, more fiberglass) but like you have stated kinda like one type fits all so to speak of. As you I'm into modifications to fit my needs and wants, and like I said Whaler did not think/can not think of everything for everyone. I use my Whaler for fishing and diving, hense I have an extra big Bimini Top for the sun, no bow or side rails (easy to get in and out of the boat from any location) And a freash water wash down to rinse off with (how many people have this in a 17 Whaler) Built my own console made it narrow and taller to be able to walk around....To each their own... I have seen your pictures of your whaler wood works (excellent jobs and a very clean look) but this would never be for me...Take care
martyn1075 posted 12-02-2013 02:29 AM ET (US)
Personally I have always felt keep the Boston Whaler boat the same in design over the years BUT change it with modern touch in modifications. This is a pretty good example. Thats all they needed to do over the years nothing crazy like new models only to be dropped a few years later. Pointy bows with 6-10K T-tops etc. If you look at the last classic 19 outrage we saw this starting to happen. Same fantastic boat as the years past but with a nice slightly taller and sleeker designed console. Nothing crazy but it did make the boat better and look more current with the times. The integrity and brand was never lost at the same time.
Martyn
jimh posted 12-02-2013 08:59 AM ET (US)
The modified 17-footer is quite a unique customization. All the work appears to be very well done. The new fiberglass work shows a lot of craftsmanship.

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eastcoastfloyd	posted 11-25-2013 03:18 PM ET (US) I took a couple quick pics of a boat my buddy has just finished restoring the last year and I figured I would share. I just finished rigging it the other day so excuse the tape and stuff. It is a 1972 Boston Whaler Montauk 17 with a new floor, all of the hatches are custom, an E-TEC 90-HP, 8-inch Wet Sounds loudspeakers, a Clarion amp, Awl Craft paint, I-Command gauges, and all of that good stuff. To see the digital images, start here and browse to NEXT a four times.
Buckda	posted 11-25-2013 03:28 PM ET (US) That is not a restoration. It is a very well done remod. Restoration brings a thing back to the original condition. Some would call it a minor distinction, but it's important! This is quite different. I think it looks great. Good job.
Binkster	posted 11-26-2013 11:23 PM ET (US) What is the difference between a remodel and a custom? As far as actual restorations I think they may be important if there were boat judging shows like the car shows. Whaler didn't get everything right all the time and many members and other owners have made improvements in convenience and design. As long as it looks like Whaler should have done it that way, its good enough for me. rich
Buckda	posted 11-27-2013 08:55 AM ET (US) Rich - Those are good points and good questions. I think a restoration is true-to the original. For me, remod/custom is in the same category, but one could make an argument that remod is a modified restoration with certain improvements. If that were the case than this beautifully done 17 would be a Custom.
Binkster	posted 11-27-2013 09:54 AM ET (US) My feelings exactly Dave. I would call that 17 footer a custom or an example of, if Whaler was still building that model, how it would look today. rich
macfam	posted 11-28-2013 09:31 AM ET (US) Send the pics to Boston Whaler marketing dept. A boat similar to this, even based on the newer 170 would be a real eye-catcher. But.........a black motor would not look as nice. Perhaps a black motor painted white would work.
Binkster	posted 11-29-2013 01:22 PM ET (US) I think the design dept would be the place to send pics. Thing is, from what I see, Boston Whaler isn't interested in designing and selling "fishing machines" The new and recent Whalers look like what we used to call "ice cream" boats, think Bayliner. But I guess that's what the public wants. I don't think the color or the make of the outboard makes any difference. Bayliner did well with Chrysler outboards. rich
contender	posted 11-30-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) I use to do cars, Restore to factory would be making it look like it rolled out of the factory line meeting all the specs. Then you have a restore, not everything back to original but pretty much everything new depending on who does it, then you have a custom, done new with modifications. I like the new custom, like Buckda stated Whaler can not think of everything, also their boat designed is not for the different locations (parts of the country and around the world) were they are sold, this alone would require modifications to each ones use, wants and likes. Bink: If Bayliner did so well with Chryslers where are they today? Sorry but I think these were just cheap set ups to sell to someone/anyone that had no clue about boats. They just wanted to sell something crappy so anyone could get one, I remember seeing signs in the Miami Boat Show just put down a $100.00 and finance for 20 years and you could be in the water this weekend.... PS East can not open your pictures...
Binkster	posted 11-30-2013 02:57 PM ET (US) Rich (contender), I didn't mean that Whaler was producing a cheap boat/ motor combination to sell to the masses, but I guess I worded it wrong. The 17 footer in this thread is a hard core fishing boat, and I don't think Whaler is interested in this market, and as you said, they can't build boats for different locations, so we have Whalers where one size fits all so to speak. rich
contender	posted 12-01-2013 04:37 PM ET (US) Bink: I did not understand you to mean that Whaler was building a cheap boat,(I do not think they are cheap, but would have like to seen a stronger transom, more fiberglass) but like you have stated kinda like one type fits all so to speak of. As you I'm into modifications to fit my needs and wants, and like I said Whaler did not think/can not think of everything for everyone. I use my Whaler for fishing and diving, hense I have an extra big Bimini Top for the sun, no bow or side rails (easy to get in and out of the boat from any location) And a freash water wash down to rinse off with (how many people have this in a 17 Whaler) Built my own console made it narrow and taller to be able to walk around....To each their own... I have seen your pictures of your whaler wood works (excellent jobs and a very clean look) but this would never be for me...Take care
martyn1075	posted 12-02-2013 02:29 AM ET (US) Personally I have always felt keep the Boston Whaler boat the same in design over the years BUT change it with modern touch in modifications. This is a pretty good example. Thats all they needed to do over the years nothing crazy like new models only to be dropped a few years later. Pointy bows with 6-10K T-tops etc. If you look at the last classic 19 outrage we saw this starting to happen. Same fantastic boat as the years past but with a nice slightly taller and sleeker designed console. Nothing crazy but it did make the boat better and look more current with the times. The integrity and brand was never lost at the same time. Martyn
jimh	posted 12-02-2013 08:59 AM ET (US) The modified 17-footer is quite a unique customization. All the work appears to be very well done. The new fiberglass work shows a lot of craftsmanship.