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andrey320 posted 07-15-2015 07:21 PM ET (US)   Profile for andrey320   Send Email to andrey320  
Hello fellow Whalerinos!
After owning my Dauntless 15 for 5 years as my first boat, I am “deeply entrenched” in boating and fishing. For this, I am eternally grateful for and indebted to my Whaler. However, as many of us experience, I’ve been getting the “two-foot-itis” again and am looking at what’s out there. I am almost embarrassed to ask you all to compare another boat to a Whaler but I know that most here are very knowledgeable, level-headed boaters that will set me straight.

Here is my dilemma – I love my boat but sometimes feel like I would enjoy the water more with a slightly bigger boat. I am a big believer of not getting more than you need and being happy with what you’ve got. My 15 is a great boat for me because I can park it inside my townhome garage, tow it behind my Crown Victoria, handle it easily on my own, take it to the islands when the weather is good, it is cheap and easy to run and maintain, plus many other reasons. It is not so great because I feel like it is the perfect one man fishing machine. That is putting it nicely…. I often shy away from bringing others fishing with me because the boat is perfect for me but feels cramped with two fisherman. Or maybe I shy away from bringing others because I want to be alone…. That’s beside the point. The two main negatives I see in my Whaler are – just a little too small and could handle rough water better.

All my boating is done in the Southern California near-shore / local islands waters. The islands (Catalina, Anacapa, Santa Cruz - 13 to 25 miles away) are the place to go here. I would LOVE to get a brand new Whaler but a new Outrage is very pricey and I have to get the Merc with it. For about half the price (~30K), I can get a Dusky 17 which looks like it has the things I am looking for. Sharp entry with a 20 degree deadrise and the engine on a bracket seems like it would be just what I need without being too expensive or too big. The alternative would be a used 18/19 Outrage for me to repower. I am looking at my next boat search as a long term thing and enjoying the process.
Here is a link to the Dusky 17 - http://www.dusky.com/boat/open-models/dusky-17-open-fisherman

Any input?
Thank you!

andrey320 posted 07-15-2015 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for andrey320  Send Email to andrey320     
Another local option - http://www.robalo.com/Robalo-Boat.php?id=207&action=tab_highlights
contender posted 07-15-2015 08:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Unless you really want new, I think for $15000. you can find a nicer use boat to fit your needs. Dusky is made here in Ft Lauderdale, as a matter of fact the owner lives 4 houses from me. I just feel that you have a lot of other boats out there that are much better than purchasing a new Dusky or Robalo...good luck to you ps just do some hard looking and remember cash is king...
msirof2001 posted 07-15-2015 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for msirof2001  Send Email to msirof2001     
I am everything you described in your original post. I am based in Newport Beach and have a 1995 OUTRAGE 21, repowered with a Yamaha F200 XB. This size 20-25 feet is perfect for the go-it-alone guy. I go to the islands all the time. Probably have done the Newport to Catalina crossing 250+ times. I go to the outer banks like the 181, 182, 209 and after the repower on a calm autumn day, plan to run to Cortes. I go to San Clemente Island and Santa Barbara Island which from Newport is 59 nautical miles. No problems at all. This size is perfect for fishing up to 4 comfortably but still easy to go it alone.

There are two people in So Cal that you should at least talk to. Gonzalo at West Coast Marine service in Costa Mesa is a Yamaha 5-star gold certified mechanic. He has an amazing shop, amazing following. He always has a bunch of boats for sale in front of his shop and many of them match what you are describing. He knows people and who has what boat and who is thinking of selling, etc. And he has serviced many of these for years. He is very practical/reasonable on pricing. The second one is John Siple at Johnston (might be Johnson) yacht sales in Newport Beach. He runs the Edgewater dealership. Again he has a lot of other brands (used). Most importantly, he is an old alligator who is a wealth of practical, valuable knowledge and is extremely connected. Both really great helpful people and it sounds like not too far from you.

masbama posted 07-15-2015 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for masbama  Send Email to masbama     
This?
http://seahuntboats.com/new25/boats/tritons/triton-188
onokai posted 07-16-2015 02:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for onokai  Send Email to onokai     
Just spend some time shopping for a used Whaler-18 thru a 21 footer.
I bought both my whalers in Dana point as there used to be a dealer there long ago and so-cal has many whalers for sale. I line about 13 hours north in Northern Cal near Eureka and when I needed a Whaler I just harbor hopped from Santa Barbara to San Diego by car until I found them. Bought one in 92 the other in 2007.
You should have no trouble finding one.Their is still a large whaler dealer in Newport (Shock Boats) so the old ones are still around there. Just get a Whaler with a Yamaha on it and be happy.
Shock put Yamahas on them until Whaler got bought then bought out Mecury(parent Company)
Mark
andrey320 posted 07-16-2015 11:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for andrey320  Send Email to andrey320     
Thank you all for your replies. It is nice to have some expert input on the matter.

Contender, why do say that I could do better? Quality?

Mark, if I haven't seen you out there yet, I'll come across you some day. (will keep an eye out for that awesome ride!)
I'm familiar with all the spots you mention and have been to most (on other's boats). Was at Catalina last Saturday and landed a really nice Yellowtail (20ish pound) on a lure in a boil right on the rocks! Thank you for the recommendation to talk to the local shops, I'll do that when I get closer to the day. Do you think a 17 or 18 Outrage is good enough for our waters?

Masbama, why Seahunt Triton 188?

Onokai, noted. I bought my Dauntless in Dana harbor and see the numerous Whalers here in the marinas up and down the coast.

All input is sincerely appreciated!

masbama posted 07-16-2015 03:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for masbama  Send Email to masbama     
Thought it may be what you are looking for
msirof2001 posted 07-16-2015 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for msirof2001  Send Email to msirof2001     
I definitely hope to see you out there. And congratulations on catching a 20 pound yellowtail so close to the rocks, and not getting rocked or kelped.

In 1992 through 1994, when I was seriously looking at boats and considering which one I could afford, I looked at the OUTRAGE 17 which had the Accutrack hull, the OUTRAGE 19, which had the older smirk style hull, and the OUTRAGE 21. I drooled over the 24 but couldn't afford it. I thought that the 17 would be fine for most Southern California fishing. The limiting factors being the smaller fuel tank size, the ability to hold fewer people, and fish fewer people comfortably, and the ability to maximize the bait tank size. I ended up settling on the 21. It was interesting because I thought the OUTRAGE 21, with fishing package number two which included this huge leaning post with an integrated 30 to 35 gallon bait tank was the smartest thing in the world. Little did I know the truth about Pacific Coast bait. Long story short, I put a scoop of anchovies and sardines in that tank, went straight to Catalina from Newport which is 26 nautical miles, to find half of them dead. I cannot stress enough how important it is to maximize the volume of water, and have proper circulation. I ended up ripping out that leaning post, and at first I had a Kodiak Pro flow 52 which weighed almost 500 pounds with water. It handled the bait very well but where I had to put it, it was too far to the stern and water would come up the scuppers, and if two or three people were fishing in the Stern, you were in 2 to 4 inches of water. I took that out, re-did the leaning post and put a Randy Wood Offshore 45 gallon bait tank. Randy now has a company called Bluewater Bait Systems. Do a search on his name and "bait", and you will find it. I would actually recommend whatever boat it is that can at least get you 35 gallons using a West Coast bait tank such as a Bluewater, or a Kodiak. So if the boat has to be a little bigger for that reason alone, it is totally worth it. Also, you cannot "Miami Vice" the bait. And that comes from pounding too hard either by going too fast, or being too small for the chop. So I like the 17 because it can handle a 35 gallon tank. It has a deep hull, and is a little better with the Southern California afternoon wind chop. I think the outrage 18 and 19 are a little bit flat for the chop that we have in Southern California. Have you considered an old smirk Outrage 22? Something prior to 1993? That is a perfect battle wagon for Southern California fishing. You know – in the fall and winter, the ocean is pretty calm and I would take a 17/18 just about anywhere. It's the spring and summer which are killer. It seems counterintuitive but I would rather be in a 10 foot swell with a 15 second duration rather than a 2 or 3 foot wind chop with a six second duration. So every day in the spring and summer after about 1 PM and lasting until about 10 PM, it can really be a nightmare. For me, when I am going points South and Southwest looking for tuna, that means I can be coming home for 30 to 50 miles with a two or 3 foot, 4-6 second wind chop on a 15 knot wind coming in at the 10 o'clock position, and when finally entering the harbor, I feel like I did 15 rounds with Floyd Mayweather and then got splashed by Shamu. So if the boat is smaller, you really have to plan it out so that you're coming home at the right hour, or the right direction if during the wrong hour. If I had to do it all over again today, I would be looking at pre-1993 outrage 22 or 25,or 1993 to 1997 outrage 21 or 24. Those would be optimal. The outrage 17/18/19 are definitely workable but you really need to plan ahead with regard to the chop. On a summer choppy day, I would probably rather be on the 17. If I were in the Newport/Dana point/Long Beach area I would probably stick to Yamaha as Gonzalo/West Coast Marine service is the major dealer/servicer and has a huge reputation. If you're up towards Santa Barbara/Ventura/Oxnard, I would probably lean towards Honda and use Marine specialties which owns the good service reputation in that area. They are based in Oxnard. Last summer, I caught a couple of bluefin tuna, and it was a remarkable feeling to have gone out alone, not on a party boat, and come back with those fish. Doing it myself, being captain/crew and passenger was the best feeling. For me, catching fish like that means coming home into the chop, and needing a lot of bait. So that was a huge factor in stretching myself personally to barely squeak out getting the 21. If you talk to Gonzalo and John in my above post, I think you'll get a lot of good feedback. I hope it all works for you and I hope, again, to see you out there. Best regards Mark

contender posted 07-16-2015 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
YES
andrey320 posted 07-20-2015 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for andrey320  Send Email to andrey320     
Thank you all for the input.
Mark, your advice is appreciated, I will consider the points when upgrading.

Although I feel like it would be good to have a bigger boat, I am a bit apprehensive because I won't be able to store it in my garage and I may need another tow vehicle.

I'll save, do research, and wait to grow out of my current boat.

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