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Conchyjodyoos posted 04-20-2015 12:48 PM ET (US)   Profile for Conchyjodyoos   Send Email to Conchyjodyoos  
Hello. I own an OUTRAGE 22. I'm thinking of buying a 16-foot to 17-foot Boston Whale rboat for a tender to a larger sport fish. I'll be towing the boat. How does the performance of older 16-foot boats compare to later model 17-foot boats? Do the 16-foot boats ride harder?
dfmcintyre posted 04-20-2015 01:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Ride same, but the 16-foot is hull considerably wetter; it lacks the anti-spray strake just under the bow that many call the "smirk." "How much wetter?", some have asked. You don't need a mask and snorkel but you'll want a towel after running into the wind on a choppy day. Regards - Don
jcdawg83 posted 04-20-2015 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for jcdawg83    
The pre-smirk 16 and 17 Whalers were notoriously wet. Starting around 1976 or 1977 the "smirk" hull arrived and the boats were much, much drier riding.
martyn1075 posted 04-21-2015 03:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
They will both rattle your bones. However they are great and safe as long as the driver is responsible. As a tender would be nice boat but this depends on how and where you fish.
jcdawg83 posted 04-21-2015 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jcdawg83    
I've had experience with at least a half dozen 16-foot and 17-foot center console boats of varying makes. I can say without hesitation the classic Montauk 17 is the driest I have been in. The traditional V-hull center consoles are probably the wettest. The V-hull allows water to be forced up the hull and blown into the cockpit when going into the wind or especially into a quartering wind off the bow.

No 17-foot boat is going to be confused with an Outrage 22 in terms of ride, but the Whaler hull will give a reasonably smooth, dry ride in most conditions. The main drawback to a small Whaler is the lack of storage space. The smaller Whaler hulls not being truly self bailing is another drawback. While there is no danger of the Whaler sinking, having to get in a boat with water in the stern can be less than ideal.

Conchyjodyoos posted 04-21-2015 11:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for Conchyjodyoos  Send Email to Conchyjodyoos     
Thanks for the responses. I love my Boston Whaler OURAGE 22 with its smooth, dry ride but it's just too big to tow behind my 36-foot Hatteras. My buddy has a nice 13 with a four-cycle 40 for sale, but I think a 17 would be more comfortable for two adults and two pups. I found a non-smirk 17 close by for a good price but no way I'm buying a wet boat. I'm tempted to find a worn, later-model 17 hull-only, tow to the Bahamas and import it cheap, then buy a new Yamaha enduro tiller 60 in Marsh Harbor for $5,000. I've run the tiller 17's out there before, no frills but bullet proof and stupid simple. I could always off-load it to a Bahamian since it would be duty paid. The wife however wants a steering wheel: decisions.
Teak Oil posted 04-21-2015 12:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
If you want a museum piece, get a pre smirk, but if you want something functional definitely get a later model 17. I had a Montauk before my Outrage and it was very dry. Not smooth, but dry.
martyn1075 posted 04-21-2015 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Adding to where you fish comment, a stiff chop may hinder where you go and yes you will get wet. Sometimes it is just hard to get to the fishing grounds. Maybe the OUTRAGE 18 might be a better choice. It is heavier, yes, but not nearly as heavy as the OUTRAGE 22. It seems to be able to handle choppy stuff with a lot more comfort and safety.
jimh posted 04-21-2015 01:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
To find a Boston Whaler 16-foot hull without the smirk means finding one made before 1976. That means buying a 40-year-old or older boat. Good luck.
PeteB88 posted 04-29-2015 01:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
I'm not the most experienced Whaler owner/capt but I can say for sure my 95 Outrage 17, which I run the guts out of on Lake Mich, often snotty, with lots of wind at times, big motoryacht wakes is surprisingly dry. IN fact, I've never had one complaint and wet ride never seems to be an issue. If I have people up front I just throttle up to "pick up" the bow to this nice, sweet plane and never, ever had an issue. Lake Mich can suck, even coming in close to the surf and attempting to anchor up close to the beach has never been a problem. One time last fall I was sure we were going to get wet going out to tow my buddy's cat to boat ramp but not a drop - Nasty waves coming in straight in from the west, windy, my buddy's Super Cat hull half buried on the beach next to Muskegon, late October. Actually the last chance to get it off the beach. So Ellen and I took him out (he had full dry suit and PFD), played the surf and got him as close as possible, sketchy conditions. After multiple approaches trying get him in as close as possible, I him sit on the starboard quarter, feet on the platform and got him to about waist deep (big waves had me worried about diggin in the skeg)and told him "Bail out NOW!!!" he went over the side waist deep, got to shore. Then we had to get a line to him and take the Super Cat under tow. He got it dug out, pushed it into the surf I swooped back in, Ellen at the helm and heaved the tow line, he caught it, we held the Outrage into the waves and got the tow and pulled him off. Dang cool - not a drop!! Got back to the channel. Actually the Coasties came out to take a look. We were the only boat out, we pulled it off, not a drop. Fun.
EJO posted 04-29-2015 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for EJO  Send Email to EJO     
The wetness most likely comes from spray not the waves itself even in my 150 Montauk, it is dry except the occasional spray from a break through wave on snotty Lake Michigan.
msirof2001 posted 04-29-2015 01:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for msirof2001  Send Email to msirof2001     
I was looking at the 1995 Outrage 17 when I bought my Outrage 21 and I was thoroughly impressed with the 17. It is a little small for the great distances on the ocean that I constantly travel. But I would say that for the purposes the original poster described, if it were me, I would try to find a circa 1995 Outrage 17.
PeteB88 posted 04-30-2015 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Spray goes down or sideways, w/ my boat - not even an issue even w/ cross wind. I'll try this summer for sure to see if I can get people wet. Never had one come over the bow - not had her out in those potentials. A couple times I was surprised that we took some spray over port side - had fender over the side forgot to pull it in.
Spuds posted 05-07-2015 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Spuds    
Why not consider an 18 Outrage? Still easy to tow. Only requires a single axle trailer.

Nearly twice the boat, performance wise, of a Montauk.

How much do you want for your Outrage 22?

17 bodega posted 05-09-2015 03:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for 17 bodega  Send Email to 17 bodega     
I think some clarification should be made. Outrage 17 is a way heavier hull than the Montauk 16'7" hull, and the non smirk, pre 1976 hull is lighter yet.

I have been fishing the pre 1976 hull for [more than] 10 years in very snotty rough seas, and the boat is plenty wet, and quite uncomfortable in some situations. I agree with some of the statements above about the smirked post-1976 hull being less wet but not significantly. It does have a flatter bottom which makes heading into chop a rougher ride, but no hull, in my opinion, surfs a following sea better. This boat is a surfboard! The other difference is the smirk-less 16 is more stable laterally--it does not roll to the beams as much--as the smirked hull. There is basically no free lunch in boat design as there [isn't] in automobile and aircraft, or any modern feat of engineering. Boats that have a very deep vee can plow through a heavier sea dry but it will roll more in the waves and can have problems in a following sea. The flatter bottoms are very stable on the water and laterally, but you will feel all of the sea when in choppy conditions.

Having said all that, I think the best all around Boston Whaler hull is the smirked 16'7". The Swiss Army knife of all fishing, diving, and work boats.

My smirk-less is so light that a 50-HP four-stroke engine is the ultimate combination. It suits my needs perfectly.

Steve

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