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jimh posted 02-26-2014 02:28 PM ET (US)
Recently I was watching a documentary about an aviation company that refurbishes old Boeing 707 passenger jets and uses them for mid-air refueling tankers. A principal in the company described the Boeing 707 as a great airplane, even though it was designed in the 1950's. He said the 707 was:
--rugged
--reliable, and
--stable
and that once re-powered with new jet engines and new avionics, these 40-year-old and even 50-year-old aircraft were turned into very capable and affordable new planes.
This reminded me of the classic Boston Whaler boats. Although not quite as old as a Boeing 707 in some cases, the classic Boston Whaler boats of the 1970's and 1980's are still often found in very good condition, with very sound hulls. With the addition of a new outboard engine and modern electronics, they make a very capable and very affordable new boat for many of us.
Cf.: http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/vms/
Teak Oil posted 02-26-2014 07:34 PM ET (US)
I upgraded the electronics on my 22 Outrage last year, and I am getting ready to pull the plug on a new outboard soon.
I wasn't sure about putting this much money into a 22 year old boat until I saw what a new 220 Outrage costs at the boat show last weekend. Now I feel very good about having a basically brand new boat for less than half the price of new, the only thing I do not have that the 220 does is a porta potty.
Jerry Townsend posted 02-27-2014 03:57 PM ET (US)
Indeed, the 707 is a commendable plane. The mother and father of today's jet airliners. I worked for Boeing in a testing and development group, immediately after being discharged from the Army in 1955 and at the time there were two - one in the hanger used for testing and the 707X, used for flight tests.
And certainly, any of the older Whalers, being maintained properly, with new power will make the owner one happy person. And at times, I still kick myself for selling my 1975 13 Super Sport when I bought my 1996 17 Outrage because it was just easier to get it into smaller waters where I don't really need the Outrage. ---- Jerry/Idaho
sosmerc posted 03-01-2014 12:04 AM ET (US)
A well maintained fiberglass hull of just about any make can provide countless hours of quality boating, and the job can always be extended with a re-power and new rigging. I own a 1984 Boston Whaler and would expect it to last just about forever with proper maintenance. With new power installed it will provide performance and enjoyment on an equal level with a brand new hull.
Jefecinco posted 03-01-2014 10:29 AM ET (US)
My final assignment in the Army was to a Corps of Engineers civil woks district. Those are the folks (about 99% civilian employees) that maintain our locks and dams and inland waterways.
The district owned dozens of small Boston Whalers and routinely replaced a few each year. That did and does seem wasteful to me so I suggested we seek a repair shop qualified to overhaul the hulls, repower them, replace the steering and upholstery and update the electronics.
The response was, who would manage such a program? It seems the district was able to obtain funding for replacement boats more easily than for an overhaul program. Too bad, I believed that one person could manage a program for all the districts in the country and save a lot of money. As I was to be there for only a couple of years until my mandatory retirement I decided that I would not have time to overcome the mind set and dropped the matter.
Butch

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Author	Topic: More on Boeing and Boston Whaler
jimh	posted 02-26-2014 02:28 PM ET (US) Recently I was watching a documentary about an aviation company that refurbishes old Boeing 707 passenger jets and uses them for mid-air refueling tankers. A principal in the company described the Boeing 707 as a great airplane, even though it was designed in the 1950's. He said the 707 was: --rugged --reliable, and --stable and that once re-powered with new jet engines and new avionics, these 40-year-old and even 50-year-old aircraft were turned into very capable and affordable new planes. This reminded me of the classic Boston Whaler boats. Although not quite as old as a Boeing 707 in some cases, the classic Boston Whaler boats of the 1970's and 1980's are still often found in very good condition, with very sound hulls. With the addition of a new outboard engine and modern electronics, they make a very capable and very affordable new boat for many of us. Cf.: http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/vms/
Teak Oil	posted 02-26-2014 07:34 PM ET (US) I upgraded the electronics on my 22 Outrage last year, and I am getting ready to pull the plug on a new outboard soon. I wasn't sure about putting this much money into a 22 year old boat until I saw what a new 220 Outrage costs at the boat show last weekend. Now I feel very good about having a basically brand new boat for less than half the price of new, the only thing I do not have that the 220 does is a porta potty.
Jerry Townsend	posted 02-27-2014 03:57 PM ET (US) Indeed, the 707 is a commendable plane. The mother and father of today's jet airliners. I worked for Boeing in a testing and development group, immediately after being discharged from the Army in 1955 and at the time there were two - one in the hanger used for testing and the 707X, used for flight tests. And certainly, any of the older Whalers, being maintained properly, with new power will make the owner one happy person. And at times, I still kick myself for selling my 1975 13 Super Sport when I bought my 1996 17 Outrage because it was just easier to get it into smaller waters where I don't really need the Outrage. ---- Jerry/Idaho
sosmerc	posted 03-01-2014 12:04 AM ET (US) A well maintained fiberglass hull of just about any make can provide countless hours of quality boating, and the job can always be extended with a re-power and new rigging. I own a 1984 Boston Whaler and would expect it to last just about forever with proper maintenance. With new power installed it will provide performance and enjoyment on an equal level with a brand new hull.
Jefecinco	posted 03-01-2014 10:29 AM ET (US) My final assignment in the Army was to a Corps of Engineers civil woks district. Those are the folks (about 99% civilian employees) that maintain our locks and dams and inland waterways. The district owned dozens of small Boston Whalers and routinely replaced a few each year. That did and does seem wasteful to me so I suggested we seek a repair shop qualified to overhaul the hulls, repower them, replace the steering and upholstery and update the electronics. The response was, who would manage such a program? It seems the district was able to obtain funding for replacement boats more easily than for an overhaul program. Too bad, I believed that one person could manage a program for all the districts in the country and save a lot of money. As I was to be there for only a couple of years until my mandatory retirement I decided that I would not have time to overcome the mind set and dropped the matter. Butch