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PeteB88 posted 03-27-2014 10:38 PM ET (US)   Profile for PeteB88   Send Email to PeteB88  
How many of you guys live near the Mississisppi say Lake Itasca (headwaters) to the mouth? And/or how many run their boats on stretches of the big river? I am working on a super cool project and trying to get a fix on Whaler bros along the river.

I am working with a group of young dudes who are prepping to break the record paddling Mississippi - the Guinness record. I am amazed and stoked at the logistics and preparation and focus of these guys. There is a critical strategy for max speed that will require some support boats along the way. It's refreshing to see "kids" this focused and obsessed with outdoors and adventure at this level.

David Pendleton posted 04-24-2014 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Are you referring to the 2014 Mississippi River Challenge?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/2014-Mississippi-River-Challenge/ 211194215737391

I am in Saint Paul. I boat between Mississippi RM 854 and 695.

PeteB88 posted 04-27-2014 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Yes, David, that's the trip. I have been meeting with crew and local support members to nail down logistics and limiting factors. The crew is experienced, tuned up and ready to go and must focus on preparation. They did capsizing practice and recently completed Campus to Coast canoe race, which core members created four years ago, as part of shake-down and training in 23 foot Minnesota 4" canoe. We wish we had six months lead time but it is what is its. For all their talent, commitment and the fact they are bright, hardworking young adventurers, PR and media is a weak point.

One thing is they have no intention to be media hounds or anything like that. However, we all agree it is important to memorialize the project, track the journey and share all of it with others as inspiration and encouragement to get off the couch and GO FOR IT! or something - pursue a dream. To that end I have pressed them real hard specific to why they are doing it? For a one time adventure to tell their grandkids about or more: future journeys, around the world paddling, write a book or do video, do seminars including at schools to discuss the trip and inspire. Their inspiration includes the saga of Verlin Kruger who became obsessed with padding and canoe racing and did several long distance trips including one that was 28,000 miles -

The idea of support along the from paddling and boat owner's groups (Whaler!! preferred!) is evolving into a possible critical element of the trip. Action could include assistance with provisioning without the crew having to paddle out of the current to shore for offloading and loading fresh stuff, photography/video - to help document the trip and for Guinness records and more. We do not, however, want a flotilla of pleasure boats coming out to greet them that would churn up the water with boat wakes and thus mess with navigation and speed which could slow down the journey.

I will be working this week on finalizing FAQ, information, media and call to action materials which will go on their FB and website.

The plan is non-stop padding, 24hrs/day, 60 paddle strokes/minute, three paddle while one sleeps, nutrition on the run, they have created PVC "poop tubes" so no reason to stop for evacuation of bowels or bladders.

Analyzing possible failure modes and delays, one of the dry land support team members pointed out that night time navigation without spot lights, will be difficult. Pat asked me if we could get Whaler guys to run ahead of the team with marker lights on so the guys could follow and stay in the channel and away of hazards. Concept at this time and we need to make certain that would not disqualify the team from setting the Guinness record - very critical


PeteB88 posted 04-27-2014 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Priority Task assigned to me: VHF Handheld radio

Must select best handheld VHF for crew ASAP that can also be operated by AAs. My group is going to donate the radio for the trip. Radio communication is critical for crew to contact lock masters, USCG and marine patrols as well as WX and for use in emergencies.

Please advise your thoughts on radio - need to procure this week. We will keep the radio to loan to future adventures or events.

PeteB88 posted 04-27-2014 02:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Another challenge - ON BOARD POWER

The crew will need marker lights, forward and aft, traditional navigation lights, although not required as we understand it, will be on board.

I consulted one of my #1 all time fishin' pals who is a battery engineer in Portland OR - big deal military and medical device batteries. We ran a ton of scenarios and options that included 1) power buss for electronics cellphones, lights, rechargeable batteries, maybe GPS 2) solar system 3) anything else we didn't think of.

We determined solar was not practical for a variety of reasons including lack of secure deck space and fragility.

His company manufactures a super expensive battery, high capacity (would last well beyond the duration of the trip) entirely waterproof, small, able to power up a custom "grid" for above needs and only about 12 pounds. Limiting factor is time required to create wiring harness and no time to shake down the system. Adding 12 pounds is also not desirable.

WIth his expertise and discussions up till now, we are going with all AA power, disposable batteries likely and a s#$t load of them. Also some AAAs for Petzl headlamps.

If any of you have suggestions please pass them along.

ALSO -

dfmcintyre posted 04-27-2014 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pete -

There are a number of VHF preps that would work. Probably don't need anything exotic as one with built in GPS, but waterproof would be important. Probably would not have to charge it the whole trip,

For lighting, what about a motorcycle batteries powering LED lighting? Epoxy in a case and lid, zip tie the wiring along the gunnel. Make the connections quick change, and change the battery when the light(s) go dim with a fresh one from on shore.

Goodluck!

Don

PeteB88 posted 04-28-2014 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Thanks Don, shared it with crew - simple, elegant solution.
dfmcintyre posted 04-28-2014 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Pete -

To further the sourcing, go to:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/

In the product description, you should find the amp/hr draw and be able to calculate the capacity needed for say a 12 hour change schedule.

Plotman posted 04-28-2014 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Both of the Uniden handheld marive VHF radios I have purchased in the last 5 years or so have a second battery pack that is just a holder for AA batteries.

tjxtreme posted 04-28-2014 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for tjxtreme    
I lived in Baton Rouge until a few months ago, the river is quite mighty by that point.

I did get to meet a lone guy (and dog) who was paddling the entire length by himself. He had some amazing stories, and met friendly/helpful folks all the way down... even at the mouth when he was brought back to Venice by some fishermen.

Hal Watkins posted 04-28-2014 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hal Watkins  Send Email to Hal Watkins     
Do they have Lake Itasca departure date?
PeteB88 posted 04-28-2014 11:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Mid-May, crew meeting this week for confirmation. These guys are awesome and told me today they have all the food bought, most everything geared up and have only $200 bucks! They will not be deterred and that does not mean this trip and logistics are planned to near perfection. Tim is captain and to prep for the trip he decided to paddle solo from Toledo to New Orleans and did so successfully. He said he learned how to river camp along the way. Last Friday he completed his HS internship as a science teacher and today was assigned interim full time teacher till end of the year - except days he will be on the trip.

These guys are adventurers - I talked to TIm about nutrition and they are predicting 10,000 calories/day necessary to keep pace. He told me you can take a full jar of natural peanut butter, stuff with the oil in the jar, put it in the sun for a while and it will liquify - then you drink it down. Gives a jolt for sure.

If anyone wants to contribute let me know - no intent to be solicitous but these kids are worthy! I'm gonna give them $100 bucks.

Stand by for website link.

6992WHALER posted 04-29-2014 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for 6992WHALER  Send Email to 6992WHALER     
We are in MN as well.
Spend most of our time in the Alma area

John

PeteB88 posted 04-30-2014 06:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Is any one along Mississippi interested in keeping track of the trip and possibly assisting with provisioning the crew along the way? Working on all options. They want to stay in the current as much as possible.

Also, photos or video clips of them underway or any situation along the way that we can post to website and FB page.

Priority is to find someone at mile 00 to be there as they complete the race to set the record to 1) photograph the finish and tow them a few miles upstream to their planned take- out.

Guinness has very strict rules which we are reviewing and double checking. This includes photographic proof of trip, events and completion.

I will be meeting with them often as departure date is fast approaching.

Thanks!!

I'll tell you all one thing - it is entirely inspiring for me and others close to these young guys to see and experience the intensity and complexity regarding their preparation for this trip. They have innovated many solutions from simple to complex including putting reflector tape on all devices, tools and gear - simple. And more. Other kids and young people need to know about these guys who are bright, tough and have the guts to do all this with very little and no expectations of fame and glory. Gives me hope for the future.

PeteB88 posted 05-01-2014 11:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Take another look at the FB page - photos of the boat, crew and gear. Extremely interesting. These boys are going for it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/2014-Mississippi-River-Challenge/ 211194215737391

PeteB88 posted 05-03-2014 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Departure Lansing Mich to Lake Itasca is next Friday, May 9th. Crew is training and triple checking gear. I hope to meet them today.

We got them a Icom handheld VHF w/ AA battery pack from West Marine. Other stuff and food provisions are being measured and stowed for trip.

Crew is looking for inflatable PDFs after determining they would be an advantage over conventional pdfs designed for paddling. We are trying to confirm a benefactor to offset costs - at about $100 each.

We are doing the best we can - crew was and mostly remain not interested in lots of press coverage and we respect that. However, there is so much excitement w almost everyone we talk wants to help out with the trip. I was not going to go over the top with PR and media unless crew wanted it. Nevertheless, we are grateful for sponsors and will recognized them appropriately.

PeteB88 posted 05-09-2014 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
They are on the road! I arranged local USCG AUX to do safety inspection of the canoe. Lots of tension all week during prep - looking forward to being cramped in a 4man, 23ft canoe paddling non-stop for two weeks - target to break record is 14 days - current record is 18 days and some hours.

Strategy is to go in high, fast water for max speed. That will be tricky.

IMPORTANT! We'd like to find a Boston Whaler owner to meet them at mile 00 for a critical part of the trip: TO VERIFY the finish and record the time. We DO NOT have that confirmed.

Please advise ideas.

PeteB88 posted 05-17-2014 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
UPDATE: Mississippi River Guinness Record Challenge

HEY ! This ain't National Geographic this is REAL TIME! and our MSU crew!!! Think of the TOUGHEST thing you've ever done and quadruple it or more - They had to PORTAGE SEVEN MILES as in 7 MILES yesterday! with that 23 foot canoe and all their gear!! The Mississippi is running high and fast - amazing photos when they can shoot a few - Not only are our guys going for the Guinness Record for headwaters to mouth of Mississippi, to break the record plan is to paddle for 24 hours/day non-stop, 60 strokes/minute. Get behind this project, man, contributions seriously appreciated.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/2014-Mississippi-River-Challenge/211194215737391

Important - We are looking for a Whaler owner or marina to meet them at mile 00 which is so important that verification of the record depends on it.

If any of you have ideas, please let me know. Janis is aware and helping.

Marsh posted 05-23-2014 06:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
Any way to get info for a guy who is not a member of Facebook?
I don't do Facebook; never have, never will. There may or may not be others like me. I haven't met any though.
PeteB88 posted 05-24-2014 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Great question - there is a website and I will check for options. I think you can just hit the link to their Facebook page and read it w/o being registered. Z
PeteB88 posted 05-24-2014 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Urgent- Paddlers need water!

Even with excellent planning our intrepid crew is constantly running short of drinking water. They can pump and filter underway but not enough. Must stay hydrated.

If ANYONE on this forum lives close to the route, please read the dispatch below and I can relay information to the ground crew. IF you have a Whaler and can possibly shuttle some jugs out to the crew while underway, that would be terrific. Every time they come to shore it costs them progress to break the record

They were just a few hours off the record pace a few days ago and have increased their output determined to win.

Status Update
By 2014 Mississippi River Challenge
Water Is Important / A listing of potable water sources for the downstream run has been requested by the paddlers. We are asking for tips on parks, especially near the water so they can top off their jugs and get going again. It would be information sent in a private message to the facebook page along with mile marker and tips on finding it in the dark. Any assistance would be appreciated. Their 5+ gallons on board do not last long at this pace. We do know of the wilderness stretches to come and the difficulty in resupplying that will occur. If you have tips, they would appreciate the information - Thank You In Advance For Your Help.

I think they are now upstream from Nashville
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0tSIsbM4ho6AiyqbAqkaxOvKl70qFu7Jx

We really want a Whaler to meet them at mile 00 to confirm the finish. Working with Mississippi Whaler dealer on that now.

One more thing - What these kids are doing is nothing less than heroic. Pure adventure, incredible combination of training, logistics and pure guts. In these times when the assumption is kids are lazy, video game obsessed and flabby, these guys are representative of many millenials who are backcountry minimalist campers, have healthy lifestyles and really, in many ways, are doing what many of us did when we were young - I do what I can to promote and encourage these events when I can.

PeteB88 posted 06-01-2014 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Final report - 2014 Mississippi paddle

Well...they didn't make it but were so close. Major issues had to do with river shallower than expected and heavy barge traffic at night which got flat dangerous. With shallower water came bigger wakes - way big in some cases and unsafe. There was also some serious monsoon weather and one of the crew reportedly got struck by lightning - knocked him down but he's okay.

We did have a seriously cool Whaler dealer in MS lined up to possibly meet them at the finish, Breath's Marine, been a Whaler dealer since 1962 - John Ladner there was the contact. In any case, they did a great job under tough conditions.

Maybe next time. Can't wait to debrief with them.

andygere posted 06-01-2014 03:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I enjoyed following the progress of this adventure via Facebook posts. Regardless of the finish, it was an epic journey and an adventure those young men will remember forever. Well done guys!
jimh posted 06-02-2014 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[I consolidated the four individual threads Pete had going on this event into a single thread.]

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