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Don SSDD posted 07-13-2014 03:42 PM ET (US)
What are the dry weigh and horsepower ratings of a 1991 GUARDIAN 19? I read they were the same hull as the 1990 Outrage 18. Thanks--Don
Ltsimp posted 07-13-2014 07:41 PM ET (US)
According to the specs listed in the 1991 sales flyer. Guardian 19 specs are as follows.
LOA 18' 6"
Beam 7' 2"
Draft 10"
Boat weight 1750#
Max load cap O/B 1755#
Persons cap 7
Swamped Cap 3000#
Max Hp 150
Min Hp 75
Fuel cap 54 gals
The boat weight is without motor; add 900 to 1,500-lbs depending on engine (outboard or sterndrive) choice.
jimh posted 07-13-2014 08:38 PM ET (US)
I don't think I have ever seen a sterndrive-powered 18-foot OUTRAGE or GUARDIAN.
Don SSDD posted 07-13-2014 09:21 PM ET (US)
Thanks. 500-lbs heavier--that's good and bad. I would have thought the Guardian would be rated for more power than a same-sized Outrage.
mkelly posted 07-14-2014 03:22 PM ET (US)
I have a 1994 19 Outrage: 1,900-lbs dry and rated at 150 HP. It's fine but could handle 200-HP. The Outrage 18 is good for 150-HP as it's only about 1,300-lbs. The 19's need more juice.
Marko888 posted 07-14-2014 03:45 PM ET (US)
Many believe the published weight for the original Outrage 18 wasn't correct. Perhaps marketing wanted it to not be much heavier than a Montauk. Most of the doubters, myself included--I own one--believe the Outrage 18 hull weight to be about 1,600-lbs or 150-lbs less than the heavy lay-up Guardian version.
elvis posted 07-15-2014 04:59 AM ET (US)
My 1987 Guardian 18 came with a 200-HP engine. I'm planning on re-powering new with the same. I was thinking this hull and yours were the same or closely similar; perhaps not?
I have it stripped down to nothing, presently. No interior, no engine, and I have on order a new 63-gallonf fuel tank. Once installed, I'll drop the floor back in and will be taking it to the CAT Scales to weigh it as bare hull. I'll be posting numbers and findings here. That will be in late August, possibly sooner. The numbers that I read from Whaler was a bare hull at 1,500-lbs, if memory serves.
One other thing: mine has a factory dive door and that may add or reduce weight, I'm not sure, as Whaler said that door-equipped models had extra supports in them on the port side for the door. Thanks
Chuck Tribolet posted 07-15-2014 07:30 AM ET (US)
I think 900 pounds would be on the high side for a 150 HP outboard.
My 90HP Evinrude is 329 pounds or thereabouts.

Chuck
Don SSDD posted 07-15-2014 09:22 PM ET (US)
If you had an opportunity to buy a 1989 Outrage 18 or a 1991 Guardian 19--which I think are the same hull--which would you buy and why? Assume similar condition and outboard power.
Would the extra weight and strength of the Guardian be worth the extra weight to be hauling around? Cosmetically the Guardian is more commercial in finish, but is the extra material in it worth having for normal use?
I have an 1987 Montauk 17, so the 18 or 19 looks like the next step up. The newer 190 Montauk is interesting, but I feel they are under-powered with a Mercury 115-HP FOURSTROKE. I tried a new hull 170 Montauk. It is bigger than my 17--but not much--and rides better in rougher water, but it weighs a bunch more and didn't impress me that much.
Just wondering.
Marko888 posted 07-15-2014 10:45 PM ET (US)
As I own a 1985 Outrage 18, I'm probably biased, but I'd choose the lighter boat for my use, for the following reasons:
--I prefer the removable floor for fuel tank access, fuel line replacement, and maintenance
--I prefer the extra room (at the expense of storage) in the bow. Also more height under a Mills forward shelter.--Simpler kicker mounting with the big wide transom.
--Loaded up and full of fuel, the 18 settles into the water when fishing and reduces freeboard. I think the heavier boat may be a bit worse in this regard.
--Proportionally, the Outrage 18 can't be beat for looks, especially with the teak gunwales.
Guardian pluses:
--Taller console is better protection
--more storage
--less likely to take on water in a following sea, but with the 18's full width splash well, it's no big deal.
--probably rides a bit better due to the extra weight.
whalerdude posted 07-15-2014 11:30 PM ET (US)
I have owned a 1989 Guardian 19 and a 1991 Outrage 19'. I did not feel that the Guardian felt any heavier. I had a Yamaha 150-HP two-stroke engine, and the boat would top out at 50-MPH. It was a unique Guardian as it had bow rail delete and the front deck option. It had large side railings powder coated to match the hull. I remember my visit to Sells Marine in Mequon, Wisconsin. I was moving up from my Montauk. They had a new Outrage 19 on the showroom floor with the 150 Yamaha installed. My girlfriend was snooping around outside and saw the new Guardian with no engine on it. When I saw the Guardian I asked If I could buy that instead and have the 150 from the Outrage installed on it The answer was "yes", and I think it cost the same, too. It was an awesome boat, and I wish that I had kept it! I sold it when I got married and bought the first home. I would take that Guardian out on some really huge wave days. I was a lot crazier back then. A nice plus was that all of the YAHOOS in their Cigarette and Bajas would mellow out thinking that I was a cop boat.
I have an Outrage now. I like it almost as much. The old two stroke was a little faster and more responsive. The Outrage has a lot more places to sit and still has the beautiful lines I love. I need to hold on to this one.
elvis posted 07-16-2014 05:05 AM ET (US)
I have had both a 1985 Outrage 18 and this 1987 Guardian 18. I put many miles and hours on the 18, and loved it, no regrets. For an 18, it rode much better than the 17 Montauk I owned previously, plus it was essentially self bailing. I would leave the plug out and while it would take on about a gallon of water in the small sump, that was about it, rain or shine.
I didn't like the maintenance of the wood gunwales, although the wood is really nice looking. Other than that, the 18 rocks.
My son bought a 1991 Guardian 20 with dive door, and I loved it, particularly the dive door, and I always wanted one. When I came across this 18 with a door (unusual find), I bought it and began a complete refit; almost finished.
It had a 200 on it, and I sold that, to be replaced with a new 200.
Both the Outrage and 18 appear very similar; gunwales are different, rails and cleats different, heavier glass. I have little run time in this Guardian 18, and we test ran it a few miles, trailered it, and it's been sitting since then as I fixed it up.
Console and removeable floor appears to be the same on both hulls, and the same with the 63-gallon tank, which I recently removed. I ordered a new one last week out of Tampa, and I'll be installing that aluminum tank probably in a the next week.
Great hulls, my opinion; small, but pack a tremendous punch for the size; easy to trailer, store, launch, not bad on fuel, ride good and dry. Highly recommend the 18 size.
Don SSDD posted 07-16-2014 10:39 AM ET (US)
I guess I got my question answered, they are both very good hulls, pick one and you can't go wrong.
Thanks,
Don
bkovak posted 07-16-2014 04:38 PM ET (US)
Don,
I agree with the last two posts. I currently have both a 1985 Outrage 18 and an '86 Guardian 18. Both have 150 2 strokes (late 90's) and they are very similar in appearance except the Guardian is noticeably more heavy duty with the larger side rails and console. Similar in performance. If you want to see them side by side to compare them and you are close to Philly or NJ, let me know. I will be Selling the Outrage but currently fishing the hell out of the Guardian! Both are great boats, easy to trailer and handle.
Brian
Don SSDD posted 07-16-2014 09:36 PM ET (US)
Thanks, I am in Nova Scotia, not too far by boat if you have a big enough gas tank.
Don

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Author	Topic: GUARDIAN 19
Don SSDD	posted 07-13-2014 03:42 PM ET (US) What are the dry weigh and horsepower ratings of a 1991 GUARDIAN 19? I read they were the same hull as the 1990 Outrage 18. Thanks--Don
Ltsimp	posted 07-13-2014 07:41 PM ET (US) According to the specs listed in the 1991 sales flyer. Guardian 19 specs are as follows. LOA 18' 6" Beam 7' 2" Draft 10" Boat weight 1750# Max load cap O/B 1755# Persons cap 7 Swamped Cap 3000# Max Hp 150 Min Hp 75 Fuel cap 54 gals The boat weight is without motor; add 900 to 1,500-lbs depending on engine (outboard or sterndrive) choice.
jimh	posted 07-13-2014 08:38 PM ET (US) I don't think I have ever seen a sterndrive-powered 18-foot OUTRAGE or GUARDIAN.
Don SSDD	posted 07-13-2014 09:21 PM ET (US) Thanks. 500-lbs heavier--that's good and bad. I would have thought the Guardian would be rated for more power than a same-sized Outrage.
mkelly	posted 07-14-2014 03:22 PM ET (US) I have a 1994 19 Outrage: 1,900-lbs dry and rated at 150 HP. It's fine but could handle 200-HP. The Outrage 18 is good for 150-HP as it's only about 1,300-lbs. The 19's need more juice.
Marko888	posted 07-14-2014 03:45 PM ET (US) Many believe the published weight for the original Outrage 18 wasn't correct. Perhaps marketing wanted it to not be much heavier than a Montauk. Most of the doubters, myself included--I own one--believe the Outrage 18 hull weight to be about 1,600-lbs or 150-lbs less than the heavy lay-up Guardian version.
elvis	posted 07-15-2014 04:59 AM ET (US) My 1987 Guardian 18 came with a 200-HP engine. I'm planning on re-powering new with the same. I was thinking this hull and yours were the same or closely similar; perhaps not? I have it stripped down to nothing, presently. No interior, no engine, and I have on order a new 63-gallonf fuel tank. Once installed, I'll drop the floor back in and will be taking it to the CAT Scales to weigh it as bare hull. I'll be posting numbers and findings here. That will be in late August, possibly sooner. The numbers that I read from Whaler was a bare hull at 1,500-lbs, if memory serves. One other thing: mine has a factory dive door and that may add or reduce weight, I'm not sure, as Whaler said that door-equipped models had extra supports in them on the port side for the door. Thanks
Chuck Tribolet	posted 07-15-2014 07:30 AM ET (US) I think 900 pounds would be on the high side for a 150 HP outboard. My 90HP Evinrude is 329 pounds or thereabouts. Chuck
Don SSDD	posted 07-15-2014 09:22 PM ET (US) If you had an opportunity to buy a 1989 Outrage 18 or a 1991 Guardian 19--which I think are the same hull--which would you buy and why? Assume similar condition and outboard power. Would the extra weight and strength of the Guardian be worth the extra weight to be hauling around? Cosmetically the Guardian is more commercial in finish, but is the extra material in it worth having for normal use? I have an 1987 Montauk 17, so the 18 or 19 looks like the next step up. The newer 190 Montauk is interesting, but I feel they are under-powered with a Mercury 115-HP FOURSTROKE. I tried a new hull 170 Montauk. It is bigger than my 17--but not much--and rides better in rougher water, but it weighs a bunch more and didn't impress me that much. Just wondering.
Marko888	posted 07-15-2014 10:45 PM ET (US) As I own a 1985 Outrage 18, I'm probably biased, but I'd choose the lighter boat for my use, for the following reasons: --I prefer the removable floor for fuel tank access, fuel line replacement, and maintenance --I prefer the extra room (at the expense of storage) in the bow. Also more height under a Mills forward shelter.--Simpler kicker mounting with the big wide transom. --Loaded up and full of fuel, the 18 settles into the water when fishing and reduces freeboard. I think the heavier boat may be a bit worse in this regard. --Proportionally, the Outrage 18 can't be beat for looks, especially with the teak gunwales. Guardian pluses: --Taller console is better protection --more storage --less likely to take on water in a following sea, but with the 18's full width splash well, it's no big deal. --probably rides a bit better due to the extra weight.
whalerdude	posted 07-15-2014 11:30 PM ET (US) I have owned a 1989 Guardian 19 and a 1991 Outrage 19'. I did not feel that the Guardian felt any heavier. I had a Yamaha 150-HP two-stroke engine, and the boat would top out at 50-MPH. It was a unique Guardian as it had bow rail delete and the front deck option. It had large side railings powder coated to match the hull. I remember my visit to Sells Marine in Mequon, Wisconsin. I was moving up from my Montauk. They had a new Outrage 19 on the showroom floor with the 150 Yamaha installed. My girlfriend was snooping around outside and saw the new Guardian with no engine on it. When I saw the Guardian I asked If I could buy that instead and have the 150 from the Outrage installed on it The answer was "yes", and I think it cost the same, too. It was an awesome boat, and I wish that I had kept it! I sold it when I got married and bought the first home. I would take that Guardian out on some really huge wave days. I was a lot crazier back then. A nice plus was that all of the YAHOOS in their Cigarette and Bajas would mellow out thinking that I was a cop boat. I have an Outrage now. I like it almost as much. The old two stroke was a little faster and more responsive. The Outrage has a lot more places to sit and still has the beautiful lines I love. I need to hold on to this one.
elvis	posted 07-16-2014 05:05 AM ET (US) I have had both a 1985 Outrage 18 and this 1987 Guardian 18. I put many miles and hours on the 18, and loved it, no regrets. For an 18, it rode much better than the 17 Montauk I owned previously, plus it was essentially self bailing. I would leave the plug out and while it would take on about a gallon of water in the small sump, that was about it, rain or shine. I didn't like the maintenance of the wood gunwales, although the wood is really nice looking. Other than that, the 18 rocks. My son bought a 1991 Guardian 20 with dive door, and I loved it, particularly the dive door, and I always wanted one. When I came across this 18 with a door (unusual find), I bought it and began a complete refit; almost finished. It had a 200 on it, and I sold that, to be replaced with a new 200. Both the Outrage and 18 appear very similar; gunwales are different, rails and cleats different, heavier glass. I have little run time in this Guardian 18, and we test ran it a few miles, trailered it, and it's been sitting since then as I fixed it up. Console and removeable floor appears to be the same on both hulls, and the same with the 63-gallon tank, which I recently removed. I ordered a new one last week out of Tampa, and I'll be installing that aluminum tank probably in a the next week. Great hulls, my opinion; small, but pack a tremendous punch for the size; easy to trailer, store, launch, not bad on fuel, ride good and dry. Highly recommend the 18 size.
Don SSDD	posted 07-16-2014 10:39 AM ET (US) I guess I got my question answered, they are both very good hulls, pick one and you can't go wrong. Thanks, Don
bkovak	posted 07-16-2014 04:38 PM ET (US) Don, I agree with the last two posts. I currently have both a 1985 Outrage 18 and an '86 Guardian 18. Both have 150 2 strokes (late 90's) and they are very similar in appearance except the Guardian is noticeably more heavy duty with the larger side rails and console. Similar in performance. If you want to see them side by side to compare them and you are close to Philly or NJ, let me know. I will be Selling the Outrage but currently fishing the hell out of the Guardian! Both are great boats, easy to trailer and handle. Brian
Don SSDD	posted 07-16-2014 09:36 PM ET (US) Thanks, I am in Nova Scotia, not too far by boat if you have a big enough gas tank. Don