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egres posted 06-01-2014 06:40 PM ET (US)   Profile for egres   Send Email to egres  
Motors, hull designs,improvements and a vast amount of ideas will be currently discussed. In relation to the BW common bond. Let us see if the name has kept up to the present times. I know that I personally have bee pleased as punch with the innovation and availability of the Montauk 210 from the designers from the Plant floor, and that Chuck Bennet had an obvious hand in this Classic inspired model.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=boston+whaler+montauk+210&tbm=isch&tbo=u& source=univ&sa=X&ei=UquLU7C9AYG8oQTx-oDwBg&sqi=2&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1024& bih=639
I will invite your thoughts in tossing around this newest offering from the Boston Whaler/Brunswick team.
myakka posted 06-01-2014 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for myakka  Send Email to myakka     
I like the swamped Seacraft highlighted as the new Montauk. Personally i have owned several classic BW's and have found the Dauntless 220 (post classic) to be the best small (relative) boat I have owned.
jimh posted 06-02-2014 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The 210 MONTAUK seems like modern version of the classic OUTRAGE 22.
ktm3ten posted 06-02-2014 01:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for ktm3ten  Send Email to ktm3ten     
One of the interesting tidbits as it relates to the Montauk 210 is the margins for sale. I recently investigated the purchase of a Montauk 210 or a Dauntless 210.

While there is a major difference in MSRP as related on the Whaler site with similar options, the actual sale price available from dealers (many on a "cost plus" basis) was actually pretty similar. Two boats, optioned similarly had over $20,000 higher price for the Dauntless according to the "build your boat" option on the whaler site. Actual sale prices were less than $5000 apart, Dauntless still being higher.

Now, this is one customers experience with one dealer so it may reflect some other difference, but in speaking with others, there seems to be much more markup on the Dauntless series than the Montauk Series.

martyn1075 posted 06-02-2014 01:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Any kind of interest from me gets quickly put on the back burner as soon as the price is mentioned. The 21 Montauk and the 190 Outrage are the closest you will find to find a few ounces of the glory days but at 74K CDN list price fully loaded plus tax 12% for a 190 Outrage it becomes, well simply not worth it and any attraction is forgotten quite quickly. 35-45K tops everything in loaded and the bait and beer and thank you flowers as a nice gesture and perhaps there is chance a second glance with glasses off. Lets be honest these boats are sitting in the dealers where I live at those prices.

Martyn

Jefecinco posted 06-02-2014 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
I used to spend virtually every weekend in Winnipeg while stationed in Nekoma, ND for a year. I enjoyed those weekends a lot as I was a single officer and Nekoma was a town of perhaps 450 souls.

I found that Canada, for such a close neighbor, was a world apart from the US in many respects. In the US one can usually find a dealer willing to "deal" if the buyer is willing to do the searches and drive the distances required to get a deal. From Martyn's comments perhaps a deal is much more difficult to find in Canada. I wonder if that holds true for other high end products such as cars and trucks.

Butch

andrey320 posted 06-03-2014 01:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for andrey320  Send Email to andrey320     
The 210 Montauk is my dream boat....
I've crawled around on a few different new boats but this one just felt right. It seemed to be twice the size of my Dauntless 15. I'd love to get the commercial version - saw a LAPD bomb dive one with a 250....
boatdryver posted 06-03-2014 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
I agree that new boat prices are discouraging and seem almost insane, but I have to admit I really admire the looks of the 210 Montauk.

On a drippy Foggy day I saw a 210 Montauk tied up at Roche Harbor, Washington which had a beautiful custom three sided fiberglass pilot house with a 3 glass windows, complete with front wiper, all painted up exactly the same color as the gel coat.
On top was a radar antenna. Power was the new Mercury 150 HP fourstroke and an 8 HP kicker. She was fitted with two downriggers and a crab puller.

Now, that was one fine Whaler. It gave me hope that there is still demand for the classic design among new boat buyers.

I was nearly overcome with envy.

JimL

wally910 posted 06-04-2014 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for wally910  Send Email to wally910     
With a base price of 47K, I would go in other directions. It looks like a nice boat, but if I'm going to spend that kind of money, it's going to be on a slightly used 21 Regulator, Contender or Bluewater that I can actually go forty or fifty miles offshore in more than 1-2 ft seas.

I realize the old saying "different strokes for different folks", but I just can't imagine spending that kind of money on what is essentially a bay boat.

andygere posted 06-04-2014 04:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
That's a nice looking boat, and much truer to the form of the classic Whaler that made the brand what it was. After a closer look, I'm not so in love with this big Montauk. Most of my complaints reside in with the interior. For example, what is the enormous deck-eating bulge in front of the motor well? Is it a drink cooler, live well, or cocktail sink? cold they have figured out a way to get it in the deck instead of on the deck or under one of the tiny jump seats? Instead of having a roomy, open deck area behind the pilot seat, you have these tiny aisles where even a modest size person could not pass by another, say while one was fighting a fish, and the other preparing to net it. I am amazed that modern boat makers (not just Whaler) seem to think that the buying public wants all this ridiculous furniture cluttering up an already small vessel. Do you really need a walk in pee-pee hut inside the center console? Where do you put your charts, tackle, binocs, filet knives and all the small things that used to go in the center console right beneath the helm (where you could reach it)? The same goes for the pilot seat. Instead of having an enclosed but not water tight box beneath the seat, why not leave it open like the classic RPS (or even the smaller 170 Montauk) such that a standard cooler could be slid beneath at the skipper's discretion. On my Outrage 22 Cuddy, the forward 96 qt cooler serves as the fish box on fishing trips, or dry storage on cruises. The 72 qt. cooler beneath the pilot seat is where we keep the food and beverage. On this boat, it looks like bleeding salmon and ham sandwiches share the same space--better make mine tuna so I don't notice!

Just eyeballing the specs I see that standard power is 150 hp and max power is 200 hp. My Outrage 22 has a range of 90 hp to 240 hp, a much bigger spread. This makes me think the Montauk is a heavy beast, (all that furniture, ya know) and 150 hp is the price point motor, but it really needs the 200 if you ever plan to bring a few friends along.

Final grade: A for aesthetics, C- on deck plan.

martyn1075 posted 06-04-2014 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Andy very good points! It is heavy its 2500lbs dry! add motor 450 trailer 1100, gear and fuel and you are into a nearly 5K rig!! The 205 Conquest when they had it was the same weight most high end 20 foot cuddies are in that range as well. Apparently it handles rough water in a much different manner then the 190 Montauk. One thing I do like about the boat is that it has a nice wide beam with tons of room but I have to agree with Andy the design is spry. With that kind of width I would expect slightly larger gunells perhaps with some storage and two built in fish lockers also incredible for storage as well when not in use for fishing provide a great place for drinks or other activities.
Teak Oil posted 06-04-2014 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I agree with Andy, on papaer it looks close to the old 22 Outrage, but with less fuel capacity, a heavier hull, and less available HP it is found lacking.

It is only 1 foot shorter than the old 22, but it seems to have less room in the bow and in the stern.

A classic 22 in good condition with modern power can be had for less money than a new 210, and is a more capable boat IMO.

That said, I still like the 210 Montauk, and it does a good job of carrying on the classic Whaler ideal of a utility boat.

martyn1075 posted 06-04-2014 08:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Its a nice boat but when you ask heavy prices people will expect all the extras desires and pick it apart if it doesn't. I don't doubt they cost a fair amount to build but can the profit margin be this high? Here is an example of price gouging.

\http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/bod/4455898238.html

andygere posted 06-04-2014 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
"Its a nice boat but when you ask heavy prices people will expect all the extras desires and pick it apart if it doesn't."

I think this is true. Imagine if they charged less heavy prices and included less add-on stuff (often called features).

fishinchips posted 06-05-2014 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for fishinchips  Send Email to fishinchips     
I decided to sell my 170 montauk, its been a great boat. Looked at 210 and the 190 montauks. Went with a new to me 190 montauk. Just cost to much for a 210 montauk.
rinoue posted 06-27-2014 10:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for rinoue  Send Email to rinoue     
Hello

I have a 2013 210 Montauk with 150hp 4-stroke, T-top, split bow rail, and I would like to share with you my experience with this boat so far.

Some people think 150 4-stroke is underpowered but it's enough for me. It reached 38mph at WOT (full fuel, 100lbs of ice and drinks, fishing gear, 5 people on board)WITH T-TOP. The WOT with 2 people & 1/2 tank was about a bit over 42 mph (the performance bulletin shows 42mph w/o t-top...).

I decided not to have a livewell, so there's no bulge in front of the motorwell. So, I have more than enough space for 2 people to pass by even after I placed a 50qt cooler.

The storage space under the RPS is quite useful to store buckets, tackle boxes, etc. It is quite dry unless you spray the water directly to the lid. I will install a gasket around the lid to make it water tight.

There's a storage/ice chest at the bow (behind the anchor locker). I use this space to put fenders, ropes, brushes, etc. And the ice chest at the front of console is used for food and beverages.

The space under the console is small for average adult male. I'm 5'8" and fine to get in there. There's a small space at the forwad of the head where I put safety kits, manuals, and spare anchor in there. And stern cushion are sitting on top of the head. So if someone need to use the head, I simple pull cushions out.

I haven't experiened driving it in the rough weather (I usually fish in Moriches Bay, NY). So, I can't tell how it rides in the rough water. But during the light chop water, the boat didn't pound and it was dry.

I know this isn't a cheap boat for this size, compared with other manufacturers. but I am very satisfied with the ride and wuality of this Montauk.

Whalerdog posted 07-05-2014 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdog  Send Email to Whalerdog     
I would love to hammer a 21 in real rough water! 200 would be real nice. Seems to go good with all the people, fuel, and weight you had in it.
Binkster posted 07-07-2014 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
When you're hooked on restored classics the new Whalers are barely noticable. I think alot of other brands have passed them by.
Why do you think Chuck Bennett had an obvious hand in the design of this boat?

rich

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