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bloller posted 04-21-2014 02:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for bloller   Send Email to bloller  
As sad as the Korean ferry disaster is, it is nice to see a lot of US made outboards over there. The verados look to be popular. You would think the Japanese would have all the market share
BQUICK posted 04-21-2014 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for BQUICK  Send Email to BQUICK     
Koreans aren't as fond of Japanese as you might think. Lived in Japan a number of years.....
jimh posted 04-22-2014 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
'Quick--that is my impression, too. Americans might be more enthusiastic about buying outboard engines made in Japan than Koreans.
bloller posted 04-22-2014 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for bloller  Send Email to bloller     
WWII ended 69 years ago. I guess Koreans have a longer memory than we do. I doubt politics play much of a role in the outboard business. I did see some Yamahas in the ferry footage
Tom W Clark posted 04-22-2014 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I've followed the news too and have seen quite a few photos.

I've seen lots of Yamaha, Mercury, Honda and Suzuki outboards but never saw an Evinrude E-TEC.

jcdawg83 posted 04-22-2014 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for jcdawg83    
bloller; if the Japanese had invaded the US, burned our cities, raped our women, killed our children and forced a lot of us to work as slave labor, our collective memory might be a little less forgiving, even 69 years later. The Japanese do not enjoy a lot of love from their Asian neighbors.
bloller posted 04-22-2014 12:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for bloller  Send Email to bloller     
Do you not have any love for Northerners because of General Sherman's march to the sea during our civil war
jcdawg83 posted 04-22-2014 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for jcdawg83    
It would suit me fine if they stayed up north.
jimh posted 04-23-2014 09:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Maybe the presence of all those Verado engines in Korea explains why I never see any on the Great Lakes. The E-TEC outboard is seen all over the Great Lakes, and particularly in northern Lake Huron, where all the Canadian Coast Guard boats have them. For some reason, those Canadians seem to prefer the E-TEC above all other outboard engines. I guess they just love the USA and Wisconsin.
prj posted 04-24-2014 06:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Thats curious, I see Verados regularly in all of my Great Lakes boating destinations, primarily Milwaukee and Green Bay, from either the West Shore or Door County.

I don't see any E-TECs in these same areas, perhaps its because the Canadians buy them all. Which, of course, makes sense, as its a Canadian company that owns Evinrude. I suppose you knew this though, Jim.

sosmerc posted 04-24-2014 11:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Seems to me that Canadians probably prefer to buy Canadian...hence their penchant for BRP engines :)
jimh posted 04-25-2014 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Patrick--I don't think it makes sense that you see no E-TEC engines. They make them very close to Milwaukee.

I should elaborate on my observation of Verado engines. I actually see them, but always on boats owned by the federal government, a state, or a local municipality. The Verado engines that I have seen are mostly on law enforcement boats. And, as we all know, there are plenty of law enforcement boats on the water these days.

I have never seen in person a Verado on a boat that was a re-power. In fact, I have only see pictures of perhaps two boats in the past ten years that were re-powered with a Verado. One was a Verado Four-Cylinder and the other was a Verado Six-Cylinder.

I have seen a very limited number of Verado engines on new, non-law-enforement boats, about four engines in total. But most of those engines I have seen were on just one boat: it had triple engines. The other Verado was on a newer Boston Whaler boat. Oh, I have seen Verado engines on boats at a Boston Whaler dealer, for sale. But in terms of what engines I come across on the water on other recreational boats like Patrick's and mine--older Boston Whaler boats--there are not that many Verado engines where I go boating.

I think it might be due to where I go boating, too. I don't go boating in the same 20-mile stretch of near shore, inshore, or canal waterways over and over again. Now, if you just go boating in the same 20-mile stretch of water, you might see the same boats over and over again, and you'd keep seeing the same engines over and over. On some of our boating trips, we might not see any other recreational boats, or perhaps just a very few.

These sorts of reports are all just anecdotal, and really have no statistical significance. For all I know, nine out of ten outboard engines on the Great Lakes are Mercury Verado Six-Cylinder or Verado Four-Cylinder engines, and in the past ten years I have just been boating in the only place on the Great Lakes where they aren't any.

Also, I think the Canadian government agencies might be favoring the E-TEC due to the location of the BRP headquarters in Canada, but you ought to keep in mind that those headquarters are in Quebec. For some Canadians, Quebec is a little different from "Canada." If you do any boating in Ontario it does not take long to pick up on an anti-Quebec sentiment in some Ontario folks.

When I go outside the USA it is mainly still in North America, and I see a lot of Yamaha engines. I'd say that Yamaha has a big market share in Central America and the Caribbean.

bloller posted 04-25-2014 07:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for bloller  Send Email to bloller     
I have only seen one Verado repower in person but have seen more on new boats. I still see more carb two strokes than anything
Mambo Minnow posted 04-25-2014 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Bloller, you underestimate the Asian's sense of history, much longer than our narrow and rather short world view.

The Japanese still have a great deal of revisionist history in their school textbooks that whitewashes their brutal occupation of China and events such as the "rape of Nanking" massacre.

There are 2 million ethnic Koreans living in Japan today at what equates to second class citizenship.

It is entirely plausible to me that Koreans would prefer Mercury engines to any Japanese brand. Who knows, maybe we will soon see Kia or Hyundai outboards.

Peter posted 04-25-2014 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I spent last week on one of the Windward Caribbean Islands. The only Mercury outboards I saw were I6 Verados on the go-fast touring boats and heavy load carrying dive boats. Almost all other outboards I saw were conventional Yamaha 2-strokes, many of them the being the 2-stroke Enduro model.
Jefecinco posted 04-26-2014 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
I believe those Verados we saw on the Korean boats were Mariners?

Korea was a colony of Japan until the end of WW II. The Japanese were extremely cruel colonists and were well on their way to creating a second Japan in Korea. They were trying to erase the Korean culture and language and had a lot of success. When I was in Korea in the early sixties many if not all elderly Koreans spoke Japanese. The Japanese also used Korean sex slaves to service the troops and civilian military employees during the colonization period. The thousands of Koreans who have been living in Japan for multiple generations are not assimilated and live in "Korea Towns". They are not well regarded by the Japanese.

The Japanese are quite polite but never think they are incapable of some rather remarkable behavior.

Butch

EJO posted 04-28-2014 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for EJO  Send Email to EJO     
Yes Butch hit it on the nail.
Ask an older Chinese if he likes a Japanese or ask an older Dutchman if they like the Japanese, or for that reason an older American. The answer will be a definite NO for the things the [Japanese military] did during the 20th century.
jimh posted 04-28-2014 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It seems possible that American made outboard engines might not be popular in various regions of the world based upon what the military of the USA did in those regions at sometime, either in the past, or just recently.
jcdawg83 posted 04-28-2014 04:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for jcdawg83    
Not a lot of demand for outboards in Afghanistan and Iraq jimh.
Jefecinco posted 04-28-2014 07:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Vietnam and Cambodia do have a lot of boats some of which undoubtedly use outboards. Of course, those countries also have a history with the Japanese during WW II. Hatred seems to bridge generations, especially in the Orient. Those two countries also have large populations of ethnic Chinese.

Butch

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