posted 05-15-2014 08:29 PM ET (US)        

On Friday, June 13, at 7:30 p.m., BRP executives together with the Evinrude management, will change the way you look at the outboard engine industry.
“Our announcement at the Global Reveal on Friday, June 13th is something you don’t want to miss,” said Chris Berg, director of marketing and strategic planning for Evinrude. “With this announcement comes a new era of outboards.”

http://www.boatingindustry.com/news/2014/05/08/ brp-to-unveil-new-era-of-outboards-at-club-evinrude/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH57u9T0lqU

posted 05-16-2014 10:23 AM ET (US)            

With statements like these;

"With this announcement comes a new era of outboards.”

" In addition to being among the first in the world to attend the unveiling another game-changing BRP milestone, invited attendees can also test ride the new Evinrude product"

It has me thinking something big is coming our way.

posted 05-16-2014 10:45 AM ET (US)            

Based on the research described in technical papers (recognized by the SAE for outstanding achievement) and in the useful invention of new two-stroke-power-cycle engine design described in a recent patent application, it seems clear that BRP may have developed some new engine block designs. Whether or not this June 2014 announcement will reveal these new designs across all of their outboard engine power ranges, or only in some, or only in a partial manner is hard to predict. I would be surprised if the new product reveal does not bring to market some of the technology mentioned in the research paper and patent application.

posted 05-17-2014 12:03 PM ET (US)            

http://www.evinrudenation.com/tec_contest/

posted 05-17-2014 12:08 PM ET (US)            

That motor would probably be still running if the subsequent owner took care of things.

My cousin still runs a pair of 1987 Yamaha 200's with over 6000 hours. 2 stroke was and is a very proven technology.

It will be great to see them coming back strong especially with lighter weights and better fuel numbers.

posted 05-19-2014 01:06 PM ET (US)            

I then lost the will to live after reading Jim's thread on ETEC HO's and an even darker cloud appeared on reading up on the next era of outboards

After reading all the speculations I came up with the best guess of:

Dual Fuel, Enlarged Cowl with oil storage, Black and Green Graphics, Rotary Engine, 10 year sealed for life & with auto fillet and deep fat fryer.

So whatever it maybe I hope it's a readily available option else prices of existing engines and new sales of boats may suffer.

If it's that good will some builders increase their engine options

Regards
Steve

posted 05-22-2014 09:28 AM ET (US)            

The latest video--the one I just mentioned and gave a hyperlink to--seems to be preparing us for the styling to be a radical departure from anything presently seen.

Based on the technology described in a recent engineering paper and in a recent patent application, there is a reasonable basis to assume that the intake and exhaust paths to and from the combustion chamber will employ some new refinements--I don't mean the 3-D R.A.V.E. valve which is an existing refinement. And this suggests the engine block will be a new design, using a new casting which will incorporate this new technology of intake paths and exhaust paths.

My guess is that the new technology will be employed on the engine where it can carry the highest price, so that will mean an engine in the very high horsepower range. Look for a 300-HP model, I'd guess.

Evinrude already has substantial innovation to continue to use, such as electronic remote engine throttle and shift (ICON controls) and completely digital instrumentation (ICON gauges), so those are certain to be features. Evinrude also has integrated electronically controlled remote power independent engine steering with joystick operation (Optimus 360 Steering), so that will certainly be part of the new engine, too. All of these refinements might be standard components of a new engine, instead of optional components as they are now.

posted 05-23-2014 03:45 PM ET (US)            

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Based on a few images that someone posted (for a few minutes on THEHULLTRUTH) without authorization, I think it is safe to say the cowling design of the new Evinrude outboard is going to be different.

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I saw those too and the motor was remarkable ugly. So ugly, in fact, that I doubt that is what is coming. I suspect it was disguise.

Many years ago when I was studying economics at a University in Southern California, I used to see prototype cars at Donut Hut #3 in Mentone late at night (the apple fritters came out the fryer at 11:30 PM!)

I came to learn these were cars were having mileage put on them for testing purposes. Drivers were hired to drive the cars each night from LA up through the San Bernardino Mountains and back in darkness.

posted 05-23-2014 05:26 PM ET (US)            

I seem to remember some years back a controversy was caused when the ugly false body panels were removed on the new (at the time) XJ6 jaguar was being long distance road tested in the USA

It's quite possible all images even the ones Jim and I looked at on the video are not truly representative

posted 05-24-2014 03:29 AM ET (US)            

Still - looking at the video posted over at Youtube - I'm not pushing my hopes too high up.

A certain amount spin and hype has been the standard of N-A BRP marketing for some time, and a lot of times promises made have left me feeling let down when the actual new products have been presented.
This has not been helped by a lot of "just wait and see what's coming!" strutted around on other forums (by posters who seem to have some inside contacts to BRP or who have visited the company).

Whatever it is that is coming, I'll make a note to check it out. As for what I would wish for... well, the 40 HP to 90 HP E-TEC models have been out on market for quite some time now, haven't they?

(Yes, there has been some updates, like new gen injectors, but still pretty much the original stuff still selling, which of course also tells us how good the design has been.)

Br, Seb

posted 05-24-2014 11:17 AM ET (US)            

I have to confess, I also found the new Evinrude cowling shape to be radical. I don't know if the one photographed on the water was a prototype cowling, or if we will be awaiting something very similar to be shown on June 12th. I am somewhat in doubt that the engineering and production resources of Evinrude would allow for the creation of an intentionally misleading cowling design to be used on a few prototype engines.

posted 05-26-2014 10:36 AM ET (US)            

I first became aware of the wealth of metadata contained in a JPEG image from two incidents. The first occurred when we were in the Pacific Ocean doing some humpback whale watching in the Bahía de Banderas. We were on a small boat, and the boat captain was involved with a group interested in sharing data about whale sightings and whale movement. Each whale we encountered was photographed with a high-end digital camera. The captain explained that the camera had an internal GPS receiver, and each image would be tagged with the location. By examining the images they could identify individual whales from their distinctive tail markings, and from the position metadata could know the exact location and time. The information was collected into a shared database. I don't know exactly who got the data or what they used it for, as I was more interested in the concept of the image being tagged with the geographic position information.

The second incident did not happen to me first hand, but I read about it. A woman wanted to divorce her wealthy husband. She faked her own kidnapping. The husband refused to provide any ransom money until he saw a picture of his wife still alive and well. The fake kidnappers took a picture of the wife with a smartphone, and sent it electronically to the husband. The police extracted the metadata from the image, which showed it was taken very recently and gave the latitude and longitude. The police found the woman and her accomplice in a nearby motel room.

After that, I learned that just about any image taken with a modern smartphone probably has some geographic data attached.

posted 05-27-2014 10:38 AM ET (US)            

But jimh is correct, you need to be cautious just what you send or post as that innocent picture of your Whaler from your yard can pinpoint your boat

posted 06-12-2014 05:02 AM ET (US)            

First, what I am not betting: it will not...
- be a motor that does not have cylinders and pistons in an already common configuration.
- be motor that can run on diesel or some low-rate fuel (emissions).
- be that much more mechanically complex than the current E-TEC generation.
- have a forward facing prop or a two-prop setup.

What it could be:
- New generation piston/cylinder head set-up. More or less the same injectors, but control hardware and new software, better injection control. This giving better fuel economy and/or better performance per cylinder size.
- New smart-machine generation user interface, optional touch-screen the multiple setup choices.
- New possibilities to use smartphone and tablet apps to interface with the outboard, getting fuel consumption, rpm, speed (integrated GSP) as logged info, like a sports tracker system.
- New cowling allowing the outboard to run cooler in hot conditions, allowing for better emission control and more power per cylinder size, still with 3-star rating or better.
- New type of E-TEC that can use both LNG and gas as fuel.
- New high-grade aluminum used for lower total weight.
- New engine control system checks the usage profile and temperatures etc., allowing for up to 4 year or 400 hours without service, or smart service option with task to be done chosen on engine log/usage profile and recommendations.

That’s my 3 cents! :-)

posted 06-12-2014 08:19 PM ET (US)            

Dave

posted 06-12-2014 11:08 PM ET (US)            

--two-stroke power cycle, direct injection

--new engine block castings with different V-block angles

--new intake design, based on material presented in SAE paper

--new exhaust design, based on patent by same two guys that authored SAE paper

--significant departure from present styling of cowling

--oil reservoir under cowling to simply rigging by elimination of remote tank and oil hose line

--cowling segmented into panels to provide access to oil tank; it won't be a one-piece, lift off cowling. Possibly the panels may be styling elements for new colors or other treatments.

The engine will also include all the existing enhancements available on present engines, where they are optional. The ICON remote electronic throttle and shift will probably be standard. There may be some integrated steering so that steering and throttle-shift control can be controlled electronically for auto pilot and for low-speed maneuvering like the present Optimus 360 system has. Of course there will be NMEA-2000 instrumentation.

There may be a new gear case design to handle more power, and to swing larger diameter propellers. And there may be new propellers.

The goal will be to improve fuel economy compared to present E-TEC engines, while maintaining power and acceleration, or even improving it. The new technology will be first shown in the 250-HP range, and may be intended to grow to even higher power engines.

There may be a new water pump design, based on a patent filed a few years ago, with a combination of a drive shaft driven pump and an electrical pump.

The best possible features would be reduced weight and reduced price, but I do not expect that to be likely.

posted 06-13-2014 08:47 AM ET (US)            

Dave

posted 06-13-2014 03:45 PM ET (US)            

So right now, I count at least 5 things that might appear on the new era motor.

1. Hydraulically controlled variable pitch propeller system;
2. Rearranged engine block and exhaust ports to accommodate exhaust valves;
3. Integrated trim/steering system;
4. Water cooling system using two pumps: 1)a primary centrifugal pump driven by the motor and 2) a positive displacement auxiliary pump driven by an electric motor to improve efficiency and durability; and
5. Hydraulic control system.

All of these items are described in patents or patent applications filed within the last 6 to 7 years.

posted 06-13-2014 04:02 PM ET (US)            

Jim, glad the pics were of interest.

Dave

posted 06-13-2014 05:21 PM ET (US)            

There is no way those are double 350s on that pontoon though lol.