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Up-sizing to REVENGE 25
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| Author | Topic: Up-sizing to REVENGE 25 |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-23-2014 08:01 PM ET (US)  
Well, I think my wife has given me the OK to upgrade our whaler to a larger model. I have had a '69 13 footer and now have a '74 Newport. We have a family of four and my kids keep growing. What everyone wants. Wife - somewhere to go to the bathroom. Daughter - Fishing. Son - somewhere to get out of the sun and play video games. Me - a classic that will be around for many years to come and use close to year round here in NJ...through high school years, college years, and retirement years ???. I am thinking about a 1989,90,91 25' Revenge. Any other ideas? I was tempted by 1998 1999 21' Conquest, but I really love the Classic Whaler look. In order to invest in an older whaler, hull would have to be close to flawless condition and the power would have to be modern and reliable. My wife gave me the OK to spend somewhere in the vicinity of $15,000. Looking for thoughts and if this is doable? Thinking a fresh water boat would be in the condition im looking for and would have to be a classic whaler lover like me. Thanks all in advance for your responses. |
| Jeff |
posted 10-23-2014 08:20 PM ET (US)
Do you need an enclosed head? If so, then you are going to need something larger. If a standard porti-potty works then a 22 Revenge, 22 Revenge Walkthrough and 25 Revenge Walkthrough have nearly the exact same cabin space and a porti-potty. The 22 Revenge has more head room inside than the Walkthrough models. The standard 25 Revenge has a bigger cabin but those are though to find and ones good condition are even rarer. All real nice condition 25 Revenges will be priced above $15,000...Also, any bristol condition 25 Revenge Walkthrough and most bristol condition 22 Revenge Walkthroughs will likely be above $15,000. If you have to stay in the $15,000 Range, need cabin space, a porti-potty and are looking for a nice freshwater boat....this 22 Revenge in Northern Mi sounds like it is right up your alley. It looks very clean and cared for, it has lots of canvas, is freshwater exclusive and has fuel injected twin's on it. It looks perfectly turn key to me. All for $15,000....but I would imagine it could be had for 12ish.... http://www.boattrader.com/listing/ 1980-Boston-Whaler-Revenge-22-102299894 |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-23-2014 08:50 PM ET (US)
Yes, I saw that one. I guess my next question would be, if I do find a whaler that I like, and its half way across the country, how do I know what I am purchasing without personally flying out there to check it myself. Survey? How can I trust? |
| Sourpuss1 |
posted 10-23-2014 08:55 PM ET (US)
A Survey would be your first move. If it surveys well, then a personal visit. That boat seems very fairly priced. Pete |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-23-2014 08:55 PM ET (US)
here is a 25 I was looking at too. the cabin looks larger than the 22. http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Boston-Whaler-Revenge-25/164781381#.VEmZvnHD_4g |
| Jeff |
posted 10-23-2014 09:14 PM ET (US)
That 25 Revenge is an old salt boat with older salt power. It looks like it is rough around the edges in the photos and likely those small images would be hiding a lot more sins. The cabin is a bit roomier in the 25 Revenge, but the actual sleeping bunks as the same as the 22. For the one located in Michigan, it is a very respected and long time Boston Whaler Dealer. I would be willing deal with a surveyor they know of, our there are a lot of surveyors in the Traverse City Mi Area of Michigan as well. You just need to find one that really knows Whalers. If you can not locate one on the S.A.M.S. site, you could call Irish Boat Shop in Northern Michigan and for a recommendation of a good "Whaler" surveyor in Northern Michigan. Irish is another long standing Boston Whaler dealer in Northern Mi who I am sure has a lot of people they could put you in touch with. Likely someone in their shop. That way you are sure of get an unbiased opinion of the boat. Surveyor Locator: First Hit for Mi is someone right in Bellaire Mi.. |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-23-2014 09:29 PM ET (US)
jeff - http://www.boattrader.com/listing/ 1980-Boston-Whaler-Revenge-22-102299894 is the 22 revenge that you say has the same amount of cabin space as the 22 & 25 WT? just want to make sure im looking for the right model. I am fine with a 22 if it will get me approximately the same cabin space as a 25. what years was the 22 revenge made up until 90? where do you think the best possibility of getting a freshwater boat is? michigan? big whaler following there? thanks. Matt. |
| Jeff |
posted 10-23-2014 09:44 PM ET (US)
No, the cabin is the 25 is a little taller at the back and a 18" or so deeper. So it has more volume. However, the bunks and "sleeping space" are exactly the same size in both the 22 and 25. To me, the extra space in the 25 is not something you are going to feel like you are sacrificing if you went with a 22 if you are only using the boat for Day cruising. If you are planning long cruising trips then a 25 might provide a little extra space... Yes, The great lakes in general are going to provide you with the best preserved whalers. The short season and freshwater really can keep these boats in superb condition for many decades. Here are images of a 22 Revenge I surveyed for myself here in Michigan a could years ago. It can give you a sense of the space in the boat's cabin. http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/bostonwhalerforsale/library/ 1983%2022%20Revenge?sort=3&page=1 |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-23-2014 09:58 PM ET (US)
I would be looking to do over-nighters here in the Manasquan River / Barnegat bay. looking for a boat that can handle the ocean 10 miles north and south of the Manasquan inlet and a couple miles off shore. would be nice to get a hull with no bottom paint too. what do you think is the best way to find a boat in the great lakes region? just surfing the web? broker? |
| Jeff |
posted 10-23-2014 10:55 PM ET (US)
quote: I would check these search links I use for "Boston Whaler" a couple times a week. I set them for search outbound from two different locations... Your best bet outside of that, honestly, probably Me. I routinely search local craigslists around here (the Great Lakes) as well as most listing sites. I search these a number of times a week, if not a day. I have found specific Whalers for a number of people and members here on CW. I also do it for all cross the nation as well. Also, while I am not an accredited surveyor...I have inspected local Whalers for people. I have an extensive inspection routine I do. Infact I have found and I am inspecting an 18 Outrage here in Detroit on Sunday for a CW member who lives in California. The Check-list I created and use as my go bye
I also run a group on Facebook where I and others post Whaler Finds from across the inter-webs and discuss them. Many people in the group are from here on CW. BTW, There is this 25 Revenge in Maryland. Most do not like I/O's, but I do. It would just need to be inspected by a really knowledgable Mercruiser Certified Mechanic. |
| jimh |
posted 10-24-2014 01:11 AM ET (US)
The cabin superstructure on the REVENGE Walk-Through 20, 22, and 25 is the same size. The 25-foot hull has a wider beam, and it will have wider gunwales than the 20 and 22. We have slept--very comfortably--in the vee-berth of the cabin of our REVENGE 22 for probably more than 200 nights. |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-24-2014 04:44 AM ET (US)
Just a quick FYI. I am 6'3''. Still roomy enough on the 22? |
| jimh |
posted 10-24-2014 08:33 AM ET (US)
The berths are about 7-feet long. The cabin is a cuddy cabin. There is limited headroom. There may be more headroom in a 25 than in a 22 because the hull is deeper. With a 25-foot hull, you should consider twin power, while on a 22-foot hull a single is the norm. A Revenge 22 on a trailer can typically be towed by a half-ton rated truck. A Revenge 25 on a trailer is more likely to need a three-quarter-ton rated towing vehicle. |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-24-2014 09:45 AM ET (US)
Are there any benefits to going with a later model of the [Boston Whaler REVENGE], c.1980 versus c.1990? [Were there] improvements to fiberglass? |
| jimh |
posted 10-24-2014 05:27 PM ET (US)
The benefit to buying a c.1990 Boston Whaler REVENGE compared to a c.1980 boat: --a ten-year-newer boat --refinements in some details --changes in design that evolved over the production period Regarding the fiberglass, I do not know of any systemic changes in the formulation of the resins and cloths used to make the laminate portions of the Boston Whaler boats in the period 1980 to 1990. In the case of the REVENGE in particular, I think all REVENGE boats were made in Rockland, Massachusetts, at Boston Whaler's plant there. I don't think any were built in Florida. |
| martyn1075 |
posted 10-24-2014 07:09 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler installed upgraded fuel line hoses after 1987 but it wouldn't matter so much at this point as they are still old enough to be on their way out which includes the tank and all its fittings as well. However when I sold my 1990 25 Walkaround it had the original tank and fuel lines and they were showing some age but not one leak or issue that could be determined they needed to be replaced. Not bad for a 24 year old boat. I bet the new owner may easily get many more years with proper care to the system. I know for a fact that it never once used E10 fuel. I believe that to be important factor. |
| Frogrock |
posted 10-28-2014 11:01 PM ET (US)
I have a 1986 Revenge 25 W-T and absolutely love it. It does not need twin engines. It does just fine with my 2005 225 Yamaha 4 stroke. I paid $18,000 for it a few years ago, and it only had 30 hours on it. The hull was in good condition. I had some concerns with the hull, but I was able to get them fixed rather easily. I replaced all of the fuel line. It was not hard to do. It handles really well. The only problem I have is trying to get out of the gas station or launch. I always get comments about it. I put updated electronics on it. I added some canvas. My family travels to the San Juan Islands in Washington State and farther north every year for a week or so. If I had to sell it today, I think I would get the same price for what I bought it for and probably more. |
| macfam |
posted 10-29-2014 07:27 AM ET (US)
I agree with everything Frogrock mentioned. The 25' Revenge WT handles very predictably, and an awesome rough water boat. We had a 1988 model with a 250 Yamaha (OX66 2-stroke) We never wanted for more power. It was a great match. Jimh, recommends twins, and there are many of these hulls that have them, but in my opinion twins are not necessary. If we still had it, I would consider repowering with a 250-300 E-TEC, or Yamaha 4-stroke. I think overall, a large single will be more cost effective over time, and simpler to maintain. One addition: if the hull does not have trim tabs, I would add them. It made a world of difference and improved handling even more. |
| jimh |
posted 10-29-2014 11:21 AM ET (US)
MACFARM writes:
quote: What I actually said:
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| Frogrock |
posted 10-29-2014 03:19 PM ET (US)
When I fish, I usually troll for salmon on my 25' Revenge. Last year I was able to put a 9.9 Yamaha kicker motor on the transom without a bracket. It fits nicely. With twin power, I would not be able to do that. |
| macfam |
posted 10-29-2014 07:29 PM ET (US)
jimh, You're absolutely correct. I didn't mean to misquote you as I was making my point regarding twins vs. single power. |
| jimh |
posted 10-30-2014 01:19 AM ET (US)
I also wrote about twin versus single in this lively discussion: Twin 150-HP: A Thing of the Past |
| cvyarb |
posted 10-30-2014 05:28 PM ET (US)
69Whaler, I think your needs may be better met by a classic 27foot hull, like the full cabin version. I am obviously partial to it, but the requirements you mentioned are tailored to it; fishing, a cabin (barely) large enough for your son to sit in for extended periods, and a boat that you can overnight on. In my experience, and as has been mentioned here before by others, the 27 footers can be had at a real bargain. I have seen several over the years in the 12-15k range, and many five or so thousand above that. Either way, good luck. |
| cvyarb |
posted 10-30-2014 07:52 PM ET (US)
In my haste I worded that incorrectly--I meant, Whaler69, have you considered the 27 foot hull? |
| 69whaler |
posted 10-31-2014 10:15 AM ET (US)
27'? May be cheaper up front, but yearly costs would catch up fast. Fuel, dockage, storage, maintenance. |
| Frogrock |
posted 10-31-2014 08:02 PM ET (US)
You might look at this one: http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Boston-Whaler-Revenge-25/164781381#.VEmZvnHD_4g. It has a practically brand new motor. Mine had only 30 hours on it when I bought my Revenge and that gave me peace of mind. This one has similarly low mileage,but this one is a little bit bigger at 250hp. The asking price is more than $15,000, but you might convince the wife that a new reliable motor is a "safety" feature. It works for me every time. The asking price is $28,000, but who knows what the owner will take. |
| 69whaler |
posted 11-02-2014 03:07 PM ET (US)
Jeff, this one continues to spark my interest. I emailed the marina to see if she's still avail. Do you know of anyone near this Marina that can get a good visual? Like I said in a previous post, would have to be near perfect to make an offer on 1980 hull. Also to travel from NJ to make a final inspection. Thanks for your help. Appreciated.
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| 69whaler |
posted 11-07-2014 06:06 PM ET (US)
[Changed topic. Asked for repair advice. I moved this new topic on repairs to the REPAIRS/MODS discussion. Please see that new thread for your new topic--jimh.] |
| Bulldog |
posted 11-13-2014 07:46 PM ET (US)
One thing that really stands out between the older Revenge models and the newer W/T Revenge(walk through) is the access to the bow, the newer boats have a real nice designed sliding ladder and walk through windshield to allow you to anchor safely in most all conditions. The design allows me to quickly move forward to anchor, and with kids the railing gives a much more secure area on top of the cabin. I have a 1987 20' revenge W/T with twins and still love it! Don't worry too much about the fuel lines, I redid all my hoses and it was not that much work. I did travel to Michigan to get it from a kind older gentleman, who maintained her to high standard........Jack |
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