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Don SSDD posted 07-18-2014 04:21 AM ET (US)
I saw a 1991 GUARDIAN 19 today, no trailer. In-the-water pictures are all I have so far. I will see it Sat on a trailer so I can look at the bottom. It used to have 2 70HP twins, it now has a 1996 140 Evinrude. It still has the twin controls and tachs but is being run on the left controls only. It runs much quieter than the 1998 90HP Merc on my Montauk. The boat has not even been washed, the owner is due for a knee replacement so hasn't used it much. He was the Boston Whaler dealer and Evinrude dealer before selling his business and said the boat was used as a work boat, he bought it government surplus five years ago. The twins were toast, the Evinrude he said was rebuilt in his shop, top to bottom before being installed. It is in better condition than what I thought it would be for the price. He says it has a kevlar keel guard on it as well by the way.
The upholstery is toast, but with a good wash and wax, I think it will look very good. The gelcoat on the interior and the floor is in better shape than my 1987, I'm really interested in looking at the bottom. The area by the gas tank filler has 2 cracks, he said the tank is half full and has 2 year old gas in it, with stabilizers.
What are your thoughts on a value for the hull alone?
Where do I find the serial number on this boat?
It appears to be red under the paint, maybe Coast Guard.
It doesn't have a forward floor locker, the forward area is different from other Guardians or Outrages, all rounded and smooth.
The gunwales seem narrower and it has regular stainless steel rails.
Will it measure 18'6" and 7'2" with a tape on the top sides, or are those numbers from some other area?
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/3952594
Thanks,
Don
elvis posted 07-18-2014 05:09 AM ET (US)
Hyperlink: http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/3952594
Dave Sutton posted 07-18-2014 08:08 AM ET (US)
Red usually means a fire department boat, which would be a typical application for one of these. Generally they sit and aren't run all that much in typical fire department use. Interesting that the engines were pulled, as generally they are low hours when sold surplus, but every one is an individual. Good boats.

Dave
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jimh posted 07-18-2014 08:21 AM ET (US)

quote:
The upholstery is toast.
"Toast" is an unfortunate descriptor. "Toast" is a color name. Do you mean the upholstery is a certain color or that its condition is poor?
The location of the Hull Identification Number should be on the transom, as described in the FAQ. See
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q2
Since the hull has been painted, the stencil number may have been painted over.
The greatest concern I would have about this boat is the painted-over gel coat finish. In the long run I think maintaining the hull cosmetic appearance may be a lot of work.
Two-year-old gasoline that has been properly stabilized can still be good, but it may depend on the climate where it was stored.
As for value assessment, take the asking price, and deduct from it the value of the engine, the rigging, any accessories like railings, console, seats, ice chests, or similar, and any included gear, such as lines, fenders, radios, electronics, engine rigging, steering, and so on. This should give you the asking price of the hull alone.
Don SSDD posted 07-18-2014 02:34 PM ET (US)
Thanks all. I got some numbers, the plate at the stern, riveted on the starboard side is impossible to read. There is a metal plate on the inside, lower starboard side, just ahead of the console, it reads BWC6935EC191, which I interpret to read March 1991 and the serial number.
It has no floor anchor locker up front. The red on the exterior hull where the paint is worn off, hard to say, it could be primer?
The outboard is an Evinrude E140TXERR, which makes it a 1994 140HP with electric start and trim and tilt. Serial #G03549965.
I'm will be having a serious look at it tomorrow with a boater friend. It has a black dot by the Whaler logo.--Don
jimh posted 07-18-2014 03:49 PM ET (US)
If you read the FAQ on hull identification, then you know the significance of the color gel coat dot by the logo.
Don SSDD posted 07-18-2014 04:52 PM ET (US)
They [who?--jimh] don't mention a red hull, so I assume it means it would have the grey gelcoat hull under the paint. In commercial, could you order any colour and configuration?
jimh posted 07-18-2014 11:16 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler used to have a separate product group called CGP for Commerical and Government Products. If you ordered a boat from CGP you could probably order it with almost any configuration you wanted, and I assume that would include the gel coat color. I believe Haze Gray was the standard commerical hull gel coat color.
I think it was also possible to order a boat from a regular recreational boat dealer and get the hull layup with a heavier schedule, which is what the color dot indicates. A boat like that would be a regular recreational model, but just have a hull with the "work boat" layup.
It shouldn't be too hard to determine the hull's original gel coat color. A little probing in an inconspicuous area should permit excavating the various layers until you hit gel coat.
Don SSDD posted 07-25-2014 08:21 PM ET (US)
Well I bought it and motored home in it today, it works fine. It is a red gelcoat under the paint, it would have been a Cdn Coast Guard vessel I would guess. I've seen one other Whaler with the red hull. The engine ran fine, I added fresh fuel and plan on using the old fuel up as quickly as possible. It starts easily and runs very smoothly, much smoother than the 90 Merc 3 cylinder, which idles roughly, I assume a V4 is smoother than a 3 cylinder.
Thanks for the input and help.
Don

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Author	Topic: Advice on 1991 Guardian 19
Don SSDD	posted 07-18-2014 04:21 AM ET (US) I saw a 1991 GUARDIAN 19 today, no trailer. In-the-water pictures are all I have so far. I will see it Sat on a trailer so I can look at the bottom. It used to have 2 70HP twins, it now has a 1996 140 Evinrude. It still has the twin controls and tachs but is being run on the left controls only. It runs much quieter than the 1998 90HP Merc on my Montauk. The boat has not even been washed, the owner is due for a knee replacement so hasn't used it much. He was the Boston Whaler dealer and Evinrude dealer before selling his business and said the boat was used as a work boat, he bought it government surplus five years ago. The twins were toast, the Evinrude he said was rebuilt in his shop, top to bottom before being installed. It is in better condition than what I thought it would be for the price. He says it has a kevlar keel guard on it as well by the way. The upholstery is toast, but with a good wash and wax, I think it will look very good. The gelcoat on the interior and the floor is in better shape than my 1987, I'm really interested in looking at the bottom. The area by the gas tank filler has 2 cracks, he said the tank is half full and has 2 year old gas in it, with stabilizers. What are your thoughts on a value for the hull alone? Where do I find the serial number on this boat? It appears to be red under the paint, maybe Coast Guard. It doesn't have a forward floor locker, the forward area is different from other Guardians or Outrages, all rounded and smooth. The gunwales seem narrower and it has regular stainless steel rails. Will it measure 18'6" and 7'2" with a tape on the top sides, or are those numbers from some other area? http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/3952594 Thanks, Don
elvis	posted 07-18-2014 05:09 AM ET (US) Hyperlink: http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/3952594
Dave Sutton	posted 07-18-2014 08:08 AM ET (US) Red usually means a fire department boat, which would be a typical application for one of these. Generally they sit and aren't run all that much in typical fire department use. Interesting that the engines were pulled, as generally they are low hours when sold surplus, but every one is an individual. Good boats. Dave .
jimh	posted 07-18-2014 08:21 AM ET (US) quote: The upholstery is toast. "Toast" is an unfortunate descriptor. "Toast" is a color name. Do you mean the upholstery is a certain color or that its condition is poor? The location of the Hull Identification Number should be on the transom, as described in the FAQ. See http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q2 Since the hull has been painted, the stencil number may have been painted over. The greatest concern I would have about this boat is the painted-over gel coat finish. In the long run I think maintaining the hull cosmetic appearance may be a lot of work. Two-year-old gasoline that has been properly stabilized can still be good, but it may depend on the climate where it was stored. As for value assessment, take the asking price, and deduct from it the value of the engine, the rigging, any accessories like railings, console, seats, ice chests, or similar, and any included gear, such as lines, fenders, radios, electronics, engine rigging, steering, and so on. This should give you the asking price of the hull alone.
Don SSDD	posted 07-18-2014 02:34 PM ET (US) Thanks all. I got some numbers, the plate at the stern, riveted on the starboard side is impossible to read. There is a metal plate on the inside, lower starboard side, just ahead of the console, it reads BWC6935EC191, which I interpret to read March 1991 and the serial number. It has no floor anchor locker up front. The red on the exterior hull where the paint is worn off, hard to say, it could be primer? The outboard is an Evinrude E140TXERR, which makes it a 1994 140HP with electric start and trim and tilt. Serial #G03549965. I'm will be having a serious look at it tomorrow with a boater friend. It has a black dot by the Whaler logo.--Don
jimh	posted 07-18-2014 03:49 PM ET (US) If you read the FAQ on hull identification, then you know the significance of the color gel coat dot by the logo.
Don SSDD	posted 07-18-2014 04:52 PM ET (US) They [who?--jimh] don't mention a red hull, so I assume it means it would have the grey gelcoat hull under the paint. In commercial, could you order any colour and configuration?
jimh	posted 07-18-2014 11:16 PM ET (US) Boston Whaler used to have a separate product group called CGP for Commerical and Government Products. If you ordered a boat from CGP you could probably order it with almost any configuration you wanted, and I assume that would include the gel coat color. I believe Haze Gray was the standard commerical hull gel coat color. I think it was also possible to order a boat from a regular recreational boat dealer and get the hull layup with a heavier schedule, which is what the color dot indicates. A boat like that would be a regular recreational model, but just have a hull with the "work boat" layup. It shouldn't be too hard to determine the hull's original gel coat color. A little probing in an inconspicuous area should permit excavating the various layers until you hit gel coat.
Don SSDD	posted 07-25-2014 08:21 PM ET (US) Well I bought it and motored home in it today, it works fine. It is a red gelcoat under the paint, it would have been a Cdn Coast Guard vessel I would guess. I've seen one other Whaler with the red hull. The engine ran fine, I added fresh fuel and plan on using the old fuel up as quickly as possible. It starts easily and runs very smoothly, much smoother than the 90 Merc 3 cylinder, which idles roughly, I assume a V4 is smoother than a 3 cylinder. Thanks for the input and help. Don