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jimh posted 06-11-2015 04:39 PM ET (US)
A June 9, 2015 article in the New York Times
Marco Rubio’s Career Bedeviled by Financial Struggles
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/ marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html
says the politically ambitious gentleman "splurged on an extravagant purchase: $80,000 for a luxury speedboat..."
An article on the website POLITICO.COM reveals the boat. It turns out the "luxury speedboat" was a 24-foot Edgewater 245 Center Console with twin 150-HP Yamaha four-cycle-power-stroke outboard engines. See
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/06/ rubios-luxury-speedboat-is-a-fishing-boat-208515.html
With such close scrutiny of his spending, perhaps Mr. Rubio was fortunate he did not get a Boston Whaler $370,00 320 VANTAGE or maybe a 420 OUTRAGE for $750,000. Imagine the what the wordsmiths at the New York Times would have done with that sort of purchase.
msirof2001 posted 06-11-2015 05:01 PM ET (US)
21 years ago, I could barely afford my 1995 Outrage 21 but it was my dream and looking back, I would do it all over again. You can't put a value on the great life experiences. Except if I had to do it all over again, maybe I would have gotten the 1995 Outrage 24. I would have survived. If the boat was $80,000 after a 15% down payment, you're at $68,000 financed. At 6.99% for 180 months, you're just short of $611/month. Yeah, there is tax, insurance, BoatUS, fuel and all that. But I would say that was a very sensible purchase, getting a lot of boat. Not lavish at all. He should be able to dream as much as enybody else. I see the media is still in the business of scaring the best and brightest out of public servant positions. I hope Mr. Rubio enjoys his boat.
Don SSDD posted 06-11-2015 05:29 PM ET (US)
Hmmmm, would they have remarked if it had been a Cadillac Escalade, etc., which can cost $80,000. 4 door pickups run $40-75k, but how many of them are there in NY? $80,000 ain't what it used to be.
I think an Edgewater is a nice boat, but I wouldn't buy a boat for $80K.
Don
jhomeist posted 06-12-2015 08:00 AM ET (US)
My thoughts on this ridiculous reporting are summarized on this link: http:/ / www. weaselzippers. us/ 226034-fun-fact-of-the-day-john-kerrys- yacht-is-87-times-more-expensive-and-over-3-times-the-size-of-rubios-lux ury-speedboat/ . Hope this is too political for CWave.
jhomeist posted 06-12-2015 08:02 AM ET (US)
Sorry, hope this ISN'T too political for CW!
Hoosier posted 06-12-2015 11:35 AM ET (US)
To inject some technical fodder to this discussion: don't you think that the boat is underpowered with two Yamaha F-150s? I would expect at least twin 200s on that boat.
msirof2001 posted 06-12-2015 12:22 PM ET (US)
Hoosier- From EWBOATS.COM (Edgewater's website):
Edgewater 245CC w/ Yamaha Twin 150
RPM MPH GPH MPG
1000 5.3 1.5 3.53
1500 7.2 2.6 2.77
2000 9 4.2 2.14
2500 12.1 6.5 2.6
3000 21.3 8.2 2.6
3500 27.9 10.1 2.76
4000 33 13.1 2.52
4500 38.3 17 2.25
5000 43.3 20.8 2.08
5500 48.5 28.5 1.7
6000 51.6 32.5 1.59
Edgewater 245CC w/ Yamaha Twin 200 (4-Cyl XB)
RPM MPH GPH MPG
1000 5.5 1.6 3.41
1500 7.6 2.7 2.81
2000 9.3 4.7 1.97
2500 14.7 6.5 2.26
3000 23.5 8.3 2.83
3500 28.8 10.8 2.66
4000 34.5 14.2 2.44
4500 39.8 18.6 2.14
5000 44.3 25.7 1.72
5500 48.3 35.2 1.37
6000 54.1 39.8 1.36
Both look decent. I would probably lean to the 200 but the 150 also looks great.
frontier posted 06-12-2015 01:00 PM ET (US)
Someone mentioned the $750,000 420 Outrage.
Loose change for Hillary Clinton. In fact she could buy that as a dinghy for the yacht she could afford.
Hoosier posted 06-12-2015 08:58 PM ET (US)
Those are interesting performance numbers. Looks like the extra 100 hp with twin 200s doesn't get you much except increased fuel consumption.
dfmcintyre posted 06-12-2015 09:11 PM ET (US)
Hoosier -
Was interesting to see at the 3000 range, the larger engined version gave better mpg....
jimh posted 06-13-2015 11:03 AM ET (US)
I look at the situation with a 24-foot center console boat being called a "luxury yacht" like this: if the boat is something I could afford, then it certainly could not be a luxury yacht. I could afford a 24-foot center console, but not a new one--these days all new boats are too expensive for me.
frontier posted 06-13-2015 12:03 PM ET (US)
Many of us are in the same boat (pardon the pun) as jimh. Used boats are what we can afford.
A new, well equipped Montauk 170 with a kicker motor is close to $40K nowadays.
So a used, excellent-to-pristine-condition, classic 17 Whaler at $14K to $18K is a very good value.
jimh posted 06-13-2015 02:29 PM ET (US)
As a corollary to what I said about the definition of a luxury yacht being incompatible with any boat I could afford to own, I also offer this observation:
I knew the Detroit Yacht Club was getting desperate for members when they invited me to join.

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Author	Topic: EDGEWATER CC Becomes "Luxury Speedboat" in NYT Politics
jimh	posted 06-11-2015 04:39 PM ET (US) A June 9, 2015 article in the New York Times Marco Rubio’s Career Bedeviled by Financial Struggles http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/us/politics/ marco-rubio-finances-debt-loans-credit.html says the politically ambitious gentleman "splurged on an extravagant purchase: $80,000 for a luxury speedboat..." An article on the website POLITICO.COM reveals the boat. It turns out the "luxury speedboat" was a 24-foot Edgewater 245 Center Console with twin 150-HP Yamaha four-cycle-power-stroke outboard engines. See http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/06/ rubios-luxury-speedboat-is-a-fishing-boat-208515.html With such close scrutiny of his spending, perhaps Mr. Rubio was fortunate he did not get a Boston Whaler $370,00 320 VANTAGE or maybe a 420 OUTRAGE for $750,000. Imagine the what the wordsmiths at the New York Times would have done with that sort of purchase.
msirof2001	posted 06-11-2015 05:01 PM ET (US) 21 years ago, I could barely afford my 1995 Outrage 21 but it was my dream and looking back, I would do it all over again. You can't put a value on the great life experiences. Except if I had to do it all over again, maybe I would have gotten the 1995 Outrage 24. I would have survived. If the boat was $80,000 after a 15% down payment, you're at $68,000 financed. At 6.99% for 180 months, you're just short of $611/month. Yeah, there is tax, insurance, BoatUS, fuel and all that. But I would say that was a very sensible purchase, getting a lot of boat. Not lavish at all. He should be able to dream as much as enybody else. I see the media is still in the business of scaring the best and brightest out of public servant positions. I hope Mr. Rubio enjoys his boat.
Don SSDD	posted 06-11-2015 05:29 PM ET (US) Hmmmm, would they have remarked if it had been a Cadillac Escalade, etc., which can cost $80,000. 4 door pickups run $40-75k, but how many of them are there in NY? $80,000 ain't what it used to be. I think an Edgewater is a nice boat, but I wouldn't buy a boat for $80K. Don
jhomeist	posted 06-12-2015 08:00 AM ET (US) My thoughts on this ridiculous reporting are summarized on this link: http:/ / www. weaselzippers. us/ 226034-fun-fact-of-the-day-john-kerrys- yacht-is-87-times-more-expensive-and-over-3-times-the-size-of-rubios-lux ury-speedboat/ . Hope this is too political for CWave.
jhomeist	posted 06-12-2015 08:02 AM ET (US) Sorry, hope this ISN'T too political for CW!
Hoosier	posted 06-12-2015 11:35 AM ET (US) To inject some technical fodder to this discussion: don't you think that the boat is underpowered with two Yamaha F-150s? I would expect at least twin 200s on that boat.
msirof2001	posted 06-12-2015 12:22 PM ET (US) Hoosier- From EWBOATS.COM (Edgewater's website): Edgewater 245CC w/ Yamaha Twin 150 RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.3 1.5 3.53 1500 7.2 2.6 2.77 2000 9 4.2 2.14 2500 12.1 6.5 2.6 3000 21.3 8.2 2.6 3500 27.9 10.1 2.76 4000 33 13.1 2.52 4500 38.3 17 2.25 5000 43.3 20.8 2.08 5500 48.5 28.5 1.7 6000 51.6 32.5 1.59 Edgewater 245CC w/ Yamaha Twin 200 (4-Cyl XB) RPM MPH GPH MPG 1000 5.5 1.6 3.41 1500 7.6 2.7 2.81 2000 9.3 4.7 1.97 2500 14.7 6.5 2.26 3000 23.5 8.3 2.83 3500 28.8 10.8 2.66 4000 34.5 14.2 2.44 4500 39.8 18.6 2.14 5000 44.3 25.7 1.72 5500 48.3 35.2 1.37 6000 54.1 39.8 1.36 Both look decent. I would probably lean to the 200 but the 150 also looks great.
frontier	posted 06-12-2015 01:00 PM ET (US) Someone mentioned the $750,000 420 Outrage. Loose change for Hillary Clinton. In fact she could buy that as a dinghy for the yacht she could afford.
Hoosier	posted 06-12-2015 08:58 PM ET (US) Those are interesting performance numbers. Looks like the extra 100 hp with twin 200s doesn't get you much except increased fuel consumption.
dfmcintyre	posted 06-12-2015 09:11 PM ET (US) Hoosier - Was interesting to see at the 3000 range, the larger engined version gave better mpg....
jimh	posted 06-13-2015 11:03 AM ET (US) I look at the situation with a 24-foot center console boat being called a "luxury yacht" like this: if the boat is something I could afford, then it certainly could not be a luxury yacht. I could afford a 24-foot center console, but not a new one--these days all new boats are too expensive for me.
frontier	posted 06-13-2015 12:03 PM ET (US) Many of us are in the same boat (pardon the pun) as jimh. Used boats are what we can afford. A new, well equipped Montauk 170 with a kicker motor is close to $40K nowadays. So a used, excellent-to-pristine-condition, classic 17 Whaler at $14K to $18K is a very good value.
jimh	posted 06-13-2015 02:29 PM ET (US) As a corollary to what I said about the definition of a luxury yacht being incompatible with any boat I could afford to own, I also offer this observation: I knew the Detroit Yacht Club was getting desperate for members when they invited me to join.